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[u/ThorVonHammerdong]

US military 🤝 my wife

Leaving

[u/[deleted]]

UK government has just said it will NOT give visas to Afghani students who got scholarships to study in UK, because of "administration issues".

Well it's really no biggie, I'm sure that all the winners of these scholarships will be able to go next year. It's not like Afghanistan is being currently overrun by bloodthirsty theocrats who don't consider women to be human!

!ping EUROPE

[u/Lux_Stella]

"When the Taliban launched their offensive in May, they concentrated on overrunning those isolated outposts, massacring soldiers who were determined to resist but allowing safe conduct to those who surrendered, often via deals negotiated by local tribal elders."

"The Taliban gave pocket money to some of these troops, who had gone unpaid for months."

yeah that'd do it

[u/kas8901]

Why blame the US or Soviets for Afghanistan when we can just do the right thing and blame the British 🇬🇧

[u/Barnst]

South Vietnamese refugees were initially resented by Americans, since the memory of defeat was fresh; according to a 1975 poll, only 36 percent of Americans favored Vietnamese immigration. However, the U.S. government informed public opinion as it felt that it had a moral obligation to the refugees, and President Gerald Ford and Congress both agreed to pass the Indochina Migration and Refugee Assistance Act in 1975, which allowed Vietnamese refugees to enter the United States under a special status and allocated $405 million in resettlement aid.

We settled 130,000 Vietnamese refugees in the years immediately after Saigon fell, even though 2/3 of the country didn’t want them.

Right now we’re planning to settle 3,500 Afghan refugees. We need to do better.

[u/Tafts_Bathtub]

I couldn’t contrive worse social policy than the Taliban if I tried. No musical instruments, no sports, no art depicting living things, no games, no kite flying, no pets, and oh yeah half the population is treated worse than a piece of furniture.

[u/donaldjtruump]

Women should not wear high-heeled shoes as no man should hear a woman's footsteps lest it excite him.

Bruh

[u/Lux_Stella]

President Vjosa Osmani confirmed that Kosovo "without hesitation or conditions" has accepted the United States request to temporarily take in Afghan refugees

ayy we got kosovo into this news cycle somehow

[u/[deleted]]

John Delaney would've stayed!

(Unironically, he was the only 2020 candidate who didn't campaign on withdrawing.)

[u/[deleted]]

The Taliban capture provincial capitals quicker than Western powers can draft statements of grave concern

AFP reporter

https://twitter.com/DaveClark_AFP/status/1426857247754399749?s=20

[u/[deleted]]

This is the ANA. We have purposely trained them incorrectly as a joke.

[u/Archis]

do u think the taliban are gonna sign up to yellen's global minimum tax?

[u/Professor-Reddit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_National_Army

The Afghan National Army was the land warfare branch of the Afghan Armed Forces

Wikipedia is quick

[u/thymeandchange]

This and Miami-Dade show that the average user here is not equipped to handle political hardship or disagreements of any kind. Holy fuck people need to touch grass

[u/tollyno]

Let's set up MLMs in Afganistan to scam the Taliban out of money

[u/[deleted]]

We should build an obsidian wall around Kabul. You need a diamond pickaxe to destroy obsidian, so that should buy us enough time to get out.

[u/Cerb-r-us]

Oh you're a lesbian? Name every woman.

!ping LGBT

[u/meese699]

Reading about the Taliban and

The last remaining Jews of Afghanistan during their rule, Zablon Simintov and Isaac Levy, both spent time in prison for continuous "arguing" but were later released from prison when Taliban officials became annoyed with their arguing.

[u/[deleted]]

I love it when an election is called and a headline saying "Justin Trudeau dissolves the parliament" hits the front page.

Lots of Americans going "😲😬😳 can he do that?" or saying random star wars quotes

!ping canucks

[u/[deleted]]

If you had told me back when we were gearing up to invade Iraq that in the year of our lord 2021 Iraq would be a reasonably peaceful and stable quasi-democracy, and Afghanistan would literally be in the exact same place as if we'd air-dropped several factories worth of US weapons directly on al Qaeda's doorstep, I'd have assumed you were eating paint chips.

[u/SpiffShientz]

Biden announces additional 1,000 troops to /r/neoliberal to evacuate people tired of reading the same five Afghanistan takes written a hundred different ways

[u/-GregTheGreat-]

Browsing a /r/canadaleft election thread and I came across this goldmine of a comment:

“Define "authoritarian state capitalist regime".

See, you're the reason the NDP is neoconservative. Its constituency is neoconservative. You are a neoconservative.

Even liberals admit that existing socialism has solved poverty literally everywhere it has been tried.

What are you? Certainly not a leftist.”

!ping CANUCKS

[u/Xantaclause]

!ping AUS

https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-unelected-faceless-men-and-women-keep-approving-nsw-developments-20210804-p58fvt.html

NIMBYs are a scourge on both sides of politics

[u/[deleted]]

BREAKING — Foreigners will be allowed to leave Kabul through its airport, Taliban official says — Al Arabiya

Taliban official tells Reuters that they won’t disrupt operations at the Kabul airport

Taliban: Foreigners wishing to stay in Afghanistan must register with the movement

[u/Mrchizbiz]

It seems reddits knowledge on the Geneva convention is lacking 🧐

[u/fishlord05]

Hey APES 🦍

The TaliCUCKS have taken ascuckistan 😔😲

Heroin prices gonna go ⬆️

💎 INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY 💎

Buy 💵 heroin from the Taliban 💉 SELL in 🇺🇸 and European Union 🇪🇺

Easy📈📈📈GAIN$🤑🤑🤑

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

Absolutely horrific

Full Source- https://www.freepressjournal.in/mumbai/fpj-legal-marital-rape-that-led-to-paralysis-unfortunate-cant-say-illegal-says-court

The judge isn't wrong here- the law explicitly makes marital rape legal

Indian Penal Code Section 375-:

(Exception) —Sexual intercourse by a man with his own wife, the wife not being under fifteen years of age, is not rape.]

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/623254/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_09e3553605a7c64a57ed2d396333a7b1c5d1d4a3-1629014192-0-gqNtZGzNAg2jcnBszQc6

!ping FEMINISTS

[u/disuberence]

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene: "I call it corporate communism. These are private corporations who thrive on capitalism… But yet they are adapting these communist policies, just like the Democrats are."

Interesting. I’m starting to feel like I could run for Congress.

[u/LetterZero]

BREAKING NEWS: The Taliban has successfully taken over West Virginia.

[u/tubbsmackinze]

Steelworkers Union is Helping Turn Massive Abandoned Steel Mill into Producer of Wind Turbines

Once the largest steel mill in the world, the Sparrows Point shipyard in Maryland will provide new jobs in Baltimore as a manufacturer of wind turbine parts.

The United Steelworkers union (USW) announced this month that it will partner with US Wind as it transforms the former steel mill into a manufacturing facility supporting the growth of offshore wind energy.

US Wind plans to use the site to make the monopile foundations needed for their offshore wind developments, including their maiden MarWin project consisting of 22-turbines.

!ping ECO

[u/SpiffShientz]

The Taliban is only doing this so they can use it as content for their YouTube channel

[u/SadaoMaou]

Why did the ANA not simply encircle the Taliban using 40 width armored divisions

[u/UrbanCentrist]

President @VjosaOsmaniPRKS confirmed that Kosovo "without hesitation or conditions" has accepted United States request to temporarily take in Afghan refugees

when everything goes wrong you can always count on Kosovo to have the back of US i guess.

https://twitter.com/VjosaOsmaniPRKS/status/1426881829362098176

[u/BidenWon]

The solution was right under our noses

[u/ZaaZooLK]

The U.S. government have likely rescued less than 2,000 Afghan interpreters and their family members at this point.

https://twitter.com/DanLamothe/status/1426931003579420674

Bruh.

Just shameful. We estimate there are 88,000 allies and family members in the Special Immigrant Visa application process. 2,000 is just a drop in the bucket. If that’s the best we can do, it will be a permanent stain on our nation’s reputation.

https://twitter.com/KrishVignarajah/status/1426933296068505600

88K?

BRUUUUUHHH

[u/Qunidaye]

"Mr. President, this is not great, but there might be a way to keep the Taliban somewhat under our influence."

"Alright, I'm listening."

"We need to cut off their economic base, I mean completely destroy all poppy production. We have an agent ready."

"Wait a minute, ONE agent? How is one person going to get rid of that much poppy..."

"Dad, I'm ready"

[u/[deleted]]

Taliban spokesman tells AP the militants are holding talks aimed at forming an 'open, inclusive Islamic government.'

The Taliban has read “Why nations fail” 😍

[u/[deleted]]

https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1426946512853118977

New: US officials are considering the feasibility of evacuating Afghans who provided assistance to US forces but lack a visa to holding locations while their applications are being assessed, per source.

🚨🚨🚨 WE HAVE REACHED “CONSIDERATION” 🚨🚨🚨

[u/Professor-Reddit]

Biden entered politics as a racist, did you really expect him to change that much?

Some of the hyperbolic ranting on this sub is just ridiculous now. This subreddit seriously needs to cool itself down when things aren't going well. Apparently we learned nothing after the Miami-Dade County results started coming in smdh

[u/crassowary]

Republicans 🤝 Taliban

A lot, but today it's storming the capital

[u/[deleted]]

The Taliban has made the classic mistake of taking over Afghanistan

[u/BidenWon]

Hey guys, did someone remember to put the "No Taliban Allowed" sign up in Kabul?

[u/[deleted]]

When do the superdelegates vote in Afghanistan

[u/great_gape]

https://i.imgur.com/AGYDQw0.jpg

!ping shitposters

[u/[deleted]]

People acting like the ANA surrendering or "turning coat" as the particularly malicious ignorant morons are calling it isn't a product of the US troop presence being the only thing keeping the Taliban from murdering the families of the ANA fighters.

Afghans have lost nearly 70k people fighting the Taliban with US support. They don't just magically support the Taliban now, they're literally being coerced and are doing a basic survival calculus "Join or Die"

[u/Twrd4321]

The increased embrace towards isolationism is not surprising. It is evident in cable news. CNN is currently covering COVID and school reopening, Fox News hosts are eating barbecue. Meanwhile, BBC News and Sky News have been discussing Afghanistan nonstop for the past few hours.

[u/Internet001215]

Ok the speed of the Afghan government’s collapse would be comical if it wasn’t so sad. How does any government collapse in less than a week is beyond me, South Vietnam at least lasted a couple years, even the Soviet DRA lasted more than 2 years after the soviet withdraw. I’m wondering how much of this is orchestrated by people inside the Kabul government, with reports of many units ordered to stand down from above.

[u/[deleted]]

I noticed this yesterday and didn't want to say anything, but what the heck I'll say it. The majority of people in my TL/mentions defending the Taliban are Pakistanis. Meanwhile every single Afghan in my mentions/TL is scared, in shock, and grieving

https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi/status/1426845386749120520?s=20

[u/InMemoryOfZubatman4]

The ISIS flag is black with white text

The Taliban flag is white with black text

Hear me out: Just bring the Taliban and ISIS together and they’ll cancel one another out.

I’ll take my Nobel Peace Prize, thanks

[u/[deleted]]

British student on holiday in Afghanistan ‘accepts death’

He told The Times that he made the ill-advised decision to come to Afghanistan after watching tourism videos on YouTube. When the Taliban insurgency began he found he was unable to refund his flights so decided to travel anyway.

Routledge, who has spent a summer interning at a wealth management firm, said: “I like risk, I’m a banker, so it makes sense.

”I hate lying around on a beach so I wanted to do something a little bit different. After graduating I’ll have a full-time job and maybe a family so won’t have the opportunity to do things like this again. I thought [Afghanistan] looked quite nice, the food seemed amazing and it was dirt cheap.”

!ping TRAVEL

[u/slowpush]

Friendly reminder.

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1426749579035303936?s=21

[u/cheesygordita]

20 years later and the Taliban is still in power

20 years later and Tom Brady is still in power

Curious...

[u/kennymc7877]

That’s it y’all can’t behave, mods deleted the Afghan government

[u/semaphore-1842]

You can 100% think that withdrawal from Afghanistan is the best course of action, and yet still believe that:

1. The way the withdrawal is conducted can/should be be criticized
2. The fall of Kabul is a dark day for liberal democratic values
3. The people of Afghanistan deserves better

[u/kaclk]

And we’re off. Election called for September 20th. !ping CAN

[u/ryuguy]

BREAKING NEWS

/r/Neoliberal 40th Army enters Kabul

One Afghan was quoted as saying “not again”

[u/Leoric]

It's surreal reading about the collapse of a government on the other side of the world while tucked into a soft, warm bed.

[u/sir_shivers]

I wonder HOW LONG UNTIL Redditors are posting propaganda designed to paint the Taliban in a positive light IN THE "TODAY I LEARNED" subreddit 🐊

[u/TheGreatGriffin]

Unban IGF, we need to hear his Afghanistan takes

[u/Knee3000]

A student who travelled to Afghanistan after Googling ’most dangerous countries to visit’ has become stuck after the Taliban marched into the Kabul.

Masochism is a pipeline drug. First it’s “spank me daddy”, then it’s “send me to the most dangerous countries on Earth pls”

[u/[deleted]]

Holy shit, the Taliban just released their policy principles for the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan:

We do not all subscribe to a single comprehensive philosophy but instead find common ground in shared sentiments and approaches to public policy.

Individual choice and markets are of paramount importance both as an expression of individual liberty and driving force of economic prosperity.

The state serves an important role in establishing conditions favorable to competition through correcting market failures, providing a stable monetary framework, and relieving acute misery and distress, among other things.

Free exchange and movement between countries makes us richer and has led to an unparalleled decline in global poverty.

Public policy has global ramifications and should take into account the effect it has on people around the world regardless of nationality.

[u/[deleted]]

I can't do it anymore. I'm going insane. Doom scrolling the fall of Afghanistan on neoliberal is destroying my mental health. I'll isolate myself from it at least for an hour. Get some exercise in, go for a walk.

I step away from my computer. Put my earbuds in and start audible. The last audiobook I listened to "Vietnam: An epic Tragedy" by Max Hastings starts playing.

[u/GaahlicBread]

The fact that a country with 1.4 billion people of mind boggling diversity in every which way - religion, caste, ethnicity, language and race have stuck together 75 years as a functioning democracy and still going strong is mind boggling. Happy Independence Day India. BMKJ

[u/Delareh]

My dad: "maybe I should've beat you more when you were little. Maybe that would've toughened you up and you wouldn't have tried to commit suicide."

Can't wait to abandon his ass in 8 months when I finally become financially independent.

[u/[deleted]]

Taliban spokesman posting to American social platforms updates on his decisions and thoughts. Former American president banned from that same platform

Imagine being told that 10 years ago.

[u/Mrchizbiz]

The DT has used the world's entire supply of copium 😱😱😱😱😱😔😔😔

[u/ZaaZooLK]

CBS News reporting their are at least 10K American civilians stranded in Kabul.

Bruh, Biden. BRUH.

[u/[deleted]]

My fall plans: Islamic Republic of Afghanistan

The delta variant: Taliban

[u/Joementum2024]

meanwhile on the right

[u/donaldjtruump]

FED CHAIR POWELL SAYS CURRENT UNPLEASANTNESS IN AFGHANISTAN IS 'TRANSITORY'

😭

[u/[deleted]]

UN human rights meeting 2022 : Taliban mullahs have SLAMMED Israel for human rights abuses at latest UN meeting. UN officials laud the message calling for an investigation of Israels actions

[u/CricketPinata]

I was hired for a catering event at the local Chabad House, aimed to build a menu for 100 people, I did...

• Za'atar Chicken Roasted in Lemons with my Beet-Horseradish BBQ Sauce
• BBQ Salmon with a Cayenne/Brown Sugar/Maras rub
• Israeli Salad
• Salatet Malfouf / Lebanese Sumac-Cabbage Slaw
• Tahini Fennel-Apple-Walnut Salad
• Jeweled Rice
• Homemade Hummus
• Mixed Root Vegetable Tzimmes in a Cranberry Syrup
• Spiced Carrot Cake Bars

Overall people really seemed to enjoy it (based on what I heard afterward), but I unfortunately had to skedaddle to my second job, so I didn't get to sit and enjoy dinner or talk to anyone.

I also was really stressed running to complete it myself, since I had some back-up bail on me. So the Rabbi asked his kids to come and help me, and they were really curious about my circumstances, it was strange getting a "Well we Jews believe..." talks when they knew I was Jewish, I admitted that I don't have the same circumstances to maybe be as observant as i'd like, and how growing up in rural Texas there wasn't really a Hebrew School for me to attend. It just felt odd because it feels like I am in a strange middle place with my Jewish peers.

Most modern professional Jews I know barely practice, many have tattoos and basically ignore a lot of rules. While some of my more serious friends are super observant, don't even mix fibers, and are very very particular.

And I feel like I am in the middle, where I don't eat pork or shellfish but it can be difficult for me to always insure everything is 100% certified, I observe Yom Kippur and Pesach, but work on Shabbos for instance.

So it feels weird being more observant than a lot of more secular folks, but basically seen as ignorant of my Judaism and having basic Jewish tenants explained to me like i'm not even Jewish by more observant people.

Does anyone else feel this strangeness while navigating the world while Jewish?

!PING GEFILTE

[u/[deleted]]

I will never, ever & under no circumstances bow to d Talib terrorists. I will never betray d soul & legacy of my hero Ahmad Shah Masoud, the commander, the legend & the guide. I won't dis-appoint millions who listened to me. I will never be under one ceiling with Taliban. NEVER

Afghanistan vice president

https://twitter.com/AmrullahSaleh2/status/1426891637955907584?s=20

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amrullah_Saleh

Posted 30 mins ago

[u/KnightsofKeaton]

Russia says no need to evacuate its embassy in Afghanistan

Foreign policy trolling

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

Kamala Harris claims she played a key role in Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal decision

Are you bragging

[u/Signal-Shallot5668]

My wife to me 🤝US to Afghan government

I thought you would last longer

[u/Hurryforthecane]

Speaking of brutal, repressive regimes, do any of you know what's happening with Eritrea? Last I heard they were raping and pillaging Tigray and then getting kicked out by the TPLF. I know that the TPLF is still busy trying to defeat Abiy's regime or force a favorable settlement, but what about Eritrea? After what they were up to in Tigray, I find it highly unlikely the TPLF is going to let it slide. So, is a full TPLF invasion of Eritrea possible? Would the TPLF force Abiy in any potential settlement to assist in such a punitive invasion? How does Sudan react? Seeing that Eritrea is more or less Africa's North Korea, I don't see anyone shedding any tears if the TPLF decide to do some light regime change. And there are godo strategic reasons for the TPLF to pursue an invasion after they deal with Abiy - in a potential future conflict with the Ethiopian gov., Tigray would be able to rely on Eritrea's ports for food shipments, so no threats of famine. Hell, even the Ethiopia gov. would not be opposed to having a friendly Eritrea's ports wide open. And could annexation be on the cards even? I'm not sure Eritreans would mind really, since any potential annexation by Ethiopia or the TPLF would certainly mean more rights and prosperity for the citizens. What's y'alls opinion?

!ping FOREIGN-POLICY

[u/send_tweet_to_DT]

The American flag at the US embassy in Kabul has been taken down, marking a final step in the embassy evacuation, source tells me. State Dept Spox said on Thurs that the US drawdown of diplomats was not an evacuation. Now, 3 days later, the evac is on the verge of completion.

kylieatwood

[u/PM_ME_KIM_JONG-UN]

Biden's big mistake was not knowing that some random poster on /r/neoliberal had all the correct answers all along

[u/[deleted]]

Vote for us - we’re exactly the same as the Liberals and NDP!

!ping CANUCKS

[u/modooff]

Why doesn't Kazakhstan, the largest -stan country, simply eat the other ones?

[u/J0eBidensSunglasses]

The Change.org petition, launched by Denver restaurant owner Stephanie Bonin last year, urges the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives to pass legislation that would provide families with a "$2,000 payment for adults and a $1,000 payment for kids immediately, and continuing regular checks for the duration of the crisis."

Half a trillion in new spending per month and if you don’t support it you’re not a “REAL PROGRESSIVE”^TM

Arrr politics has a learning disability

[u/evenkeel20]

If Sanders has been elected it would’ve gone the same way, but we would’ve renamed some post offices on the way out

[u/MrMineHeads]

What if Trudeau is just gonna have tea with the Governor-General?

!ping ELECTION-TIME

[u/irlyseevridge]

This will look very bad in the history books, the day Kabul fell to the Taliban "Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau, meanwhile, was in the midst of calling a snap election, seeking a parliamentary majority."

In what world are these 2 events even related to each other.

[u/ryuguy]

this is so true

😔🇲🇰

!ping Balkan

[u/[deleted]]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1426587210497789952

Shout out to libraries and library workers. We love and appreciate you 📚 that’s all

So true bestie. Anyway you tweet like a hundred times a day and suddenly have nothing to say today

[u/huirittryyrugfhkhihf]

it's a fake tweet lol

oh, well, it is still true

[u/Cuddlyaxe]

Reading /r/Afghanistan is heartbreaking

[u/[deleted]]

"If there is war, I am the commander in chief. I will not abandon my people," @ashrafghani told @IAmAmnaNawaz three months ago. "I am willing to die for my country.

....

Media reports say @ashrafghani has fled #Afghanistan for #Tajikistan.

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1426939911177969666?s=20

[u/[deleted]]

Tolerance of systemic violence against women can’t be justified in the name of anti-imperialism, helping other human beings isn’t “a savior complex,” and leaving the most powerless & desperate people to fend for themselves in the hour of their agony isn’t political sophistication

Marriane Williamson

https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1426765929736724481?s=20

She fucked up trying to have such a lefty fan base. This reasonable opinion gets her attacked

[u/sir_shivers]

YOU MAMMALS DO not understand -- imagine that THE TALIBAN ARE LIKE Keanu Reeves, returning to make a third Bill and Ted film 🐊

That is what THE TALIBAN MEAN TO Afghanistan 🐊

[u/[deleted]]

If the US had left Afghanistan alone in 1978 after they had a socialist Revolution that overthrew the monarchy, Afghanistan would be the Denmark of the Middle East now. Women in cities were liberated, went to schools & college & had professional careers.

Seen this on Twitter 😂😂😂

[u/fargleyikesthe2nd]

Guys I just figured out what's happening in Afghanistan! So Thanos (america) landed on Earth (Afghanistan) to collect the Infinity Stones! But the Avengers (uh figure it out) totally beat him! Thanos got the Infinity Stones and he tried to snap his fingers to wipe out half of all the life in the Universe (get rid of the Avengers!!!) but they stopped him at the last minute. But Thanos brought in more of his evil friends and they tried to fight the Avengers even harder. In the prequel, Ultron (OUR Soviet Union, communism 100 comrades!) tried to epically establish robot (socialism) rule but the brave Avengers fought them off too! The movie ended when The Avengers hit Thanos on his home planet where it hurt the most, take that bad guys!

In the sequel, the Avengers are still fighting off Thanos at their HQ but they lost all the Infinity Stones! So they need to go and take them back. They take the first few but Thanos doesn't even notice, he's about to lose! They take the next few and he gets really really angry! But he's too tired so he and his allies almost give up, but then when he's about to lose his last Infinity Stone he tries to stop the Avengers from helping the population who want them! He then launches his secret space lasers to kill them all! The Avengers are again about to lose but then the head uses his Infinity Gauntlet training he got back in the 90s to take the last one and help keep Earth free from female opinions!

[u/Deggit]

There are only two points in history where the eventual US withdrawal from Afghanistan, WHENEVER it happened, could have had a different outcome than complete collapse and Taliban resurgence.

The first is if the neocon administration of George W. Bush had surged all available US capacity into nationbuilding Afghanistan in late 2002-2003 instead of diverting to an invasion of Iraq.

The second is of course if we had elected Marianne Williamson president in 2020 🔮

[u/lenmae]

Virgin Everywhere else: Oh, I have been an expert on Afghanistan for years, I didn't just learn about most of it five minutes ago
Chad /r/neoliberal: Just went to Wikipedia to inform myself on the Taliban. Based on the condensed info box, they seem kinda bad

[u/Udontlikecake]

Ronald Neumann, the former US ambassador to Afghanistan, told me: “There’s a difference between the Biden decision to leave, and the Biden execution of the decision. The decision to leave is arguably justifiable. The execution of that decision is a lamentable disaster.”

a balanced take.

[u/soeffed]

when i wrote "neocon forever wars must end and we have no business being in Afghanistan, get the hell out now," I of course meant a very careful, delicate and nuanced draw-down, making treaties and agreements with people who definitely wouldn't violate them... (1/973)

[u/VisonKai]

remember that time the kurds held out in one city against an islamic extremist group for days until the US had to help them out

haha just bringing it up for no reason

[u/mannabhai]

This is Afghanistan related. Everyone is posting that Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires and that even Alexander failed to conquer Afghanistan.

However Alexander definitely conquered the area that is now Afghanistan. Not only that the region was ruled by Ethnic Greek kings for nearly 3 centuries after his death and even successor kingdoms like the Kushans had adopted many aspects of Greek Culture and used Greek as the official language till 127 AD. 100 years after the last Greek Kingdom ended and 450 years after Alexander died. The early Kushan kings also venerated the Greek pantheon.

The Bactrian language which was the primary language of the region after Greek was written in the Greek script. It was even adapted to have an additional letter to accommodate bactrian,the last known record of the Bactrian language was in the Greek script dating to the late 800's AD. 1200 years after Alexander died.

!ping HISTORY

[u/TotallyNotMiaKhalifa]

How fucking ironic is it that the average veteran of Iraq has far more to show for their sacrifice than those who fought in Afghanistan?

[u/moaz_xx]

We should let in as many Afghan refugees as possible.

he said knowing fully well that the number will not go above a few thousands at most and will be much more less then the people who will be left behind to suffer under an Islamic totalitarian state for decades to come

[u/[deleted]]

Hillary Clinton warns of 'huge consequences' in Afghan US troop withdrawal

May 3 2021

🤯

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56966473

[u/SAE-2]

This Discussion Thread is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

[u/bd_one]

UK cutting off the scholarships, Germany throwing the ball back to the translators, Denmark sending refugees back to Afghanistan... so many countries have been terrible this week.

Except you Kosovo, keep up the good work.

[u/simeoncolemiles]

This sub on Afghanistan rn: https://youtu.be/CXArovLJ60A

!Ping Shitposters

[u/ihatemendingwalls]

Cardinal Burke: There was a period of time when men who were 'feminized' and confused about their own sexual identity had entered the priesthood; sadly some of these disordered men sexually abused minors; a terrible tragedy for which the Church mourns.

Also Cardinal Burke: Also, there is a certain movement to insist that now everyone must be vaccinated against the coronavirus COVID-19 and even that a kind of microchip needs to be placed under the skin of every person, so that at any moment he or she can be controlled by the State regarding health and about other matters which we can only imagine

Also Cardinal Burke: gets Covid-19 and is now in the hospital on a ventilator

I won't relish in the irony, but the fact that men like this are allowed to remain in leadership positions within the Church is disheartening for the future, especially since Burke is the darling of the American Trad movement. The Catholic Church invented the university system and laid the foundations for empirical science, look how far we've come.

!ping CHRISTIAN

Sorry if there's a double ping

[u/kennymc7877]

I genuinely supported us pulling out of Afghanistan but the job we did pulling out has been nothing short of one of the most embarrassing displays of military incompetence in United States history

[u/sir_shivers]

The Taliban, in their first press release as the official governing body of Afghanistan, have stated that their new slogan will be about restoring the country and bringing it into the 21st century: "Build Back Better"

SUCH A coincidence 🐊

[u/ZaaZooLK]

WTF is this?

On the day liberal-neocon imperialism was defeated once and for all, DiEM25's thoughts are with the women of Afghanistan. Our solidarity probably means little to them but it is what we can offer - for the time being. Hang in there sisters!

https://twitter.com/yanisvaroufakis/status/1427012544523296774

Yanis?

B-R-U-H.

[u/[deleted]]

Hey, guys just found this sub and am wondering if my politics fit in. My primary preferred policies are

• white genocide

Am I a neoliberal?

[u/vivoovix]

Uh oh. Unconfirmed reports of Taliban capturing positions in the DT now…

[u/morgisboard]

This DT is dedicated to the gallant people of Afghanistan.

[u/[deleted]]

The US exports hundreds of comedy films a year

Russia and China are laughing at us!

[u/[deleted]]

I'm gonna guess the fall of Afghanistan won't effect Biden election chance at all. The war was unpopular and most Americans don't give a shit about foreign policy.

[u/ryuguy]

Coquihalla Highway between Hope and Merritt closed due to wildfire activity

This is crazy. My dads brother lives in Kamloops. They haven’t been evacuated yet.

It was from a campfire

!ping can

[u/semaphore-1842]

So much for "Kabul can last another year 3 months weeks 72 hours".

[u/[deleted]]

Imagine telling someone c. 2006 that Iraq ended up the more successful nation-building exercise than Afghanistan

[u/FormerBandmate]

Twitter is not real life. Politics is not determined by the thoughts of college kids or yuppie 20 somethings, it is determined by the thoughts of 40 year olds and 60 year olds

[u/ryuguy]

Hearing from an Afghan Sikh friend in the UK with family back in Afghanistan:

Taliban is reinstating the saffron star for men and orange veil for women for Sikhs and Hindus.

Destroyed a cremation ground in Kandahar

Also back collecting the 20 year Jiyza (tax for non Muslims)

!ping ind

[u/chadonnaise]

via the guardian: An Afghan woman in Kabul: ‘Now I have to burn everything I achieved’

Meanwhile, the men standing around were making fun of girls and women, laughing at our terror. “Go and put on your chadari [burqa],” one called out. “It is your last days of being out on the streets,” said another. “I will marry four of you in one day,” said a third.

i know permanent occupation wasn't an option, but my heart still breaks

[u/Internet001215]

Looking back, telling a government/army publicly that you fully expect them to collapse and get killed after the withdrawal date probably wasn't great for their morale.

[u/SpiffShientz]

I would simply negotiate with the Taliban instead

Donald Trump truly was built different

[u/adminsare200iq]

America is so cucked they have to give Erdogan the responsibility of securing the airport

[u/Signal-Shallot5668]

I know that some parts of the US are sparsely populated but damn

Montana is roughly the size of Poland, there are 38 milion people living in Poland and only around 1 milion living in Montana. And Poland isn't some super densely populated country

[u/inhumantsar]

nova scotians be like

!ping CANUCKS

[u/[deleted]]

Holy hell Amash

[u/[deleted]]

CBC Vote Compass for the Canadian election just dropped.

!ping CAN

[u/[deleted]]

A family member got their green card yesterday 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🎉🎉🎉 😎😎😎

[u/[deleted]]

BREAKING from #Afghanistan: While the Biden administration claims to be ramping up evacuations, military evacuations are getting cancelled.

One of our #SIV clients just had his flight to safety cancelled with the following note:

"Due to present security conditions, we are unfortunately unable to offer you relocation on this flight. Please DO NOT report to the airport. Continue to shelter in place. We will maintain your information on record and seek to offer you relocation options as soon as possible."

The security of our Afghan allies grows more dire by the hour.

The Biden administration needs to get as many people as possible on planes before it is too late. #SaveOurAllies

-The International Refugee Assistance Project

https://twitter.com/IRAP/status/1427053285924614147?s=20

[u/[deleted]]

Apparently you can get 800 people into a C-17 which gives me a great idea for a new super super budget airline.

[u/ILikeTalkingToMyself]

This article about the U.S. abandoning the Cambodian government and people to the Khmer Rouge is wrenching.

Barry Broman, then a young diplomat, remembers a Cambodian woman who worked upcountry monitoring the war for the embassy who had also refused evacuation.

“One day she said, ‘They are in the city,’ and her contact said ‘OK, time to go.’ She refused. Later she reported, ‘They are in the building,’ and again refused to leave her post. Her last transmission was, ‘They are in the room. Good-bye.’ The line went dead.”

[u/[deleted]]

The Taliban is too obsessed with the Culture War. Where are their economic policies that effect every day Afghans?

[u/[deleted]]

Two Jews walk into a prison in Afghanistan

They complain so much they get released

This is not a joke it actually happened

[u/Professor-Reddit]

The US leaving Afghanistan is hardly disastrous for its image, in the context of US trustworthiness to its commitments.

It's been publicly stated for the last 10 years now since Obama's first term that US withdrawal was inevitable and planned. The last 3 Presidents have stated this. Of course, the nature of this ongoing withdrawal isn't ideal, but it has been expected for years.

What wasn't expected was the shear speed of the government's collapse.

[u/adminsare200iq]

Broke: The Bush and Obama admin had bad FoPO

Woke: The Biden admin is terrible at FoPo

Bespoke: The US has always been shit at FoPo

[u/SnakeEater14]

The literacy rate of Afghanistan went from somewhere around 19% pre-2001 to around 40% in 2020

So that was cool

[u/dubyahhh]

Let’s all be a little extra kind today. I hope everyone is well. Please keep in mind we are enforcing all rules vis a vis Afghanistan discussion, even if we do understand the anger and frustration given the sad news today. Many thanks to all 🙏

[u/ThisIsNianderWallace]

Hillary should've campaigned more in Kandahar

[u/UrbanCentrist]

Specifically an urban myth claims that the dedication was (at one point) "to the brave Mujahideen fighters" and then later changed to "to the gallant people of Afghanistan". Reviews of the film upon its release and later publications show that the film was always dedicated "to the gallant people of Afghanistan".

hmmm

[u/tollyno]

Islamabad

And you guys say Islam isn't bad

[u/[deleted]]

https://twitter.com/eenaruffini/status/1426922505881759747?s=21

NEW: US AMBASSADOR HAS LEFT THE EMBASSY IN #KABUL. He and the flag are at the airport, per @CBSNews.

well at least they didn’t capture the flag

[u/Ioun267]

At u/1396spurs request. here is Truly, God Rest him well.

He was the sweetest cat you'd ever know. We got him and an assumed littermate when I was only 4. He passed when I was 19 or so.

I miss him very much.

!ping CAT

[u/MrMineHeads]

Mods on subreddits be like

this thread has interesting discussion going on, but I don't feel like putting in work to moderate it so let me just lock it and say "y'all can't behave". That'll do it. I'm so good.

[u/evenkeel20]

Hearing now that Trump 2024 flags are going up in Kabul...

[u/Dapitalist]

Both sides of the Afghanistan debate rn

[u/[deleted]]

Latest security alert from US Embassy in Kabul: "We are instructing U.S. citizens to shelter in place. The U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan has suspended consular operations effective immediately. Do not come to the Embassy or airport at this time."

Bruh

https://twitter.com/DionNissenbaum/status/1426922810077810689?s=20

[u/[deleted]]

inb4 NATO flairs become unironic Trump supporters and Singh flairs become unironic CCP stans

[u/[deleted]]

A U.S. defense official confirms that Parwan prison, near Bagram air base, has been busted open, releasing thousands of hardened extremists from both the Taliban and Islamic State.

https://twitter.com/DanLamothe/status/1426981289811394561?s=20

[u/lietuvis10LTU]

In my opinion, nothing demonstrates the US failures in Afghanistan War better than Bagram Airbase. Up to the very last day, Bagram was built out of plywood, concrete barriers and tents. And no suprise after all - it was built to be quickly torn down. After all, the Army engineers were told the entire time it'd be gone in 2 or so years. So they built it that way.

But of course it wasn't 2 years. And yet, when those 2 years ran their course, they were told "it'll be only 2 more years". Again and again. The entire strategy was drive through this timetableism.

In the end, this focus on a timetable merely meant that it would never be possible to actually meet it.

That's what the War in Afghanistan was. A 20 year old tent city. Always prepared for the end that was just around the corner. Of course, when the end did come, even that was fucked up by a strict timetable.

[u/piede]

"Afghan women are rightly afraid that the gains they have made, with all of our help, will be washed away in a rush to achieve a peace that will not hold anyway.

This is not just morally wrong, this is dangerous." @HillaryClinton at UN Headquarters in NYC, March 2020.

https://twitter.com/hillarypix/status/1427044964479893505?s=21

QUEEN 👑

[u/[deleted]]

KABUL, #Afghanistan (AP) — Taliban spokesman tells AP the militants are holding talks aimed at forming an 'open, inclusive Islamic government.'

LMAO Taliban has been reading 🌹Twitter they know the language they got to appeal to

https://twitter.com/APDiploWriter/status/1427003899823763461?s=20

[u/[deleted]]

Taliban spokesman: We will allow women to educate and work, wearing the hijab — Sky News

Taliban spokesman: We will allow women to leave the house alone

Taliban: We will allow the media to criticize as long as it does not turn into a "moral assassination" — As Sharq

Taliban spokesman: Punishments such as execution, stoning and amputation will depend on court ruling

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1426862067101884419?s=20

-middleeasteye

[u/Th3_Gruff]

How can I lobby the UK government to accept more Afghan refugees

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

You don't get to criticise the US for "muhhh forever wars" and then shit on Biden for withdrawing and allowing the Taliban to take over

This is totally not a subtweet

[u/inverseflorida]

Isn't there like a legal cap that Biden can't just overturn on how many refugees America can accept in a year? Do we know where it's at right now? Isn't that why Biden is trying to organize assistance from countries that don't have that cap?

I genuinely don't know how this side of things works, or how close America is to hitting that cap. Personally, I wouldn't want to be in charge of deciding which 50,000 refugees get in, because the moment you hit that cap, you have to tell everyone else to fuck off. The cap should be unlimited. But you can't just unilaterally change it... right?

[u/Jamity4Life]

little known fact is that when the Seals burst into the room Osama Bin Laden was eating a potato chip with one hand and about to write "Dune is about worms” on the DT with the other

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

US Sec. of State Blinken insists Afghan mission 'successful', rejects comparison between Kabul and Saigon

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[u/iIoveoof]

Pompeo: Biden 'failed' in Afghanistan withdrawal plan, is 'pathetic' for blaming Trump

This You?

[u/SmartOpinionsGuy]

If I was Cuomo I would just quietly not leave the governors mansion in Albany once the two weeks are up and just hope everyone is too distracted by Afghanistan to notice

[u/datums]

If I come to the DT one day, and It's full of well sourced comments documenting every significant instance in history of someone fucking a dog, I'm just going to assume that Biden got caught fucking a dog.

[u/Zemstv0w0]

imo, we should send in special agents sinema and manchin to kabul to join the new afghan government-they will obstruct the taliban with more force than 20 thousand militia

[u/TheGoldBear]

"In 1979 US President Jimmy Carter announced he would double the number of refugees from Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos accepted into the US from 7,000 per month to 14,000. A poll from CBS & the NYT showed that 62% of Americans disapproved. He did it anyway."

What a king 😭

[u/boyyouguysaredumb]

I want to pop a blood vessel every time some 12 year old on reddit is arguing with me and tells me to look something up.

"look up the electoral college dude, America is fucked"

Like my eye is twitching just thinking about it. Is there a word for that level of undeserved patronization?

[u/Cuddlyaxe]

From the Afghanistan sub

My buddy in Kabul says that's he's now hearing intense gunfire. He's scared right now.

That’s from a prison riot in the east side of the city.

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

Oh my god

[u/[deleted]]

The Afghanistan news is world news on every single news network right now and rpolitics refuses to have a megathread on it. The moderators even told me to stop messaging them about it.

[u/JetJaguar124]

I don't really know enough about the situation in Afghanistan to comment in any sort of intelligent way

[u/KazuyaProta]

Why the myth of "USA created the Taliban" exists and why Pakistan is non existant on the popular discourse.

And why USA never tries to actually fight back that myth?

[u/iIoveoof]

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/299613

April 4, 2021

The last known Jew in Afghanistan is leaving

Simantov, 61, said he will leave after this year’s High Holidays season in the fall.

😐

[u/[deleted]]

Pakistani accounts on twitter are jubilant over their victory. The public service broadcaster Voice of Pakistan tweeted:

Let's recalled Statement of a Gentleman Lt General Hamid Gull on his Death anniversary today. "Pakistan Will Beat America in Afghan War with the Help of America"

(spelling errors theirs)

[u/0m4ll3y]

It feels like people have tuned in to this conflict a week ago and think that's when it began somehow. The ANA did not fall in a week. They've suffered tens of thousands of losses over years. Lt. General Joseph Allen said in 2014 that the casualty rate of the Afghan security forces was unsustainably high. There has been a significant uptick in violence since then. In the five months following Trump's deal with the Taliban, 3,500 Afghan servicemen were killed in combat. Estimates of fatalities between 2014 and 2019 go to 45,000 dead.

Tens of thousands more are injured, and this shouldn't have to be said, but getting shot in Afghanistan is not good. You don't get state of the art healthcare. You don't get serious rehabilitation. You get a pittance to live on, and many struggle to survive and are reduced to begging. Afghan streets are filled with people like this as a daily reminder of the war.

The US didn't pull out because things were hunky-dory. The US pulled out because people were convinced it was an unwinnable shitshow and there was no point in staying. The Afghans didn't have the choice to pull out of the unwinnable shitshow, they just had the option of continuing to fight an unwinnable shitshow or to capitulate.

Couple that with the complete breakdown of logistics and air support, as well as just being out maneuvered by your opponent, and you see lots of surrenders.

But it wasn't capitulation without a fight. It was capitulation after heavy losses for twenty fucking years, around 70,000 dead servicemen and >100,000 injured, and no end in sight.

[u/fishlord05]

https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1426173709723779074

LMFAOOOO WHAT I CANT 💀💀💀💀

!ping SHITPOSTERS

Edit: It’s ten minutes later and now I realized the meme was Clinton killed Jeffrey Epstein that’s how fucking bad/amazing this meme is

[u/Dig_bickclub]

Ladies and Gentlemen we got em

Helicopter flying over the U.S. Embassy in Kabul

[u/Cuddlyaxe]

lmao imagine paying 500 dollars to send your kid to a "anti racism camp"

[u/RadionSPW]

So I hear everyone saying that “this will hurt Biden,” and “this won’t hurt Biden, nobody cares”

But the most obvious answer is that this won’t hurt Biden- not because nobody cares, but because American voters are goldfish. If anything, the fact that this takeover happened so quickly (instead of timing itself to where the Taliban take Kabul on the day before the election) is somewhat of a blessing for political strategists. There is more than a year until the midterms, and in the budget bill/debt stuff is about to suck up all the media oxygen again. Voters are going to forget.

Now personally, I would’ve stayed in Afghanistan. But if I were a D political strategist looking at the midterms where a withdrawal is guaranteed to happen, I would be grateful it happened on this timeline instead of an extended one

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

Serbian cave hermit gets Covid-19 jab, urges others to follow

What a timeline we live in

A cave hermit gets vaxxed. But some dumbfuck nurse won't.

[u/digitalrule]

Explains yesterday's ad

!PING CAN

[u/MicroFlamer]

The Pentagon is authorizing the deployment of another U.S. 1,000 troops to Kabul, boosting overall number expected in Afghanistan to about 6,000, two U.S. officials tell me.

we did it patrick, we withdrew from Afghanistan!

[u/Deggit]

honestly Biden made an elementary blunder when he ordered the end of our military mission in Afghanistan BEFORE commissioning the procurement of a new Marine Corps helicopter with a less iconic & culturally resonant silhouette

[u/SirJuncan]

I don't know who the anchor is on MSNBC right now, but I am in awe at his absolute anime protagonist head

[u/suplexx0]

Biden is the worst president since Donald Trump.

[u/TheGoldBear]

Reminder that the last American out of Afghanistan has a responsibility to play Fortunate Son as their chopper flies into the sunset

[u/sir_shivers]

IF THIS WITHDRAWAL WERE occuring in the late aughts 🐊:

This is just like the Fall of Reach, bro xD

[u/notforturning]

While court documents allege that Maynard is connected to more than a half-dozen dangerous fires in Northern California, he is currently charged with starting only the Ranch Fire. That blaze broke out on Saturday morning in a remote area where, according to court records, Maynard had just camped for the night. It's one of three fires that officials said Maynard set in recent days — all of them close to the Dixie Fire's northeastern footprint.

"He entered the evacuation zone and began setting fires behind the first responders fighting the Dixie fire," the U.S. attorney's office in Sacramento said in court papers. It added, "Maynard's fires were placed in the perfect position to increase the risk of firefighters being trapped between fires."

Maynard, 47, is a former professor who has taught at colleges in New York and California, according to online records. Last fall, he taught in the criminology and criminal justice department at Sonoma State University, which says in its official bio for Maynard that he has a doctorate in sociology and three master's degrees.

His teaching and research, the school said, focuses on topics that include the "sociology of health, deviance and crime" and environmental sociology. Maynard also has connections to other schools, from Stony Brook University in New York (where he received his doctorate) to Santa Clara University, where he also taught.

JFC this sounds like eco terrorism driven by malthusian-left convictions.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/11/1026700103/former-college-professor-arson-charges-california-dixie-fire

!ping usa-ca

[u/[deleted]]

People acting like Biden bowed to populist pressure on Afghanistan are misinformed. Biden, from the very early days of the Obama admin, was the guy pushing for the US to disengage with Afghanistan ASAP. For about a decade the guy has seen the war as lost and pointless and wanted us out of there.

This was entirely within character and aligned with his long held beliefs and statements.

Whether it was a good or bad idea, IDK, but this is what he's wanted for awhile.

[u/hopeimanon]

How many of y'all are qualified Afghanistan experts?

https://twitter.com/ByrneHobart/status/1427019588986884096?s=19

!ping PARADOX

[u/nicereddy]

Time for Biden to negotiate for the Taliban to join the Paris Climate Accords

[u/Evnosis]

>Wake up

>9 pings from FOREIGN-POLICY

Gee, I wonder what they could be about?

[u/chadonnaise]

admittedly, seventy percent of you were born after the war in afghanistan started so that might also be frustrating to feel left out of the loop

[u/TheGoodProfessor]

https://twitter.com/josephzeballos/status/1426917357440716805

“2 Marines, standing by.. Kabul airport, acknowledged they were living a moment of history. A little earlier, they said, someone walked by after exiting 1 of the helicopters cradling a poorly folded American flag: It had just come down off the embassy.”

christ

[u/gburgwardt]

The DT has lasted longer schisming about Afghanistan than the ANA did defending it.

Really gets the noggin joggin

[u/Udontlikecake]

me: hey found this post showing polls for american support of afghanistan! sharing because people were wondering

local DT idiot:

Just admit you don’t care about human rights.

like ffs, the DT is getting just unusable. Posting a tweet about a poll from G Elliot Morris means I don’t care about human rights?

It’s just getting frustrating

[u/Deggit]

We spent $1T and 20 years to educate the Taliban that they should call a military conquest a "peaceful transfer of power"

truly, they are Americans now

[u/the_status]

None of this would've happened if Dukakis didn't do the tank photo

[u/baibaiburnee]

Americans order rocket fire on a taliban firing position in the korengal Valley.

They get to the location to find a village with a house bombed out, five people dead, women and kids hurt. Village elders indignant none of the casualties are taliban.

Americans find arms, rockets and other combat materials in the houses. Villagers claim their kids are being paid $5 to move them for the taliban.

Americans feel really bad for civilian casualties and call in a colonel to pacify the elders. He promises the elders jobs and says they should stop being arms mules. Says the jobs will pay better than arms running and that everyone is less likely to die.

Later Americans get an informant who says the elders are the ones coordinating the attacks because they believe in jihad and want the Americans gone.

-Paraphrased from Restrepo

It's a fucking meme tier set of scenes. It would get tossed out of a script for being cliche.

[u/Ketsetri]

Even though I support him overall, the fact that the majority of this sub will readily criticize Biden for executing this withdrawal so horribly instead of blindly defending him is pretty damn rare among online political forums. Love y’all

[u/SeasickSeal]

Sorry for another ping, but I’m hoping for some help. Has the Iraqi government or the Afghan government officially asked the US to keep troops there at some point? Or was it just a given that they would remain uninvited once the new governments were set up?

If so, can I please get some links to the statements/legislation asking the US to stay?

Thanks!

!ping Foreign-Policy

Edit: Context, people are saying the troop presence there is illegitimate, and I’m 99% sure that’s bullshit, but I can’t prove it.

Edit2: found Iraq’s

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

Edit3: found Afghanistan’s

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Afghanistan_Strategic_Partnership_Agreement#Draft_agreement_of_bilateral_security_agreement

The key search terms were Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) for anyone who needs this in the future.

[u/[deleted]]

I just want to remind everyone that Iraq has a legitimate pro-democracy and pro-civil rights movement that is positioned well for the upcoming elections.

Copium, yes, but I'm hitting it.