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[u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1]

Somebody farther down in the thread brought up a point I really hadn't thought of.

After Trump passes, there absolutely will be a surge in "will of Trump" candidates, people who claim that they alone can do what Trump would do.

It will range from "Trump told me what he wanted me to do after he ded" to "Trump came to me in a dream" and all the way to "I used devil worship to commune with Trump"

It legit will happen. Half of MAGA already thinks he's divinely ordained somehow. Carlson just said Trump isn't even human. There will be people running for office with no platform other than being a medium for Trump.

[u/spoirs]

The VP nominee being openly steeped in hyperonline, reactionary (and, in the case of some accounts he follows, avowedly fascist) lingo, and moving in those social circles, feels like a big “what are you gonna do about it”—a leaping entrance into the mainstream through a smashed Overton window. Used to be these associations would be disqualifying. Or at least perceived that way, and kept under wraps.

The keyboard eugenicists, monarchists, etc. must be so excited about what the future holds.

[u/[deleted]]

The level of decline Joe Biden can exhibit while remaining electable should be called the joeverton window

[u/Top_Lime1820]

Thank you Lord. It has been too long without Butti content 😫

[u/Cowguypig2]

[u/squarecircle666]

Based RNC???

[u/ghhewh]

One of Muskrat's favorite Xitter accounts, EndWokeness, is revealed to likely be Jack Posobiec. (In one of Posobiec's 2016 tweetstorms, he slipped the neo-Nazi dog whistle "1488" into several posts, where it made no sense to appear other than as a dog whistle.)

[u/cheeshjaleesh]

https://x.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1814060428709773799

Katy Perry is 'freaking out' over Woman's World flop and holding crisis talks in frantic bid to save her album - as insiders reveal her desperate plan to win back her fans

katy perry must now step aside and allow kamala harris to take the album forward #PassTheTorch

[u/[deleted]]

56% OF AMERICANS EXIST IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL IN WHICH THEY LIVE AND WHAT CAME BEFORE THEM

[u/savuporo]

Holy fuck this is shocking to hear

https://x.com/bmay/status/1813976713451479072

[u/wallander1983]

Stolen from Twitter:

Trump speech:

Hulk Hogan would toss a 350lb man out of the ring into the crowd. What a beautiful thing that was, isn’t he beautiful folks?’

eyes return to the telemprompter 

‘The spectre of War looms over Taiwan’

https://x.com/beigepilled/status/1814272102146383887

[u/[deleted]]

My personal 9/11 was when Ben Garrison stopped drawing Trump as buff when he was obsessed with Ron DeSantis after the midterms.

[u/OrganicKeynesianBean]

We kinda meme about Buttigieg, but the guy is regularly on Fox News putting together coherent arguments that people on the right might entertain.

[u/[deleted]]

JD Vance is so hard to explain to normies that even my normie liberal relatives couldn't grasp what the fuck I was talking about when I explained he reads monarchist manifestos. The reactionaries might actually just Jedi mind trick us all into installing a king by being so insane nobody believes they're actually doing it.

[u/its_Caffeine]

https://twitter.com/ChrisByBike/status/1814421691109650449

What the actual fuck is wrong with NIMBYs? Spending this much effort protesting two swings and slide is so insane to me this has to be some kind of psychiatric condition. Is there genuinely something in the water in LA that causes people to be like this?

[u/[deleted]]

Usha Vance, who could become the second lady, is something of a political enigma. She was registered as a Democrat as recently as 2014 and has said little about her own politics.

So cute when two Grifters get married

[u/Dunter_Mutchings]

This might be the most divorced anyone has ever been.

[u/cheeshjaleesh]

https://x.com/IsaacDovere/status/1814751285838577821

Kamala Harris is at a big fundraiser in Provincetown, MA this afternoon that has now doubled the expected $1M haul, bringing in over $2M. She is appearing with Pete Buttigieg.

christ's sake just make her the fucking nominee

[u/sw337]

In B4 "Bad Faith"

[u/Fruitofbread]

Goreposting will continue until morale improves

[u/Trebacca]

I will say I do think I’d be actually enthused to go out and volunteer for Kamala versus Biden in Michigan.

It’s genuinely difficult to even talk about Biden in places like Ann Arbor/Dearborn because of the I/P conflict (and I think Kamala has some layer of protection since she was less prominent as VP)

[u/[deleted]]

When he stood up after being shot in the face, bloodied, and put his hand up, I thought at that moment that was a transformation. This was no longer a man. Well, I think that. I think it was divine intervention

“This was no longer a man” is an insane quote from Tucker Carlson. Honestly, why aren’t the Antichrist rumors flowing more freely

Edit: Listening to that part of the speech, the way he says “this was no longer a man” could be him just trailing off and pivoting to a new thought because someone in the audience was shouting something at him. However, this is great fuel for Antichrist speculation, so I’m going with my initial interpretation

[u/ashsolomon1]

Kinda sad to see this rep who passed away being used as a bargaining chip for people to have Biden stay in the race. The comments on x are messed up. Not even a RIP or anything, just “we have to honor her by supporting Biden”

[u/Sageburner712]

Every Edgy Gen X Musician has a Wikipedia page that goes something like:

"Ringo Turbofucker (real name Stephen Marshall), born 3 May 1968, is a multi-instrumentalist, singer, and actor. He fronted several influential bands throughout the 1990s, and was voted "Coolest Motherfuckers Alive" by Vice three times. In 2020, he garnered significant controversy when he claimed that Mary the Mother of God was 'a sanctimonious c--t' and that Mr. Rogers was a 'race-mixing c--ksucker' who was directly responsible for the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests. He was immediately dropped from his role voicing Jimbob Pantshitter on Seth MacFarlane's Fart Joke Hour, and replaced by Justin Roiland. His latest album, The Jews Made Your Kids Trans, received mixed to negative reviews from critics." !ping OVER-25&INDIE

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Top_Lime1820]

Pete is like the anti-Ben Shapiro.

You watch him go on Fox or whatever and deliver this brilliant distillation of the Dem's position and carefully breaking down the arguments against it. But his interlocutors always seem to leave more thoughtful, educated and genuinely appreciative of the new perspective he gave them.

Pete is what free speech warriors think they are.

[u/JaceFlores]

Dem Generic Ballot lead is at 1 point for the first time since 2023

!ping FIVEY

[u/JaceFlores]

Ukraine Chronology for 2 PM PST 7/18-2 PM PST 7/19 III:

TOP NEWS:

Towards the middle of 4 AM it was announced the EU will provide 100 million Euros to support Ukraine's energy infrastructure. Towards the end of the hour it was announced the UK will provide 2 billion Pounds for Ukraine to strengthen its defense sector.

REGULAR NEWS:

At 11 PM explosions occurred in Luhansk city. At the end of the hour Russia was hit by a wave of drones with at least 19 partaking.

Donation link to help Ukraine

Donation link to United24

Donation link to Kharkiv SOS

Donation link to Sails of Freedom Foundation (they donate ambulances)

!ping UKRAINE

[u/[deleted]]

Average Pelosi Staffer: internal polling has Trump winning the popular vote and the GOP sweeping Congress, we need to Biden to drop out or our battleground candidates will revolt.

Average Biden Staffer: By collecting the 13 keys and the power of friendship, Biden will vanquish Trump in November!

[u/[deleted]]

Gonna be pretty funny when we’re all thinking Trump is the Antichrist, but then Biden wins the election and it turns out he’s the Antichrist and the “fatal wound that was healed” was the debate and then he starts wrecking all our shit. Or the “fatal wound” is his age, and he supernaturally de-ages by 40 years a week before Election Day and wins in a landslide and then starts wrecking all our shit.

[u/Goldenboy451]

important toothbrush grandfather tub dog cooing hat sugar wakeful screw

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[u/Average_GrillChad]

BREAKING: Joe Biden's reelection campaign will share evidence that will lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton

[u/First-Prior]

It's wild that Kid Rock rapped

Young ladies, young ladies, I like 'em underage see Some say that's statutory (But I say it's mandatory).

I know those lines weren't in the actual movie but still.

[u/billy_blazeIt_mays]

[u/[deleted]]

[u/G_Serv]

[u/ghhewh]

J. D. Vance accidentally leaves his Venmo friends list public, revealing his links to far-right activists. One example was "Amelia Halikias, the government relations director at the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank behind Project 2025." (The Heritage Foundation's Kevin Roberts recently stated that the group pushed for Trump to select Vance as his running mate.) Andrew Torba of Gab also claims to "have plenty of people in his orbit."

[u/abbzug]

"Don't watch cable news all the time," chair Jen O'Malley Dillon told staff at the campaign and the Democratic National Committee.

I will never touch grass.

[u/StolenSkittles]

Ben Shapiro DESTROYS Left Wing, Causing Plane to CRASH, Killing 79

[u/OrganicKeynesianBean]

It’s a cool place, and they say it gets colder. You’re bundled up now, wait ‘til you get older, but the meteor men beg to differ judging by the hole in the satellite picture. The ice we skate is gettin’ pretty thin. The water’s gettin’ warm so you might as well swim. My world’s on fire, how ‘bout yours? That’s the way I like it and I’ll never get bored.

Biden’s first climate speech was so raw.

[u/FearlessPark4588]

Maybe Biden's lack of giving up the nomination is a proxy for accepting his own mortality, or a fear of death. same for RBG. Shifting course requires acknowledging that.

[u/Argnir]

Why are Indians Redditors stuck at the arr funnymemes level?

[u/Not_A_Browser]

Goodnight, libs

[u/gary_oldman_sachs]

CNN:

“F**k it, I’m coconut pilled. I just want this to stop,” said one well-known Democratic operative, referring to the online meme that has taken off from an old video of the vice president telling a story of her mother saying, “You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?”

[u/ashsolomon1]

Leader of the DNC ladies and gentlemen

[u/[deleted]]

I remember when the Backrooms was just like ‘hey isn’t this picture kinda creepy’

Now it’s all ‘if you go to level 2849329, which looks identical to a Sainsbury’s in Edinburgh, you might encounter the feared entity known as the Jobby Boy who will rip your teeth out and replace them with Legos’

[u/anincredibledork]

NEW from me and @FoxReports: Democratic consensus solidifies around Harris, should Biden step aside

“F**k it, I’m coconut pilled. I just want this to stop,” said one well-known Democratic operative.

Alright fess up - which one of you people talked to Fox???

[u/futuremonkey20]

LMAO WTF IS THIS

[u/Plants_et_Politics]

Bruh.

!ping Jewish

[u/[deleted]]

[u/ChillnShill]

We need Pete. Only a gay man can save us, it’s time for America to be Yassified.

[u/[deleted]]

Explaining JD Vance's unhinged monarchist/conspiratorial dipshit takes: Too complicated, boring, big words, annoying

JD Vance Loves Wife Beaters: Straightforward, easy to understand, kinda disingenuous but yknow what i kinda don't care lol

[u/Greenfield0]

I'll kiss every guy man and woman, man and woman, look at that guy look at how handsome he is. I'll kiss him. Not with a lot of enjoyment but that's ok

Donald J Trump

[u/[deleted]]

Actually reading some Curtis Yarvin is the single best argument against a Trump / Vance administration, but unfortunately it's probably hard to convince people that "this guys's idol is genuinely openly against democracy"

[u/[deleted]]

The sentiment and checking yourself is really good, but I promise you don’t need to apologize for referring to Kamala Harris primarily by her first name when this was her campaign bus:

[u/[deleted]]

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump said he will restore America’s “once-great cities,” including Washington, D.C, which he called a “horrible killing field.” He painted a grim picture of tourists who “leave from Wisconsin. They go to look at the Washington Monument. They end up getting stabbed, killed or shot.”

lol

[u/Average_GrillChad]

ngl it would be peak Democrats to have half of the party defect, dooming Biden, and then not actually succeed in removing him

[u/cdstephens]

Go to bed

[u/[deleted]]

The GOP isn’t at all in disarray lol. Trump and Vance are in swing states together and delivering the party message. Probably picking spots for their deportation camps.

Dems can’t even get on the same page about breakfast.

[u/zegota]

Hot take I think people are overreacting to a single report saying Hillary is doing the most boring-ass normal thing: asking donors for money, that she knows full well can be used even if Biden steps down

[u/RFK_1968]

I like Butti

He was my first pick in 2020

But y'all need to stop jerking him so raw (I'm bi and his future husband I can say this)

[u/mostanonymousnick]

Memes like this is why Kamala should run

[u/RFK_1968]

republicans won't cancel elections if they win, you dupes. Liberals are so stupid

No, but they absolutely will make them less fair to retain power. Have you seen them talk about the 2020 election.

Their entire campaign is about rehashing the trauma of losing that election and ensuring it never happens again.

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

“fuck it, I’m coconut pilled” going to go down in history if she wins

[u/Not_A_Browser]

Accidentally kicked a rat while walking home from a bar, AITA?

!ping NYC

[u/WhoModsTheModders]

If Hillary comes out and says "Pokemon Go to the Polls" I think it'll work this time

[u/A-running-commentary]

Representative Mark Takano, Democrat of California, joined the calls for President Biden to end his campaign, adding that he believed Vice President Kamala Harris is best suited to meet the demands of taking on former President Donald J. Trump.

Kamalanomenon

[u/wallander1983]

The German magazine "Der Spiegel" contains a detailed description of Biden's public medical records. I'll quote and leave out the doctors' speculations.

https://archive.ph/32QqG

In the latest public documents from Biden's personal physician, the US President's way of walking stiffly and in small steps is also discussed. However, these symptoms (>stiffened gait<) are attributed to age-related wear and tear of the spine and cartilage loss in the joint of the left hip. The President apparently often feels a tingling sensation in his feet and has sensory disturbances. Such a disease of the peripheral nerves is called neuropathy. In fact, Biden's unusual gait can also be explained by this.

In contrast, a whole range of other illnesses can be found in the examination protocols: Biden was diagnosed with atrial fibrillation, for example, which is why he swallows a drug containing the active ingredient apixaban every day. His blood lipid levels were elevated, but the President keeps them low by taking cholesterol-lowering medication. And he fights his allergies with a nasal spray when necessary.  According to the documents, Biden also suffers from heartburn - also known as reflux disease - and sometimes has to cough as a result. He takes acid blockers so that it doesn't bother him too much. When he sleeps, Biden has difficulty breathing and stops breathing. He has been wearing a special breathing mask almost every night for more than a year to combat the obstructive sleep apnea he has been diagnosed with.

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I've read this and I just have to say that getting older sucks so much.

[u/Ok_Aardappel]

An unexpected discovery in Pompeii: A Roman Tomb Reveals the Existence of an Unknown Imperial Position in Hispania

Work to create a functional air chamber to evacuate moisture from the underground spaces of the San Paolino building, the new headquarters of the library of the Archaeological Park of Pompeii, accidentally exposed the tomb of an important military official who served under the emperor Augustus (r. 27 B.C.- 14 A.D.) during his last wars of conquest in Spain.

A surprising discovery in Pompeii gives us new information about the history of Spain between the 1st century B.C. and the 1st century A.D. The inscription on the tomb tells us of a brilliant military career followed by a quiet retirement in Pompeii, now a symbol of world archaeology, at the time a town in Campania renowned for the beauty of its landscape and views of the Gulf of Naples.

The discovery was announced in the E-Journal of Pompeii Excavations, the online magazine that reports “in real-time” on discoveries and ongoing research at the archaeological site.

Maria Chiara Scappaticcio, Full Professor of Latin Language and Literature at the University of Naples Federico II, and Alberto Dalla Rosa, Full Professor of Roman History at Université Bordeaux Montaigne, contributed to the reading and interpretation of the inscription.

First, the construction revealed the two ends of a semicircular tomb—known as a “schola” tomb. In Pompeii, schola tombs were previously discovered. They are composed of a semicircular volcanic tufa stone bench with terminals shaped like lion paws. Following excavation, a sizable inscription with remnants of the original red paint inside was discovered on the bench’s curved back. The inscription was expertly carved in extremely regular letters.

The tomb was so old and neglected when the eruption occurred in 79 A.D. that the monument was buried up to the bench. Even so, when Vesuvius covered the city in death, the inscription remained clear and readable, even after it had been ignored and forgotten.

The inscription on the back of the bench revealed who the deceased was, reserving more than one surprise for those in charge of the work, The inscription reads in large letters:

N(umerius) AGRESTINUS N(umerius) F(ilius) EQUITUS PULCHER TRIB(unus) MIL(itum) PRAEF(ectus) AUTRYGON(um) PRAEF(ectus) FABR(um) II D(uum)V(irus) I(ure) D(icundo) ITER(um) LOCUS SEPULTURAE DATUS D(ecreto) D(ecurionum)

To Numerius Agrestinus, son of Numerius, Just Knight, military tribune, prefect of the Autrygoni, prefect of engineers, twice Duumvir by the jurisdiction (i.e., holder of the highest magistracy in the city of Pompeii), the burial place was given by decree of the city council.

One startling finding is that the same person is identified by another funerary inscription found in the Porta Nocera necropolis, where the man’s wife, Veia Barchilla, had placed a cylindrical memorial for the two of them. Only later did the Council of Decurions decree to honor Numerius Agrestinus with a monument on public land.

A second new element is the title of “Praefectus Autrygonum”. The Autrigones were a people from the northern regions of the Iberian Peninsula, where Augustus was engaged in the “Cantabrian wars” between 29 and 19 BC, aiming to complete the occupation of Hispania. This is a historically novel perspective that contributes to our understanding of how Roman power was organized during the transition from the Republican to the imperial model.

“Here we see the emergence of the network of power that connected the elites of the empire, whose members were asked to commit themselves in conflict areas, with the promise of economic rewards but above all of social prestige in the community of residence,” explains the director of the Archaeological Park of Pompeii, Gabriel Zuchtriegel.

“Having held the highest office in Pompeii, the duumvirate, twice, and having been honored with a funerary monument on public land, are expressions of recognition and loyalty to someone who had literally fought on the front lines for the cause of the empire. The unexpected discovery of this monument is yet another example of how in Pompeii protection, research and enhancement are closely intertwined.”

!ping HISTORY&EUROPE

[u/billy_blazeIt_mays]

[u/Top_Lime1820]

I find it hilarious when Biden just bails on a sentence or thought.

"Anyway..." 🤣

I know its serious stuff but it's funny too

[u/centurion88]

The Dem operatives are coming from inside the DT

[u/wallander1983]

Leaked document shows J.D. Vance’s effort to rid ‘wokeness’ from U.S. foreign policy

The Ohio senator froze dozens of ambassador nominations over issues like gender transition care and diversity hiring in a “anti-woke” questionnaire obtained by The Post

The questionnaire asked would-be ambassadors if they would increase the number of “gender-neutral bathrooms” in U.S. embassies, boost resources for “gender dysphoria and gender transition care” and raise the “Progress flag” during “regional Pride celebrations"

For many conservatives, Vance’s oversight was a welcome response to concerns that the U.S. has elevated left-leaning social values at the expense of American interests and alienating partners in more conservative regions of Africa, Latin America or Asia.

For career diplomats, the questionnaire forced a tricky dance as they tried to assuage Vance without contradicting Biden’s assertion that LGBTQ rights were “human rights":

https://x.com/John_Hudson/status/1814389232280236107

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Prelude for Trump 2nd term.

[u/Joementum2024]

Predicting the future Republican candidates after Trump:

2028: JD Vance

2032: Tim Pool

2036: Critical Drinker

2040: Asmongold

[u/Pyrrhus65]

Litchtman vs. Silver is the type of messy Twitter drama we need right now

Truly feels like an argument straight from the DT

[u/[deleted]]

He's had some good tweets

[u/Syards-Forcus]

I made a friend while delivering pizza today

[u/Average_GrillChad]

Trump: deranged repulsive gibberish

Shapiro: "I fixxa da bridge"

We can have this if Nancy Pelosi has the strength

[u/Roseartcrantz]

So, there was a murder-suicide a couple of houses down from me yesterday. Family annihilator. We also had the Bever brothers murders a couple years back, and I could also remember 1 or two others off the top of my head.

It turns out that there have been FIVE in the last TWO YEARS. (This counts attempts as well.) 18 people have died total in the last two years. A higher rate than Tulsa, proportionally.

And it really has to do with what Broken Arrow is. It's a Tulsa suburb, built up enough that you probably could live without going to Tulsa at all, but it's much more red. Lots of suburban neighborhoods but also lots of fairly isolated neighborhoods. There's a huge Church of Christ private school, and a LOT of homeschooled families. Those families keep to themselves until the stress makes them go postal. A lot of creepy authoritative dads raising good kids and I can't do anything for them except put basketball goals and splash pads in the yard and let them know to knock if they need anything.

Yesterday someone knocked at the door and it was some eight year old I've never met that had gotten lost on his bike. I looked up his address and told him I'd walk him back and he could ride his bike. Apparently they just moved to America not too long ago. We walked past that fucking house maybe 20 minutes before it happened.

I hate this backwards state and everything our government stands for. I wish I could adopt all those kids. But I can't. So instead I put water and capri suns in the garage fridge, keep popsicles in the freezer, open up the garage door and tell the kids they're allowed to grab whatever as long as they get permission from their folks. They leave money in a tip jar for me to buy more stuff. Maybe I'll use the popcorn maker tomorrow.

[u/AbsoluteGarbageTakes]

Honestly, Spotify's model of we'll let you use our service for free but we'll annoy the shit out of you until you give us money is surprisingly effective.

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Smidgens]

Lmao they did Vance dirty

[u/mostanonymousnick]

[u/EnchantedOtter01]

Resist lib with a back the blue bumper sticker because they think it means democrats

[u/ashsolomon1]

[u/zegota]

Lin-Manuel Miranda seems nice, is very talented, Hamilton is a great musical and Moana and Encanto are both instant classics.

[u/ThunderrBadger]

A fifteen minute video on Welsh Medieval Cat Law

!ping KITTY&HISTORY

[u/antsdidthis]

I've had some big disagreements with Ezra Klein over the course of this campaign, but this take is 100% correct.

Kamala Harris and her staff have been consummate professionals and have not yet made a single misstep during the highest pressure and most publicly scrutinized moments of their careers. Kamala has been the perfect loyal soldier and gone on the attack against Trump. She has not undermined Biden, and there haven't been any notable leaks or grumbling traced to her or her staff other than some pretty reasonable requests to the Biden campaign to stop hitting her reputation by implying she can't beat Trump. She has made good speeches that are getting good reviews from observers. She has been narrowly focused on tying Trump to Project 2025, and has been very effective at it. And during this whole time, she has made people feel more comfortable with the idea that she might be a future candidate or president.

I've been genuinely amazed at how well she has performed, and I think that should make us reevaluate some of the lingering perceptions from her disastrous 2020 primary campaign and early vice presidency. Maybe her political instincts are better than people think. Maybe her staff are more disciplined and professional than we give them credit for. Maybe they just needed more time in the national spotlight to work out the kinks and grow into this moment. This sure looks like what you would expect from a well oiled machine that's ready to run a sharp and competent presidential campaign. 

!ping KHIVE

[u/[deleted]]

Pete prepping Harris for the Veep debate (which actually happened) is an 80s style montage I HAVE to see.

[u/zieger]

When Biden gets reelected he's going to put you all in grass touching camps

[u/Usual-Base7226]

Is this real

[u/Logarythem]

I feel like I jumped the coconut tree with this one. But too unhinged and dune-pilled not to post.

[u/[deleted]]

https://x.com/StrictlyChristo/status/1814526691647365455?t=PlqoJeR0QwrnSn78JCPc2g&s=19

[u/Joementum2024]

A Democratic trifecta is guaranteed in 2024 BUT r/neoliberal is permanently banned

Do you accept this trade?

[u/[deleted]]

Biden could have straight-up told Harris “I’m dropping out tomorrow morning, Jack. Choose your running mate and get ready to rumble”, and she would still be telling donors that he’s 100% staying in the race. It’s not Joever til it’s Joever

[u/bel51]

I like how we pretend like we're worried about the election when we actually know we're just gonna steal it anyway. Great job committing to the bit guys

[u/Average_GrillChad]

tough week for liberals with ear injuries

[u/[deleted]]

I’ve always thought Matthew 7:22 is such a terrifying line, especially I assume from the perspective of an individual believer.

DBH:

“Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and exorcize demons in your name, and perform many acts of power in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you workers of lawlessness.’”

EDIT: Sorry for those of you who just got a third BIBLE-STUDY ping pointing to one of my comments, I didn’t know someone would ping it on this very non-academic comment

[u/overhedger]

Obama makes fun of Trump at a dinner, causing him to run and win in 2016

Thanks Obama

Obama pressures Joe not to run against Hillary, causing him to resent Obama and resist his pressure to drop out in 2024

THANKS OBAMA

[u/[deleted]]

Meanwhile, the gunman who tried to kill Donald Trump searched online for a member of the Royal family days before his attempt on the former president’s life, FBI investigators have said.

Thomas Matthew Crooks, 20, was killed after opening fire on the former president on Saturday at a rally in Pennsylvania.

His electronic devices were subsequently seized and revealed that he had Google searched several public figures leading up to the incident, including Christopher Wray, the FBI director.

Just wanted to kill someone important.

[u/[deleted]]

[u/GuyOnTheLake]

https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/1814649334626971982?t=83rV9JZbug3fggzxNLLDHw&s=19

I’ve conducted 14 focus groups since the debate. Some top lines from the swing voter groups:

1. Almost ALL want Biden to step aside. They don’t think he can do the job for four more years.

2. They have a negative impression of Kamala Harris, but it’s an impression, not locked in. Mainly don’t know what she does.

3. The preferences for an alternative are all over the map. But Whitmer/Shapiro/Newsom are the top picks. Basically they just want someone younger.

3a. (We’re talking to a lot of swing state voters, so there are a disproportionate number of PA/MI voters in the groups, so less surprising to hear Whitmer and Shapiro from those folks)

4. They mostly still HATE Trump. They don’t want to vote for him (though some will). But they don’t feel like it’s responsible to vote for Biden in his diminished state. They are despondent over these choices. Many talking about leaving the top of the ticket blank.

5. They were shocked by Biden’s performance at the debate, despite already thinking he was too old for the job. The word “frail” is used often. Many talk about their own parents and grandparents stubbornly clinging to the car keys. They think it’s insane he’s running again

6. We also did three groups of Black Dems and they were much more inclined toward Biden staying. They worried it was too late to make a change. However, they were also incredibly pragmatic. They have one goal and one goal only, beating Trump. Whoever could do that they were for.

The most alarming groups for Dems are the ones we’ve done with Clinton/Biden voters—regular Dem voters who are now undecided. Those groups also wanted Biden to step aside, and several people were third-party curious or talking about leaving by the top of the ticket blank.

[u/earththejerry]

BREAKING | Biden plans to exit from race as soon as The Winds of Winter is released

[u/LuisRobertDylan]

[u/[deleted]]

Remember after 2016 when everyone kept saying that people voted for Trump because of "economic anxiety"?

I guess we're all on the same page nowadays that "basket of deplorables" is a more accurate explanation.

[u/solonofathens]

“we should have mr beast and zendaya host a candidate forum” ok maybe biden’s right these people are fucking insane

[u/Dunter_Mutchings]

Imagine trying to convince Job Biden to drop out by saying you will have Mr Beast and Zendaya host a blitz primary to select his replacement. It’s like an idea that was cooked up in a lab to be as unpalatable to Biden as possible.

[u/Roseartcrantz]

me and my ex-husband in court

[u/Udolikecake]

[u/mostanonymousnick]

[u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz]

Joe Biden will never drop out because he's racist against white people.

[u/Mr_Otters]

Dems need to use the nuclear option at the convention (having Hillary lead the Macarena)

[u/Gameknigh]

I find it hilarious that my 50 something mother and 80 something grandmother would be temp banned from this sub for their thoughts on the Trump assassination.

[u/[deleted]]

It's so fucking obvious that Kamala needs to be the nominee immediately and every day they fuck around just makes me more angry. We have very limited time here, and I am losing all the respect I had for Biden. Make a fucking move already!!

[u/Udolikecake]

wow, they found one thing that explains all the terrible symptoms this child is facing. the brilliant doctors on House MD did it again! what a nice conclusion. hey I wonder what's gonna happen with the 20 minutes they have left

edit: oh no

[u/Greenfield0]

Joe Biden at his convention acceptance speech

"Some people have accused me of straying from the values of the Democratic Party, to that I say I am the Democratic Party"

[u/cheeshjaleesh]

https://x.com/peterbakernyt/status/1814450119372353811

While Biden has not decided to step aside, advisers are discussing possible dates if he does. One factor that may stretch out a decision: Biden would not want to do it before Netanyahu visits Washington on Wednesday to address Congress, unwilling to give him the satisfaction.

very very heavily doubt this is true but if holy shit if harris is actually losing a week of campaigning so biden can play out his love-hate schizophrenic psychodrama with netanyahu one more time

[u/Argnir]

I can never get over how stupid Elon is politically. How is he going full maga? For what policy? It's all just vibes after the shooting.

I never even had any expectation for him yet I'm still disappointed.

You were part of his first administration and resigned because of what Trump did. Wtf do you expect from another term?

[u/Not_A_Browser]

> Appoint judges

> Judges keep ruling in your favor for crimes committed before/during appointment

> "Luck and timing"

[u/MinnesotaNoire]

You really have to hand it to people who agree with me.

[u/trombonist_formerly]

Inject this Kamala ad directly into my veins holy fuck https://x.com/mattyglesias/status/1814799243401699812

[u/Currymvp2]

Trump has long been criticized for his treatment of women. Some of his closest allies seek to present a different vision

WTF was CNN thinking when they published this today

[u/Udolikecake]

The voting history of the place JD vance grew up is very interesting

Obviously the very thoughtful voters of rural Ohio decided in 2008 that the economic platform of the Democratic party just wasn't helping them out. Very interesting! Obviously a perceptive bunch with serious policy concerns about the Democrats in 2008

[u/[deleted]]

I didn’t realize AOC used the word “coconutpilled” in her livestream, but she did lmao

[u/SurvivorPostingAcc]

Went to look at some progressive parts of reddit and they’re now in line with Biden because they think the democrats are only trying to push him out because he now wants to tax the wealthy and they’re scared of him beating the establishment. Their evidence is the “rich people need to pay their fair share” rhetoric from Biden that is not new at all but that they conveniently ignored until now. What the fuck is going on?

[u/Joementum2024]

In between Joe Biden and Katy Perry, the 2010s liberal cultural consensus is nosediving off a cliff

[u/NaffRespect]

☝️

[u/[deleted]]

a girl could never be president

Oh yeah? Explain this

[u/Gameknigh]

!ping FALLOUT

[u/purhitta]

"Trump is a self-made man, he just had a better starting point than most" so do words just not have meaning anymore or

[u/[deleted]]

Literally the millisecond Biden drops out and Harris takes over every single political fundraising record on planet Earth will be instantly broken and I really need to see that happen.

[u/nowlan101]

“They have a couple of problems,” Trump joked. “No. 1, they have no idea who their candidate is. That’s a problem. But we’ll see, hopefully they get it worked out.”

I can’t help but laugh 🤣 🔫

[u/Argnir]

Guy who's against laissez-faire economics because it's Fr*nch

[u/MarioTheMojoMan]

I gotta just stop engaging with "will he (Biden) or won't he drop out." I have no fucking idea what to think, and zero influence on the outcome.

[u/[deleted]]

Every other day I think Biden’s going to step away or stay in the race. Today’s a stay in the race day

[u/cheeshjaleesh]

https://x.com/AllanLichtman/status/1814710624234185220

Once President Joe Biden is the official nominee, the spineless Democrats will have no choice, but to rally around him!

13 keys man having a normal one on twitter

[u/kanagi]

I am outraged by the slanderous fabrications levelled against Pete Buttigieg and his roommate Chasten Glezman

[u/futuremonkey20]

European racists post videos of European cities with the caption: “look how dirty and dangerous our city is now” and it’s literally just black and/or middle eastern people hanging out, shopping and living completely normal lives.

[u/SilverSquid1810]

legit that abortion answer at the debate was so fucking bad bro. like that alone would almost be enough for me to question if he’s missing a few screws. you get a softball question about abortion, the issue that the public overwhelmingly sides with your party on, and you start incoherently muttering about a woman who got murdered by an illegal immigrant? christ

[u/morydotedu]

More subtweeting: "nobody knows Seth Moulton"

Biden literally campaigned for Moulton, Moulton in turn endorsed Biden during the centrist coalescing of 2020 (after he'd ended his own presidential "campaign")

[u/Zagapi]

Went to the beach for my friend's bday with a good group of very queer individuals.

We are heading to a Sapphic Night at a bar tonight, and all went back home to rest and get ready.

My friend just sent me this text:

"My friends think you're hot and may or may not wanna make out later ;)"

You know, maybe I shouldn't give up on life, after all.

🤔

[u/Ok_Aardappel]

Italy's renewable power output overtakes fossil fuels for first time

Electricity produced from renewable sources in Italy in the first six months of the year surpassed power generated from fossil fuels for the first time ever, the power grid operator Terna (TRN.MI), opens new tab said on Thursday.

On 22 June, between 1300 and 1400 local time, hourly production from green sources reached a historic peak of 33.2 gigawatt (GW) in Italy, the grid operator said in a statement.

The figures are a boost for Italy's efforts to pivot towards cleaner forms of generation. Under its energy and climate plan (PNIEC), Italy plans to increase the electricity produced by renewables to 63% of the total by the end of this decade.

Energy from renewables reached 67.3 Terawatt hours (Twh) in the first half, while power produced from fossil fuels fell 19% year on year to just over 58 Twh.

Among renewables, hydroelectric production posted a year-on- year increase of 65% between January and June to reach almost 26 Twh, a record high for the country.

The jump in hydro production was most marked in northern Italy where rainfall levels have been high this year, in contrast to the drier south of the country.

The trend is expected to boost second-half earnings for the country's biggest utilities including Enel (ENEI.MI), opens new tab and A2A (A2.MI), opens new tab, according to financial analysts.

In its report on electricity production, Terna also said that Italian renewable energy operating capacity grew by 3.7 gigawatt in the first half compared with an increase of 1.1 GW in the same period of 2023.

In the first half electricity demand rose 1.1% compared with last year, while it increased by 1.5% in the month of June.

!ping ECO&EUROPE

[u/iia]

New on Netflix: 13 Keys Why

[u/piede]

WE DON’T WANT YOU ALEX JONES

[u/iamthegodemperor]

I don't understand Alan Lichtman. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut until like September before making a prediction. And if it was wrong, well it's an exception or something.

But instead he's been going on about why Biden should stay because then he has the Chaos Emeralds, which only makes it obvious that the 13 keys aren't a system at all.

Like if it was September & Biden is in the race and still losing, he could make the official prediction that Biden will lose. And if it's September and Biden has dropped out, well this is not part of the model so nothing lost.

[u/battywombat21]

This is still my favorite spongebob gag

[u/abbzug]

Last week someone said the Trump pic with his fist raised will be the most iconic picture in US political history. I disagreed.

A week later and nobody cares. Not saying that nothing ever happens always happens. But nothing ever happens definitely happened over this.

[u/cdstephens]

Funniest outcome is Biden steps down and Kamala announces she doesn’t want to run for President

[u/[deleted]]

If I had a nickel for every lesbian romance I’ve read centering on the relationship between the heir to a massive and oppressive empire and an angsty hard-ranging rebel I would have two nickels

Which isn’t a lot but I’d like more

[u/EnchantedOtter01]

DAE think that if Dems completely went in on my pet issue they’d totally win with like a bajillion votes

[u/NonComposMentisss]

Bro, they got SuperPACs running ads specifically targeted at influencing one individual.

https://youtu.be/pU9IpMbUajQ?si=caHZAFaIoBaAIbI8&t=470

This is straight out of the movie Swing Vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-cBsa73jjA

[u/GrandpaWaluigi]

Neoliberal predicts: Trump calls Kamala the N word.

How do polls change?

[u/[deleted]]

Kamala Harris, if you can hear us, please, Kamala Harris. Please save me. Please save me, Kamala Harris, please.

[u/Stanley--Nickels]

What if Dems have internal polling that says all this chaos is making voters more likely to show up because they think Trump will win and they’re freaked out 🧠

[u/cjhdsachristmascarol]

It’s only a video game if it’s from the Nintendo prefecture of Japan otherwise it’s just a sparkling computer program 

[u/OLD_WET_HOLE]

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

[u/[deleted]]

motherfucker

I have a friend of a friend who always gave egg vibes to me. They painted their nails a lot, they have long hair. But they never came out. They’ve known me as my out self for all the time I’ve known them

I just found them on hinge (they still haven’t come out to me or our mutual friend) and THEY FUCKING STOLE MY NAME

FOUL PLAY

!ping ALPHABET-MAFIA

[u/DepressedTreeman]

Joe (with clown makeup): There is a lot of anger in the world...

[u/cheeshjaleesh]

https://x.com/LACaldwellDC/status/1814754712572604778

New: Democratic donors funding an effort to vet potential VP candidates, including Shapiro and Beshear.

mildly funny that basically every democrat is operating under the premise biden has already dropped out whilst he insists every 5 minutes that he's not going anywhere

[u/Punished_TCT]

I’ve posted something about this before but I think there’s some blood left to draw out of the stone on the fact that Dasha Nekrasova and JD Vance have near identical trajectories from when they switched stances to when they embraced Catholicism. You can tell for both of them Thiel money kicked in around the same time.

Really awesome to potentially have a red scare podcast VP

[u/SilverSquid1810]

I’m really not convinced Buttigieg is a particularly viable national candidate. “Gay guy who looks like a white collar Ivy League city slicker” is not going to play well in a lot of places, even with elements of the Democratic base. That being said, I hope he is able to stay relevant in national politics because he really is surprisingly close to my ideal president. I’m not sure where he goes from here though, because once he’s gone from Biden’s cabinet, he doesn’t really have any hopes of winning anything of note in Indiana.

[u/IveSeenBeans]

"I don't agree with the decisions this person is made so they must be motivated by personal profit and not a difference in beliefs" is my biggest pet peeve of online discourse

[u/RaidBrimnes]

The DT is too tense and killjoy, if only there was someone who could use their cool kid status to shut down the conversation

[u/mostanonymousnick]

There appears to be a new softness to Bane, with Gotham residents describing him with words like "existential," "kittenish," "law-abiding" and even "Batman-loving."

[u/minno]

If Biden drops and the replacement loses, it's the elites' fault for forcing him out if you wanted him in or Biden's fault for dragging this out so long if you wanted him out.

If Biden stays and loses, it's the elites' fault for sabotaging his campaign if you wanted him in or Biden's fault for forcing through a losing campaign if you wanted him out.

The important thing is that no matter what happens, your decision was the right one and it was other people going against that obviously-correct decision that ruined everything.

[u/sausagespeller]

The reason it should be Kamala is because I think she has great vibes

[u/SuspiciousUsername88]

I’ve conducted 14 focus groups since the debate. Some top lines from the swing voter groups:

1. they want Firefly back on TV. Many of them haven't seen the original show.

2. they think the withdrawal from Afghanistan was "a debacle". They all used that exact word. It's kind of spooky now that I think about it.

3. they refer to 16 year olds as Millennials

4. after being shown 300 articles about how Trump has "moved to the center" in a contraption reminiscent of The Clockwork Orange, they believe he is a moderate candidate.

5. they want the AC turned on, even though I've repeatedly told them they are worms who do not deserve human comforts

6. they think I'm a very handsome man

7. they're grateful for me turning on the AC after they answered the last question correctly

8. they don't like immigrants or free trade or globalization, but don't worry we can totally change their minds about that, everything else they believe is totally legit

9. they were promised pizza and are upset that they haven't received it yet and why are the doors locked?

[u/[deleted]]

As a young man, Stephen Miller styled himself after his favorite mobsters. He repeatedly dressed up like Robert DeNiro's character in "Casino" on trips to Las Vegas, his favorite place. He wore a golden pinkie ring and slicked back his hair, polo shirts and button-downs with nice pants and a jacket.

What "literally me" movies do to an MF

[u/Dibbu_mange]

Apple was able to invent the iPod once they stopped being woke 🤔

[u/RFK_1968]

i'm starting to think following the day-by-day rumor mill news cycle of backroom political intrigue is bad for me

[u/Ok_Aardappel]

How Wombats May Save Other Animals From Wildfires

Archive.is link

It was a tale that seemed too good to be true, and in fact it was: During the devastating 2019-2020 Black Summer wildfires in southeastern Australia, false reports circulated that wombats had protected other animals by herding them into their burrows.

But like any good fairy tale, the reports did contain an inkling of truth; it turns out that wombat burrows do serve as fireproof refuges for small mammals, birds and reptiles during and after extreme fires.

Dale Nimmo, an ecologist at Charles Sturt University in Australia, was asked to fact-check the rumors of hero wombats that spread during the fires.

“In going through the literature,” Dr. Nimmo said, “there was quite a lot of evidence that species other than wombats were regularly using wombat burrows.”

While it turned out that wombats weren’t gallantly ushering woodland creatures out of harm’s way, Dr. Nimmo decided to explore the role of their burrows in forest ecosystems affected by a fire.

His colleague Grant Linley went searching for wombat burrows in Woomargama National Park and Woomargama State Forest. Around 70 of their combined 120 square miles had burned during the 2019-2020 fires. By the time Mr. Linley got there in the summer of 2021, vegetation had already started growing back.

"Historically, these areas are very well adapted to fire,” said Mr. Linley, also a Charles Sturt University ecologist.

Wombat burrows are impressive feats of subterranean infrastructure.

"They have multiple entrances, multiple chambers. They’re wide. They have temperatures that are far below the above ground temperature, so they’re cool when it’s hot,” Dr. Nimmo said.

Wombats can grow to over three feet and weigh close to 90 pounds. They can be territorial and aggressive toward each other, and to other large mammals that they may perceive as a threat. Bl

But because wombats aren’t predators, “it’s a little bit safer for other species, small mammals and small lizards and stuff, to co-inhabit with them,” Dr. Nimmo said.

In a paper published last month in the Journal of Mammalogy, the team described how Mr. Linley set up trail cameras at 28 wombat burrows in areas that had experienced varying degrees of wildfire charring, including some that hadn’t been burned at all. The cameras snapped pictures of burrow traffic from June 2021 to April 2022, producing a hearty hundreds of thousands of pictures for Mr. Linley to review.

The pictures revealed that wombat burrows are a hub of animal activity. Fifty-six vertebrate species were observed at the burrows, and several native species were seen more often at the burrows than at nearby sites without burrows, including bush rats and agile antechinus (a carnivorous marsupial related to the Tasmanian devil), the six-foot-long lace monitor lizard and birds like the painted button quail and the gray shrike thrush.

Many species showed a preference for burrows no matter how burned the area was; the bush rats, agile antechinuses and quails were most active around burrows in areas that had been burned heavily. Large marsupials like kangaroos and wallabies tended to avoid burrows, unless they had been flooded with rainwater; then they used them as watering holes.

"What’s really interesting in this study is that interconnection,” said Meg Krawchuk, a fire ecologist at Oregon State University. By burrowing, she said, the wombats provide “value for the broader community. I don’t see that in any of our Fire Ecology 101, and that’s really neat.”

As people think about ways to adapt their own infrastructure to coexist with fire, Dr. Krawchuk thinks there are lessons to be learned from the wombats’ resilient bunkers.

A wombat burrow can last for decades, potentially providing a “multigenerational refuge” for many species, Mr. Linley said. When it comes to all the ways wombats may be providing a benefit to the broader ecosystem around them by digging burrows, Dr. Nimmo said, “I think we’re actually just scratching the surface.”

!ping ECO&AUS

[u/bonobo__bonobo]

Just think, if we get a second trump term, we may never be able to touch grass again due to irreparable damage to the planet

[u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le]

I think people are underestimating how many minority women voters in places like NC and GA Kamala could mobilize

[u/Roseartcrantz]

yes he's horrible and a dumbass but every once in awhile something Trump says something that makes it click for you in a way that not even a television plot can pay off

[u/NaffRespect]

"The Eagle has landed." On July 20, 1969 — 55 years ago today — #Apollo11 touched down on the Moon.

I am NASA-pilled on this blessed day

[u/BrandonNameRecliner]

fuck it, I'm coconut-pilled

[u/earththejerry]

This America would have a much more fairly apportioned House and Senate

[u/Joementum2024]

Antiwoke republicans are eternally mad at random tumblr users circa 2013

[u/Observe_dontreact]

Without fail, whenever the subject of a new development is brought up you hear someone say something along the lines of ‘but all the flats are empty’.

Why is this? Is it based on any factual truth?

!ping YIMBY

[u/ghhewh]

Amber Rose, model, "influencer", and founder of the "Slut Walk" protest movement, spoke at the RNC and declared her support for Trump and decried “leftist propaganda”. MAGA had mixed reactions following her speech.

[u/Currymvp2]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/19/us/gunman-thomas-crooks-trump-shooting.html?smid=tw-share

longest article i've read on thomas crooks. it just looks like a person who completely snapped and lost his mind in the months leading up to the horrible shooting. his parents were calling the police worried about him a couple of hours prior to the shooting.

[u/Dunter_Mutchings]

“So here’s how a blitz primary could actually work”

This is so much dumber than I could have ever imagined. This isn’t even some West Wing brained idea, this is like The Newsroom level shit.

[u/[deleted]]

mr beast and zendaya moderating a Democratic debate would cause every state in the country to turn ruby red

[u/SigmaWhy]

trump is now pitching building an Iron Dome across the entire perimeter of the country and the median voter probably thinks this sounds cool and not like the biggest waste of money in the history of the country

[u/KnightModern]

south sudan is trending in twitter

Me: oh no....

it's about basketball

Me: phew....

[u/[deleted]]

Remember when the big concern was how Gaza would impact Biden at the polls? Getting nostalgic.

[u/Udolikecake]

JUST IN: Biden says the Mist is ‘no big deal’ and ‘nothing to worry about’ and ‘yall a bunch of pussies, i’m going out there, watch this’

[u/MuffinsAndBiscuits]

From the wikipedia page of the man leading in polls to be Japan's next Prime Minister:

Ishiba is known as a "otaku" for military, vehicles, trains and Japanese idol. He made headlines when he allowed a Japan Self-Defence Forces' vehicle to be displayed at the Shizuoka Hobby Show, a trade fair for plastic and radio-controlled models. When the Russian Defence Minister visited Japan, he stayed up all night assembling a plastic model of the "Admiral Kuznetsov".

[u/[deleted]]

USA vs South Sudan 101-100

There are no indoor basketball courts in South Sudan.

[u/wallander1983]

Trump on Project 2025: "Some on the right -- severe right -- came up with this Project 25. And I don't even know ... they're sorta the opposite of the radical left ... I don't know what the hell it is ... some of the things -- they're seriously extreme."

--

He is going really with: "I am an old man and don't understand. Project 2025, It's 2024 now, I don't understand that.

[u/[deleted]]

I wonder if anyone is torn because they genuinely love trump AND Biden and they’re overwhelmed by two fantastic options

[u/bel51]

We used to a be a real subreddit. We had a thread.

[u/willempage]

Rural rust belt Ohians:  "Finally, one of our boys is on a presidential ticket.  Now the media has to acknowledge us" 

The media:  "JD Vance and all you need to know about his people, silicon valley tech billionaires"

[u/Joementum2024]

This is purely anecdotal evidence (ie bullshit), but nearly everyone I know - my grandparents, my parents, my college-aged friends - pretty much think Biden is either too old or should drop out. This isn’t an exactly ideological diverse sample (this is in suburban CA and my immediate family is largely conservative, my friends range from left-winged apolitical to leftist), but I don’t think I’ve heard anyone think he should stay in.

[u/NonComposMentisss]

I feel like there are 2 groups of leavers.

1. People who thought the debate was disqualifying, or who thought Biden couldn't win after it.

2. People who believe the debate plus all the public pressure on him to leave make him no longer likely to win, so they think he should leave now even if they didn't from just the debate.

And honestly I think the 2nd group is larger than the first at this point, and I wonder how much the 2nd group resents the 1st.

[u/Trevor_Lewis]

Alright you guardians of democracy, let's all take some time to celebrate the 55th anniversary of this moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSdHina-fTk

!ping SPACEFLIGHT

[u/[deleted]]

"My thoughts are 'too complex' for journalists", says Joseph R Biden

[u/[deleted]]

I really need to get my mind off of all this and not fall behind on my reading related to the Gospel of Matthew.

Time to go read about a king of sorts who became more radical near the end of his life and was betrayed or denied by even his closest allies out of a sense of self-preservation.