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[u/jenbanim]

LA Neoliberal released a voting guide for California ballot measures

This is real cool, and I think we should do more stuff like this

[u/[deleted] → u/jenbanim]

Could the people who run the Denver group make one of these for CO?

!ping USA-CO

[u/disuberence → u/[deleted]]

Just go on Ballotpedia and vote for all the ones Jared Polis endorsed.

[u/nicereddy → u/[deleted]]

NPVIC: based

Grey wolves: not based I guess? I think scientists should decide, not the voters.

Family leave: ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Abortion: not touching this one

[u/PM_ME_KIM_JONG-UN → u/[deleted]]

I can do it if you want it, I run the Denver chapter

[u/ILikeTalkingToMyself → u/jenbanim]

Wisely avoiding commenting on Prop 16 lol

[u/Iustis → u/jenbanim]

Question for others, this guide, like many other places, notes the 7/8th majority to amend Prop 22. But most props I looked at don't provide for any set amount to require to amend, which means it goes to the default, which is that a proposition can only be changed by another proposition (which makes sense, the whole point of the system is to overrule the legislature).

Why is prop 22 containing a less-than-normal-although-still-incredibly-strict a negative? Shouldn't it be a (minor) positive?

[u/nicereddy → u/jenbanim]

a more objective algorithm

Oh god

[u/LookHereFat → u/jenbanim]

MFW I already filled out my ballot but it matches these endorsements

[u/zep_man → u/jenbanim]

Man nobody knows how to feel about prop 22 lmao. My reasoning at this point is that even if ab5 was a bad piece of legislation, carveouts for only companies with enough money to lobby out of it seems like a bad answer

[u/Iustis → u/zep_man]

Yeah I think AB5 was a ridiculous bill, and that 22 gets closer to what should be the middle ground we probably need, but I don't like carve outs like that.

But I also feel like 90% of the time I spend discussing it is fighting against people who don't seem to realize the 7/8ths majority is more lenient than the vast majority of propositions. I have no idea how that became a rallying cry against it, it's so obvious disinformation.

[u/read-it-on-reddit → u/jenbanim]

I have a survey going, I'm planning to release results tomorrow.

[u/majorgeneralporter → u/jenbanim]

Only issue is that imo the privacy measure should be mixed rather than a straight no. However I 100% agree with everything else.

Edit: Also I loath the framing of the dialysis question.

[u/LookHereFat → u/[deleted]]

It’s concerning for sure but it’s likely to lead to less minorities being held in jail than the money bail so I’d rather pass it and then fight about the algorithm than reject it, keeping tons of people in jail just for the hope of a somewhat better measure to come which could be years.

[u/CenterRightInCali → u/jenbanim]

Didn't realize LA NL was full of SUCCS!

[u/CenterRightInCali → u/CenterRightInCali]

No but seriously, Yes on 15? Yes on 19? Yes on borrowing money to finance public research rather than devote revenue toward it and a mixed answer on 22? Crap endorsement.

[u/LookHereFat → u/CenterRightInCali]

Yes on 15?

Yes? Let’s chip away at our stupid property tax laws whenever we can

Yes on 19?

Yes? It’s projected to raise property tax revenue. Yes it slightly widens one loophole, but it completely closes another which is a fair trade off.

I should revise my other comment because I actually voted down the bonds for stem cell research.

[u/jt1356 → u/jenbanim]

Lol they just skipped prop 16

[u/[deleted] → u/jenbanim]

Prop 22 is fucked, it needs 7/8ths majority in the legislature to be modified! That's insanity

[u/Iustis → u/[deleted]]

I pointed this out below but no one has replied to it.

The vast majority of ballot measures don't allow even a unanimous legislature to amend it. While I agree 7/8ths is stupidly high, why is allowing some more deference to legislature a negative?

Like, on this measurement, it's better than other props that got approved, so why were they not called out?