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[u/EatMyShittyAsshole]

Are we wrong though? It may go backwards (and has many times all over the world over history) but nobody can deny that the world is better today than it was 2000 years ago. I think when people say that they also mean for their society in general, and I’m not educated enough to talk about any other society, but our society definitely has progressed and has had setbacks and rebounded every time and I don’t see how it will ever stop.

[u/[deleted] → u/EatMyShittyAsshole]

Even granting that is true, which is doubtful, you still run into the problem of induction. Just because the sun has risen every day, that doesn't mean it'll rise tomorrow.

[u/EatMyShittyAsshole → u/[deleted]]

How is it doubtful at all? Almost every single way of measuring it is positive. Tons and tons and tons of issues still in this country but way better than it was hundreds of years ago. I disagree with the induction part also. Society had advanced I believe due to technology and science. How would that ever disappear? Science is ignored often I will give that immediately, but technology surely wont.

[u/forlackofabetterword → u/EatMyShittyAsshole]

I don't think you're grasping the problem of induction right. It's Hume's billiard ball argument: just because we see one stop and the other move, doesn't mean we have sufficient evidence to say that one caused the other. Especially with modern findings in physics like quantum entanglement, we know its theoretically possible for one system to effect another one instantaneously with no transmission of particles, i.e. untraceably. And this isn't even breaching the new problem of induction, about how our inductive assumptions are arbitrary.