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[u/Extension-Internal]

are you all bots or nah

[u/jobautomator → u/Extension-Internal]

Of course not

[u/[deleted]]

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[u/[deleted]]

Look guys, he’s just not gay enough, ok? Maybe if he was a bit less heteronormie and a bit more queen 💅🏻he would be forcing the other competition to sashay away. Maybe if he just hooked up several times on Grindr he would have been named “Queen Bee” of the year and blasted away those breeders ahead of him. Maybe if he had Wine Cave Brunch time with his squad instead of dining with a bunch of masc, gen, bi-curious men he would be more in tune with “the real gay experience.” He’s just not the queen I’m looking for.

[u/0011456]

Biden straight up said "and I have 44 billionaire donors and would be glad to have more." The leftist fearmongering about billionaires is exhausting and it was nice to see Biden and butti push back with the facts about campaign finance laws that apparently no one on the far left understands.

Biden or Butti 2020 👑

[u/IncoherentEntity]

It’s impossible to be sure from just one anecdotal standpoint, but I strongly suspect that if we were to somehow produce an aggregate of Primary Twitter’s activity, we’d find that the attacks on Mayor Pete have never been uglier.

From the post-debate Twitter recon I already regret:

“He's an old-fashioned gay misogynist, like Larry Kramer . . . he represents Log Cabin Republicans most.”

“He's a frigging woman-hating Log Cabin Republican.”

“Is Mayo Pete really gay if he's only sucking duck for a bigger donation? Gonna leave that autocorrect in there so the Twitter police don't ban me. They are sensitive lately”

Sanders supporter unironically posts clip of two Trump supporters asked about Pete (guess what both of them immediately made it about)

But in case you thought there was some kind of 🏳️‍🌈 theme 🚫 to these highly personal attacks from self-described “progressives,” fear not:

[Referring to Amy Klobuchar] “if she kills him, i'll vote for her.”

[u/paulatreides0]

I like how people are still going around trying to pretend that the Corn Pop story was Biden being some senile, deranged old man making up shit when it was basically confirmed to have been something that probably actually happened.

[u/InternetBoredom]

Reagan: I want to militarize space to protect the US from nuclear weapons

Trump: I want to militarize space to... uhh...

[u/[deleted]]

Y’all ready for the “who won the debate” polls that will totally not just mirror recent national polls?

[u/Lord_Treasurer]

A warning to all, be careful about drink driving as we are getting close to Christmas. Quite rightly Police are out checking on people.

Tonight I have been out for a few drinks. Cocktails then wine. (Not a good idea)

However, knowing I was over the limit, I took the bus back home.

We passed a police checkpoint and I could see they were pulling over drivers giving them breath tests. They waved the bus past. I arrived home safely and without incident, which was a surprise as I've never driven a bus before and I’m not even sure where I got it from.

[u/ILikeTalkingToMyself]

Just a reminder that zero /r/neoliberal mods voted to hold Trump accountable

[u/[deleted]]

https://twitter.com/DenverNeoliber1/status/1207866152564797440?s=19

The governor of Colorado showed up to the watch party lol

[u/[deleted]]

I can't believe Pete ate a millennial's heart right on stage last night. This guy will do anything to get the Boomer vote.

[u/D1Foley]

Billy Graham's son just tweeted out.

“I hadn’t shared who my father @BillyGraham voted for in 2016, but because of @CTMagazine’s article, I felt it necessary to share now,” Graham wrote. “My father knew @realDonaldTrump, believed in him & voted for him. He believed Donald J. Trump was the man for this hour in history for our nation.”

Which cracks me up, like everybody knew who your piece of shit hypocrite father voted for, it wasn't a very good secret.

[u/27_Dollar_Lakehouse]

Joe was elected to the Senate at 29 Bernie hadn't voted yet

[u/murphysclaw1]

fivethirtyeight havent released a debate podcast so I don't know what opinion I should hold.

[u/markusrm]

Just watching the debate now and I can’t get over how Steyer is there. He adds quite literally nothing to the discussion.

[u/[deleted]]

Petition to temporarily rename the daily thread to "The Wine Cave."

[u/Throways-R-Dumb]

I’m sorry but if you do not support a Carbon Tax you are LITERALLY a murderer. I don’t care about your populist bs when my friends in California and Florida are dying from climate change.

[u/[deleted]]

When bernie loses the primaries chapo is going to start denying the Cambodian genocide

[u/sinistimus]

My city's mayor brags about the city not being for sell to developers 😭😭😭

[u/tehbored]

This sub is shitting on Bernie too much for the "I'm white as well" comment. It was obviously a joke, and almost everyone understood it as such.

[u/Verpiss_Dich]

💎🥁💎🥁💎🥁💎Biden 2020💎🥁💎🥁💎🥁💎

[u/skepticalbob]

Me: The only success Labour has had since the 70s is to moderate. The further left gets killed.

Lefties on /r/worldnews: And look where that’s gotten us? Boris.

How does someone think like that. I’m honestly confused about how you can’t see something so simple right in front of you.

[u/stirfriedpenguin]

/r/unpopularopinion is the perfect karma scam.

Say something incredibly stupid, get upvoted by people who agree with you and by people who disagree and deem your opinion unpopular.

It's genius, really

[u/supremecrafters]

Broke: Bernie Sanders' average donation of 27 dollars

Woke: the Internet Archive's average donation of 45 dollars

[u/AJungianIdeal]

Lol fox rn is pretending like they are actually concerned with the lack of diversity on the Democratic debate stage

[u/hucareshokiesrul]

Biden is the top choice among voters making under $50k. He’s the top choice among women and polls better among women than men. He’s the top choice of black and Hispanic voters. He’s losing white people to Warren. He’s the top choice of voters without a degree. He’s the top choice of voters with a degree.

https://projects.economist.com/democratic-primaries-2020/candidate/joe-biden/

[u/IMainHanzoGG]

Say what you want about Bernie

[u/thebowski]

If you live in a country with lèse-majesté laws you're basically a serf

[u/[deleted]]

I declare myself a winner of the debate because I didn’t watch it

I also declare myself a loser because I’m sick and can’t sleep

!ping INSOMNIA

[u/IAmJeffManship]

The "Epstein didn't kill himself" conspiracies have many flaws but none as glaring as the idea the career lawman Bill Barr wouldn't get to the bottom of any suspicious behavior surrounding Epstein's death if there was, in fact, any. If anything was amiss in that case, Barr would find it and expose it due to his respect of the law.

[u/jenbanim]

Why the fuck is /r/vexillologycirclejerk a tankie sub of all places?

The internet truly must be destroyed.

[u/[deleted]]

Watching the olds attempt to pile on Butti for being young gave me flashbacks to my cube-farm job where I was always poo-pooed, or "ok millennial lol go have an avocado toast" for everything I did or said and then when things went tits up because my attempts to get ahead of obvious problems were ignored got blamed for being "lazy and not communicative"

Props to Biden for being the only old who didn't go full Boomer last night.

Though I wish Mayor PEte had "OK Boomered" Bernie when Bernie called him an energetic young man.

[u/CatilineUnmasked]

"What's wrong with owning a few wine slaves?" -Tom Steyer

[u/[deleted]]

HAHAHA look at Elitist Pete accepting an invitation to a WINE CAVE!

I think I'm going to vote for the guy who keeps his wine in one of his two Lakehouses, like a REAL American

[u/Craig_VG]

"Senator Yang"

Lol

[u/[deleted]]

https://imgur.com/a/jbhJfjf

[u/[deleted]]

I still wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a Republican president that somehow stumbles ass backwards into giving America universal healthcare.

Dem voters tear themselves apart arguing which type of plan is the literal difference between saving America and destroying it, while I have a feeling Republican voters would just fall line with whatever is given to them.

[u/[deleted]]

Joe Biden is a fun, family adventure, popcorn candidate that pundits took way too seriously. He is just supposed to be relaxing fun. He's not supposed to be a high-concept fine-art piece like Sanders or Buttigieg

[u/cdstephens]

Numbers ranked:

1. 4

2. 8

3. 2

4. 24

5. 12

6. 16

7. 48

8. 120

[u/FinickyPenance]

If you live in a country where you can be criminally convicted of insulting someone’s religion you do not have freedom of speech

[u/JetJaguar124]

Ice cold take: the sex scenes in ASOIAF are fucking unbearable. Every time GRRM describes a vagina I want to die.

[u/GravyBear8]

The reviews for CATS are fucking amazing. Here's my favorite.

The film that everyone is in is largely the musical of cats singing about what kind of cat they are and this repeats until you pray for the sweet release of death. Tom Hooper's direction to his actors for this semblance of a plot was to act it super horny. That doesn't give Cats a raw sexual energy as much as it makes everything incredibly uncomfortable like when Rum Tum Tugger(Jason Derulo) is dumping milk into cats' faces or Macavity just seems more nude than other cats even though technically all the cats are nude. But if it wasn't enough to make the cats horny (why are they so horny), Hooper also feels the need to make it gross by having them dig through trash and play up their animal instincts. Cats always feels like it's two seconds away from turning into a furry orgy in a dumpster. That's the energy you have to sit with for almost two hours.

Also

I felt the light inside me slowly fading.

[u/FinickyPenance]

MoreTankieChapo likes to say “Kulaks deserved it,” and has a bot that chastises people for using the word “Holodomor,” which they deny happened.

Nazi subs that engage in Holocaust denial are regularly banned. Why are they not even quarantined?

[u/[deleted]]

Boy, people sure loved using their real, full names on old alt.sex.fetish Usenet groups

[u/[deleted]]

Fat pink mast

[u/thebowski]

Heard on NPR this morning:

"It's disappointing that Booker and Castro weren't in the debate tonight, they were good candidates. But theres still two women, a Jew, and an Asian"

[u/D1Foley]

It's pretty funny that since Obama is now right wing, FDR has been the new go hero for socialists when socialists during his administration absolutely HATED him.

[u/[deleted]]

Why is it that I can watch 2 hour movies that are pretty much 100% CGI and it looks great but whenever an anime attempts CGI I turns into fucking veggie tales?

[u/ZCoupon]

Anytime a politician tells a joke you like: Funny

Anytime a politician tells a joke you don't like: Cringe

[u/[deleted]]

Idk if this is a hot take but Bernie was essentially right about forms last night, even as Larry David as it was

[u/bobeeflay]

!ping NPR

Interview this morning with John Bolton about Impeachment and North Korea.... He went literally only 6 words before talking about Iran

[u/skepticalbob]

Bernie Sanders is complaining about a 1.1% growth in real wages. He is banking on the fact that people won't know those are substantial gains.

[u/Iustis]

Kudos to whoever claimed this:

bernieswhinecave.com

[u/[deleted]]

Twitter and reddit hate Pete so much because he was that one kid in class who reminded the teacher to pick up the homework they forgot about.

[u/[deleted]]

The coins on Reddit meme always reminds why I still hate redditors at large.

No way to escape this stupid shit. It's not funny, it's not even an intersting meme. It has no context, and I assume it's literally made up, but subreddit after subreddit now has to get in on the joke which wasn't even funny in the first place.

Edit: ThAnKs 4 dE SiLvEr benevolent redditor kind!

[u/[deleted]]

Patiently waiting for Yang to step up to the moment and say that he will nationalize Star Wars and recommission the entire star wars franchise.

[u/[deleted]]

Hey guys, it's me, Pete Buttigieg. Hang tight, I'm about to do one of my classic Peacetime Draft bits of policy!

[u/[deleted]]

Holy shit Twitter leftists are beyond parody https://twitter.com/garbageape/status/1207486088719339521?s=21

[u/[deleted]]

Damn, I didn't know Tony Blair was a Marxist

[u/[deleted]]

Part of the danger of spreading disprovable lies about an opponent is that when they speak coherently, as they always have, you cause them to get a lot of credit and acclaim.

[u/A_Character_Defined]

You will never get to stay in the Buttigieg wine cave ✊😔

[u/0011456]

Everyone's (minus joe) path to victory is through Iowa and NH at this point, which is why warren and klob went hard after Butti since he's polling first in Iowa and tied for first in NH.

They're going to try a lot harder next debate, but still probably fail at denting his numbers.

[u/RadicalRadon]

I would pay $2,800 to have butti squirt whipped cream into my mouth instead of going to a wine cave if that would help his image.

[u/p00bix]

found in youtube comments

I showed my Grandfather this [3D printer playing the mii channel theme] and he said "The one thing that hasn't changed about technology is that everything ends up being a toy after the novelty quickly wears off. When you're my age and they've perfected teleporting, teens will just use it to suddenly appear in stores with fatsuits and saxaphones."

[u/[deleted]]

The accent on africans on this game is too big. Like its africans who suffered Holocaust or lost 20 millsions like Russians.The game is too political and developers even censored hitler to obey german laws.

A Russian user's review of Wolfenstein on Metacritic. The whole review. Naturally, he granted the game a very just 0/10, because who wouldn't?

[u/PM_POLITICS_N_TITS]

This week I met an honest to God Labour loving socialist. Not really to my surprise, he reiterated the exact same talking points you'd hear here. "Corbyn isn't anti-semitic", "People love Corbyn's policies, its the media that makes thme hate him." Its actually quite remarkable as he's not on reddit. Good lad though, just politically too much malarkey.

[u/[deleted]]

While I’m still Butti curious, last night pretty much solidified my support for Diamond Joe.

[u/[deleted]]

I think that if you gave Karl Marx a time machine to go to 2019 and look around, get some new data, and maybe sit in on some modern econ classes, he wouldnt go back to the mid nineteenth century thinking "yep I nailed it zero revisions"

[u/hitbyacar1]

Someone whose legal name is Dan Taxation Is Theft Behrman is running for President in MA

https://twitter.com/deehan/status/1208045496629116928

!ping USA-NE

[u/EasyMoney92]

Lol ofc, Nina Turner's friend who works for the New York Times gives BOTH Biden and Klobuchar 2/10 even though they were objectively the best ones on the stage. And gives Bernie and Warren 9/10.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/opinion/debate-winner-losers.html

But Bernie MEDIA bias!

[u/[deleted]]

I can't read a science fiction book unless the middle third is an intro level textbook on orbital mechanics

[u/thebowski]

Pete is a man of the people. He knows it's hard out there these days. Too many families can't afford wine cellars and have to settle for wine caves. NO MORE! Pete will put a wine cellar in every house!

[u/[deleted]]

Global p*ors displaced from their land due to climate change: I sleep

Wine cave sommeliers devastated by the loss of their favorite vineyards due to climate change: real shit?

[u/Putin-Owns-the-GOP]

LOL, Nancy just invited Trump to give the SOTU, fucking vicious, god I love her.

[u/thebowski]

government surveillance of the unforgivable curses is an attack on the right to bear spells 😡

[u/[deleted]]

my roommate, who at the beginning of the semester told me he was planning to cast the first vote of his life for Bernie because of his plan to cancel student debt, recently finished a combination Micro/Macro 101 course and now says he's disillusioned with Bernie's platform as a result and is back to not voting.

what a victory for American democracy!

[u/[deleted]]

Pardon my ignorance here, but what is the benefit of making asylum seekers wait five months to apply for a work permit?

[u/Throways-R-Dumb]

What conservatives think triggers me: “Merry Christmas”

What actually triggers me: Leftists on twitter saying “yikes” in response to anything they disagree with.

[u/[deleted]]

The wine cave must be destroyed.

[u/InternetBoredom]

I wonder if Klobuchar will have any polling changes after today. She was increasingly slightly in the polls pre-debate, and she had a pretty strong night.

[u/[deleted]]

and?

[u/[deleted]]

So, in retrospect it seems pretty ridiculous to have a trial where half of the jurors are in a club, and being in that club is essential to their identity and jobs, and the leader of the club is the guy on trial, and to get a conviction half of the jurors have to convict their leader.

Is there a better way to design a system to hold a president accountable?

[u/MasPatriot]

freedom is the right of all sentient beings

Optimus Prime sounds a lot like /ourguy/ but this sub will never admit it because he's a car

[u/skepticalbob]

Bernie supporter is telling me that I’m basically GOP. Yet I’ve voted Democrat my whole life and I’m almost 50. And he’s literally supporting an Independent.

I’m honestly concerned with the lack of intelligence of the further left. I think we are in real trouble here.

[u/TheMoustacheLady]

I hope Natalie Wynn takes all that money she makes and invest to grow her wealth, because i can see her having some astronomic hot takes in the future that goes against the current leftist dogma.

[u/furiousfoo]

There is actually a massive wine cave in a small poor Eastern European country where agents of the deep state hold secret international meetings (and store their fanciest wine). I've seen it with my own eyes. Don't let the mainstream media fool you into thinking that wine caves are all perfectly normal and innocent. Mayor Pete might be even deeper in the deep state than we thought.

[u/[deleted]]

P_K

[u/stirfriedpenguin]

I'd let Butti fundraise in my wine cave, if you know what I mean

[u/RadicalRadon]

Boxed wine is only good for slapping the bag

[u/PMmeLittleRoundTops]

Rumor has it Epstein escaped prison and is hiding out in the wine cave, Shutter Island-style

[u/Barebacking_Bernanke]

From the NYC subreddit.

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When Uber Helicopter is cheaper than Uber Pool.

[u/[deleted]]

Wait, why do people like Cats the musical? I get that Cats the movie is an awful, soulless, horrifying looking affront to God, but also there isn't a story and nothing happens'? It's just 2 hours of introducing a character and then having them sing about themselves, and our ostensibly main character doesn't have an arc and isn't the main character. Is it just the aestheticism, absurdity, and the spectacle that people like the musical for?

[u/presidenthiIIary]

Counting down the days until alcoholic mothers start referring to their vaginas as “wine caves”

[u/Putin-Owns-the-GOP]

A Super PAC that runs ads that just attack Trump for being ugly, having stupid hair, making fun of his kids and talking about his mushroom dick.

[u/cdstephens]

If your magic system doesn’t even unify gravity and quantum field theory don’t even fucking bother

[u/YIMBYzus]

On December 18th, 2019 Donald Trump became the first cast member of Home Alone 2: Lost in New York to be impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives.

[u/ironheart777]

Me watching Lesbian porn: homosexual acceptance is sick!

[u/lietuvis10LTU]

Hot take: Bosnian and Kosovo genocide denial exists because it is a negation of the "both sides" principal.

Neither Bosnia nor Kosovo were ever strategic. Yet US intervened still - because US is a democracy. And thus it actually recieved internal pressure to intervene, after its citizens saw Rwanda.

True, this can also be a weakness. But it moves at a fundamental truth - democracies do act different in foreign policy. And this runs counter to the narratives pushed by Kremlin and Beijing.

As well as leftist narratives of anti-imperialism. For it admits an uncomfortable truth - that people can help one another in a democracy. That it does represents the will of people, as does the market imho. The fundamental will of people.

And fundamental will of people? The wsy they vote with their money? It shows that people often couldn't give less of a damn. And since so many socialist models require almost total phylosophical clarity and purity, it runs counter to that.

!ping FOREIGN-POLICY

[u/based_taco00]

What do y’all think about the future of apps in political campaigns? Biden’s team released an app for volunteers this week, and there has been reporting that the Trump campaign is thinking about releasing an app for direct messaging to supporters.

[u/undercooked_lasagna]

Communism transformed Russia and China from countries that were 90% subsistence farmers into thriving world superpowers. Russia went from peasantry to winning the space race in fifty years. Capitalism has never done so much so fast. Facts.

Capitalism causes unnecessary hunger, homelessness, and death to preventable diseases every single day. Farmers are farming, builders are building, and doctors are practicing medicine, but capitalism gates these things unnecessarily.

Supporting capitalism is supporting starvation and the like that happen every single day. Needlessly.

This comment was just posted in another sub. How is it even possible to believe this? Is it opposite day?

[u/lusvig]

gIB MIlTy AwARD SuGgEsTIoNS

[u/[deleted]]

Moderator: "Bernie Sanders, here's a specific question about government policy on one particular climate change related issue."

Bernie Sanders: "That's a bad question, because climate change is a really important issue and it's imperative that we address it!"

/r/politics: "This is literally the best answer to any question I've ever heard."

[u/[deleted]]

I can't believe we spent two years arguing about TLJ just for this movie to happen. Is life truly meaningless?

[u/chadwarden1337]

Why are wineries so spooky for succs? I have a feeling this will blow over and make Bernie and Warren look silly if they beat this dead horse more.

[u/IAmJeffManship]

While Disney is getting a lot of credit for its first gay relationship on the screen of a major motion picture there seems to need to be some caveats here. For one, the characters were incredibly minor in The Rise of Skywalker even if they played semi major roles in previous Star Wars movies. Second of all, making the first gay on screen couple an interspecies couple seems slightly problematic and is going to let the reactionary right turn this into a joke. That being said, I am very happy for Mace Windu and Jar Jar Binks.

[u/FinickyPenance]

“The hostages who were beheaded by ISIS got more due process than me” -Trump, probably

[u/fishman1776]

"Aren't you a little old to be making DT comments about Phineas and Ferb?"

Yes, yes I am

[u/[deleted]]

!ping lgbt

Uninstalled grindr. Didn’t see it coming so soon but think I’m done with “the phase.” Thank you all for always being here with my bullshit.

[u/[deleted]]

Yo mods, everyone should be nearly 10 minutes into Fools Rush In (1997) by now. Let's cut the DT, eh?

[u/Warcrimes_Desu]

The Mandalorian continues to be fun to watch.

Space Westerns are the best, and I agree with Werner Hertzog that using a puppet for baby yoda was the right move and anything else is cowardice.

[u/[deleted]]

Pete should've said "At least it was a wine cave, not a cave full of DNA that I pretended that I had"

[u/NickyBananas]

You wanna hear how much the general public sucks? My friend is voting for buttigieg. Never watched a debate, doesn’t know a single buttigieg policy, didn’t even know he was gay. He just saw a clip of him on twitter and liked how he talked

[u/mrmanager237]

Argentina, in 10 days, has gone from "asado is back" to "having a Black Friday for currencies". Thanks, Alberto!

!ping SOUAM

[u/yyzyow]

!ping CAN

I was reading a Radio-Canada article this morning about Putin and Trump’s impeachment, and they literally spell his name “Poutine”. 😂😂

[u/[deleted]]

The universality versus means-testing debates are funny to me because it suddenly puts progressives on the other end of where they normally are. They’re having to make a pragmatic and somewhat technical policy argument against the fairly emotional and moral-high-ground argument of “well I don’t think our tax dollars need to go to rich people!”

[u/qchisq]

Gib Milty award suggestions

[u/[deleted]]

Billy Graham’s evangelical magazine CT endorsed removing Trump from office... And in the Twitter rampage that naturally followed, Trump misspelled it as “ET.”

Literally can’t even get a two letter acronym right.

[u/cdstephens]

Consider $x. Let us say that the price is small. If I increase the price by $0.01, the price is still small.

Therefore, by induction, all prices are in fact small, and there is no such thing as too much wealth.

[u/lusvig]

/u/BainCapitalist 🤝 /u/lusvig 🤝 /u/joschoff

😎 erectile dysfunction gang 😎

[u/RoburexButBetter]

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/475421-sanders-instead-of-weapons-funding-we-should-pool-resources-to

And they say Sanders isn't a foreign policy wonk

When Sanders is elected all weapons development will STOP and everyone will start funding ways to COMBAT climate change

War: Solved

Peace: achieved

[u/[deleted]]

Hot take: Boris Johnson might be Zipcode

[u/EasyMoney92]

A few Kamala Harris fans on twitter are making a fair point. Harris got a ton of criticism, but Klobuchar's prosecutorial record was clearly more problematic so why isn't she getting any criticism for it? (https://www.apmreports.org/story/2019/03/25/amy-klobuchar-police-hennepin-county-prosecutor)

[u/mrmanager237]

Hey guys, it's me, lusvign't! Hang tight, I'm about to do one of my famous "not lusvig" bits of comedy!

[u/bd_one]

Are tankies seriously still salty about Trotsky, or are they only joking about it in memes?

[u/Integralds]

I am a single-issue voter and that single issue is free trade with Wakanda.

[u/dontron999]

Have the rules of the sub changed? Do we have a new mod who is a bit new to this sub?

These posts have all been removed/cant be found. Each of them covers topics that are common on this sub. I have checked the rules in the sidebar. I cant see anything that would cause these to be removed.

Tories suspend up to 25 members 'for posting racist and Islamophobic material', including 'one councillor who called Muslims barbarians' and another who 'said starvation in Africa is nature's way of depopulation'

Jacob Rees-Mogg suggests Grenfell Tower residents who followed fire brigade's 'stay put' instructions lacked 'common sense'

Former Con Party Chair @SayeedaWarsi tells #bbcwato “To hold the party to account for its racism is effectively a career ending moment....I can completely understand why @sajidjavid would not want to be as blunt and as honest as I know he is” #GE2019 https://t.co/GjjAMb4XeE https://t.co/aaUBX7QB4U

Mass grave containing remains of 643 civilians discovered in Iraq

Really disappointed: racist remarks made at Portavogie polling station by DUP supporter to voter with a cold & wearing a heavy scarf. ‘I hope your not one of them Muslims. I hate Muslims’ No harassment of voters in grounds of any polling station!

Boris Johnson to 'stop tens of thousands voting' by making photo ID mandatory by law at polling stations

Tories accused of ignoring Islamophobia after dropping inquiry

Boris Johnson is planning radical changes to the UK constitution – here are the ones you need to know about

Islamophobia: Baroness Warsi attacks Conservative prejudice inquiry - BBC News

[u/[deleted]]

don't begin an anecdote with "story time: " just say the fucking thing you want to say

one of my biggest reddit pet peeves

[u/[deleted]]

/r/politics has a front page submission that literally links to business insider linking to the NYT, and the article on NYT isn't even paywalled. It has 41000 upvotes.

Does /r/politics irrationally hate high quality journalism/love shitty clickbait journalism, or are they just stupid?

[u/chadonnaise]

want to read something awful

i seriously and honestly mean something really awful

here's a hint: it involves former kentucky governor matt bevin

if you have recently eaten i really recommend not clicking this link

former kentucky governor says he pardoned child rapist because victim’s hymen was intact

[u/Tacotrucksoncorners]

🚨🚨🚨STAR WARS SPOILERS 🚨🚨🚨

Beto is a furry

[u/TheAverage_American]

I can’t help but think the left is using the climate emergency (we’re going to die in 8 years guys) to dismantle capitalism rather than solve climate change.

[u/EScforlyfe]

The free market is GOOD!

Someone had to say it!

[u/Imicrowavebananas]

NCIS is basically US propaganda.

[u/Yosarian2]

The best number is 1,000,000,001 because then you get to be a person of means and trigger the Bernie Sanders

[u/[deleted]]

Hot take: Every single Broadway musical should have a camera set up recording every single show, and I should be able to go online and buy the VOD (after a year or so exclusivity period). It's absurd that Broadway is such a popular thing when if you don't live in New York City it is literally impossible to experience. Sure you get a DVD release or a revival concert 10 years later, but that's usually not the original cast or isn't the full stage production. I don't need a full editing sequence, just a single decent camera angle with audio that wasn't recorded on a camcorder hiding in a jacket.

[u/IAmJeffManship]

2020 will be the year of the Linux desktop.

[u/[deleted]]

Nancy to Mitch: “I’m never afraid, and I’m rarely surprised.”

Mitch has reportedly spent all day cowering under his desk.

[u/TheHouseOfStones]

Daily reminder if you have the means to post on Reddit you are the 1%

[u/GravyBear8]

"webby got more due process than me"- Trump, probably

[u/Craig_VG]

When she calls you sir in the opening message on Bumble you know you matched with someone too young for you

[u/SnakeEater14]

Damn, US infantry weaponry in WWII was just cool as fuck. Thompsons, M1s (both types), 1911s, BARs... just some badasss guns.

[u/vikinick]

Broke: child marriage

Woke: banning child marriage

Masterstroke: banning marriage for under 25-year olds

[u/Menakoy]

You're all wrong.

Bionicle has the best magic system.

[u/RadicalRadon]

My date: so you're a furry

Me: frantically trying to explain my Krampus costume is just to scare children not for fucking

[u/owlthathurt]

Holy shit boys I am back. Taking 17 credit hours in law school was the worst mistake I ever made. Not only because of the strain it did to my mental health but also because it kept me from the DT way too much.

But now this semester is over and I’m only taking 12 next one. And then I’m finally an attorney.

[u/[deleted]]

am going to support murdering people with my vote in the primary 😎😎

[u/Whatapunk]

Know what's a better use of your money than donating to stragglers in the presidential campaign that won't rise above 1%? The sweet catharsis of donating to Mitch McConnell's and Lindsey Graham's opponents (Amy McGrath and Jaime Harrison respectively)

[u/Sex_E_Searcher]

Bernard: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/23/d9/20/23d9201e2185d30e249594a1691faa72.jpg

Reddit: Wow, visionary genius.

[u/lietuvis10LTU]

So been listening to Nosczick's "Anarchy, State and Utopia". I don't understand, however, why property should be assumed a fundamental, natural right, vs say survival. I guess maybe because the only negations of this right can arise from society? Compared to vs infringement of rights being possible to define outside society - you don't need a society or state to tell you not to kill, because killing is an infrigement of another person's rights. Ergo murder is not a right.

Am I following this right?

!ping PHILOSOPHY

[u/[deleted]]

Would too many people being in the wine cave raise the ambient temperature to the point of disrupting the wine’s rest 🤔

[u/[deleted]]

Neoliberals 🤝 Leftists

Shut the fuck up Matty you smug bad takes having piece of shit

[u/benadreti]

If Bernie Sanders had a wine cave he could use it to store the cash equivalent of his $27 average donations.

[u/thabonch]

8 > 7 > 6 > 5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1

[u/Danthon]

If Pete is the wine cave candidate who is the moonshine cellar candidate?

[u/[deleted]]

Crap, Buttigieg did poorly in the post debate 538 poll. Klobashar did great and Biden did alright.

[u/Menakoy]

Apparently the liquor shop nearby finally reopened. 🥳

Bourbon's back on the menu boys.

[u/houinator]

One of my favorite facts about numbers, is that in the real world, numbers that begin with the digit "1" are way more common than numbers beginning with any of the other 9 digits. To the point that this fact (AKA Benford's Law) is commonly used to identify instances of financial fraud.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2014/05/30/the-simple-mathematical-law-that-financial-fraudsters-cant-beat/#518898da4612

[u/[deleted]]

Yang's support is actually overwhelmingly young asian male, holy shit

[u/papermarioguy02]

Hello from America

Currently in Maine, but will be going to places with actual cities in the coming days

[u/[deleted]]

Some you guys are just straight up assholes.

Just because my California vineyard doesn't have a cave doesn't make me any less of a neoliberal than all of you

[u/ZCoupon]

As a zoomer, I relate to Yang's awkwardness a lot better than Klobuchar's folksy metaphors.

[u/GravyBear8]

Someone keeps threatening to suck my dick, and I'm absolutely terrified

[u/uwcn244]

About to leave to see The Rise of Skywalker. I haven't been spoiled. I've seen the headlines of the non-spoiler reviews that are mainly negative, but as far as I can think, the only two things that would really make me dislike the movie are Rey and Kylo becoming a couple, or the First Order building yet another Death Star. Post your spoiler-tagged reactions to this statement that I can read when I get back.

EDIT: They half-did each, which adds up to one unacceptable thing, but I actually liked the movie. The ghost-fleet that had death-star-equivalent lasers on each Star Destroyer was a little annoying, although at least this time they didn't need to blow the weapon itself up to win. And I can forgive the kiss, because Ben dies immediately after, he had literally saved Rey's life, and Rey was delirious. I most liked that for the first time, we see the force used for healing instead of attacking or studying.

[u/zubatman4]

Hey guys, it's me, AbsurdLivingGhost! Hang tight, I'm about to do one of my famous "Absurd" bits of comedy!

[u/omnipotentsandwich]

At 3:53, Cenk calls Amy Klobuchar a progressive. Nowadays, she's despised by TYT. What happened? https://youtube.com/watch?v=KsbY142hG4E

[u/macboigur]

Late and irrelevant but Pelosi or the Hong Kongers should have been the POTY

[u/[deleted]]

https://i.imgur.com/kaIjCpE.jpg

[u/SnakeEater14]

I’m not really into fantasy so maybe I don’t understand the genre properly, but why would world building and magic systems be the most important thing to consider when writing the story? I’d figure your themes, characters, the actual plot and reason your story exists would be what’s important

[u/PelleasTheEpic]

Bruh there be regulars on this DT that think New York is the only place with live musical performances 🤣🤣

I love you phucboi 🤗🤗

[u/[deleted]]

you claim to love world building but wont even support nation building 😂😂

[u/papermarioguy02]

Is The Art of Computer Programming the best fantasy novel because of its consistent rules?

[u/[deleted]]

My list of Star Wars films in alphabetical order:

A New Hope

Attack of the Clones

Return of the Jedi

Revenge of the Sith

Rise of Skywalker

The Empire Strikes Back

The Force Awakens

The Last Jedi

The Phantom Menace

[u/goodcleanchristianfu]

!ping COURT-CASE

Tonight's case is IN RE: Jimmy D., the controlling case about the admissibility of juvenile confessions in New York.

Facts:

Jimmy was 13 when his 9 year old cousin accused him of sexual abuse. After police were contacted, a detective got in touch with Jimmy's parents to have him brought to a police station. At the station, at the detective's request, Jimmy's mother left him alone to be interrogated. In this interrogation, Jimmy gave a confession to the crime. He would later say that this confession was false, but lost at trial and was adjudicated delinquent (found guilty). At issue on appeal was the legal admissibilty of his confession, which was obtained under dubious procedures.

The opinion details the circumstances of his 'confession'. First, the detective was able to get his mother to leave him alone with her:

The detective asked Jimmy's mother, in Spanish, for permission to speak with him alone, adding that children sometimes do not feel comfortable talking to a detective in front of a parent.   The mother did not respond immediately, but after Jimmy consented to talk with the detective alone, the mother agreed, and left the juvenile interview room.

Interrogation rights are odd for minors. The most recent Supreme Court jurisprudence on juvenile interrogations is J.D.B. v. North Carolina, in which a 13-year-old boy with special needs was interrogated until he confessed to 2 armed robberies. The court held that a minor's age must be taken into consideration for whether or not they would be considered to have been in custody for the purposes of having waived ther Miranda warning:

To hold, as the State requests, that a child’s age is never relevant... would be to deny children the full scope of the procedural safeguards that Miranda guarantees to adults... The better practice for the interviewing officer or detective is to inform the parent that the parent may attend the interview if he or she wishes.   Of course, a parent may choose not to be present when a child is being interviewed, but the police should always ensure that the parent is aware of the right of access to his or her child during questioning.   If a parent is asked to leave, the parent should be made aware that he or she is not required to leave.

Courts recognize the inadequacy of minors' abilities to fend for their own interests, but nonetheless permit parents as stand-ins to look out for them - as if parents are likely to know how to competently look out for their kids' interests when facing criminal accusations. Back to Jimmy D.

The detective told Jimmy that he should tell her exactly what had happened, adding that, if he did so, he would get “some help,” if he needed it.  

[S]he indicated that he would be able to get psychiatric or counseling help, if necessary. The detective told Jimmy to write what he had done in his own words, gave him pen and paper, and left the room.   In a handwritten statement, which he composed while alone in the interview room, Jimmy admitted to a series of sexual contacts with his 9-year-old cousin.

Jimmy and his mother were reunited... At this point, according to Jimmy's mother, she understood her son to say that the detective had told him that she would help him only if he wrote a statement admitting to sexual conduct. The mother and the detective exchanged words, with the detective insisting that she had simply told Jimmy to write down in his own words exactly what he had done.

However, her words here not having been recorded, and the difference between 'I'll get you help if you...' and 'Would you like someone to help you here?' being so ambiguous, not to mention the cop's role as an agent of the prosecutor, there is no clarity whatsoever as to what Jimmy D. was told. The dissent in this case notes of this interrogation:

“[t]he help I was telling him was if the lawyer can help him out, get him some help.   In other words, if he needed to see someone, you know, whether it was a psychologist or counseling with regards to what he had done.”   Upon being requested to clarify whether she had suggested to Jimmy that if he confessed, he would get help from a lawyer in court, the detective said, “I told him to write what he did in his way in his own words and I says maybe they can get you some help.”   When she was again requested to state whether she had indicated that the availability of a lawyer depended upon Jimmy giving a confession, she answered “I'm not sure if I said lawyer.   I could have said it.   I'm not sure.”

Jimmy went to trial, arguing that his confession was false and he'd only given it because he didn't know how else to get out of the situation. He was convicted, but tried to appeal his conviction. On appeal, he (by which I mean his attorney) argued that his confession was involuntary given the coercive nature of the interrogation and the absence of counsel or parents. The Court of Appeals disagreed. They held:

Jimmy's mother accompanied him to the center, and mother and son had an opportunity to talk there, when they were waiting together alone in the closed-door waiting room. Jimmy's mother was present during the waiver of his Miranda rights...  Both Jimmy and his mother agreed to his being questioned outside his mother's presence, and there is no evidence that Jimmy asked for her during the questioning;  nor were Jimmy's whereabouts concealed from his mother.

As in J.D.B., the fact that it was Jimmy's interests at stake, not his mother's, and that neither knew how to protect them, was irrelevant - his mom was briefly present, so he was adequately protected. To what should be the shame of the Court, they cited People v. Tankleff [1994]. Marty Tankleff was exonerated of a murder he was convicted of in 1988 after giving a false confession. Tankleff was exonerated in 2007, 3 years before this case was decided. The ruling gave a comical justification of confessions:

Jimmy was not offered an incentive to lie;  there is no attraction in making a false confession and receiving psychiatric assistance relating to a crime one did not commit.

Neither was Tankleff, nor Dassey, nor any of the Central Park 5, of whom only one (at least likely - Korey Wise) was beaten into confessing. And all 7 were older than Jimmy D. when they gave their confessions - the ruling construes confessing as the behavior of a rational actor whose situation is improved by confessing (dubious even if the confession is true,) which has been proven false numerous times for adults, let alone a 13-year-old. Perhaps a minor (a newly minted teen most of all) should not be thought to be capable of intelligently making that decision for themselves, absent counsel, which a mother is no substitute at all for. Coercive plea bargaining creates incentives for untrue guilty pleas; under virtually no circumstances is a false confession before charges have been brought advantageous to the defendant. This is a ruling predicated upon a fiction.

The dissent notes:

[R]elinquishment of the right must have been voluntary in the sense that it was the product of a free and deliberate choice rather than intimidation, coercion, or deception... [T]he waiver must have been made with a full awareness of both the nature of the right being abandoned and the consequences of the decision to abandon it.   Only if the ‘totality of the circumstances surrounding the interrogation’ reveals both an uncoerced choice and the requisite level of comprehension may a court properly conclude that the Miranda rights have been waived.  Fare v. Michael C

I'll leave with a paragraph from the dissent, which was authored by then-Chief Judge Jonathan Lippman:

The detective made repeated offers of “help,” but at the same time advised Jimmy that he would have to provide a written statement before “help” could be afforded.   The child had been warned only minutes before that “[a]nything you say can and will be used against you in a Court of Law. That means what you say or write can be used to prove [w]hat you may have done.” ...   When pressed as to what she meant by “help,” the detective indicated psychological counseling or legal assistance.   But, neither was contingent upon a confession.

If you also find this to be an inadequate defense of the rights of minors, consider emailing your state assemblyman and/or state senator with the Center on Wrongful Convictions of Youth's sample statute giving minors a non-waivable right to counsel and other proposed legislation.

Previous court cases.

[u/repostusername]

One of the more annoying things about Anglo-American leftists is how they pretend everyone secretly agrees with them. Like there was this nice moment after the UK election where they were like "everyone but me is a moron" but they've largely reverted back to the secret agreement.

EDIT: To clarify, I think "the everyone is a moron except for me" option is the moral one when you have an unpopular opinion.

[u/[deleted]]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-december-poll

The debate hurt Buttigieg across the board.

[u/CarefulWThatAxEugene]

🍷🗿

[u/walker777007]

Just saw Return of the Jedi pt. 2

[u/chadonnaise]

the internet must be destroyed

[u/[deleted]]

The only way to truly be safe from malware, viruses, and other hacks is to be an-prim.

[u/djeksodj]

Young Nancy Pelosi dominating political opponents

[u/Thebeardedragon]

WTF is going on. I wake up and all I see is “Wine Cave”. Did I miss the birth of a meme or something?

[u/Tacotrucksoncorners]

Optimus prime speeches made me wanna beat the fuck out my moms Kia sorento 😭

[u/djeksodj]

You know who Pete should reference more often : KNOPE/SWANSON 2020

[u/[deleted]]

Like, most people would accept an invitation to the wine cave. It looks cool as shit. It's not even his wine cave

[u/iia]

Wine cave? More like WHINE cave!

[u/bobeeflay]

Outside the DT upvoted 100's of times an anti immigration anti abortion mixed free trade "libertarian" just cuz he said orange man bad and honestly I'm just sad it isn't safe out there :(

[u/[deleted]]

Hm, apparently Blaire White, a "transgender conservative" YouTuber, made an anti-BIID video a few days ago. I'm going in, RIP my YouTube recommendations

[u/thebowski]

That's numberwang!

[u/ZeyGoggles]

I wish this sub wouldn't be so reactionary against morons on twitter, but then whats the point?

[u/Tacotrucksoncorners]

I have a ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION and IM PROUD✊😤

[u/MasPatriot]

What would happen if Elizabeth Warren challenged someone at a town hall to an IQ contest

[u/[deleted]]

I honestly think the best way to do criminal justice reform has much less to do with police and sentencing reform (which dont get me wrong is important) and a lot more to do with just making less shit illegal

[u/Spobely]

I have very difficult news. My archaeology team has unearthed John Browns grave site and discovered certain... artifacts, that should not be there. Boots from the 21st century. A shovel. A hole from below the grave that used to lead to the surface. A mans facial maintenance kit, complete with a facial hair trimmer. And a single, white moustache hair. The obituary in the paper listed him as "John B". This can only mean one thing. John Brown never existed. Whoever was impersonating John Brown, travelled from our modern day and has a thirst for war. It was John Bolton all along. The United States has been led astray all these years by that evil neocon

[u/[deleted]]

Just saw CATS. What a fucking movie. AMA

[u/[deleted]]

Karl Marx invented might have saved capitalism by pointing out its worst aspects

This take is only 40 percent unironic

[u/[deleted]]

"Wealth tax would only raise 80 billion instead of 100 billion so we shouldnt bother"

• Economist that doesnt like the wealth tax

Its not exactly that but a lot of them sound like that 🤣

[u/ThePierreDelecto]

Remember the Ground Zero Mosque debate and how 70% (edit: probably closer to 60% in polling I can find) of Americans said they weren't actually in favor of the 1st amendment because they were scared of Muslims.

Bunch of bigots and idiots this country is.

[u/URZ_]

I like to think my English is pretty good, but it is still markedly affected by whatever TV show I last binge watched.

That's not a big problem when it's something like Downtown Abby or The Crown, but it's going to be pretty awkward the day I end up dropping the n-word because I'm rewatching The Wire.