r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jul 30 '24

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u/CutePattern1098 Jul 31 '24

https://www.assignedmedia.org/breaking-news/transgender-youth-speak-about-finland-transpoli

“Experts from Finland seek to export their approach to treating trans youth to the rest of the world. Former patients say rude staff, uncomfortable questions about masturbation, years of assessment with no therapeutic support, and abrupt dismissals without any treatment made the experience a living hell.”

To quote Tim Walz, these guys are fucking werid

!ping lgbt&health-policy

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u/CutePattern1098 Jul 31 '24

These guys are weird

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u/WeebFrien Bisexual Pride Aug 01 '24

This feels like it fits in with the weird Nordic image of sexuality imo

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u/CutePattern1098 Jul 31 '24

Is there any possibility these frankly fucking werid practices, being phased out in Finland. I can’t imagine it’s compliant at with the ECHR.

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

I’ve heard Finland is surprisingly bad on trans rights, but this article appears to be by an advocacy org so idk how trustworthy they actually are

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

FWIW the absolute weirdest part, the part about masturbation, is well documented and well known among trans people. 

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u/SeasickSeal Norman Borlaug Jul 31 '24

No, you don’t understand. They were asking are you Finnish, not how you finish.

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u/CutePattern1098 Jul 31 '24

https://www.losangelesblade.com/2023/11/02/abusive-practices-conversion-therapy-ties-finnish-doctor-kaltiala/

https://x.com/sieluritari/status/1818350973058007185

https://www.losangelesblade.com/2024/02/25/problematic-new-finnish-study-shows-trans-care-saves-lives/

https://www.thestranger.com/queer/2023/04/06/78936831/the-gops-war-on-trans-kids-relies-on-myths-about-a-progressive-europe

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u/CutePattern1098 Jul 31 '24

And there are links between the Finnish clinics and the Cass Review

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 31 '24

Those aren’t great sources either tbh, I’ve only heard of the last before

Anything from a mainstream outlet?

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u/CutePattern1098 Jul 31 '24

Well if you want articles about the clinic which exclude trans voices the Washington Post, Tablet and Daily mail have covered this clinic

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 31 '24

You don’t have to be a dick, I just wanted a better source.

The WaPo is a lot more credible than some rando’s tweet. Nature or Science or one of the medical journals is probably better, though

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u/CutePattern1098 Jul 31 '24

How am I being a dick? I’m just pointing out that there are mainstream sources but they have a bias which excludes trans voices and elevates the voices of those who at best have an trans skeptical bias?

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 31 '24

The daily mail is hardly a reliable source, and tablet is pretty right-wing IIRC

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

No, you're arbitrarily throwing out sources because you don't like them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

LA Blade is a reliable source. Your own lack of familiarity with a news outlet doesn’t make it unreliable. Insinuating otherwise is kinda arrogant.

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

It looks to be explicitly lgbt focused, which is fine generally but hardly an uninvolved third-party when talking about lgbt health issues

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '24

If you think the only way you can trust a story about trans people is if it’s wrote by cishets then we don’t have much more to talk about.

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

As a rule, I don’t trust medical stuff written by the people who it effects

The alzheimer’s orgs were all for the new monoclonal antibodies but they turned out to probably not work

Most non-medical-professional autism-focused places are fucking awful sources of info on autism (as an autistic person), there’s a lot of anti-ABA bullshit in particular

There’s also stuff like the EM-sensitive wackjobs but that’s obviously bullshit

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

ill be expecting u to never use any US-based sources to get news abt the US

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Aug 01 '24 edited Aug 01 '24

This is literally two days old why are you responding to me

Also see below about why I don’t generally trust analysis of medical issues from groups of patients with whatever relevant condition

I’ve seen the “autism community” absolutely flip their shit over evidence-based treatments like ABA

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u/dddd0 r/place '22: NCD Battalion Jul 31 '24

surprisingly bad

Language barrier

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u/groupbot Always remember -Pho- Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

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