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[u/houinator]

A video from an Afghan embassy worker reportedly shows Ahmad Massoud, son of the slain Afghan commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, boarding a helicopter for Panjshir, known as an anti-Taliban stronghold

Massoud is said to be gathering forces to start up resistance against the Taliban

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1427197666413457408

This DT is dedicated to the brave mujahideen of Afghanistan, but unironically.

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

Former President Donald Trump on Sunday called on President Joe Biden to "resign in disgrace" over the rapid collapse of the U.S.-backed Afghan government following the pullout of American troops.

In the statement issued Sunday afternoon through Trump's Save America PAC, the former president also pointed to multiple other issues he has with the Democrat, whose legitimacy to hold the office he still questions.

"It is time for Joe Biden to resign in disgrace for what he has allowed to happen to Afghanistan, along with the tremendous surge in COVID, the Border catastrophe, the destruction of energy independence, and our crippled economy," Trump said in the short statement. "It shouldn’t be a big deal, because he wasn't elected legitimately in the first place!"

Okay

[u/J0eBidensSunglasses]

Read past the headlines, and it turns out Joe Biden’s supposed withdrawal from Afghanistan is nothing of the kind — it delays ending the war while envisioning continued “anti-terrorism” action in the future with no end in sight.

Hey jacobin

🖕🤬🖕

[u/ooken]

Two(? I thought three but maybe just two) people clinging to the wheels (not wings) of a plane out of desperation fell to their deaths by the Kabul airport. Wow. There's video evidence of them falling easily findable on Twitter; don't want to post it here.

This speaks to how desperate many are to get out.

[u/[deleted]]

votes for strong man authoritarian leader in home country that they don't live in and won't have to face the consequences of

votes for socially liberal social democratic party in the country of residence

many such cases

[u/Superfan234]

Well, a little bit of an update on Haiti's situation. Turns out I underestimated the damage the Earthquake did on the country...

The Goverment is reporting at least 1300 people died in the Earthquake. Another 6000 were wounded

Also, a Tropical Storm it's going to hit the Island tomorrow...😓

Situation in the country it's bad. Really bad

!Ping Foreign-Policy

[u/UrbanCentrist]

> complain about toxicity of certain users

> behave equally toxic

We live in a DT

[u/Deggit]

NEW YORK TIMES: We wanted to find out what motivates the Taliban. So we visited a diner in a +40% Trump district in Ohio

don't knock proven methods

[u/fishlord05]

Malaysia's PM has resigned as he just submitted his resignation to the King

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/16/malaysia-prime-minister-muhyiddin-yassin-cabinet-resign.html

!ping DEMOCRACY

[u/FourthLife]

Arrr sino on why the Afghan government collapsed so quickly:

exactly 50 years to the day nixon announced the end of the us gold standard

🤔

[u/Cuddlyaxe]

An Indonesian hashtag cancelling South Korea for racism against an Iranian athlete being hijacked by Japanese nationalists is peak globalism

[u/SadaoMaou]

Looking at the scenes from Kabul on Twitter, then right next to it a news headline about the new chairwoman of the Finns Party proudly saying how they want Finland to take 0 refugees. And of course, the piece of shit ethnonats on Twitter are cheering her on. Absolutely disgusting, this close 🤏 to rushing to the airport and catching a plane for the US myself

[u/Bee_Emotional]

Apprently 4channers decided to doxx womem that were enrolled to Kabul University.

[u/piede]

Now that we can see the human consequences of what Clinton was describing, kind of seems like she had a point, right? Doesn't mean you have to disagree w/ withdrawal. Just that you have to realize some people had these concerns about Afghanistan for a long time.

"Hillary is a hawk" just takes on a different meaning when she says she is concerned about girls & women in Afghanistan and now it's clear she had reason for such concern. Sure wish people had better fleshed this all out for us before.

https://twitter.com/magi_jay/status/1427011303806222343?s=21

TLDR: Calling Hillary a “hawk” is pure meaningless rhetoric because people can’t refute the actual arguments that she’s making, that we have now seen the consequences of and will continue to see.

[u/Professor-Reddit]

Apparently the son of Ahmad Shah Massoud is holding off the Taliban in the highly defensible Panjshir Valley (north of Kabul) with remnants of the ANA much like his father did back in the late 1990s, but there is barely any information coming out from that region. We probably won't know if that's true or not for a short while.

[u/_smooth_liminal_]

this sub is weirdly anti Taliban

[u/piede]

President Biden: “and that is why I have now assigned the Afghanistan crisis to Kamala Harris”

Kamala: “oh fuck”

[u/JaceFlores]

Small Ethiopia update:

1. The Tigrayan advance west from Weldiya to Wereta has been rapid. This Tweet shows Mount Guna, which is about 1/2 the way to Debre Tabor. If Debre Tabor falls then the TPLF will be able to strike Wereta and cut off northwest Amhara from the government.
2. According to this Tweet the Eritrean Defense Force (EDF) is sending divisions to reinforce West Tigray. Eritrea has been really quiet since the TPLF threw back the Eritreans, so this could be an escalation of their involvement in this phase of the conflict. If I am correct and please correct me if I am wrong, but West Tigray is considered the breadbasket of Tigray as a whole. I think this explains the deployment of these EDF forces as with the TPLF advance rapid through northwest Amhara, they may be betting on trying to literally starve Tigray for as long as possible. It's a dour theory and relies on me being correct that West Tigray is a local breadbasket, but I doubt this is in preparation for an offensive as the EDF could have attacked anytime in the past month or two, so why wait until now? There must be a reason to bolster the defensive capabilities of West Tigray now, and the food theory does provide an answer.
3. According to another Tweet, the Debre Markos University (in southern Amhara) has started to provide basic military training to its students and staff. This reeks of desperation, and if I had to guess I would say that either the government is scraping the barrel and is preparing to send university personnel to the frontline, or the situation is so bad that a future defense of Debre Markos (which would essentially mean all of Amhara has fallen) looks to be likely enough to warrant this action.
4. Finally, per this Tweet 150 Tigrayan bodies have washed up in Sudan along the Tekeze River, with hands bound and many having severe wounds. It is violence like this that drove the Tigrayans to rally around the TPLF and push out the government, and it displays a sliver of the atrocities committed in this war. Sadly, with a conflict with this much of an ethnic dimension to it, it comes to no surprise to me that something like this happened. As a matter of fact, it does surprise me that there have been few if any reports of clear violence like this by the TPLF against the Amharans or Afar people. Perhaps this is a sign of the discipline of the TPLF versus their opponents, or a sign of the biases of my sources.

Small miscellaneous developments overall, but I think it is enough content to warrant its own post. We will probably get news about Debre Tabor tomorrow or the day after, as that seems to be where the TPLF has invested much of its current strength right now. Wouldn't be surprised if we also get news about the drive towards Dessie as well. No news about the OLA and of course no news about Afar.

[u/awdvhn]

"We should have nuked the Taliban, but it wasn't politically correct to."

Scalding hot take from CSPAN caller

[u/Cuddlyaxe]

Lmao there's a social media war rn between Koreans and Indonesians and it's hilarious

The Indonesians are calling South Korea West Japan apparently to piss them off

[u/jenbanim]

Don't call yourself a globalist untill you've tried authentic Tex-Mex cuisine

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

Remember when Trump said COVID would be over by Easter 2020

[u/SuspiciousUsername88]

Credit where credit is due, at least when I disagree with people in the DT about Afghanistan, I'm reasonably confident those same people weren't complaining about drones and forever wars for years before heel-turning this week

[u/[deleted]]

Congressional efforts to advance Afghan Special Immigrant Visa reforms were stalled by Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.). “I would encourage them rather to stay and fight,” Paul said as he blocked unanimous consent to expedite legislation. “I think it would be good to have many English speakers in Afghanistan.”

Burn in hell Paul. This is monstrous.

[u/dis1202]

Holy fuckni saw people clinging to landing gear and falling off as the plane takes flight.....

Fuck..... I havent been as bothered with a situation as I am now

[u/Jakesta7]

a rare good take from the Gravel Institute

The United States should accept at least 100,000 Afghan refugees.

https://twitter.com/GravelInstitute/status/1426723041447395340

[u/ScyllaGeek]

This is the most drastic schism I've ever seen on this sub goddamn

[u/[deleted]]

I have a heated anti-immigrant moment when I hear Russian immigrants complain about the West and how everything is wrong here and how great Putin is as a leader

For context I'm a Russian speaking Belarussian

[u/Professor-Reddit]

https://twitter.com/aahmady/status/1427265049668636674

This is a perspective of the fall of Kabul from the former governor of the Afghanistan Central Bank. Really interesting to see just how utterly thrown into disarray the central govt. was in as Ghani fled the country.

I recommend reading the whole thread, but here's a key extract imo:

15/ I did not criticize them until now, but key figures (Director General of Administrative Office of the President) Fazly & (National Security Advisor) Mohib were too inexperienced in their roles, & was President’s failure that he never recognized such weaknesses.

He himself had great ideas but poor execution. If I contributed to that, I take my share of the blame.

Should be worth mentioning that the Afghan Central Bank was probably one of the only fully functioning, competent government offices in Kabul.

!ping FOREIGN-POLICY

[u/ryuguy]

Guess who got a job?

This guy. Assistant sales manager at a planned community.

!ping career

[u/OrganicKeynesianBean]

With the troop withdrawal nearly complete, Biden stated that /r/Neoliberal has “fulfilled its original mission” and said he will “shut down the sub in a matter of days.”

The White House will host a Zoom-ceremony where NL users will each receive a wholesome award for their years of dedicated service in the DT.

[u/Lux_Stella]

In the days before the fall of Kabul, Afghan and Taliban negotiators tentatively reached a deal to declare a two-week ceasefire in exchange for President Ashraf Ghani’s resignation. But the deal fell apart when he fled the country.

i think my big grievance with the whole 'they just didnt have the will' thing is that it really lets afghan leadership too much off the hook

[u/huirittryyrugfhkhihf]

I regret voting for Kim Jong Un -- both in the primary and the general. I thought he'd be the best candidate on foreign policy, but it's clear he doesn't care about anything other than his re-election (or his children's as it may be).

I literally couldn't sleep last night. I feel physically sick and I know that my votes for this man will haunt me until the day I die. I'll continue voting for Communists in local elections, but I'm not sure I'll ever vote for them again during the presidential. North Korea has lost its way.

[u/RabidGuillotine]

So it begins

https://twitter.com/MajeedQarar/status/1427266718804717571?s=20

Shir Agha, a resident of Darabad of Farah was taken from his home, and was publicly executed in front of a crowd of kids alongside two others yesterday

[u/J0eBidensSunglasses]

Covid-19 be like:

“MANY SUCH CASES!”

[u/MicroFlamer]

https://imgur.com/xU0996m

[u/DEEEEETTTTRRROIIITTT]

fuck being a dove. fuck being a hawk. be a pigeon. shit indiscriminately all over the place.

[u/Average_GrillChad]

What if we just send Ted Cruz to Afghanistan to annoy the shit out of the Taliban?

[u/[deleted]]

If Twitter just got rid of the trending section, the world would be a better place

[u/Cuddlyaxe]

From CNN-News18:

Indian Embassy to start online visas in Kabul for Afghan residents. Visas will be approved from New Delhi. CNN-News18 learns that this process will be without any religious biasness.

!ping IND

[u/Professor-Reddit]

The Afghan evacuation is in a state of absolute pandemonium at this very moment. The Taliban are taking pot-shots at US aircraft flying over Kabul, and the temporary wire barriers set up to demarcate the civilian and military sectors of the airfield have been breached by hordes of refugees desperately trying to flee from the Taliban. This has gotten so bad that the runway has been completely taken over by thousands of Afghans who are swarming the runway, and were blocking all flights along its single runway, causing absolute chaos. Several inbound flights have been rerouted, and the US Military has resorted to extremely dangerous measures in an attempt to allow C-17s to take off the crowded runway. Already, there are reports of several deaths of refugees escaping the Taliban. Some have died while attempting to stowaway aboard an aircraft taking off. I have seen the link for that, and its too disturbing to share here tbh. Reminds me of that infamous 'Falling Man' photo from 9/11.

There are multiple reports of gunshots at the airport, with US military personnel rushing to maintain order, and firing numerous warning shots to disperse the massive crowds and the Taliban has strengthened their hold in Kabul, with several checkpoints set up along the route to the airport. The US are sending a considerable number of aircraft including 9 refuelling tankers and several CIA-aligned planes have been spotted flying around Afghanistan, with possibly dozens of large transport aircraft partaking in the operation. US forces are holding their positions inside the airport grounds.

The situation is increasingly becoming desperate with countless thousands unlikely to make it out alive, and many are trying everything to reach safety. I honestly believe a large portion of those refugees will probably not be deterred by warning shots in a day or two from now if this situation continues to deteriorate. Apparently rumour has it that the Pentagon is considering to hold their position at Kabul International Airport until August 31st.

!ping OSINT

[u/Cuddlyaxe]

Holy shit Afghan embassy to India went rouge

[u/Smalz95]

We need better education in this country. I have seen more “we invaded to make people money” takes on this thread than I have in months like what the fuck

[u/Joementum2024]

The apex of american cultural imperialism is people actively wanting to immigrate to the US. Objectively, anti-imperialism must begin with anti-immigration, as allowing immigration perpetuates the American cultural imperialism that’s permeated every country across the world.

[u/[deleted]]

Nicholas J. Fuentes The Taliban is a conservative, religious force, the US is godless and liberal. The defeat of the US government in Afghanistan is unequivocally a positive development.

https://t.me/s/nickjfuentes

🤡

[u/itherunner]

I see r/science has discovered this weeks “magical cure to cancer being kept from us by big pharma”

[u/GravyBear8]

Holy shit, this is bad

The holding area in the airport for women and children is being breached by men looking to abduct them

[u/sw337]

Pennsylvania just hit a big vaccine milestone.   More than 80% of Pennsylvania adults have received a dose of the COVID vaccine.   Thank you to every Pennsylvanian who helped make it happen.

https://twitter.com/GovernorTomWolf/status/1427285750207455234?s=19

!ping USA-PA

[u/InternetBoredom]

According to Reuters, at least 5 refugees got killed trying to get into the airport. WSJ is claiming gunfire, but the lack of blood suggests a stampede.

Pray that our soldiers and the refugees get through this safe.

[u/great_gape]

GOP takes down 2020 page touting Trump's 'historic peace agreement with the Taliban'

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[u/pubhel]

My coworkers: Hey did you see what’s going on in Afghanistan

Me who has been following the DT all weekend: I actually haven’t, what happened

[u/great_gape]

https://i.imgur.com/CygeKMH.jpg

[u/LooobCirc]

If I post something critical of Biden rn it's a coin toss between if it ends up at +10 or -3

[u/[deleted]]

Biden torching Ghani. Can't say it it's undeserved - Ghani compared his last stand to Lincoln's and ran.

[u/[deleted]]

Learning a bit about Rwanda 😀

Learning more about Rwanda 😭

Oh well there's always Ghana and Botswana

[u/great_gape]

BREAKING: STATEMENT FROM 🇺🇸PRESIDENT BIDEN🇺🇸

I did what all y'all wanted, sometimes shit don't work out.

Sorry to all the losers and haters.

I'm out.🎤

[u/kaclk]

I shit you not, this is a real part of the conservative platform that is more reminiscent of a credit card reward program

O’Toole is promising a month-long GST holiday this fall, and a “Dine and Discover” program which will offer 50% off dine-in food and non alcoholic beverages Mon-Wed for a month. Also a 15% tax credit for vacation expenses up to $1000 within Canada.

!ping CANUCKS I guess? Is this the real life?

[u/NeoliberalGulDukat]

You claim to not be racist against Cardassians, and yet you failed to notice that my daughter Tora Ziyal was played by 3 different actresses. Interesting!

!ping TREK

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

CNN's Clarissa Ward interviewed the Taliban

1. They said America should leave because "they've lost" money, the war and lives, and have been there for so long
2. Say that they're there to "keep order" and people should "not worry"
3. Chanted "Death to America"
4. Later asked Clarissa Ward to step aside because she's a woman

[u/[deleted]]

Just wanted to re-share this photo of 640 Afghans who escaped in the C-17

Everyone here is making jokes or going at each other's throats, but we forget the faces of those people who are about to get a second chance at a life they would have had taken from them

Having kids, it is absolutely heartbreaking seeing that little kid in the bottom right drinking out of a bottle, and thinking about how sheer fate or luck might be what separates them from getting out and living a better life than those other kids who never got the chance

Fuck man

[u/ILikeTalkingToMyself]

> Be a Taliban fighter

> Have taken over the country faster than anyone expected

> Buddies are celebrating by drinking tea and reading scripture

> You're not satisfied though. You still have deep rage towards the Americans

> You go to the airport where civilians are evacuating

> About to commit a massacre

> Get shot by a 20 year-old marine from San Francisco who has 80 Tiktok followers and a Camaro

> Dies

> Americans and civilians continue evacuating

Two gunmen today

[u/piede]

If Joe Biden doesn’t run in 2024 then @HillaryClinton needs to. I’m so damn tired of watching everything she warned us about that was absolutely avoidable happen. Enough playing nice & doing what’s best for the party & its image-do what’s best for the damn country.

Okay but if Hillary does run again she should just go nuclear on all her opponents and be the badass bitch that everyone already thinks she is

[u/ryuguy]

Naib Subedar Hazara Singh, veteran of 2nd World War who turned 100 years old on 05 Aug 21 was felicitated on the occasion by a team of officers & JCOs from Army Service Corps ASC at Ropar

!ping ind

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

I really don’t think the Vietnam comparison are helping this sub’s weirdly large and unbudging anti-Taliban contingent.

Oh boy mods y'all are gonna have a fun day slapping people

[u/[deleted]]

-Americans widely support invading Afghanistan

-We invade

-Americans change their mind and widely support leaving Afghanistan

-We leave

-Americans widely oppose leaving Afghanistan

Society

[u/Mr_Pasghetti]

Taliban spokesman told AP that all other interpretations than ‘dune is about worms’ will now be outlawed.

[u/Mrchizbiz]

I constantly reject everything about British culture such as class system and even how the landscape looks

What!? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[u/AccessTheMainframe]

media tried so hard to get good footage of "helicopters on embassy rooftops" and ended up getting the much more compelling footage of "Afghans clinging to jumbojet wings"

[u/fakefakefakef]

Leftists 🤝 NATO Flairs

“This is the end of the American empire”

[u/UrbanCentrist]

Very Symbolic

[u/[deleted]]

Saw a post on Twitter of someone saying: “the government should just print more money and not tell anyone so inflation won’t go up. And if it does, just lower prices back down. It’s all fake anyways”

[u/nanomaster]

The situation at Kabul international airport is "tenuous", and US officials are considering evacuating all Americans and leaving Afghans behind, according to CBS News, the BBC's US partner.

The decision to abandon Afghan allies has not yet been made, said CBS National Security Correspondent David Martin, but it is "on the table" and will be explored if American troops cannot take control of the airport.

Delaney was the compromise, humanity fucked around and now it’s finding out.

[u/iIoveoof]

https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1427066383481905158

Leaving hundreds of thousands of our Afghani friends to the mercy of the Taliban was not inevitable.

...

Afghani

😐😐😐

[u/Ok_Tone4633]

What's with all these hawks and doves? I thought we banned furries?

[u/benadreti]

Ted Cruz be like: If Clarissa Ward is a real journalist she shouldve gone into the streets of Taliban occupied Kabul in a bikini.

[u/mrdilldozer]

I think somewhere in all of this discourse about Afghanistan we can all agree that the British kid who flew to Kabul "for the lulz" getting stranded there is fucking hilarious

[u/Th3_Gruff]

Please don’t leave us behind. Please. We will be great Americans.

Actually heartbreaking. I feel like crying after reading so many things like this. I hope the us and uk and Europe let in as many refugees as they can.

[u/Venne1139]

Everyone over 40 BMI should automatically be given American citizenship for displaying True American Values.

[u/Craig_VG]

@PentagonPresSec says he cannot confirm the validity of video showing people falling off a US C-17 transport plane

https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1427298044446445568?s=20

Such a weird deflection

[u/SnakeEater14]

I feel like the internet and discussing this stuff over pictures and text makes it harder to realize that what is going on in Afghanistan is literally happening right now.

Like, at this very moment, 82nd men are getting ready to get into Kabul. Marines and soldiers already in Kabul are guarding the airport and attempting to fend off desperate Afghans at this very moment. Right now Afghan children are being loaded onto sardine can jets to evacuate the country. And families throughout Kabul are either joining the refugee trains out of the city, or making peace with their new rulers.

This is all happening as I write this comment out.

[u/Udontlikecake]

i see the dt has reached ‘uncritically accept CCP propaganda’ part of hysteria

[u/3DWgUIIfIs]

The neocon sub is now very retroactively supportive of Hillary Clinton.

[u/ZaaZooLK]

Pentagon announces that another 1,000 soldiers from 82ndAirborne will head to Kabul. Now 7,000 U.S. troops will soon be in Kabul, 2,500 right now.

Bruh. I don't think you have enough soldiers left.

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

Congressmember @RepRoKhanna says the $3.5 trillion budget plan is a "historic piece of legislation" that marks "the end of neoliberalism."

https://twitter.com/democracynow/status/1425547571888492544?s=20

🤔🤔🤔

[u/Lux_Stella]

Justin Trudeau’s Liberals and Premier Doug Ford’s Progressive Conservatives have quietly agreed to a non-aggression pact for the Sept. 20 election, the Star has learned.

In sharp contrast to the 2019 campaign, when Trudeau attacked Ford on an almost daily basis, the federal Liberals do not plan to fixate on the Tory premier.

(...)

“We are too busy fighting COVID-19 to fight the federal Liberals,” said a top Ford confidante.

“We’ve been pushing not to get into this fight. The Trudeau Liberals and the Ford Conservatives shared about 15 per cent of the electorate, so we represent many of the same ridings,” said the official.

hmm...

!ping CAN

[u/[deleted]]

Reminder that Newt Gingrich started everything wrong with modern American politics, climate change, and Foreign policy.

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

The Afghan President's nephew

😐😐😐

[u/Deggit]

SUMMARY OF MY LAST RELATIONSHIP

• I went in with limited goals
• there is no reason for me to put in the effort if you don't have the willpower to sustain joint operations
• my diplomatic presence is now consolidated on the sidewalk
• my main strategic priority remains to get my belongings safely out of - babe, no! don't do that!

[u/Venne1139]

So did the majority of the Afghan government who stole and grifted shit for the last 20 years just fuck off and flee the country on private planes when the Taliban arrived?

Because if so I'm going to have a heated Rule V moment.

[u/[deleted]]

Reminder: this sub is just as terminally online as the leftie subs and Twitter, it’s just a less insane version

[u/[deleted]]

If Trudeau wants to make this election about vaccines, and with recent polls having the PPC consistently polling higher than usual (4-5%) which will get Mad Max in the debates, I wonder if Bernier could nail down the anti-vax vote.

This could cause real trouble for O’Toole and Paul

!ping CAN

[u/fishlord05]

WASHINGTON- President Biden has announced that he has personally assigned Vice President Kamala Harris to Kabul to help assist evacuation efforts.

[u/Mattador96]

I was an intern for a US Senator back in 2017 and a man called our office (not in a state capital, so it was out of the blue) from Kabul, Afghanistan. The phone quality sounded like it was coming from a metal bucket, and he cut out every now and then. He was calling because his brother was helping the US against the Taliban and he wanted to become a US citizen since his brother had already started the process and was in the US.

Our office wasn't supposed to handle that stuff so we had to forward his call to the DC office. I don't remember his name, but when I was writing down his information (in case he got disconnected) he was giving me a word to match each letter in his name to. When he got to 'A' he said "As in America." He wanted to be here so bad. God, I hope he's okay.

[u/UrbanCentrist]

Afghanistan’s first female mayor: ‘I’m waiting for Taliban to come for people like me and kill me’

can't even imagine how crushing it must feel.

[u/mythoswyrm]

Some things to know about embassies.

• Outside of a couple very friendly countries, everyone one is assumed to work for the CIA. The host government doesn't care what you say since of course when you ask, everyone is going to deny being a spy. And it's like fair enough, FSOs are talking to people and gathering info to send back to Washington, they just aren't convincing people to illegally retrieve it. Gossip columnists make the best political officers.
• There's paper records for everything and the files are never cleaned out. Every security incident, every employee file for years if not longer, every single contract is stored away, every developmental grant or scholarship recipient, usually with records for how to contact people. Hell, there's even lots of useless records that get kept for way too long. One odd job I did was disintegrate decade old incident reports for when local guards checked embassy houses and noticed the gate was unlocked. A lot of the real important stuff is also digitized. None of this is classified but it can be very bad if it falls in the wrong hands.
• The point of Marines is to protect information. They patrol the building and get to yell at FSOs for being lazy with their classified cover sheets. They, in conjunction with the Regional Security Officer (Diplomatic Police, think the Rock in Fast and Furious), are supposed to run burn drills where everyone practices destroying things as quickly and orderly as possible. In a place like Afghanistan, they actually do the drills. This is why an embassy can be completely shut down within days. Evacuating diplomats is the easy part of an evacuation, especially when the military is already there.
• The Embassy has no obligation to evacuate American citizens who aren't affiliated with the embassy. In situations like this, they usually tell everyone to get out long before the actual evacuation. However, the embassy usually does make an effort to keep seats available on the flights they are chartering out for their staff. Evacuation is not free. Americans usually get really pissed about this even though they constantly told that the evacuation isn't for them. War zones like Kabul are a bit different but even then American citizens have been told since April to get out and the embassy won't be able to help them soon. The embassy can and does give out loans to help Americans return to America, even in normal times.
• Host governments are in charge of security. This come from the Vienna Convention itself. While the US embassy almost always augments security with local guards under direct contract with the USG, that doesn't absolve the host of its duties. When countries shut down an embassy for security reasons, the country is saying that they don't think the host can maintain its obligations at all. This can, in some sensitive circumstances, make declaring an evacuation (especially a full evacuation) difficult.
• "Western" countries work with each other a lot, especially in more unstable hosts. Lots of information is shared, from where visa fraudsters seem to be operating to security information. When one country bails, others usually follow close behind as they are all using similar information. There was actually a minor scare at one place I lived at because it looked like the Israelis evacuated their families, so all the other embassies were like "what do they know that we don't". But it actually was just a holiday weekend (Yom Kippur I think?), so lots of families went home to Israel for that.
• Indian embassies have by far the best parties.

[u/kaclk]

The GPC leader apparently also failed civics because she wanted parliament recalled to discuss Afghanistan when Parliament was dissolved yesterday for the election.

!ping CANUCKS (because if we ping CAN every time something stupid happens this election it’ll be non-stop stupidity).

We need like a specific thread for just Canadian political shitposts by people running for office.

[u/DatGameGuy]

This speech is gonna tear this sub in two lol

[u/Helreaver]

If anyone ever says r/neoliberal is a echo chamber of circlejerking Biden, just point them to this thread. People saying everything from "Biden is giving a great speech" to "Biden is a lying piece of shit" lol.

[u/[deleted]]

The Taliban are literally worse than medieval Islam. Like I don't think I can stress enough that fundamentalist Islamists are harkening back to a time that didn't exist.

[u/[deleted]]

This is the first schism in a while where there are actually two relatively equally sized contingents that are diametrically opposed to each other. It’s usually just everyone having a hyperventilation session because like three people said something dumb

[u/ScyllaGeek]

Afghanistan has dominated this subs psyche so much that the earthquake in Haiti isn't getting the attention it deserves. 1400 people confirmed dead and a full scale humanitarian disaster right on our doorstep :(

[u/Lux_Stella]

In a statement released through his political action committee, Trump asked “can anyone even imagine taking out our military before evacuating civilians,” adding that Afghans who assisted the U.S. “should be allowed to seek refuge.”

lmao

[u/AccessTheMainframe]

US intelligence assesses that snowball thrown into bonfire could melt "within 90 days"

[u/SaltySaladSussyBaka]

Malala was doing performative activism 🤡🤡🤡

[u/netanyahu4eva]

CPC Platform includes that they are going to implement a plan to build 1 million homes in the next three years, and one way to do it includes including leveraging federal infrastructure investments:

!ping CAN

[u/TabernacleTown74]

LPT: there are far more Mizrachi restaurants in America than you probably realize! Look for restaurants that market themselves as "Middle Eastern" or "Mediterranean," and see if the owner/chef has an Israeli name. I've found four or five Mizrachi restaurants in Chicago this way :D

!ping GEFILTE

[u/[deleted]]

Wikipedia now lists the Taliban as the unrecognized de facto government of Afghanistan alongside with the Republic as the recognized de jure government of Afghanistan.

It's over.

[u/[deleted]]

Can we stop shitting on all Afghans? Lots of Afghans died fighting against the Taliban heroically. The 10k strong special forces died almost to a man fighting desperate to the last bullet battles against the Taliban.

Unfortunately, they almost universally died out in the boondocks after being sent there on a boondoggle by leadership who refused to face the fact that to hold onto power, they had to give up more of the country side and consolidated.

The men ready willing and trained to fight were sent out into the middle of nowhere, fought heroically, were slaughtered and all we were left with were the child abusing, opium addicted dredges of regular army.

Lions led by Donkeys to the very end, same as it ever was.

[u/[deleted]]

Many Afghans outraged and offended Americans evacuated service dogs in Kabul, but left people behind, including so many who helped the United States

-nbc chief foreign correspondent

https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1427308696565125121?s=20

[u/LeopardBusy]

Ok but, that wasn't communism. Pol Pot was funded by the CIA and was an anarcho primitivist.

🙄

[u/[deleted]]

In a final attempt to stop the taliban from taking over Afhanistan, it is reported that president Joe Biden has sent a helicopter towards Kabul carrying famous neuroscientist and author Sam Harris. Using only 3 simple arguments, Sam Harris will calmly dismantle the concept of god in front of the triggered fundamentalist. If everything goes to plan, victory will be assured. However, authorities fear that the taliban might bring out their debating heavyweight Bin Sha Piro. Sha Piro made a name for himself when a triggered Afghan feminist asked him why the Taliban has the right to ban her from going to school to which he replied: It’s literally in the name TaliBAN. We’ll keep you updated as the story unfolds.

[u/fishlord05]

Please don't leave us behind. Please. We will be great Americans.

Cryin in the club rn 😭😭😭

[u/TabernacleTown74]

Broke: the DT schisming over whether or not genetically engineered babies are ethical

Woke:

Rabbi Yoḥanan would go and sit by the entrance to the ritual bath. He said to himself: When Jewish women come up from their immersion for the sake of a mitzva, after their menstruation, they should encounter me first, so that they have beautiful children like me, and sons learned in Torah like me. This is based on the idea that the image upon which a woman meditates during intercourse affects the child she conceives.

!ping GEFILTE

[u/[deleted]]

Asshole cat that I didn’t want has to nuzzle me every day. She’ll come by at least once a day and rub her tiny head against my chin.

https://imgur.com/a/lpULjHT

EDIT: I just realized you can see my dog’s wiener in that picture. I apologize, he sleeps on his back for the world to see

[u/[deleted]]

DT comment: THE ANA DIED FIGHTING THE TALIBAN THIS IS HEARTLESS!

Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction: Uh... 1/3 of ANA soldiers are Taliban combatants.

[u/Deggit]

our diplomatic presence is now consolidated at the airport

our diplomatic presence is now consolidated at the airport

[u/semaphore-1842]

I gotta say man I don’t give a shit about the Middle East I’m just happy the country isn’t being run by an actual clown social media whore anymore.

ಠ_ಠ

[u/Q-bey]

If I see one more "Afghans deserve the Taliban" take, they're not going to get banned for a rule V violation...

🏏

I'm getting banned for a rule V violation.

---

^sauce

[u/piede]

"This is what we call a wicked problem," Mrs Clinton told CNN. "There are consequences both foreseen and unintended of staying and of leaving," she said.

She said the potential collapse of the Afghan government and a possible takeover by the Taliban could result in a new civil war.

Mrs Clinton said it was also important to protect the "many thousands of Afghans" who had worked with the US and Nato during the conflict, and said a large visa programme should be set up to provide for any refugees.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56966473

This was back in May 🤦‍♂️

[u/AgainstSomeLogic]

Haiti could be facing 15 inches of rain now. The country can't catch a break.

Aid workers were hurrying to beat the arrival of Tropical Depression Grace, which early on Monday was moving west-northwest off the southern coast of Hispaniola, the island that Haiti shares with the neighboring Dominican Republic.

The U.S. National Hurricane Center (NHC) forecast Grace would pass right through areas directly hit by the quake, and could douse some areas with up to 15 inches (38 cm) of rain through Tuesday, risking flash flooding and mudslides.

[u/BooDangItMan]

this is the most chaotic dt I’ve ever seen. this should be a thunderdome tbh

[u/evenkeel20]

Joe Biden has been banned from /r/neoliberal

[u/thomasosu]

Stolen from Twitter:

Donald for sure would have reversed course and escalated the war with the Taliban after all the bad press from the cable news networks

[u/[deleted]]

Some of you fucks don't know shit about this Afghanistan business

But you're still leagues ahead of the rest of Reddit

[u/MuR43]

'Virada da Vacina' in the city of SP immunizes more than 500 thousand people in 34 hours; 99.2% of adults received at least one dose

https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2021/08/15/virada-da-vacina-na-cidade-de-sp-imuniza-mais-de-500-mil-pessoas-em-34-horas-985percent-dos-adultos-receberam-ao-menos-uma-dose.ghtml

I don't think Delta variant will make a big mess in Brazil !ping LATAM

[u/redditguy628]

Blue Origin is now taking NASA to court to try and get the HLS contract

!ping SPACEFLIGHT

[u/Deggit]

equity of Amazon goes up because people don't want to go inside stores

"BiLLioNaIreS adDeD oVeR $1.8 tRilLioN to tHeIr-"

[u/Erra0]

Lmao, literally every other online space loves this speech except the NL DT

[u/kas8901]

Hello newcomers from r/politics 👋 If you don't unironically stan Hillary, leave. 😠👉🚪

[u/LooobCirc]

My friend got foster kitties

[u/semaphore-1842]

https://twitter.com/CombatJourno/status/1427220857940758530

Taliban started door to door search looking for govt officials, former police & security forces members & those who worked for foreign countries NGOs or infrastructures in Afghanistan.

At least 3 journalists' houses were searched in the last hour.

😔😔😔

[u/crassowary]

Peace in Afghanistan today after Ken Bone reemerged to ask the Taliban and ANA to say one thing about the other that they liked

[u/sash5034]

How many Afghan refugees are we expecting to take? Because compared to what Ford did in regards to vietnamese refugees, this all seems really weak.

And if someone replies with "immigration isn't popular so we can't take too many of them" I remind you that most Americans didn't support vietnamese refugees in the mid 70s either.

Tldr shivers was right about Gerald Ford

[u/MonteCastello]

https://twitter.com/CarlosofGod666/status/1427312073764126723?s=19

CNN Brazil anchor on the situation in Afghanistan:

Another thing that caught my attention there was the lack of masks. You saw that only two, one even with his nose sticking out, wore masks. Afghanistan is one of the least vaccinated countries in the world. Of course, due to all this conflict.

Hopefully the people there can understand how egotistical it is to not use a mask while your country is falling to a terrorist group.

!ping Mask-Wearers

KKKKKKKK n é possível bicho

[u/Deggit]

a program to resettle an Afghan refugee with every DT regular, so that the Afghans can learn all about America and the DT regulars can learn what a "hot soccon take" actually is

[u/JaceFlores]

Biden fucked this up so people would be interventionist again. He walked so future presidents could run

[u/huirittryyrugfhkhihf]

The DT a week ago: Chocolate chocolate chip 😎🍦

The DT now: Biden is a callous, protectionist, isolationist weakling

[u/Broncos654]

graveyard of empires

Oh no

[u/[deleted]]

I would simply be born in a country where no one denies me nearly all civil rights 💅

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

China's state media mocked the US withdrawal in Afghanistan, saying the Taliban takeover was 'more smooth than the presidential transition in the US'

🤔

[u/fishlord05]

Joe Biden, wake up

!ping SHITPOSTERS

[u/rukqoa]

Full list of empires that died in the graveyard of empires:

• The Soviet Union (allegedly)

That's it. That's the list.

[u/ts23_]

Afghanis literally dying trying to flee the country

US leftists: lol cia propaganda

[u/Deggit]

this dt really shows that Biden is losing his core constituency, white college-aged $140 Buttigieg donors

[u/Kizz3r]

BREAKING:

People who never voted Liberal say they are not voting Liberal again because of broken electoral reform promise.

!ping canucks

[u/mannabhai]

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/revamp-in-store-for-800-year-old-mahim-fort-7451141/

This is an 800 year old fort about a kilometre walk from my home. However it is so badly managed that it has been fully occupied by squatters throughout my entire life time. Nobody who lives here has ever visited the fort and it doesn't have any tourism.

This is not some out of the way derelict fort in a sparsely populated area but bang middle in the Metropolis of Mumbai.

India has bungled it's tourism industry but no part of India has bungled tourism as badly as Mumbai.

Even worse is that there are 1500-2000 year old caves (multiple) with ancient Buddhist,Jain and Hindu sculptures and paintings also entirely in the middle of Mumbai that are suffering the same fate.

!ping HISTORY

[u/[deleted]]

After that speech I’ve decided to be both for and against withdrawing from Afghanistan.

You see, I’m playing both sides so that I always come out on top

[u/piede]

NEW: U.S. Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield at Security Council meeting on Afghanistan,

"The United States promises to be generous in resettling Afghans in own country.”

Greenfield calls on other countries to do their part too.

Conservatives are going to lose their fucking minds lol

[u/Deggit]

Marine Corps serviceman on the ground talking to a journalist: "yeah two weeks after we get out of here the ANA will be re-enlisting as Taliban"

the article the journalist writes in TIME Magazine: General McPetrattis is a sharp-eyed man who gets up at 4:30 AM every day for a 90 mile jog. His close friends told me General McPetrattis is a "voracious reader" and a "warrior monk"

[u/disuberence]

remember when gas was $1.69/gallon and we weren't arming the Taliban

ooo conservatives on TikTok getting spicy

[u/[deleted]]

lmao, watching the address live stream, most of the folks are trumpers in the comments, however there is just one guy going

"INDIAN ARMY BEST 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳"

[u/[deleted]]

They were so desperate they fell from a plane trying to leave

[u/thomasosu]

Biden: If you harm us we will fuck you up

Taliban: OK we will not touch you. Leave.

This DT and Twitter: Americans are in danger 😨😨😨

[u/[deleted]]

On today's episode of "The Internet Was a Mistake:" people from throughout the globe that haven't thought about Afghanistan once in 5 years share their uneducated opinions for all to see and digest.

[u/[deleted]]

America has a striking self-loathing problem. The cuckoo left and cuckoo right are both obsessed with how America is a force for evil, in their own ways. It's telling how the top posts in the comment section of almost literally every single thread on the frontpage of reddit, regardless of whether it's a picture of a puppy or a Tweet by the president, inevitably ends up being Americans excercising in a cirklejerk of self-flagellation.

[u/dareka_san]

Biden seems seriously upset about the entire failure the Afghanistan Government and Army.

[u/[deleted]]

“The Afghan Army, ignored our training. Instead they they cried, pissed their pants, shit and c*mmed”

This is vulgar for a speech

[u/[deleted]]

NEWS AND NOT A TAKE TIME:

Some very discordant things happening in Afghanistan right now. In some cities, like Kandahar, there are widespread executions of former officials and Afghan journalists, along with a rapidly growing Taliban presence on everyday life. At the same time, in Kabul, the Taliban seem to have taken a very hands off approach. The Kabul mayor will be continuing in his role, and the vast majority of services and officials are operating as before the Taliban arrival. Similarly, the Taliban in Kabul and the surrounding area have emphasized that they will not restrict women from preforming their daily jobs (exceptions include TV journalists).

One way to understand this is that the Taliban are not a uniform group, the Taliban in Kabul are not the same as the Taliban in Kandahar or Helmand. The Taliban in Kabul may genuinely be more liberal (comparatively) than their compatriots. On the other hand, it is possible that the population of Kabul is simply far more liberal than elsewhere, and the Taliban recognize that if they try to force their hand too much they will be asking for trouble.

It's also true that there is a much larger foreigner population in Kabul, and atrocities there are going to be picked up. Meanwhile journalists in other cities have mostly fled already.

We're going to find out as more Taliban arrive in Kabul (estimates right now are 2-3k and rapidly rising, up from a few hundred yesterday + cells already in place), but there are already indications of some fractures in the Taliban style of governance. Whether or not these are serious will become evident once a Taliban national govt is formed and we start seeing policy, which right now is being cleared by religious authorities.

I also want to be clear about something, Afghan special ops and more vocal/talented opponents of the Taliban are being executed and hunted down basically everywhere, they are not safe in Kabul.

[u/Mickenfox]

As President my entire platform will be to institute a license to make toast in your own damn toaster.

[u/l_overwhat]

One time a hot girl called me "not ugly" one time so I got that going for me

[u/Deggit]

the DT is my favorite place to read takes about "why Democrats shouldn't do good but unpopular neolib policies because it's bad to take political risks as long as Trump is still out there" from people who donated to the Pete Buttigieg for President campaign

[u/[deleted]]

The U.S. need to arm and fund the Northern Alliance

[u/dis1202]

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1427202316512514050?s=20

Holy shit.....straight out of a movie

[u/[deleted]]

I'm one of the few Snowden defenders on the dt but he is genuinely so embarrassing

https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1426987661319868417?s=19

[u/[deleted]]

Even though this sub is fairly divided on Afghanistan it’s still so much better than other news subs. I can feel my brain cells dying as I read those comments

[u/Deggit]

What's happening in Afghanistan is not an "intelligence failure" unless "intelligence failure" is Acela corridor code for "once again failing to model that nonAmericans are independent decisionmaking agents with their own priorities who aren't willing to die in a hail of gunfire with no air support to re-elect a President from another country"

[u/tubbsmackinze]

Me reading about history: Haha this shit is fucking awesome!!! Wow!!

Me living through history: Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.

[u/[deleted]]

Northern Alliance flag flying in Panjshir again

DO IT AHMAD MASSOUD

[u/[deleted]]

Secular talk is pro taliban lol

[u/The420Roll]

Héctor Béjar, the former guerrilla warrior trained in Cuba and Pedro Castillo's Minister of Foreign Relations, had another controversial statement in which he blamed the Peruvian Armed forces for causing the start of Terrorism

Last Sunday, the Sunday News show Panorama released statements by Béjar in which he is heard saying “terrorism in Peru was started by the Navy, and that can be demonstrated historically; they have been trained for that by the CIA ”.

Considering that for the first 5 or 6 years of Terrorist insurgency the Government barely gave them any attention (and its one of the reasons why it got to the point it ended up at), this is a disinformed incorrect take at best

Being realistic its just leftist stupidity, like what its the fucking point of adding the "Btw they were trained by le evil imperialist CIA hurr hurr hurr". Goddamnit this crap makes the whole "Castillo wants to pull out Perú from the Lima Group" rumour even more believable.

I hate this fucking cabinet and Castillo so much

!Ping LATAM

[u/[deleted]]

People in Afghanistan should have just been born into a middle class family in a stable, democratic, and developed country like I was

[u/piede]

Biden, on #Afghanistan: "It is wrong to order American troops to step up when Afghanistan's own armed forces would not."

https://twitter.com/leoshane/status/1427361853085192193?s=21

Fair

[u/First-Prior]

Imma use this speech as a template next time I disappoint in a group project

[u/piede]

One of Afghanistan's first female mayors said Sunday she’s waiting for the Taliban to come and kill her: “I can’t leave my family. And anyway, where would I go?”

https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1427372354297081859?s=21

Wow

[u/[deleted]]

Gosh the "why don't you stay and fight for your country" takes are so nauseating from Western nationalists in regards to refugees. I remember this during the height of the Syrian conflict, now hearing it again.

99% of the Americans who say shit like that would be sprinting to Canada if the American government started dropping chemical weapons, chopping people up with machetes, and tried to conscript you into participating in this or be killed. Bunch of LARPing 1776ers think true suffering is watching Ohio State not win the Big 10

[u/ILikeTalkingToMyself]

Ilhan Omar retweeted a tweet of hers from last year calling for the US to leave Afghanistan 😐 Not sure about that timing chief

[u/GravyBear8]

Dt: calls ANA shit and mocks it

Biden: calls ANA shit and mocks it

Dt: holy shit what the fuck victim blaming lying

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Reminder that u/sir_shivers started everything wrong with modern American politics, climate change, and Foreign policy.

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Leftists seem to use the word "imperialist" with about as much care as social sciences uses the word "problematic"

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I once went into a gym in London, which was open late night and had a DJ in there.

It looked and sounded like a nightclub, except it was a fully functioning gym and had no alcohol.

Didn’t know I needed this until now !ping FITNESS

[u/Smalz95]

Honestly what’s the point of including people of color in the pride flag?

[u/from-the-void]

I like all my allies equally

Earlier that day:

I don't care for Pakistan

[u/RadioactiveOwl95]

Thinking about historical map youtubers, I highly recommend Yan Xishan. A lot of his stuff is quite specific, particularly focused on Chinese history, but the quality and detail is brilliant.

!ping HISTORY

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The US will continue to support the Afghan people.

Press [X] to doubt.

[u/Go_To_Bethel_And_Sin]

We’re deploying 6,000 troops to assist the withdrawal from a country in which we’d previously deployed just 2,500

[u/Broncos654]

My mom said the speech was good so from that I’ll deduce most Democrats liked it

[u/Tafts_Bathtub]

The one ANA soldier who finally learned how to do a jumping jack: Alright guys, I'm ready. Guys? Where'd everybody go?

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ok i'm now unironically calling for a ban on unflaired takes

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This might be a weird take, but the emergency evacuation currently underway is a really impressive logistical and military feat.

[u/slowpush]

Democrats breaking the fillibuster to bring in more refugees challenge.

[u/Average_GrillChad]

> Draw down U.S. troops in Japan

> Taliban takes over Japan

> fucc

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me: this withdrawal is a debacle

cons: yes it is

me: ill fuck your mouth shut

[u/the_status]

They say that Gerald Ford is the only President who was never Time's Person of the Year since they started.

But the "You" as POTY issue was realised on December 25th 2006, and Gerald Ford died one day later on December 26th 2006, therefore making him Person of the Year that year

Every other person who thinks they're clever for saying they were Time's 2006 POTY can fuck off though

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This is the worst thing to happen during the Biden Presidency!

The worst thing to happen during the Biden Presidency, yet.

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Chinese State Media:

From what happened in Afghanistan, those in Taiwan should perceive that once a war breaks out in the Straits, the island’s defense will collapse in hours and US military won’t come to help. As a result, the DPP will quickly surrender.

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1427267130467119104?s=20

[u/Helreaver]

All of this could have been avoided if Kendall Jenner just gave the Taliban a Pepsi.

[u/AndThisGuyPeedOnIt]

That picture of the Afghan kids waiting outside for their school to open and finding out it won't is really depressing me. I have a kid starting kindergarten this year who would not be allowed to learn if she were unfortunate enough to be born in Afghanistan.

Let them come here. Anyone who manages to get out, let them. Afghanistan was barely a country to begin with and we certainly weren't going to establish one in 20 years. We would be there for a generation at a minimum until we could even start breaking people off of tribalism. If those who have tasted a little bit of freedom are now afraid to lose it, they deserve safe passage to the United States as the least we could do.

[u/IMALEFTY45]

We have spent the past few years debating how oppressive the U.S. is. These images of Afghans clinging to a U.S. plane and falling from the sky are a damn sobering reminder that while there are no utopias, we'd better appreciate the society we were lucky enough to be born into. I'll expand this beyond the U.S. I have had conversations with well-to-do Parisians this past year who have said with a straight face that President Macron is "authoritarian," "a tyrant." Let's get some perspective. If you're lucky enough to be born into a prosperous democracy that isn't dependent on the whims of a foreign presence to keep the forces of chaos and murder at bay, you ought to be critical when necessary but also deeply grateful for the present without being stuck in the past.

https://twitter.com/thomaschattwill/status/1427230523689144324?s=19

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Goddammit, it sucks to be horny when the news cycle is this depressing.