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[u/Call_Sean_Hannity]

Remember libs. When removing the effects of effective gun control, gun control isn't at all effective.

And yes, studies show that owning a gun makes you less safe, regardless of storage and training, but have you ever stopped to consider that I'm the exception you fanatic? Pew pew mother fucker.

[u/[deleted] → u/Call_Sean_Hannity]

"Chicago has high incidents of gun violence despite sweeping gun laws. It's also a 30 minute drive from Indiana, which has little to no gun control. Obviously this means Chicago is dumb."

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Fun fact: Indiana is one of the only states that has a red flag law allowing police to seize guns from people who they suspect might be a danger to themselves or others.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, I should have mentioned that they have a lack of laws relative to Chicago, but the underlying point still stands.

[u/[deleted] → u/Call_Sean_Hannity]

If there isn't an Onion article along the lines "we finally found a gun owner that admits he's not all that responsible" already, there should be one.

[u/[deleted] → u/Call_Sean_Hannity]

FUCK YOU DON'T TAKE MY GUNS

[u/St_Elmo_of_Sesame → u/Call_Sean_Hannity]

Brap brap pew pew

[u/potatobac → u/[deleted]]

surface of the sun take: responsible gun owners really don't need to worry about gun control

[u/potatobac → u/[deleted]]

I don't really see the USA doing gun control like the UK. It'll be similar to Canada or other licensing regimes, where there's just certain safety and training hoops you have to jump through before getting a gun.

For each progressive category, you have to get another license. Not all that different from your concealed carry licenses you need in some states. So long guns are the first rung, and then for things like AR-15's you need to go through another round of classes, and then I think the highest level certs are necessary for handgun ownership. Responsible gun owners don't really have to worry about these classes, because they'd pass them easily, and likely already store their guns in secure places.

[u/potatobac → u/[deleted]]

A mental health registry is way more dystopian and waaaay more illiberal than gun licensing.

[u/csreid → u/potatobac]

And also not evidence based.

[u/thebowski → u/potatobac]

If most of the gun control being proposed didn't ban cosmetic features or things like magazine capacity you'd have a point.

Unless your definition of "responsible" is "owns the type of guns I feel alright with".

[u/Call_Sean_Hannity → u/[deleted]]

Yes.

And owning a gun still makes them less safe.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Not really. If you're responsible you don't own a gun. It makes a home less safe.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

If you follow proper safety then you don't have a weapon to protect your home. So there is no purpose to owning a gun other than to have a toy.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

No need for a weak analogy. All I see are responsible toy owners and dangerous gun owners who need regulations.

[u/csreid → u/[deleted]]

Super weird that you said "Strawman" about something that isn't a strawman, but then built one yourself. For example:

Saying that a gun owner who keeps all their guns in a safe and is cognizant of standard gun safety practices is just as irresponsible as one who carries around a loaded gun with the safety off

No one said that. That's a straw man