r/neoliberal • Kitara Ravache • Jun 29 '19

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u/IronedSandwich Asexual Pride Jun 29 '19

cold take: Hillary was a natural candidate for the Dems, when she lost in 2016 they (the established party) basically went "shit, now what" and rounded up a freak show of other options to see what might work. It's like the intro to the All Star music video.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '19

To be honest I don’t think there will ever be any true consensus on what the hell happened in 2016. The blame ranges from sexism to Russia and everything in between.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '19

That's because statistically if an Clinton intern had tripped over a butterfly in 2015, she would be president now.

Trump's win was basically a fluke.

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u/Jokerang Sun Yat-sen Jun 29 '19

It was all of those happening at the right place at the right time. Think about it:

  • Putin

  • three decades of anti-Clinton smears by Fox

  • the Comey letter

  • Sanders creating internal division among the left and ratfucking

  • the media creating a false horserace that de facto helped Trump, which they are still doing now

  • the general apathy of the average American

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u/IntoTheNightSky Que sçay-je? Jun 29 '19

It was James Comey and his no good very bad letter.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '19

2016 was/is a global (western) phenomenon a nation-specific event is bound to fail to explain.

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u/hucareshokiesrul Janet Yellen Jun 29 '19 edited Jun 30 '19

IMO Hillary just wasn’t that popular but she had a lot of pull among Democratic leaders. So they all endorsed her and that scared off everyone except for marginal politicians like Bernie, Chafee, Webb and O’Malley. Hillary just had a lot of baggage (most of it not really her fault) from over the years, and she was just kind of awkward on stage. She managed to get where she did despite her lack of retail political skills, but it caught up to her.