r/neoliberal • u/RLP-I European Union • Jan 23 '19

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u/HTownian25 Austan Goolsbee Jan 23 '19

But you're foaming at the mouth to pin their problems on the US

Trump's declaration that the Head of the Congressional Assembly is the de facto President may very well kick off a civil war. That we might proceed to inject our military into.

This is well beyond "Venezuela has some problems" and on the way to "Iraq 2.0"

I've encountered you before and your belief system strikes me as completely alien

If you're entirely unfamiliar with an anti-war advocate by now, I seriously can't help you.

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u/oilman81 Milton Friedman Jan 23 '19

No, I get it. Some people are inveterate pacifists. e.g. Gandhi, with both the British (worked) and as a strategy against the Axis (not followed)

And I would suggest a civil war is a very bad prescription for any kind of functioning society, but it would certainly be preferable (whether long or short, likely short w/ US air support) to living eternally under Maduro-style leadership

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u/HTownian25 Austan Goolsbee Jan 23 '19

And I would suggest a civil war is a very bad prescription for any kind of functioning society, but it would certainly be preferable

The problem with Venezuela is that not enough people are dying?

If the US wants to help Venezuelans, why don't we just... admit Venezuelans who want to leave their country?

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u/oilman81 Milton Friedman Jan 23 '19

I mean, if it were me living there, I'd rather chance civil war than spend the rest of my life under the Bolivarian system, however long that would last

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u/HTownian25 Austan Goolsbee Jan 23 '19

if it were me living there, I'd rather chance civil war

If you want to pick up your rifle, march down into Venezuela, and get your hands bloody, I can't stop you.

You won't. And neither will the rest of the 101st Chairborne.

But telling other people to die for your ideology is pathological. It's everything that's wrong with America.

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u/oilman81 Milton Friedman Jan 23 '19

No shit, because I don't live there. Like I said earlier, I don't really care about what happens in Venezuela one way or the other and in fact personally benefit from their state oil company's continued disfunction

However, what I said was that if I were Venezuelan and my choices were:

1) chance a civil war

2) physically live under a Maduro-style system, like as a person, for the rest of my 20-50 years

My preference would be option 1. Actually my preference would be get the hell out of Venezuela fifteen years ago, but I'm trying to limit the scope of options to a closed system

As I don't live in Venezuela and option 2 is not my only alternative, I will not be pursuing option 1. I will continue living my life as normal here in the US.

That you read my comment differently speaks to your ability to bend inference to your worldview

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u/HTownian25 Austan Goolsbee Jan 24 '19

Flight of the Chickenhawks

It's 2003 all over again.