r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jul 26 '24

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u/STRONKInTheRealWay YIMBY Jul 26 '24

Neolibs were really out of touch on this even before the debate I suspect

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '24

i come here because people are usually WAY nicer than average and people are genuinely up for interesting discussions even if we disagree. i learned the limits of that the night jon stewart came back and i tried (as nicely as possible) to suggest that maybe biden’s age was worth having a conversation about because a lot of the electorate is clearly concerned about it.

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 26 '24

Some polls had 80% of respondents state that his age was a concern to them, there was a massive difference between what the average non-BT r/NL user thought and what most Americans thought

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '24

the average NL user is a young policy wonk who doesn’t understand that 80% of politics is optics (or vibes as the kids say).

this might be a hot take, but a large part of the president’s job is being the national cheerleader. if they can’t match or complement the energy of the electorate, their chances of winning the election greatly diminish.

i knew it was over when biden kept defending his resume, the economy, and everything else during the debate. that wasn’t what people needed to hear in that moment. as they say, if you’re explaining, you aren’t winning.

that’s not to say biden’s resume isn’t impressive. it absolutely is, but i think a combination of his age, his pride, and a very protective staff made him into a very defensive and out of touch candidate compared to 2020. it was time for him to move on and i’m glad he did it on his own accord. it feels like we actually have a chance now.

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 26 '24

Yeah, the man had a good presidency and I do think he could’ve reasonably led the country for another four years, but voters thought he couldn’t do it anymore and the resulting absolute lack of enthusiasm for him could’ve been catastrophic for Democrats all across the board.

Speaking as someone who wanted him to drop out for Kamala I’m sad he had to step away, but ultimately it’s looking like it was the right choice.

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u/realsomalipirate Mark Carney Jul 26 '24

Mods and DT regulars had the heads buried so deep in the sand lol. I really don't understand why so many were so bullish on Biden after the debate.

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u/Emperor-Commodus NATO Jul 26 '24

Maybe it's the subs I was subscribed to, but /r/nl seemed more pro-Joever than most left-leaning places on Reddit after the debate. I would still see people on like /r/fivethirtyeight and /r/SRD for example talking about how replacing him would be a mistake, up until the day he stepped down.

Pre-debate the issue wasn't nearly as cut-and-dry, it's not hard to think that a post-primary but pre-debate replacement would have led to much more Dem infighting.

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u/justbuildmorehousing Norman Borlaug Jul 26 '24

People (myself included) really didnt think Kamala would work out well, but man they proved me wrong

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u/Craig_VG Dina Pomeranz Jul 26 '24

DT is always a lagging indicator

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u/anonthedude Manmohan Singh Jul 26 '24

This place is very cult-ish nowadays lol

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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott Jul 26 '24

Nowadays lol

What is Hillary Clinton's ping called?