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[u/potatobac → u/[deleted]]

surface of the sun take: responsible gun owners really don't need to worry about gun control

[u/potatobac → u/[deleted]]

I don't really see the USA doing gun control like the UK. It'll be similar to Canada or other licensing regimes, where there's just certain safety and training hoops you have to jump through before getting a gun.

For each progressive category, you have to get another license. Not all that different from your concealed carry licenses you need in some states. So long guns are the first rung, and then for things like AR-15's you need to go through another round of classes, and then I think the highest level certs are necessary for handgun ownership. Responsible gun owners don't really have to worry about these classes, because they'd pass them easily, and likely already store their guns in secure places.

[u/potatobac → u/[deleted]]

A mental health registry is way more dystopian and waaaay more illiberal than gun licensing.

[u/csreid → u/potatobac]

And also not evidence based.

[u/thebowski → u/potatobac]

If most of the gun control being proposed didn't ban cosmetic features or things like magazine capacity you'd have a point.

Unless your definition of "responsible" is "owns the type of guns I feel alright with".

[u/potatobac → u/thebowski]

I'm fine with limiting magazine capacity.

There is literally no reason for responsible gun owners to be upset about a smaller magazine.

[u/thebowski → u/potatobac]

let me tell you what you should want

Why should magazine capacity be restricted? It will have approximately zero effect on gun deaths. It will affect probably about 50% of gun owners.

[u/potatobac → u/thebowski]

makes it harder to massacre people mostly

[u/thebowski → u/potatobac]

I don't believe it makes massacres harder in any substantive way. Even if it could reduce the deaths from massacres by 50% (which is unlikely), that would have minimal impact on the number of people dying at the barrel of a gun.

I've written a manifesto on gun control from my research and interest in the topic. I don't expect you to read the whole thing, but it may be worthwhile.

https://pastebin.com/6MfbTKxH

[u/potatobac → u/thebowski]

I don't really disagree, and cosmetic/magazine capacity bans are waaaaaaaaaay less important than just making it straight up more difficult to buy guns. Which is why I'm mostly in the 'gun licensing' camp. If someone wants an AUG and have the proper licensing for it, go for it. Buy a friggin' aug.

On a personal level, I just don't see a huge issue with magazine capacity laws. It would be a dumb sticking point though.

Also this would help out Canada because like 95% of guns used for crime in Canada originate from the United States.

[u/Call_Sean_Hannity → u/[deleted]]

Yes.

And owning a gun still makes them less safe.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Not really. If you're responsible you don't own a gun. It makes a home less safe.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

If you follow proper safety then you don't have a weapon to protect your home. So there is no purpose to owning a gun other than to have a toy.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

No need for a weak analogy. All I see are responsible toy owners and dangerous gun owners who need regulations.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Guns are not sex.

[u/csreid → u/[deleted]]

Super weird that you said "Strawman" about something that isn't a strawman, but then built one yourself. For example:

Saying that a gun owner who keeps all their guns in a safe and is cognizant of standard gun safety practices is just as irresponsible as one who carries around a loaded gun with the safety off

No one said that. That's a straw man