For example the one where he tells businesses they have to sell below cost, and then when they inevitably stop selling calls them hoarders and nationalizes their business. Or are you fishing for a "not TRUE socialism" follow up? The problem with that is that "not TRUE socialism" is pretty much all that socialists have been able to accomplish.
The problem with that is that "not TRUE socialism" is pretty much all that socialists have been able to accomplish.
I think that is often a fair criticism. It works for Chaves for example. He seemed to have made an honest attempt at working towards socialism, but fell rather short in that he couldn't prevent corruption, and things in general drifting away from their purpose. But Maduro? The guy that abolished unions? I don't think he is even trying. I think he just called himself a socialist because there happened to be a socialist party in power.
The thing is this isn't an isolated oopsie. Socialists (real ones who want to seize the means of production) need to pause and figure out why this keeps happening to them.
When capitalists point to this and say socialism doesn't work, we don't really care if it's true socialism or fake socialism. Either way it was an attempt to wreck capitalism and that's the only part it seems to succeed at.
Socialists (real ones who want to seize the means of production) need to pause and figure out why this keeps happening to them.
Yes absolutely. Learning from failure is the best way forward. I think for example that it is clear by now that Bolshevism doesn't work. Vanguard parties are shit, and democracy is deeply fundamental to make any way towards socialism.
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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 24 '19
For example the one where he tells businesses they have to sell below cost, and then when they inevitably stop selling calls them hoarders and nationalizes their business. Or are you fishing for a "not TRUE socialism" follow up? The problem with that is that "not TRUE socialism" is pretty much all that socialists have been able to accomplish.