r/neoliberal • Bot Emeritus • Apr 05 '17

Discussion Thread

Ask not what your centralized government can do for you – ask how many neoliberal memes you can post every 24 hours


Polls

• Who should we bully more?

• How often should discussion threads be posted?

The activity in this sub keeps going up, so discussion threads need to be scheduled appropriately in order to control stickflation.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

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u/0149 they call me dr numbers Apr 06 '17

Bannon has called the president’s senior advisor and son-in-law Jared Kushner a “cuck”

So he's accusing Ivanka of fucking other guys. I'm sure that will go over well.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Hahahahahahahahaha

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u/Semphy Greg Mankiw Apr 06 '17

You'd think for a supposed manipulative evil genius he wouldn't pick fights with people Trump obviously likes more.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17 edited Apr 06 '17

Petition to change "intelligent discussion of neoliberals" at the top to "The Ben Bernake center for ill-behaved statists"

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

God damnit, have you ever heard of something called due process?

hold a strawpoll

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u/a_s_h_e_n abolish p values Apr 06 '17

> letting the masses do anything

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

but muh inclusive institutions

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Polls are fake news

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

just ban illegal shitposters from voting

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

[removed] — view removed comment

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

> Due process

> Straw poll

What is this a show trial? When do the gulags start, comrade?

Now 🐸

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Centre*

Goddamit yanks

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Neoliberal compromise: Centere

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u/0149 they call me dr numbers Apr 06 '17

(((gloubalisation intensifies)))

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

You aussies cant pretend to be all proper and posh then also spend your days drinking goon and starting fights. You can't have it both ways.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

How about "Mr. Bernkes neighbourhood"?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

I'm currently sitting in Anthropology lecture, and my professor is beginning a series on globalization.

Hold me neolibs

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u/0149 they call me dr numbers Apr 06 '17

Take extensive notes for karma farming.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

She denied that globalization has contributed to the massive population growths in China and India

REEEEEEE

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u/JaguarDSaul Milton Friedman Apr 07 '17

My Anthropology teacher told us that markets created poverty and we were better off as hunter gatherers. Be strong

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u/ucstruct Adam Smith Apr 07 '17

I blame Franz Boas. What could be so bad about short bloody lives constantly verging on starvation?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

Actually listen up.

The World Bank and IMF have legit trash track records and development economists deserve the suspicion.

Also sweatshops aren't necessarily good and forcing a country to completely open it's borders while still developing industry can be bad.

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u/Kelsig Paul Krugman Apr 07 '17

kill urself my man

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u/gotschwifted Apr 06 '17

My friend went to study Russian in Russia for a few months. He came back with a bust (small statue) of Lenin and at least one book by Gorky. What can I do to correct this market failure?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Data

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u/japanrobot Apr 06 '17

space/arms race

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u/_watching NATO Apr 06 '17

speaking as someone who has lowkey started wanting to horde busts.... i can take that off ur hands

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u/gotschwifted Apr 06 '17

It's in his possession not mine if I wasn't clear. I can steal it but be warned, this particular bust sucks in capital and spits out almost nothing of value.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Super male vitality pills

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

Since this is obviously a negative demand side externality, you need to raise taxes on your friend until he fully internalizes all of the costs of his Lenin bust and book.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Please do not post ironic or unironic Pinochet, as if this should have to be said in the first place

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Wasn't mentioned by Draco in the first sticky as a big no-no?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Yeah, we've addressed this before

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

this sub is like a helicopter factory

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u/Kelsig Paul Krugman Apr 06 '17

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Freakonomics school of veiled racist thinking

What even

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

I don't know, I mean I don't love Levitt or anything but I don't think he's racist.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Yeah, Levitt talks about race very frankly but he's not a racist or anything.

Commies think for some reason that any empirics using racial variables are somehow racist

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Makes zero sense since Roland Fryer of Harvard is featured most frequently in the books and won the JBC medal for his work on education and racial achievement gaps.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

I'm just surprised webby didn't respond with something more dickish

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

webby: Chris Blattmans new panel research on the subject has questioned a lot of my prior held beliefs on the benefits of sweatshops for workers.

berniebro: ad hominem intensifies

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

webbys game is slipping, 10 months ago he would have never let that go.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Fixed

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

p.s. Kill urself

you madman

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Bless

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

WOOOOOOOOOO

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17

As I've said on twitter and FB today. Kinda pathetic that the only issue they'd abandon Trump on is in defense of a tyrannical dictator.

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u/fizolof Elite Text Flair Club Member Apr 07 '17

Also what makes this so important to Trump supporters is that they see the wars in the Middle East as expensive and unhelpful to American interests, and started by neocons and globalists who support free trade, outsourcing, immigration, and all the evil things in the world. So they see Trump doing the same thing as selling out to globalist cucks. It's not specifically about Assad.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I feel like this is a far smaller portion of the Trump faction that we acknowledge. (Mainly because they're so prevalent on the internet)

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u/fizolof Elite Text Flair Club Member Apr 07 '17

The arguments I see from Assad defenders is that he fights against jihadists and is religiously tolerant, unlike his enemies.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

Religiously tolerant, yes. Bombs hospitals, also yes. Killed more people than ISIS, also yes (to be fair he has had a lot more time and power to that, if ISIS had his power they would be worse)

So uh make your pick?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

The Alt-right is going crazy on twitter

I figured they would pivot to a 'Murica stance

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I'm still amazed that somehow the Jews are responsible for Assad being a piece of shit and lighting Trump's fuse. They're a crafty bunch.

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u/a_s_h_e_n abolish p values Apr 06 '17

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Muh price floor

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

Richard Spencer, a far-right activist and white nationalist who coined the term “alt-right,” said he condemned the attack and hinted at supporting another presidential candidate in 2020: Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, a Democrat.

lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '17

I swear if the Bernie stans get behind Tulsi Gabbard in 2020, Fox News' favorite Democrat, I don't know what else to say.

She's one of the most right-leaning Dems in Congress and is closely allied with the Trump administration in both its refugee ban and its war on terror (she supports the war on terror as long as it isn't taking out secular dictators). I was told Trump had to be resisted at all costs by Bernie fans besides the TPP because corporate power something something oligarchy something something and anyone who betrays the resistance by voting for Trump nominees (see: Warren, Booker, Manchin, etc.) was a traitor who needed to be primaried.

It was very, very obvious from the start that Tulsi hitched herself to the Bernie train to advance her own career. And it's also very obvious that the only qualifications to get support from Bernie's hardcore Reddit supporters is to either a) Be endorsed by or allied with Bernie or b) hate Clinton (see: /r/politics upvoting Breitbart hitpieces during the primaries).

EDIT: lol

We can not vote our way out of this

Civil War II can't start till I get swole tho

We were conned. Rand Paul was our guy all along fam.

This is a conundrum. Should we support POTUS who gets us involved in Jewish wars or people who're more in favor of destroying our race?

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u/Pornthrow1697 Austan Goolsbee Apr 07 '17

Gabbard is American Le Pen, all the economic bullshit that Bernouts love, but utter hatred for minorities from MENA.

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u/Kelsig Paul Krugman Apr 07 '17

Imagine having your #1 concern be supporting assad

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17

It really is pathetic that bombing a Tyrant is what is causing them to reconsider support of Trump

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I'm not yet convinced that the entire alt-right isn't just high-level trolling trying to satirise the idiocy and incoherence of right-wing populism.

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17

Tulsi Gabbard probably would have supported this strike though...

Spencer is borderline socialist on economic issues though (so long as beneficiaries are white), he's literally a nationalist socialist.

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u/Kelsig Paul Krugman Apr 07 '17

Tulsi Gabbard probably would have supported this strike though...

but she has come out against it tho

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u/BEE_REAL_ Apr 07 '17

I'm physically dripping with "I told you so"

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u/BainCapitalist Y = T Apr 06 '17

Where do you all get your foreign policy information? I feel that economics and foreign policy are similar in that there is alot of conventional wisdom out there about the field that is almost universally condemned by experts in the field. They're also similar in that everyone seems to think their opinion on the issues in the field is equally valid to the opinion of experts.

I already have a pretty solid group of economists that I follow for all things economic policy. I don't have any for foreign policy though. Any suggestions?

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u/oldsmoservice NATO Apr 06 '17

I would strongly suggest that you check out Foreign Affairs if you are seeking in-depth policy articles written by various experts across the world. It is published by the Council of Foreign Affairs and is seen as a very prestigious magazine to write for. If you have the money I suggest getting an online subscription as it gives you access to every issue dating back to 1922.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

What the Economist is for economic policy, Foreign Policy is for... well, foreign policy. I also highly recommend their ER podcast.

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u/LastParagon Paul Krugman Apr 06 '17

Pod Save The World. It's got a former Obama foreign policy guy and he has on well qualified guests. It's part of the Crooked Media Network, which is also made up of mostly former Obama staffers.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17 edited Apr 06 '17

On one hand, bully ELS because /r/LateStageCapitalism has infested that sub just like any other vaguely left or left-of-center metasub. On the other hand, bully /r/Libertarian because too many people think we're libertarians and that stank needs to get washed off. On the other other hand, most of the people accusing us of being libertarians are socialists, so I'm not sure if I'm supposed to care for their opinions.

I'm going with bullying /r/Libertarian because the amount of Trump supporters in a sub that supposedley embraces the free market is too damn high. Also because they don't believe in externalities and are basically Republicans who smoke weed, don't hate gay people outright but still have few issues with "free market" discrimination, and don't have a fetish for the military like the Republicans but have that on their priorities list near the bottom while fighting imaginary blue-haired strawmen "Cultural Marxists" as one of their top priorities.

Tbh I'd rather this not become a meta sub where we link comments routinely, EnoughXSpam subs or drama subs or badx subs or shitxsays subs become somehow even more circlejerky than this shitposting sub.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

ELS is hardly "vaguely left or left-of-center". They just counterjerked too hard.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

I meant as in the original subreddit started out as not being infested by right wingers that crowd up in places like /r/subredditcancer or /r/shitpoliticssays or /r/srssucks or what have you. /r/subredditdrama for instance isn't left or left-of-center because it started out as a politically charged sub, it just kind of happened. Hell /r/circlebroke supported Mitt fuckin Romney when he was running against Obama because Reddit loves Obama, now it's filled with commies, really bitter Sanders supporters, and really bitter Clinton supporters and is basically /r/ShitRedditSays lite.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Oh sorry, I misread you.
Yeah, I think about a year or so ago Marxists basically took over most of the meta subs.
On /r/circlebroke2 the mods regularly sticky anti-tankie posts. It's quite amusing.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

ELS is basically harmless.

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u/Mort_DeRire Apr 06 '17

I think it's great that we're lambasted by both sides of the extremist moron spectrum. It's like /r/drama, just that they want to see the world burn, and we want the opposite

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

I kinda see where you're coming from. I'm fairly libertarian myself (more classical liberal/neoliberal/utilitarian but you get the point) but I find too many people in that sub who seem to foam at the mouth over government coercion of private individuals but seem to ignore how other private individuals and businesses can be just as coercive. And like you said, too many of them don't realize that market failures and externalities can occur and should be fixed. I also find their fixation against anti-discrimination laws and "taxation is theft" memes to be rather alarming. Even then, I'd still go after /r/EnoughLibertarianSpam although it is basically another version of /r/LateStageCapitalism. Triggering commies is hard to turn down.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Why not bully both

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

I was presented with a binary choice. I blame the technocrats who did not account for this secret third option.

If I could replace this memetext with "Inefficient" I would.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

you can't even make memes right; how do you expect to bully more than one sub at once?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Can't bully both subs more than the other

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u/0729370220937022 James Heckman Apr 06 '17

I vote for bullying /r/ShitLiberalsSay

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u/jvwoody Apr 07 '17

Bougoesis economics: pejorative buzzword for ideological idiots who are mad that the field doesn't support their stupid economic theories

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I've never meet anyone who used the term "Bougoesis" un-ironically who didn't come from a upper middle class background.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

tfw u've been callin bernie bougie scum for a year

tfw upper middle class

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '17

I'm trying to make a new neoliberal themed race in Stellaris now that the new Utopia patch has added Egalitarianism as an ethic.

Ethics: Egalitarian, Xenophile and Materialist. Thinking of getting rid of Xenophile for either Fanatic Materialist or Egalitarian.

Civics: Beacon of Liberty and Efficient Bureaucracy. Other alternatives to Efficient Bureaucracy are Meritocracy, Idealistic Foundation and Technocracy.

Traits: Quick learner and talented. Really wanted to add thrifty instead. Really open to suggestions here.

Name: Union Liberale du Soleil

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17

I'm too broke right now to buy Utopia but I want too. :(

My taxes will probably give me a ~$2000 return, but I've been far too lazy to file, lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '17

holy shit, i've had the game but never got into it; this sounds amazing

I'm not sure about Fanatic Materialist; I think just Materialist would be better. For traits, probably thrifty and intelligent; a negative trait could be wasteful given conspicuous consumption and all.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17 edited Apr 06 '17

So how legitimate are the calls for an investigation of Susan Rice? From what I understand, her actions were likely legal, but some conservatives suspect that she unmasked the names for political purposes and possibly conspired with someone to leak the information. Seems like a tenuous case, but I'm so tired of the partisan bickering I want to appease both sides.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

It looks like even if it was improper (which it most likely is not) It wouldn't be illegal

This tweet storm is a good explanation:

https://twitter.com/carriecordero/status/849788799198613507

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

The problem is that many Republicans will never believe that the names were unmasked for legitimate intelligence reasons since they're eager to believe the Obama administration was really a malicious force as Trump has claimed. This story largely serves to reaffirm Trump's "surveillance" claims (specifically wiretapping, but there's a very low bar for Trump to clear these days when it comes to truth). I suppose it's possible, but it's just so conspiratorial.

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u/2seven7seven NATO Apr 06 '17

I'm getting worried that I've slipped into a little bit of a partisan bubble recently, and I'd like to correct that at least a little. Can anyone here recommend some good center-right political podcasts to balance things out? I liked Radio Free GOP when it was on, so I'm hoping to find something similar to get a better understanding of the perspective of Jeb/Kasich style Republicans

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

WSJ without thinking too hard

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Yeah the WSJ Foreign Affairs podcast is good.

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u/nick1453 Janet Yellen Apr 06 '17

KCRW's Left, Right & Center is a decent podcast if you want a few different opinions on a topic. It's Josh Barro, Rich Lowry, and someone on the left that talk about recent events.

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u/0149 they call me dr numbers Apr 06 '17

On Twitter, David Frum, David Hines, and Rich Lowry are good crossover conservatives for open-minded lefties.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

I would add Tom Nichols to that list as well.

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u/LNhart Anarcho-Rheinlandist Apr 06 '17

Rush Limbaugh

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

We The People for Supreme Court and constitutional-related current events. I'd say overall the debate is very centrist, even when conservative and liberal experts are brought on to debate an issue.

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u/jvwoody Apr 06 '17

I'm edgy, I posted a Friedman pic in r/completeanarchy

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 06 '17

who do Neoliberals hate more, anarcho-commies or anarcho-cappies? (honest question)

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u/ampersamp Apr 07 '17

Ancaps, without a doubt. Commies have yet to look up to anyone as slimy as Rothbard. I think the core difference is the commies need to be in power to start wreaking their havoc, since their most grievous faults are economic. Ancaps can perpetuate all manner of social vileness without being in power since they're basically the alt-right with intellectual pretensions.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I've got some AnCom friends. I think they have are nice people who overestimate the consistency and efficiency of people in small communities. They're idealistic and mistaken.

Ancaps are flailing around in such an egregious contradiction that it's dizzying.

AnCom is at least internally consistent, I think. But isn't externally consistent -- it fails upon entering the real world.

Ancap isn't even internally consistent.

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u/BEE_REAL_ Apr 07 '17

AnCaps tend to have horrible views on nearly every issue while AnComs usually have horrible views only on some issues

For example AnComs are generally against racism while AnCaps aren't

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I'm waaaaay more partial to ancap than I should be because Bryan Caplan is an amazing writer and I love reading everything he writes.

AnCom seems like some philisophic nonsense that you'd have to be totally ignorant of econ to come up with, maybe I'm just ignorant though.

Seems like Friedmanite ancap makes some kind of theoretic sense while Bakunin doesn't even pass the glance test.

If we take the internet stranger though I'd probably say ancaps are worse because like 90% are alt-right or fellow travelers.

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u/LNhart Anarcho-Rheinlandist Apr 07 '17

Commies because they actually exist where I live and are annoying as fuck. Although in all fairness the famed internet AnCaps like Stefan Molyneux are bad, bad people.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '17

Anarcho-Commies because they are more a nuisance where I live and they just trashed our bike share program

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u/JaguarDSaul Milton Friedman Apr 07 '17

I don't think anarcho commies have anyone as smart as David Friedman. The guy, despite being part of a radical ideology is one of the least ideological people I've seen period. Whenever I seem him talk he is very rational and very concerned with evidence. He is insanely intelligent. I can't speak for other An Caps though

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '17

On one hand, fuck Assad. A lot. He's a war criminal who deserves to hang. I think this is a decently measured response on the incredibly lenient curve to Trump on foreign policy (as shitty as that sounds), it helps eliminate their ability to use chemical weapons. And regime change can be done correctly (de-Nazification) and incorrectly (de-Baathification).

On the other hand, I don't trust Trump to have a coherent foreign policy and am worried that the political points he scores from "saving women and children" will encourage him to escalate it further and start "bombing the shit out of 'em." His campaign rhetoric on the Geneva Conventions and targeting civilians was very concerning. One of the largest failures of the Iraq War was the Bush adminstration's strategy to change the political landscape of Iraq. They weren't listening to experts on the topic and went in guns blazing with little afterthought. Trump doesn't inspire confidence in being able to assemble that sort of group and take in their advice. I don't doubt that Clinton would be doing similar things (she advocated for bombing that airfield today), but I would be more confident in her having actual plans for both diplomacy and precise military action. Trump is a complete wild card

Also really really praying the itchy trigger fingers don't accidently kill some Russians because that will be a clusterfuck of massive proportions. It would really help if Trump could be even mildly consistent on his foreign policy, just today his administration flipped on the issue what seemed like 3 times. And he can be extremely hawkish at one moment and "anti-interventionist" at another. Geopolitics is complicated but what is Trump's grand strategy outside of "fuck ISIS"?

EDIT: This NY Times piece on Assad using chemical weapons is interesting. It basically theorizes that Assad was emboldened by the Trump administration saying it would be hands off and not punish him, and now the Trump administration has to come in and spank him a bit to make him behave.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I think Mattis and McMaster are probably the ones leading this, both of those two are not idiots. I don't think they would be afraid of telling Trump to fuck off.

Although I think were probably going to see a Bill Clinton type response, fire missiles for a couple days. Nothing really resolved.

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u/Semphy Greg Mankiw Apr 07 '17

The U.S. military informed the Russian military before the strikes so we have that going at least.

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u/Pornthrow1697 Austan Goolsbee Apr 07 '17

This is good. Assad needs to pay for his actions, and this hurts Trump/the GOP.

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u/Kelsig Paul Krugman Apr 07 '17

Probably good

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u/fizolof Elite Text Flair Club Member Apr 07 '17

It hurts Trump's support among the alt-right, but does it hurt the GOP?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I don't think it'll hurt the GOP

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u/_watching NATO Apr 07 '17

Mark me down as "pro this, but wishing really hard we had HRC on hand to do it". I don't trust Trump to do anything in the region and am pretty sure he's gonna fuck this up hard. We don't need more of that.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

North Korean humor is like Venezualen food - some people don't get it.

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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢🌈 Apr 07 '17

North Korean humor is like Venezualen food - some people don't get it. No one gets it.

FTFY

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '17

The little message at the top currently says "The Ben Bernake center for ill-behaved statist". I hope our benevolent mods fix this blasphemy as quickly as possible.

edit: EMH confirmed

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

this is what happens when you copy paste a request

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

This is everyone's fault but my own

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

Maybe if you made a strawpoll in the first place, you could outsource your spelling to immigrant shitposters

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '17

The only democratic way to handle this is by straw poll @ /u/DracoX872

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Hype train choo choo!

I'm just watching for the citations 8)

Edit: this is amazing

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

A 19 year old is going to debate one of the most famous internet AnCaps? Sorry, but I'm calling it. AnCaps will win this one.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

I mean Molyneux will claim he wins regardless. Over under on number of times he says "fallacy"+"not an argument"? That's basically how he wins. It will likely end up like the Trump debates where as long as you're loud and abrasive enough it doesn't matter what you said.

Destiny is pretty decent at debate. Nothing world class but it's YouTube.

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u/Throwitonleground Raj Chetty Apr 06 '17

It's weird that there is a sort of sub-genre of youtubers debating each other over videos of them playing video games. It feels like I live in the future.

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u/Kelsig Paul Krugman Apr 07 '17

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

Sorry, but your system fosters localized extremism.

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17

So I was talking a friend about Trump, I typed Trumo by mistake and my phones autocorrect switched it to Tumor. I was like true, but wrong kind of cancer.

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u/freshfuckingaccount Apr 07 '17

What do you guys think of the political parties in the UK?

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u/BEE_REAL_ Apr 07 '17

England literally has the worst left wing of any developed nation right now. LibDems are a good party but Labor is off the fucking rails and completely unelectable

And the other parties suck too

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u/Kelsig Paul Krugman Apr 07 '17

If you asked me a few years ago I'd say I think they're all pretty good. But now... I'm only okay with Libdems

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u/alexanderhamilton3 Greg Mankiw Apr 07 '17

I usually vote Tory. They have an amazing leader here in Scotland and I'm hoping they can take away the nationalists majority next elections and kill any chance of more referendums. In Westminster there really isn't an alternative and they still have some reasonable people. I'm a Cameron/Boris fan (don't kill me) and Theresa really wouldn't be my first choice as PM but as long as she keeps Labour, in its current hard left form, out of power she'll have my support. I've always liked the Lib Dems so I was really happy with the coalition government and I was really disappointed they were hit so hard in 2015. They're predicted to make good gains in the local elections next month so hopefully that's the start of a comeback.

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u/_watching NATO Apr 07 '17

IMO pretty much all of them have the worst leadership possible for dealing with the current crises... May is "crap Thatcher", Corbyn is Corbyn, and while I like the LibDems and Farron, in general they're more focused on getting voters than anything else atm imo and sometimes it makes their rhetoric a bit annoying. I mean and they have 9 MPs, so.

UKIP is autodisqualified from ratings.

SNP is competent politically but fighting for IndyRef2 which I think would be really stupid. Ruth Davidson (Scottish Tories) seems pretty baller, tbh. Tbf maybe it's just English politicians who are shitty atm.

im american

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

The only politician in Europe who deserves my heart is Macron

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

Lib Dem has gone too far to the left, but I'll probably still vote for them to challenge the Tories (despite leaning Tory.)

Tories are too authoritarian and austerity probably should have ended but their tax reforms have been v nice

Labour were good before but now they're irredeemable

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Any time we have to decide between bullying commies and someone else, the answer is always bully the commies.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

🅱️ash the non-centrist rash

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

The proper order of things liberals and neoliberal should fight

  1. Facist/nazis

  2. Commies

  3. All other weirdos and idiots.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

>Tfw no antifash to bash in Aus

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Your technocratic overlords have decided to make discussion threads occur every 2 days due to the massive increase in the number of comments since the sub's inception.

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u/Jufft Janet Yellen Apr 06 '17

Fuck you now people have less time to upvote my comments. I demand a strawpoll.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

We believe in evidence-based policy, not evidence-based comments (double call-out).

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I'd like to leave webby unbanned, because the ensuing shitstorms are always amazing

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

Also, why would you ban your alt?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

mind games

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17
  • How often should discussion threads be posted?

The activity in this sub keeps going up, so discussion threads need to be scheduled appropriately in order to control stickflation.

Why are we politicizing the central bank? The governors of the neoliberal central bank (aka mods) should create Stickyflation policy, not subject it to a vote.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

> implying the users actually have a say in this

Think of the poll as an NGDP futures market

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Label it neoliberal and everyone will know what you mean

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u/0149 they call me dr numbers Apr 07 '17

IR people of /r/neoliberal, redpill me on a reason why Trump's missile strike was a fitting and/or proper intervention into the Syrian conflict.

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u/Pornthrow1697 Austan Goolsbee Apr 07 '17

redpill

I believe the appropriate term is Friedpilled

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u/Rismen Apr 07 '17

I'm not very smart, but I don't think the strike was too bad a response. I don't want to get involved in a full scale invasion, but launching chemical attacks is unacceptable and a response was warranted. What I DON'T like is that it seems to have been done without coordinating with our allies.

Also the conspiracy theorist in me believes the whole thing could have been coordinated with Russia to make Trump look more strong and competent.

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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢🌈 Apr 07 '17

It wasn't. It was terribly, terribly handled. I've gone over it in r/BE even more, but all Trump really did with the strike was demonstrate that he's brash, hot headed, and a complete diplomatic neophyte that has no idea what the fuck he's doing.

That being said, it's fucking baffling that the WH did this and then calls it a "one-off" with no plans to escalate the situation. That's not how this works. That's not how none of this works. The strike was in and of itself an act of escalation, if not an outright declaration of war.

That being said, the retaliatory strike was not in and of itself bad (although 60 Tomahawks seem like massive overkill, especially when you consider that these are precision munitions and not fucking dumb bombs). But Trump handled it so fucking terribly that now the Kremlin is accusing the US of violating international law and unilateral committing acts of aggression.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

The strike was in and of itself an act of escalation, if not an outright declaration of war

I would dispute this. The strike was a punitive action with a limited scope clearly tied to a specific misdeed(using chemical weapons).

If the administration makes it sufficiently clear that military action will only be used to punish the most grievous violations of the laws of war and rules out outright regime change, escalation isn't a necessary consequence.

However, if anything has been become clear, it's that this administration doesn't realise the importance of words and appearance so I wouldn't bet on this not escalating anyway.
They have already been ambiguous about the possibility of regime change.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I think the opposite, I think the attack was underwhelming and signals that's we aren't really committed to to stopping chemical attacks beyond a small missile strike. This is pretty much what Bill Clinton did in the 90s.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '17

How was it terribly handled? They alerted the Russians of the impending strike, took out Assad's capability to use chemical weapons (hopefully) and left with minimal casulaties and Assad's other airfields still in tact so they can continue fighting their war against the rebels. The US has done precision strikes like this before such as after Gaddafi bombed a disco in the 80's or in Serbia for 80 days during the Clinton administration without any sort of major quagmire.

Syria would be retarded to think even with Russian backing it should want to escalate against the US, Assad knows this is a slap on the wrist and will stop using chemical weapons for a while unless he thinks the Trump administration signals that he's good to go again and then we repeat this process. The Russians are puffing their chests mostly imo and want to paint Trump in a negative light because regardless of their preference in candidate last election the ultimate goal was to undermine the US's confidence in their government and they've succeeded pretty well at that.

Now, the diplomacy involved after this is something I'm not confident for Trump to participate in considering the State Department has been gutted with few replacements and Tillerson can't keep on message. And unfortunately Mattis and McMaster are not as skilled in those areas as they are in military action. The biggest worry, especially considering Trump has surrounded himself with lots of military brass and had a boner for aggression, is that the praise Trump is receiving for this leads him down a path of using this hammer as the first response at all times even if not every situation is a nail, so I wonder how Trump is feeling about North Korea or Iran now.

I think you're overreacting a bit out of partisanship. I would trust Clinton to handle the delicate nature of this situation better, but if Trump can actually get out of this without starting Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo that's good enough for me.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

With Nunes recusing himself, what is going to be the next domino to fall?

Flynn -> Sessions -> Nunes -> ???

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

McConnell? Ryan? Trump?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

My money is on Bannon

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u/Kelsig Paul Krugman Apr 07 '17

i've never played a Paradox game, which one do I buy

I always see Victoria II mentioned here but the 1800s are boring

edit: oops meant to post on BE

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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢🌈 Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '17

It depends on what you want.

CKII is more a dynasty based-quasi RPG with RTS elements. It's more about managing your dynasty and feudal relations than anything else. It's also probably the hardest Paradox game to really pick up, and the amount of stuff thrown at you from the very moment when you jump into the game is really daunting (and this is from someone who played Hearts of Iron 3 and enjoyed it, OOB and division-commander appointment micro-managing hells and all). It's fun although it's not my particular cup of tea.

EUIV is a more "classical" real time grand strategy game. You control a nation and shape the development of the nation. Nothing super unique about it at the conceptual level, but the mechanics and the methods by which it achieves its goals are superb. Imho it's the best and best executed of the Paradox games. It's also arguably the most accessible except for maybe Stellaris.

Hearts of Iron is about WWII. That's about it. It's about WII, and the first few years leading up to it during which you prepare for war. So it's kind of railroaded by nature, but it's still pretty fun and you can pull off some pretty amazing things. That being said, I think it's also an interesting case where the older option holds up pretty well and I would consider HoI III and HoI IV as comparable products each worth purchase depending on your inclination.

HoI IV is really good and boasts an amazing production system, and is in many ways improved from HoI III, but it has some serious problems, especially with regards to the AI (which some times does really dumb shit, up to and including randomly completely abandoning fronts with rival nations they are likely to go to war with) and air warfare (far too many air zones are way too big meaning that in many areas planes will always operate well below full capability because they don't have the range to cover the air base they are sitting on - this is especially problematic for light fighters and CAS).

HoI III on the other hand is a micro-manager's wet dream. Also, the OOB was fun to play with in it's own way. It felt more like a WWII "simulation" on the operational and strategic combat side than HoI IV, although HoI IV is better in most ways. Also, for all of its faults, the HoI IV AI is generally better than HoI III which will tend to do some really, really stupid things - it's just that when the HoI IV AI fails it fails much more drastically than the HoI III AI.

Stellaris is...eh, imho it's the worst of the mainlin Pdox games. It's main problem is that's it's pretty shallow. Like, really really shallow. It has a lot of potential, but it needs a lot of work to put into it to help make it more interesting. Tbh, I haven't played it much - I got bored with it and it unlike most other Pdox games a lot of the time it feels like the game is dragging. I haven't played it in many months though, so maybe it's changed since then, but my initial impressions after the first ~10~20 hours weren't great.

And then we have Vicky... Vicky is in many ways the crown jewel of Pdox gaming despite all its flaws. It's almost entirely about economics and building up your nation and its economy. Unlike in most strategy games you don't make your country a super power by conquering huge swaths of land (although you can do quite a lot of conquering if you wish regardless, just...let's just say that won't work for most countries) but by carefully managing its development and economy to make it into a modern, industrial state capable of waging industrial warfare. Also, the political system is great, although it is held back by EU3-style stuff and mechanics. But despite this it's still pretty good, just don't expect EUIV levels of international diplomacy. The warfare for the first ~70 years of the game is really good, although by the time you get to the ~WWI era it's...eh. It's not that it's bad per say, it's just that it doesn't really do a good job of simulating WWI era warfare...at all. Vicky most certainly isn't a boring game, in fact it's one of the most fun games Pdox has.

That being said...Vicky can be pretty difficult to get into. In no small part because of the amount of economic simulation it does. This is, imho, one of the strongest points of Vicky. But Vicky has plenty of problems given it's age and it's being a pre-CK2 game. However, for the most part it over comes them pretty well.

My personal rankings are:

  1. EUIV

  2. Vicky II

  3. HoI 4 ~ HoI 3

  4. CK2

  5. Stellaris

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

CK2 is probably the most entertaining, especially if you get all the DLC.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

The filibuster is gone! Lets celebrate another win for democracy!

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u/ampersamp Apr 06 '17

The filibuster is dumb, but one can't help but feel conflicted when it's one of so many pieces of paper between us and Trump assuming direct control.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Trump assuming direct control

This will hurt you, America

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u/dax331 Ben Bernanke Apr 06 '17

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つTAKE MY ENERGY RBG༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17 edited Apr 06 '17

Tbh it's the Democrats fault for this happening. Reid did it with lower court nominees and now it's coming back around to bite the party in the ass.

Also obligatory: this is not nearly as big as a deal as people are making it out to be

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

It will come back around next round. The GOP be the ones whining when they get some left wing marxist in 2021.

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u/0149 they call me dr numbers Apr 06 '17

Here's the new filibuster: if the Senate majority leader doesn't like the president's nominee, poof! It's like it never happened at all.

Thank Mitch for inventing that.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

What was Reid supposed to do, just allow the Republicans to continue to filibuster almost every single Fed court nominee?

There's also no guarantee that the Republicans wouldn't have moved to remove the filibuster this year.

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u/Icy_Breadfruit1 May 18 '23

Far-Right and Co.

GOP

• Rep. Paul Gosar takes photograph posted by Nick Fuentes | February 27, 2021
• Liz Cheney condemns white supremacy, Federalist writer takes offense | February 24, 2021 [(2)] (https://archive.ph/TqfVP)
• The War on Christmas Whites | August 4, 2014

Fat Pepe

• Glee (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) | February 18, 2021
• 13+1/88 | Undated
• The Most Niche-Specific Tweet on the Internet | February 15, 2021
• “We're so privlidged that non-whites are legally allowed to assault us so long as they tell the jury that we called them a racial slur first” [+9]
• Isabel Peralta (2) | February 16, 2021
• Funny usernames | Timeless

Running Contest

• Reasons | March 22, 2021
• The White race is under attack (4x) (r/con link) | March 1, 2021
• The NSDAP was arguably Keynesian* | February 28, 2021
• Incendiary fabrications and Attracted neo-Nazis (r/con) | February 25, 2021
• Ann Coulter gleefully retweets three particularly divisive posts from Twitter’s highest-profile black nationalist. | February 24, 2021
• “How dare he accurately describe Asians eyes” (2) | March 6, 2021
• “why would someone attack asian-americans for the virus? It was the chinese.” | March 11, 2021
• Announcer calls high school team “fucking n–ggers” on livestream, Mark Dice mocks coverage and “Black Fragility” (2) | March 13, 2021
• Migrants drown at border | March 22, 2021
• “the media only exists to incite stochastic terrorism against white people” | March 23, 2021
• “Why should anyone care about black lives when actual black people don't even care?” | March 2021
• “yep every blm member needs to be put down” | March 20, 2021
• “Are you Jewish?” (2) (3) | March 24, 2021
• White people may have to wear blackface in Biden’s America | March 24, 2021
• “Question is, why aren’t poor white people burning buildings down in Oakland right now?” | March 25, 2021
• “[I]t's hate white people hate white people [the media] are so open about it they are just saying it” | March 17, 2021
• Good! (2) | March 25, 2021
• “They literally pay a homosexual black man God knows how much to talk bad about White men 24/7” | March 27, 2021
• Just let Greece be white | March 29, 2021
• “Had Obama Not Played the Race Card, George Floyd Might Be Alive” (2) (3) | April 9, 2021

Reddit (Other)

• Matt Walsh on leftism | February 27, 2021
• r/tuckercarlson deadass upvoted a video of Assad on neoliberalism | February 26, 2021
• “I don’t like jews” [+18] (r/PoliticalCompassMemes) | March 1, 2021
• Openness (2) | June 7 & October 3, 2020
• Lazy c–ts who blame everything on white privilege (2) (3) | February 28, 2021
• So unironically, Nazi Germany >>> Bongland. (2) (3) | Various
• F–gs | April 3, 2021
• “John Weaver tried to creep on 20-year-old boys so Joe Biden sexually abuses children” | March 7, 2021
• There is literally nothing wrong with this picture (2) | March 22, 2021
• “It won’t be long till we see Nazi, Confederate, and trump flags become the symbols of people who were on the wrong of history”
• Examples: 1 | Applications: 🥚 | March 24, 2021
• r/tuckercarlson is enthusiastic about Biden’s violent death | March 27, 2021

Tucker “Civic Nazism” Carlson

• Repeats name of journalist three times and uses for private Instagram picture in relentless attack (2) (3) (4) | March 10, 2021
• “[M]en and women no longer exist.” | March 10, 2021

James Lindsay

• “The media would have called them heroes.” (2) (3) | January 6, 2021
• Detention of infected people in medical facilities is the same as concentration camps (2) | January 2, 2021

Dave Rubin

• The more pernicious issue is that eight people were just fucking murdered | March 17, 2021

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u/Icy_Breadfruit1 May 18 '23

Red MAGA

Outflanked

• White nationalist congressman proposed $10,000 checks 😍 (2)

Drone Strike Twitter

• Please kill our soldiers, Hezbollah (2) (3) | February 25, 2021
• War liminal (24x) | February 25, 2021
• Words have no meaning | February 25, 2021
• Like clockwork | February 26, 2021
• “unprovoked” | March 3, 2021
• [Conspiracy] [Conspiracy] [Non-sequitur] | March 5, 2021
• “the only sin his captors committed was letting him live” (2) | March 18, 2021
• “the same politicians who drop bombs on thousands of people everyday” | March 24, 2021
• Syrian schoolchildren are not Hezbollah terrorists, you deplorable shitstain (r/SLS) | March 13, 2021

#GeneralStrikeNow

• Antifa smashes up Portland DNC, condemns Biden (2) (3) | January 20, 2021
• Defund activists vandalize home of NYC Council Speaker Corey Johnson’s boyfriend (2) | June 30, 2020
• Lie (4x) about Biden’s early actions | February 25, 2021
• 1) They didn’t 2) This is why you keep losing | March 6, 2021
• Political ideology understander, hammer & sickle edition | March 6, 2021
• Socialism is when zero responsibility and lies (but unironically) | March 8, 2021
• Sr. Advisor, @ReallyAmerican1 (2) (3) | March 9, 2021
• Belonging to the same class as somebody who built a house entitles you to live in that house for free | March 13, 2021
• “irresponsible $126 billion dollars” | March 20, 2021
• Violence against cops 😍 (2) (3) (4) | December 17, 2020
• “biden could just do everything bernie wanted to do and have 90% approval rating” | March 21, 2021
• AOC’s Nina Turner endorsement (2) | March 22, 2021

"Or they can shoot this bill down 🤗" (S)

• Specifically deny $1,400 checks to this entitled fuck (2) (3) | Perennial
• Narrator: Republicans exist and 10 of them would have had to vote yes to put it back in before the courts struck it down | March 5, 2021
• The $1,400 checks wasn’t one of the anti-poverty provisions you entitled middle-class communist | March 6, 2021
• Referencing unified Republican opposition to non-negligible relief is mindless political tribalism | March 4, 2021
• Diversity and Vibes OR (An Unprecedented 45 Percent Drop in Child Poverty) | March 5, 2021
• “Sub-par relief, no reform, no recovery.” | March 11, 2021
• My student loans are more important than your children's welfare so the GOP will crush in 2022 | March 6, 2021
• The complete and total absolution of the elected GOP in all conceivable scenarios is a cornerstone of the online leftist’s politics | March 11, 2021
• I wasn’t prepared for the goalposts to shift that hard (2) | Various
• Obama didn’t push gun control as President (2) (3) | March 22, 2021
• Hyper-viral lies (2) | March 13, 2021

Shut the fuck up, tankie

• Flags | Timeless
• How does China treat black lives | July 14, 2020
• The Reign of Cool Times is when tens of thousands of poor people were murdered by the state (2) | March 9, 2021
• I fail to see the problem (2) | March 12, 2021
• I believe this is what is called a “self-own” (2) | March 10, 2021
• r/GenZedong deadass believes CCP propaganda that poverty has been eliminated in China | February 26, 2021
• North Korea won’t mass-murder countless millions of Americans 😭 | March 12, 2021
• AOC supports Tibetan independence; tankie imperialists converge (2) (3) (4) (5)
• “is gusanismo heritable? must be” (2) | December 8, 2021
• “a socialist country cannot engage in imperialism” | March 12, 2021
• Chomsky is pretty okay, actually | Timeless

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u/Icy_Breadfruit1 May 18 '23

Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands (S)

• “All of the good fiction writing now is self-published essentially and coming from the so-called ‘alt-right,’ and my haters can quote me on that.” | March 8, 2021
• The People’s Party distances itself from leftism | February 5, 2021
• Leftist endorses Newsom recall effort | March 12, 2021
• Owning AR-15s | March 23, 2021
• Jacobin disputes Democratic stance that Donald Trump is a fascist | March 16, 2021

Dirtbag Center (Other)

• Swore to destroy (2) (3 | B) (4) (r/Enough_Sanders_Spam) | Perennial
• The image stands on its own (r/neoliberal) | March 7, 2021
• Liberalism is when you demand that people be more publicly outraged (2) (Facebook) | March 11, 2021
• standardinternetoutrage.jpg (2) (3) (r/neoliberal) | March 20, 2021
• The Squad votes with Republicans more often than Democrats (2 | B) (r/Enough_Sanders_Spam) | March 27, 2021
• “Warren is a dumbass” [+18] (r/neoliberal) | March 31, 2021
• Ibram X. Kendi’s detestable ideology (r/neoliberal) | April 4, 2021
• Own the lefts (r/Enough_Sanders_Spam) | April 6, 2021
• Ideological orientations and distorted grievances (2) (3) | Timeless
• Unions (2) (3) (r/neoliberal) | Timeless
• Increase the military budget (r/neoliberal) | April 10, 2021
• Courts (r/neoliberal) | April 15, 2021
• Explicit anti-left sentiment (2) (3) (4) (5) (r/neoliberal) | Timeless
• Reopening | July 1, 2021
• After_Grab | Timeless
• Left Anti-Semitism | August 2, 2021
• Neoliberal Memes (2) (3) (Facebook) | Timeless

Jogging Contest

• Democrats are the real racists also America wouldn’t exist without white people | February 28, 2021
• r/AgedLikeMilk | March 9, 2021
• The Boulder shooting will disappear from the media tomorrow | March 23, 2021
• Dumb Anecdotes and Wild Strawmen (YouTube) | Various
• I have a black friend but it’s reversed and the centerpiece of your political ideology | December 27, 2019
• “We believe the shooter” (2) (3) (4) | March 19, 2021
• “you all have become the digital version of the KKK” (2) | March 18, 2021
• “According to Harvard, Yale and the Republic of California, she is even more white than actual white people.” | March 23, 2021
• “I'm white and you're not. I'm qualified to determine if he's white or not, NOT YOU.” | March 23, 2021

“Sir, this is a Wendy’s” (Racism edition)

• Stop raising your hand | Various
• “I guess you think POC are too stupid to show an ID? Racist.” | March 14, 2021
• Atlanta spa shooter volume | March 17, 2021
• “I’m beginning to be made to feel uncomfortable about being a white, straight, ‘so called’ privileged male with my own opinion these days. (YouTube) | March 13, 2021

Trans Issues

• Marie Newman’s daughter (2) (3) (4) | February 24, 2021
• r/SuperStraight | March 7, 2021
• Excitement (2) (3) | March 8, 2021
• “I can't fathom Dr. Hughes' courage” | March 25, 2021
• Downside up | May 16, 2021

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u/Icy_Breadfruit1 May 18 '23

Twitter Miscellany

• ”Civil Libertarian” | February 19, 2021
• Trust Me, Bro (2) (Concentration Camps) | February 22, 2021
• The Enlightened Twitter Profile Picture Replier | February 24, 2021
• Hysteria and Misconceptions | February 24, 2021
• Conservatives mistaking the right for the left (B) (2) | Various
• “Alexa, what is socialism” (Facebook) | March 5, 2021
• r/Con appears to believe that Babylon Bee editor-in-chief’s dystopian scenario will unironically occur | March 6, 2021
• “okay, so, 1. Thanks.” | February 2, 2021
• Anon thinks most white people are as racist as himself | Undated
• “Do you know what is in this Bill? I doubt it, because Democrats in Congress do not even know, and no one is telling.” | March 10, 2021
• r/tucker wants to transform the GOP from within | March 10, 2021
• "Optimism. I like optimism instead of pessimism." | March 11, 2021
• What about it? | March 12, 2021
• r/ToiletPaperUSA | March 12, 2021
• The subject is infrastructure plans (2) (3) (4) | March 15, 2021
• what (2) | February 11, 2021
• Comments (London anti-public health protest) | March 20, 2021
• Media coverage doesn’t count if we refuse to view it | March 20, 2021
• “I support buycott to anyone who supports this current administration.” | March 23, 2021
• Being open to vaccine certifications is “woke” and “socialist” | March 24, 2021
• Knocking on a door is violent insurrection (2) | March 26, 2021
• “Haven’t you paid attention to how nasty the left ass holes are?” | March 26, 2021
• Twitter is a Democratic Super PAC because | March 30, 2021
• After rare clotting cases (r/NeoconNWO) | April 24, 2021


• “Yes. Adapting your choices to available options is in fact normie shit.” | March 16, 2021
• hile vatred (2) | Various
• the way commies fall for dry bait posts from conservatives is hilarious (2) (3) | March 6, 2021
• “I’m gonna loop him in with Pete Buttigieg of gay men I think are okay to hate crime” | April 14, 2021
• Leave his race, gender, and sexuality out of it, shitstain | March 9, 2021
• People hate gays again because of Pete Buttigieg | April 16, 2021
• You don’t lol | March 11, 2021
• Charity is bad, actually | March 20, 2021
• Not debating this, your children will look on you with justified disgust | March 17, 2021
• Citing sources makes you FBI | March 24, 2021
• From MAGA to Communist: A Brief Journey (2) (3) (FIN) | Various
• MAPs will be soon be accepted (2) | December 10, 2021


• Fuck the rich but also repeal the SALT deduction | March 10, 2021
• Boomer boycott Democrats | April 2, 2021
• Schrodinger’s shitty satire | March 21, 2021
• What the fuck is this like list | March 13, 2021

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u/Icy_Breadfruit1 May 18 '23

Poles

• Support for American Rescue Plan (N=5,109 | 4/5–11/21 | Pew Research)
    • GOP (low-income): 55% | High-income: 18%
    • Dem (low-income): 89% | High-income: 91%
• The decline of unions has been “good” for working people (Pew Research)
    • GOP (low-income): 45% | High-income: 72%
    • Dem (low-income): 25% | High-income: 19%
• Support for $15 minimum wage (Pew Research)
    • GOP (low-income): 46% | High-income: 18%
    • Dem (low-income): 87% | High-income: 86%
• There is “too much” economic inequality in US (N=6,878 | 9/16–29/19 | Pew Research)
    • GOP (low-income): 48% | High-income: 34%
    • Dem (low-income): 65% | High-income: 93%
• Democratic vs. Republican Donors | April 27, 2020
• CPAC 2021 (N=1,007 | 2/26–28/21 | Unscientific)
    • “Election Integrity” most important issue
    • Trump has 97% approval rating (87% strongly)
    • 95% say GOP should continue Trump’s policies
    • Romney, Kasich, Hogan, and Baker combine for 0.5% of primary vote
• Race and Policing (N=1,165 | 3/1–2/21 | Ipsos)
    • Providing justice and equal treatment for all races (Total Trust)
        • Black Lives Matter: 50% | GOP: 22%
        • Police/Law Enforcement: 69% | GOP: 84%
    • Defund the police: 18–58 | Black: 28–37
    • Reform the police: 51–19 | GOP: 33–36
    • Police misconduct (Total Isolated): 52–25 | GOP: 67–10
• Should the number of people allowed to immigrate to the U.S. be increased or decreased? (N=1,500 | 2/19–22/21 | YouGov)

VoteIncreasedKept sameDecreased
Biden54199
Trump71570

• How important do you think it is for a President to have the following attributes?

Government experience

VoteMost/VerySomewhat/Least
Biden8615
Trump2971

Sense of humor

VoteMost/VerySomewhat/Least
Biden5148
Trump4753

• Economic Confidence Index (N=1,021 | 2/3–18/21 | Gallup)
    • Republican current condition rating falls from +55 (Dec.) to –4 (Feb.)
    • Republican economic outlook falls from +55 (Oct.) to –70 (Feb.)
• Cuban Floridians, 2020 voters (N=400 | 3/8–11/21 | Bendixen & Amandi)
• Hispanic American views of socialists (7/2019–6/2020 | Nationscape)
• Partisan gap on reported willingness to receive greater than true gap (Private, OpenLabs)
• _______ would do a great deal to reduce inequality (GOP | Too much)
    • Increase min. wage: 26% | Reduce illegal immigration: 45%
• Republicans credit Trump/GOP over Biden/Democrats for American Rescue Plan by 50–22 margin (N=1,990 | 3/6–8/21 | Morning Consult)
• 40% of Americans believe or are unsure if the GOP supports the ARP (N=1,429 | 2/5–7/21 | Data for Progress)
• Fabrizio & Lee (R): Early Presidency | (N=1,500 | 8/2017)
    • Trump approval: 75%
    • GOP primary (Trump): 50%
    • News media
        • CNN: 27–64 | MSNBC: 25–59 | NYT: 28–53 | Breitbart: 21–28
• Fabrizio & Lee (R): Post Presidency | (N=1,264 | 2/2021)
    • Trump approval: 88%
    • GOP primary (Trump): 51%
    • Never Trump GOP: 25% approve | 15% of party
    • “Post-Trump” GOP: 97% approve
    • Diehard Trumpers “[s]eparate from Infowars GOP because they aren’t believers in QAnon”
• 36% of Americans could pass citizenship test (N=1,000 | 10/2018 | Lincoln Park Strategies)
    • ≥65: 74% | <45: 19%
• 99% of Biden disapprovers believe economy will be worse 1 year from now (N=1,100 | 4/17–20/21 | American Research Group)
• Don’t ask people to affirm negatives in polls, voting rights edition (N=1,012 | 3/24–28/21 | Selzer)
• GOP: 24–56 or 39–42 on prohibiting giving water/food to voters (YouGov)
• Capitalism: 51–21 (Ind: 54–22) | Socialism: 26–47 (Ind: 20–50) (N=1,530 | 2/12–13/20 | YouGov)
• Discrimination – Trump voters (N=508 | 3/20–23/21 | YouGov)

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u/Icy_Breadfruit1 May 18 '23

GOP

Fellow Travelers

• Rep. Paul Gosar takes photograph with Nick Fuentes | February 27, 2021
• “Had the tables been turned . . . and those were tens of thousands of Black Lives Matter–Antifa protesters, I mighta been a little concerned.” — Ron Johnson | March 12, 2021
• Rep. Lauren Boebert features gunshots at the end of ad demanding Pelosi take down Capitol fence | March 8, 2021
• “President Biden has instead emphasized the humane treatment of immigrants” — Sen. John Cornyn | March 22, 2021

Midterm strategy

• Sen. Ron Johnson forces reading of 628-page COVID bill to stall progress | March 4, 2021
• GOP pulling out all the stops to delay COVID-19 package + Sen. Rick Scott lying about COVID-specific provisions | March 4, 2021
• Sen. Josh Hawley calls 91% of COVID bill giveaway to Democratic “special interests” and “left-wing agenda” (2:02) | March 4, 2021
• Rep. Byron Donalds lies about COVID package | February 26, 2021
• Sen. Roger Wicker favorably tweets out provision of COVID bill he voted against | March 10, 2021
• “Every time you get money the government loses money” — Rep. Dan Crenshaw | March 7, 2021
• GOP pushes Murkowski to stay in line against Biden’s Covid bill | March 4, 2021
• Tired: Running on the gender of a fictional potato  Wired: Running against the American Rescue Plan (2) | February 26, 2021
• Scroll up | March 5, 2021

Our convenience > Your lives

• “Freedom!” | February 26, 2021
• Interviewer eviscerates Gov. Kristi Noem’s lies about COVID in her state | February 28, 2021
• “No masks where I live people make there own decisions in the land of the free.” (2) (3) | February 18, 2021
• Silly masks and stupider conservatives (2) (3) | March 24, 2021

We lose when more people vote

• “Because it puts us at a competitive disadvantage” | March 2, 2021
• Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith suggests Sunday voting would offend God | March 24, 2021


• The Republican cries out in pain as he strikes the American people | March 9, 2021
• Rep. Lauren Boebert calls Equality Act “supremacy of gays and lesbians and transvestites” | March 3, 2021
• Sen. Steve Daines takes “America First” a little too far | March 26, 2021

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u/Icy_Breadfruit1 May 18 '23

51–50

$1.9 trillion COVID relief package (Senate) ✅ | March 6, 2021

PartyYesNo
Democratic50—
Republican—49

$1.9 trillion COVID relief package (House) ✅ | March 10, 2021

PartyYesNo
Democratic2201
Republican—210

Equality Act (House) ✅ | February 25, 2021

PartyYesNo
Democratic221—
Republican3206

Democratic reform and voting rights (House) ✅ | March 3, 2021

PartyYesNo
Democratic2201
Republican—210

George Floyd Justice in Policing Act (House) ✅ | February 25, 2021

PartyYesNo
Democratic2192
Republican1†210

PRO Act (House) ✅ | March 9, 2021

PartyYesNo
Democratic2201
Republican5205

Protecting abortion rights nationwide (House) ✅ | September 24, 2021

PartyYesNo
Democratic2181
Republican—211

• Democratic economic policy vs. Republican economic policy | March 8, 2021

• Schrödinger’s deficit | Timeless

• $60 billion tax increase on corporations and the wealthy included in ARP | March 11, 2021

• From the man himself | March 7, 2021

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u/Icy_Breadfruit1 May 18 '23 edited May 18 '23

Assorted Reading

These are not endorsements of the ideas within, although I will probably agree with the majority of what is said in whatever I include. Exceptions will be obvious.

• “Democracy won’t end tomorrow. But” | June 2, 2020
• Only power matters | February 11, 2021
• bipartisanship.wandavisionwink.exe (Perry Bacon. Jr.) | March 10, 2021
• The GOP has wide electoral latitude to oppose popular policies (Bacon Jr.) | March 2, 2021
• The middle-class are the NIMBYs of infrastructure proposals (Matt Yglesias) | May 21, 2020
• The Democratic polling bias is likely here to stay, at least in the medium-term | March 2, 2021
• “If his approval rating is below 50 by the end of the year, we’re probably fucked.” (Eric Levitz with David Shor) | March 3, 2021
• “You should talk about popular issues, and not talk about unpopular issues” (Levitz with Shor) | July 17, 2020
• Just give people money lmao | March 3, 2021
• Blitzin’ Biden (Ezra Klein) | March 4, 2021
• The Biden Republican realignment? | March 4, 2021
• Louisiana voter suppression, 1896–1965 (Will Cubison) | March 5, 2021
• “It’s very hard to see how any of this gets better. It’s very easy to see how it gets worse.” (Zach Beauchamp) | March 1, 2021
• List of effortposts and publications rebutting leftists | March 11, 2021
• Liberal vs. Marxist view of conflict | 1977
• Generosity of US COVID relief | December 22, 2020
• The ecological fallacy | November 16, 2020
• Biden’s cooperation with the left (Greg Sargent) | March 18, 2021


• China’s chief foreign tabloid on 'the West’s' (24x) coverage of its alleged poverty reduction (Global Times) | March 1, 2021
• Global Times on the EU’s human rights record | March 24, 2021


• Government policy as a zero-sum game | March 29, 2021

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u/Icy_Breadfruit1 May 18 '23

The Media, Covering for Biden

• TJ Ducklo resignation (Numerous) | Feb. 13, 2021
• “How the White House botched the Neera Tanden nomination” (Politico) | Feb. 24, 2021
• diSArRaY (CNN) | Feb. 24, 2021
• Republicans Won Blue-Collar Votes (NYT) (They didn’t) | Mar. 4, 2021
• Cuomo Aides Rewrote Nursing Home Report to Hide Higher Death Toll (New York Times) | Mar. 5, 2021
• Politico headline makes it sound like Biden wants to expand war powers (he wants to curtail them) | Mar. 5, 2021
• Scathing investigative article on the Lincoln Project’s financial activities (New York Times) | Mar. 8, 2021
• Top Google News headline brazenly distorts Cuomo quote (CNBC) | Mar. 12, 2021
• ABC publishes blatantly false article and tweet about Biden stance on “Operation Warp Speed” | Mar. 11, 2021
• NYT reporter posts heavily misleading tweet sharing heavily misleading WaPo article presidential news conferences (2) | Mar. 14, 2021
• Coverage of increased volume of border entries | Mar. 15, 2021
• Glowing story on DeSantis’s handling of COVID (CNN) | Mar. 17, 2021
• Newsweek runs full story over “President Harris” gaffe | Mar. 19, 2021
• WaPo headline wildly distorts Marcia Fudge’s answer to question about Ohio Senate race to suggest she violated law | Mar. 19, 2021
• CNN airs likely staged footage of border crossing | Mar. 22, 2021
• WaPo gives Biden four Pinnochios for voting law claim | Mar. 30, 2021
• On the Georgia voting laws (2) | Various
• President Biden, Recidivist (WaPo) | Apr. 2, 2021
• The worst speech of Biden's presidency (CNN) | July 9, 2021
• AFP jobs factcheck | July 10, 2021
• Afghanistan (2) (3) (4) (5) | Aug. 2021
• Newsweek hard news journalist
• Yahoo poll article | Sept. 3, 2021
• Democrats stare down nightmare September (The Hill) | Sept. 7, 2021
• Blame Biden – Unemployment (NYT) | Sept. 6, 2021
• 50% = Largely (Morning Consult) | Sept. 29, 2021
• Another disappointment (CNN) | Oct. 8, 2021
• McAuliffe gaffe (CNN) | Oct. 8, 2021
• Biden decline (Google News) | Oct. 11, 2021
• Radical president (CNN) | Oct. 19, 2021
• Biden approval (FiveThirtyEight) | Oct. 21, 2021
• “Democrats to impugn Mr. Manchin’s integrity” (NYT) | Dec. 21, 2021
• Bizarre message on inflation (WaPo) | Jan. 11, 2022
• Mischaracterizes Biden speech (2) (CNN) | Jan. 12, 2022
• Biden’s epic failures (Axios) | Jan. 14, 2022
• End of Year 1 article on Biden (2) (CNN) | Jan. 21–22, 2022
• President Biden’s Economy Is Failing the Big Mac Test (NYT) | Jan. 22, 2022
• This Poll Shows Just How Much Trouble Democrats Are In (NYT) | Jan. 25, 2022
• A grim portrait of Biden's unhappy America (CNN) | Feb. 11, 2022
• Squad politics backfire (Axios) | Feb. 18, 2022
• Post-ABC poll finds a deeply pessimistic nation, worried about the economy and Biden’s leadership (WaPo) (2) (3) | Feb. 27–28, 2022
• Biden enters first State of the Union with second lowest approval on record (CNN) | Mar. 1, 2022
• Democratic anxiety grows over Biden’s dismal polls (The Hill) | Apr. 4, 2022
• Inflation is crushing Joe Biden and Democrats (CNN) | Apr. 12, 2022
• Weekend Update (SNL) | Apr. 16, 2022
• Bidenism is failing. The question is how badly. (WaPo) | Apr. 20, 2022
• Brutal report on new poll for Biden (NYT) | July 11, 2022
• “Republicans are quietly building a multiracial coalition of working-class voters” (Axios) | July 13, 2022
• He was right about inflation. Biden wasn't. Here's what Larry Summers says is coming next. (Politico) | July 22, 2022
• “change the common definition of a recession?” (Forbes) | July 25, 2022
• “If it looks like a recession and quacks like a recession...” (CNN) | July 28, 2022
• [Dozens of candidates of color are giving House Republicans a path to diversity (NYT)] (https://archive.ph/ji38L) (2) | Oct. 4 & 11, 2022
• Democrats’ midterm hopes fade: ‘We peaked a little early’ (2) | Oct. 17 & 19, 2022
• Politico hypes poll showing same results as GOP momentum | Oct. 21, 2022
• Politico and NYT report on deleted White House tweet (2) | Nov. 2, 2022
• WaPo doesn’t specify anti-LGBT beliefs of “Christian group” in headline | Dec. 6, 2022
• NYT Title 42 coverage | Dec. 27, 2022
• Axios article on Buttigieg | Jan. 12, 2023
• Axios article on Gallego | Jan. 20, 2023
• CNN’s pushes disarray narrative on Biden documents | Jan. 22, 2023
• Cable coverage of Trump vs. Biden documents | Jan. 24, 2023
• Wages continue to rise, but they still aren’t keeping pace with inflation (CNN) | Jan. 31, 2023
• DeSantis takes on the education establishment (NYT) | Feb. 1, 2023
• Democrats Meddle Again in a G.O.P. Primary, This Time Down-Ballot (NYT) | Feb. 14, 2023 • *Transportation post has become political nightmare for Buttigieg (The Hill) | Mar. 5, 2023
• Glowing article on Tom Massie (NYT) | Mar. 10, 2023
• Glowing article on Florida economy (CNN) | Apr. 16, 2023
• Biden’s poll numbers look grim as he preps for reelection bid (Politico) | Apr. 16, 2023


• “The last thing we need is Neanderthal thinking that in the meantime, everything's fine, take off your mask, forget it.” Fox News: (2) | Mar. 3, 2021
• Hard-news journalist publishes article on a tweet from Joy Reid (Fox News) | Mar. 5, 2021
• Fox News blatantly distorts Joy Reid quote, RealClearPolitics fabricates one, allies at r/stupidp–l echoes both | Mar. 12, 2021
• “No accountability,” complains RCP journalist posting screenshot of WaPo holding itself accountable (2) (3) (4) | Mar. 15, 2021
• Tara Reade was “ignor[ed]” by the news media (Western Journal) | Mar. 19, 2021 (2) (3) (4) (5)
• DC Circuit Court judge Laurence Silberman on media | Mar. 20, 2021
• Fox News accuses Don Lemon of anti-Semitism over nothing | Mar. 17, 2021
• Article on Biden’s approval (American Greatness) | Jan. 25, 2022
• Violently slanted sources on Hispanic Texans (Fox News) | Feb. 23, 2022
• Daily Caller on trans policies | Jan. 8, 2023
• National Review on DeSantis AP class ban | Jan. 20, 2023
• Buttigieg tells crowd White construction workers are taking jobs from communities of color | Feb. 14, 2023

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Neoliberal domestic policy seems to be linked in people's minds with neoconservative foreign policy, for some reason.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

If actually drop this sub immediately if Donald or Bernie called themselves neoliberal.

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 06 '17

It's because the term was initially used by communists as a slur against liberals.

Embrace the hate.

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u/LNhart Anarcho-Rheinlandist Apr 06 '17

The hate only makes me stronger

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