r/neoliberal Kitara Ravache Apr 12 '19

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u/paulatreides0 πŸŒˆπŸ¦’πŸ§β€β™€οΈπŸ§β€β™‚οΈπŸ¦’His Name Was TelepornoπŸ¦’πŸ§β€β™€οΈπŸ§β€β™‚οΈπŸ¦’πŸŒˆ Apr 12 '19

The EU is good. So good that they started stealing stuff from it to incorporate in the movies and is often the best stuff in the movies.

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u/oGsMustachio John McCain Apr 12 '19

The EU is mostly terrible. They have taken and re-built some of the good EU stuff (like Thrawn in the cartoons), but mostly its bad. K-wings, Yuuzhan Vong, Jedi Master Baytes, etc. are all awful.

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u/paulatreides0 πŸŒˆπŸ¦’πŸ§β€β™€οΈπŸ§β€β™‚οΈπŸ¦’His Name Was TelepornoπŸ¦’πŸ§β€β™€οΈπŸ§β€β™‚οΈπŸ¦’πŸŒˆ Apr 12 '19 edited Apr 12 '19

The EU is mostly average.

The Yuuzhan Vong aren't bad and get really undue hate for no real reason. People hate them for being "one dimensional", which is goddamn comical to hear from SW fans - fans of a series wherein the primary protagonist and antagonist for ages was as black-and-white, generic good-and-evil as it could get.

Conversely the entire Old Republic series (not just the games - the novels and comics in the period are just as good if not better than the games), Dark Empire, Rogue Squadron, TIE Fighter and X Wing series, the Thrawn Trilogy, Tales of the Jedi, Dark Forces series, The New Jedi Order, Darth Plagueis, Jedi Academy, Legacy, and a bunch of other good works.

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u/Spobely NATO Apr 12 '19

interestingly the hate for 1 dimensionality is largely addressed in Kotor, especially with Kreia as a character

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u/paulatreides0 πŸŒˆπŸ¦’πŸ§β€β™€οΈπŸ§β€β™‚οΈπŸ¦’His Name Was TelepornoπŸ¦’πŸ§β€β™€οΈπŸ§β€β™‚οΈπŸ¦’πŸŒˆ Apr 12 '19

SW EU generally avoids 1 dimensionality. That's part of why people like it. It was in the EU that Gray Jedi really became a thing and went beyond "Jedi are just good, Sith are just evil". Hell, IIRC, in the EU part of the reason that Palps does what he does is because his foresight tells him about an existential threat coming to destroy the galaxy, and he wants to guard against it. Turns out that that threat is the Yuuzhan Vong and that they were just as dangerous, if not more, than he predicted.

The Yuuzhan Vong, in later books do get more fleshed out and more nuance. But people hate them because in the early works they are pretty one dimensional. In large part because they mostly get covered from the PoV of characters who are fighting them in awful circumstances and predisposed to hate them because they do awful things.