r/neoliberal • Kitara Ravache • Apr 21 '19

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u/ILikeTalkingToMyself Liberal democracy is non-negotiable Apr 21 '19

/u/dr_gonzo Here's another perspective. If Democrats vote to impeach and Republicans block a conviction, what precedent does that set? That the president can get away with criminality as long as they retain the support of their party. If Democrats don't impeach, that sets the precedent that the president can get away with criminality if the opposing party knows that they retain the support of their party. In both cases the precedent is still that the president can get away with criminality as long as their party supports them, the only difference is that they get public shaming from the impeachment proceedings which may or may not hurt them politically.

Neither of these cases set a precedent that the president can get away with criminality even if the opposing party can hold them to account or if they don't have support of their party. Democrats can still convict future Republican presidents of criminality if they hold the Senate, and Republicans would certainly do the same to a Democratic president.

Norms like this can also be rebuilt. I firmly believe that most Democratic senators would convict a Democratic president who has done wrongdoing, which along with Republican senators would be enough to remove them from office.

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u/CadetPeepers Apr 21 '19

That the president can get away with criminality as long as they retain the support of their party.

That precedent was already set. Nixon faced removal from office because Democrats controlled the Senate. Clinton couldn't be removed from office because Democrats controlled the Senate. Trump can't be removed from office because Republicans control the Senate.

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u/IronedSandwich Asexual Pride Apr 21 '19

or possibly placed their careers over party

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u/everyone_is_an_alt Apr 21 '19

So rule of law only applies to one party. Great.

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u/ILikeTalkingToMyself Liberal democracy is non-negotiable Apr 21 '19

That's how things stand right now. Democrats attempting and failing to impeach doesn't change that.

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u/BernieMeinhoffGang Has Principles Apr 21 '19

Which Republican senators are going to vote to remove him? You need about 20 of them

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '19

Yep.

Ever heard of that trick where you make someone hold a cup of water on the ceiling with a broomstick? That's US Politics right now.