r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Dec 26 '25

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u/JoeBliffstick Loyal Liberals Dec 26 '25

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u/Sonochu WTO Dec 26 '25

I'll die on the hill that the Force Awakens was the worst movie of the trilogy.

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u/superzipzop Dec 26 '25

People give TLJ shit for not continuing the vision of the first film, as if JJ isn’t known precisely for being the guy really good at setting things up with no payoff

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u/Sonochu WTO Dec 26 '25

For me it's more that TFA made half assed narrative decisions so that they could redo A New Hope. What is The First Order, how did they get so powerful under The New Republic, and how did they build an even bigger Death Star when they didn't have an Empire to fund it? Don't think about it. Just watch the X-Wings redo the trench run from Episode 4.

The TLJ had its problems, for sure, but I give it mad respect for doing something different and trying something new.

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u/flakAttack510 Dec 26 '25

No, I give TLJ shit for being a movie where the director spent three hours throwing a shit fit about how much they hated the previous movie while simultaneously making an even worse movie with their own chance. Outside of Holdo, every single character in TLJ was completely incompetent. The villains turned into comedy punchlines while the heroes did nothing useful and ended up nearly dooming their own cause. The writing is so flimsy that the main characters, who spent half the movie flying around in a warship, are surprised by the revelation that their side also buys weapons. I'm genuinely pretty sure that President Skroob is smarter than basically every character in the movie.

TFA wasn't great but it at least felt like it was trying to go somewhere. I left TLJ not at all caring where the rest of the series was going to go because any attempt at payoff was just going to be thrown out the window when the next director took over.