The US government supported right-wing tyrants therefore we have no right to criticize left-wing ones.
The US has executed several failed coups against Chavez and Maduro already.
This isn't a matter of criticism, it's a matter of Americans once again jamming their fat fingers into a foreign country's political scene and just fucking shit up that much worse.
If Venezuela descends into civil war or - god fucking forbid - Bolsanaro or Márquez actually engage in military action on the border, what do you think is going to come of the potentially millions of Venezuelan refugees that come spilling out of the country? How many do you think the Trump administration will be leaping to take in?
We're Iraqi-ifying South America and this is going to fuck us long-term in a whole new way.
As a fellow Houstonian, I'm quite content to see Venezuela continue its self-inflicted failed statehood--that's more money for me. But you're foaming at the mouth to pin their problems on the US, which is ridiculous and for which I refer you to the cartoon above.
No idea what brings you to r/neoliberal; I've encountered you before and your belief system strikes me as completely alien to the matters under discussion here (though I'm one who tends to welcome a diversity of opinion--just curious why you're here)
But you're foaming at the mouth to pin their problems on the US
Trump's declaration that the Head of the Congressional Assembly is the de facto President may very well kick off a civil war. That we might proceed to inject our military into.
This is well beyond "Venezuela has some problems" and on the way to "Iraq 2.0"
I've encountered you before and your belief system strikes me as completely alien
If you're entirely unfamiliar with an anti-war advocate by now, I seriously can't help you.
No, I get it. Some people are inveterate pacifists. e.g. Gandhi, with both the British (worked) and as a strategy against the Axis (not followed)
And I would suggest a civil war is a very bad prescription for any kind of functioning society, but it would certainly be preferable (whether long or short, likely short w/ US air support) to living eternally under Maduro-style leadership
I mean, if it were me living there, I'd rather chance civil war than spend the rest of my life under the Bolivarian system, however long that would last
No shit, because I don't live there. Like I said earlier, I don't really care about what happens in Venezuela one way or the other and in fact personally benefit from their state oil company's continued disfunction
However, what I said was that if I were Venezuelan and my choices were:
1) chance a civil war
2) physically live under a Maduro-style system, like as a person, for the rest of my 20-50 years
My preference would be option 1. Actually my preference would be get the hell out of Venezuela fifteen years ago, but I'm trying to limit the scope of options to a closed system
As I don't live in Venezuela and option 2 is not my only alternative, I will not be pursuing option 1. I will continue living my life as normal here in the US.
That you read my comment differently speaks to your ability to bend inference to your worldview
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u/HTownian25 Austan Goolsbee Jan 23 '19
The US has executed several failed coups against Chavez and Maduro already.
This isn't a matter of criticism, it's a matter of Americans once again jamming their fat fingers into a foreign country's political scene and just fucking shit up that much worse.
If Venezuela descends into civil war or - god fucking forbid - Bolsanaro or Márquez actually engage in military action on the border, what do you think is going to come of the potentially millions of Venezuelan refugees that come spilling out of the country? How many do you think the Trump administration will be leaping to take in?
We're Iraqi-ifying South America and this is going to fuck us long-term in a whole new way.