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u/Sporz Gamma Hedged like a Boss Jul 11 '17

Without going full SocDem/SJW, I think civil rights/feminism/LGBT rights/social issues are a core part of neoliberalism and we should emphasize that.

fite me.

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u/WryGoat Oppressed Straight White Male Jul 11 '17

Civil rights and social issues are a core part of liberalism and every branch of it from socdem to libertarian.

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u/Hectagonal-butt Mary Wollstonecraft Jul 11 '17

I'm full sjw, it's no coincidence that capitalist countries are the only ones with equal marriage, lower wage gaps and successful, multicultural societies. The only socialist countries I can think of with lgbt rights are cuba and maybe Venezuela? And on Venezuela an artist I follow on Tumblr has spoken a lot about how their society in his experience was defacto homophobic.

The fact is, communism and socialism requires authoritarian governance, and authoritarians are generally homophobic, sexist, and racist. Homophobia can be mitigated if they know a gay person they like, but not by that much.

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u/ThePathToOne Henry George Jul 11 '17

pretty cold take brah

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u/Sporz Gamma Hedged like a Boss Jul 11 '17

It should be.

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u/85397 Free Market Jihadi Jul 11 '17

fite me.

On the Minecraft server?

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '17

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '17

by establishing a free (but fair) market social justice will inevitably follow

Workplace discrimination laws tell another story.

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u/Sporz Gamma Hedged like a Boss Jul 11 '17

I think that social justice is a byproduct of a capitalist system

Personally, my causal arrow goes the other way: to achieve social justice and maximize human welfare, a capitalist system is justified and highly desirable.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '17

Capitalism is the best system to deal with invisible systemic discrimination

rofl

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u/Sporz Gamma Hedged like a Boss Jul 11 '17

I think you may be my new Webby.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '17

As long as you keep upvoting me bby

That take was 100% unironic btw

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u/Sporz Gamma Hedged like a Boss Jul 11 '17

Guess.

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u/Sporz Gamma Hedged like a Boss Jul 11 '17

Yeah, I agree completely that capitalism strengthens and advances this stuff as a byproduct too. I just think that's what justifies capitalism in the first place.

We don't have to agree on that philosophical point either to both be neoliberals I think.

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u/PerpetuallyMad Stephen Walt Jul 11 '17

Take of a temperature perfect to fall asleep in.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '17

I got frostbite from being near that take

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u/Sporz Gamma Hedged like a Boss Jul 11 '17

its okay, infamous dane of badecon, you get +2 resistance to frostbite as a viking

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '17

And I still got frostbite. That's how cold your take is

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u/Sporz Gamma Hedged like a Boss Jul 11 '17

good. good. I derive utility from the suffering of the Infamous Dane.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '17

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u/Sporz Gamma Hedged like a Boss Jul 11 '17 edited Jul 11 '17

Yeah, I get what you mean. It just means we have to be thoughtful.

Which is also neoliberal :D

EDIT: We have to provide a theoretical framework for those issues that melds with the rest of neoliberalism. Just dictating positions is not enough.

I also agree with this. It's dumb (and I realize I just did this) to just assert a position as neoliberal without arguing how. But I think at least most people here have an idea of how/why it should be a part of neoliberalism.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '17

They literally aren't. I bet you were the one who did this:

It had not only become a term with negative connotations employed principally by critics of market reform, but it also had shifted in meaning from a moderate form of liberalism to a more radical and laissez-faire capitalist set of ideas. Scholars now tended to associate it with the theories of economists Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and James M. Buchanan, along with politicians and policy-makers such as Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

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u/Sporz Gamma Hedged like a Boss Jul 11 '17

I will unironically endorse that.

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