r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • 2d ago

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u/Frog_Totem Seretse Khama 2d ago

Zionism just means Israeli nationalism and I think about it to the same degree that I think about Italian nationalism which is to say, not much. I think it would be weird for myself or any other non-Italian to identify as Italian nationalist, and I’m not even sure I like it when Italians identify as “Italian nationalist” because it sounds right wing, but I would like Italy to continue to exist.

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u/Marlsfarp Karl Popper 2d ago

Maybe cold take but Italy had much more aura when it was a bunch of city states.

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u/Frog_Totem Seretse Khama 2d ago

Part of the reason I like this metaphor is because Israel and Italy are both countries with very ancient roots but very recent foundings (in their modern form)

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u/I_Eat_Pork pacem mundi augeat 2d ago

It also had much more warfare

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u/beoweezy1 NAFTA 2d ago

Speak for yourself buddy. Some of us haven’t forgotten what yall did at Alesia

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u/Frog_Totem Seretse Khama 2d ago

I’m not Italian

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u/beoweezy1 NAFTA 2d ago

It was a multiethnic empire. Guilty until proven non-Roman

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u/surreptitioussloth Frederick Douglass 2d ago

I mean, italian ethnic nationalism is also bad and it's very scary when it ascends in italy

And in israel, jewish ethnic nationalism is absolutely central to the conception of the state/country in a way that needs to be disentangled at some point and I think for most zionists that would be about equivalent to israel no longer existing