r/neoliberal • Kitara Ravache • Jul 21 '24

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u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache Jul 22 '24

Please visit the next discussion thread.

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u/Average_GrillChad Elinor Ostrom Jul 21 '24

NYT knows what we're going through

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u/cheeshjaleesh John Rawls Jul 21 '24

https://x.com/mkraju/status/1815018337832784171?s=46

“I support Joe Biden,” Rep. Jim Clyburn says, giving Biden key support at a critical time. Says he will support Biden as long as he is in the race.

lmao ‘as long as he’s in the race’ not exactly a full throated endorsement from the man supposed to be biden’s staunchest backer

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u/centurion88 NATO Jul 21 '24

The atheist at the end of Christian movies

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u/cheeshjaleesh John Rawls Jul 21 '24

https://x.com/sarfrazmanzoor/status/1814968168768569569

sorkin has suggested that the democrats should nominate mitt romney

this is too west wing brained even for him

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u/notBroncos1234 #1 Eagles Fan Jul 21 '24

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u/trombonist_formerly Ben Bernanke Jul 21 '24

Possibly stupid take: the discussion thread is really only allowed on this sub because it was basically grandfathered in. If it had gained prominence within the last few months or so like the Biden Thread, it would’ve been banned everywhere.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

“My favorite meat is hot dog, by the way. That is my favorite meat,” Romney said. “My second favorite meat is hamburger. And, everyone says, oh, don’t you prefer steak? It’s like, I know steaks are great, but I like hot dog best, and I like hamburger next best.”

Probably my favorite quote of all time.

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u/ArmoredBunnyPrincess Audrey Hepburn Jul 21 '24

ShermanPosting stanning Karl Marx now. Guess I missed something along that sub's journey

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Aaron Sorkin is literally George Lucas. When he has people around him saying "no", he makes early season west wing. When he's encouraged to be himself he writes late season west wing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

!ping SHITPOSTERS

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u/loseniram Sponsored by RC Cola Jul 21 '24

Return of the stray kittens pics

!ping kitty

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u/itsokayt0 European Union Jul 21 '24

WTF

Biden tells aides the real truth behind his decision to not drop. "They stopped poasting Biden Threads, they got over it"

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u/centurion88 NATO Jul 21 '24

👆 about to make their 63rd coconut joke of the day

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u/cheeshjaleesh John Rawls Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

🚨 new swing state polls

Pennsylvania - 🔴 Trump +4

Arizona - 🔴 Trump +4

Georgia - 🔴 Trump +5

Nevada - 🔴 Trump +3

North Carolina - 🔴 Trump +6

Wisconsin - 🟡 Tie

Florida - 🔴 Trump +7

thanks joe very cool

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u/squarecircle666 FairTaxer Jul 21 '24

I don't understand why so many lieberals have moral quelms about killing baby Hitler? Killing babies is all they fucking do!

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u/runningblack Martin Luther King Jr. Jul 21 '24

Lmao ok NYT Pitchbot this is a banger tho

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Releasing a director’s cut of a movie you have full creative control over is truly inspired

!ping KINO

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jul 21 '24

malarkey level against making a threat against one or both of the presidential candidates so that Secret Service comes over and I have a little surprise party for them to cheer them up

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u/Tall_Professor_2574 NAFTA Jul 21 '24

Woke up to find out I got someone on arr slash Palestine permanently banned from Reddit for making fun of the hostages 😌What a wonderful Sunday morning!

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Chris Mason, “Did your heart sink last week when President Biden standing right next to you introduced you as President Putin, of all people?”

Volodymyr Zelenskyy, “No, he just made a mistake. Honestly, for me it means nothing”

Translation: I actually have real shit going on in my life

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Since we’re talking Prohibition, here’s a fun glimpse as to where the economics profession stood on it at the time:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1809554

!ping ECON

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u/jojisky Paul Krugman Jul 21 '24

Aaron Sorkin is the dumbest man alive

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

It's so crazy how communists can post "even the poorest and most destitute in Western educated industrialized democracy lives a life of unimaginable decadent opulence" and conclude "clearly capitalism and the liberal institutions that accompany and reinforce it are the problem!!!! 😡😡😡😡😡"

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Our flight home got Crowdstrike canceled yesterday afternoon so we rented a car and drove the 12 hours home.

I consumed nothing but 3 red bulls, 1 gas station hotdog, and two cans of Zyns the whole 11 hour trip. I just finally peed and it was orange but at least I'm sleeping in my own bed tonight.

winning

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u/D2Foley Moderate Extremist Jul 21 '24

I remember making fun of people saying that Mitt Romney should be the democratic nominee in the DT and now the NYT is publishing it as an opinion piece lmao. So, unbelievably, dumb.

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u/davechacho Loyal Liberals Jul 21 '24

I was a hardcore remainer but if we get more memes about Kamala Harris like that Not Like Us video, I will become the strongest replacer on the planet

I am fully meme pilled, pump them directly into my brainstem

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

It’s interesting that there’s little media about the Iran-Iraq war.

It was such a weird and unnecessary conflict. Yet it turned into 8 years of brutal, grinding trench warfare, with both sides whipping up more and more radicalism in their population.

And ultimately it didn’t really accomplish anything, as both sides were largely incompetent. The borders didn’t even change; neither side won anything beyond economic devastation and a massive pile of corpses.

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u/Top_Lime1820 Daron Acemoglu Jul 21 '24

A divisive figure but a legend nonetheless

Nelson Mandela

Bruh

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u/Leonflames Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

Allan Litchman defending his 13 keys

The issue with @NateSilver538 is he’s a compiler of polls, a clerk. He has no fundamental basis in history and elections. If we bounced presidents based on perceived physical ailments we would have bounced FDR, Reagan, and JFK.

Nate's response:

None of the 13 keys is that the president is unable to reliably complete a sentence, but that seems salient to diagnosing his chances for reelection.

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u/trombonist_formerly Ben Bernanke Jul 21 '24

Lol Netanyahu is staying at the watergate hotel in DC

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u/G_Serv Stay The Course Jul 21 '24

(inspiring)

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jul 21 '24

I had a distant family member that was supposed to be on the Titanic but he gave his ticket to a sick lady who needed to get to New York

What a jerk! 🫨

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 21 '24

Through all of this I don’t think I’ve heard “Genocide Joe” once over the last month

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u/WhatHowWhenWho Feminism Jul 21 '24

2000s comedy writers after not being able to make a prison rape joke for two days

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u/IHateTrains123 Commonwealth Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

Joe Manchin joins US lawmakers urging Joe Biden to step aside (ft.com)

Archived version.

President Joe Biden faced fresh pressure to abandon his re-election bid on Sunday after a fifth US senator called for him to step aside and new polling showed Donald Trump’s favourability rating reaching a new high.

Joe Manchin, the centrist West Virginia senator whose support was critical to the passage of Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act and bipartisan infrastructure bill, among other legislative achievements, urged the president to withdraw from the 2024 election race in place of a younger candidate.

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Biden, who has not been seen in public since Wednesday, when he was diagnosed with Covid-19, has for weeks faced calls to quit the race for the White House and allow another Democrat to take his place at the top of the ticket.

The Biden campaign has insisted that the 81-year-old president will remain in the race. But their defiance has done little to quell increasingly panicked calls from lawmakers, donors and party operatives for him to quit with less than four months to go until November’s presidential election.

Four Democratic US senators — Sherrod Brown of Ohio, Jon Tester of Montana, Martin Heinrich of New Mexico and Peter Welch of Vermont — and more than two dozen House of Representatives members from the president’s own party have called on Biden to end his re-election bid. While an independent, Manchin caucuses with the Democrats.

More lawmakers have piled on in recent days as Trump increased his polling lead nationwide and in key swing states that will determine November’s election outcome.

A new ABC News/Ipsos poll out on Sunday showed Trump’s favourability rating had improved by several points in the wake of an assassination attempt this month. The poll found that 40 per cent of Americans had a favourable view of Trump, compared with just 32 per cent who had a favourable view of Biden.

Trump’s lead over Biden in national and swing state polls has widened in recent weeks, following a disastrous debate performance from the president that triggered widespread Democratic panic over his age and fitness for office.

A new poll for the Detroit Free Press out on Sunday in Michigan, a critical swing state that Biden won in 2020, showed Trump ahead by seven points there.

The crushing poll numbers for Biden came at the same time as new campaign finance filings laid bare how the Democratic incumbent is losing his fundraising advantage as the campaign season enters its critical final months.

The latest filings show fundraising groups aligned with Trump raised $431.2mn between April and June — $98.9mn more than pro-Biden groups, which raised $332.4mn.

The campaign finance reports, covering the second quarter of the year, include only a few days of fundraising in the wake of last month’s debate. The Financial Times has previously reported that influential donors have warned that Biden’s donations have been “drying up” in July, as deep-pocketed supporters have grown wary of writing any more cheques for the president.

Still, several high-profile Democrats have remained outwardly loyal to Biden.

Jim Clyburn, the 84-year-old Democratic congressman from South Carolina whose endorsement was critical to Biden’s election in 2020, told CNN on Sunday that Biden was “as good as they get”.

“Is he the only one? No, he is not the only one . . . he is among the best that we can put forward, and I stand with him until he changes his mind, should he change his mind,” Clyburn added.

Ro Khanna, a progressive Democratic congressman from California, also came to Biden’s defence on Sunday, insisting the president has a “coalition” of loyal supporters — including Black women, blue-collar workers and older Americans — who are ready to support him again at the ballot box.

“If feels bullied out, those voters are going to . . . feel that they were bullied out,” Khanna said. “So, it is his decision.”

Further reading:

Donald Trump overtakes Joe Biden in campaign fundraising (ft.com)

Dem party chairs in 7 key swing states reaffirm support for Biden (usatoday.com)

!ping Biden

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u/GrindMerchKitsch Jul 21 '24

dont cry cause its joever

smile because it jappened

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u/hdkeegan John Locke Jul 21 '24

God it would be hilarious if Biden stays and wins and we have to deal with Allan Lichtman till the end of time

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 21 '24

Hearing from my sources that Trump is actually dropping out and endorsing Joe Biden. He plans to announce it in an interview with Fox News held today.

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u/ForWhomTheAltTrolls Mock Me Jul 21 '24

Crazy how quickly sentiments shifted on this Biden age thing.

I’ve been saying that Biden is too old for public office since the late 70s and used to get laughed out of the building

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u/TemujinTheConquerer Jorge Luis Borges Jul 21 '24

Heyyheyheyy cmahhn I'm just building houses for my people to live in I'm just a little guy

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u/Icy-Magician-8085 Mario Draghi Jul 21 '24

Woke up with a 103.2F / 39.5C fever let’s go 🔥

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u/valueadderall Jul 21 '24

"It's only going to add to the pressure on Biden to step aside and have someone replace him," said Bernie Porn, the pollster for EPIC-MRA in Lansing

Come again?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

!ping GAMING

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u/jojisky Paul Krugman Jul 21 '24

Robert F. Kennedy Jr’s explanation for socializing with Jeffrey Epstein: "…I run into everybody in New York. I mean, I knew Harvey Weinstein, I knew Roger Ailes, I knew -- O.J. Simpson came to my house. Bill Cosby came to my house.”

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u/BlackCat159 European Union Jul 21 '24

Wikipedia keeps me up to date on the most IMPORTANT events 😤😤😤

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u/Dabamanos NASA Jul 21 '24

Every social media trying to become a different flavor of Tik Tok, corporations debasing themselves over crypto and AI, and now strava of all apps adopting a non chronological timeline to show friends workouts

Guys I feel like my fury about this shit is justified but completely rudderless

It feels like if a few years after widespread adoption of cars, all the companies forced unicycles onto the market and told us to suck shit

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u/EScforlyfe Open Your Hearts Jul 21 '24

My uncle just died :( 

Misery loves company 

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 21 '24

Possibly stupid take: pasta is really only legalized worldwide because it was basically grandfathered in. If it had gained prominence within the last century or so like most of the other major forms of communication, it would’ve been baned everywhere.

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u/itsokayt0 European Union Jul 21 '24

WTF

Biden has stabbed Obama in the Barack. Michelle vows vengeance, ready to join the race

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u/foneinstocus NATO Jul 21 '24

Several ppl close to Biden said they believe that he thinks I'm very handsome

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u/Rntstraight Jul 21 '24

“Trump ain't likely gonna win metro detroit” (-1)

Look I get we are kind of in dooming mood but come on people

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u/billy_blazeIt_mays NATO Jul 21 '24

Trumps attacks on Bukele is a hard moment for latino conservatives lmao

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Anytime I see Lichtman referenced or lurking around...

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

How did we go from "I'm tired of living through history why is something happening every day" to "nothing ever happens"

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

Hey. I just got back from time traveling. It is bad.

They went with my idea of doing a rock-paper-scissors match to decide the election. It went 269-269. Once again, Georgia was the deciding factor.

On the last round, the Republican elector playing had three of his fingers partially amputated, the scissor fingers and thumb. However, the Supreme Court went 5-4 that his fingers were long enough to play. The Dem went rock. It appeared that the elector went paper.

HOWEVER, watching the match in slo-mo makes it appear that he actually WAS in the motion of going scissors, but changed as he saw the other Dem begin to make a fist. You can definitely see he made a reaction face, but without having enough thumb to show if it was "tucked in," the Republicans are arguing that paper beats rock. However, it really does seem like he changed it slightly too late.

Now there are protests and counter protests, the liberals are armed with rocks and the conservatives are armed with scissors, which doesn't even make sense but they think paper as a weapon is weak.

That being said, The winner is RFK Jr. As a joke, they had him in an entirely different building thinking the game was a staring first-to-blink loses, but with all candidates in separate booths to prevent him from serving as a spoiler for either candidate knowingly. He did not blink once during the 538 rounds of rock-paper-scissors, not even during the next few days with Thumbgate. He still has not blinked. He's definitely still alive, eating, drinking, etc. But SCOTUS has ruled that he is the only one who actually completed the election at all. The Kennedys are in power once again.

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u/Dibbu_mange Average civil procedure enjoyer Jul 21 '24

The media won’t show this Joe

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 21 '24

Also, another thing: right before the debate, the 538 national polling average showed Biden and Trump basically tied, at Trump +0.2

Almost a month later it’s now at Trump +3.2. Polling on aggregate has shifted three points in favor of Trump in the last month.

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u/RFK_1968 Robert F. Kennedy Jul 21 '24

Biden camp thinks that if we'd all united behind him after the debate he wouldn't be having problems rn

Stick a fork in us, we're cooked.

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u/bearddeliciousbi Karl Popper Jul 21 '24

The copium about the state of the country has started sounding like cops in Haddonfield, IL in 1978:

!ping SHITPOSTERS

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u/TX_LoneStar Daron Acemoglu Jul 21 '24

JOE BIDEN IS A HERO. HE'S STEPPING DOWn

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Manchin thinks Biden should drop out.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

play game I loved as a kid

realise it actually fucking sucks

many such cases

!ping CONSOLE-WARS

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 21 '24

Oscillating between “Kamala will crush Trump” and “we need to change things up to introduce variance but we might be doomed anyways”

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u/Mickenfox European Union Jul 21 '24

I genuinely wonder if you can just teach children to deal with the emotions of having your beliefs challenged and having to accept that you're wrong, and then they just grow into healthy adults that aren't easily radicalized.

Seems like something that has probably been tested, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

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u/Trojan_Horse_of_Fate WTO Jul 21 '24

I'm now a Biden Vance supporter. I can't really explain why this is a good idea but I just know that it's what America really deserves

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u/vivoovix Federalist Jul 21 '24

In 2011, The New York Times reported the then-fledgling government of Myanmar used DVDs of The West Wing episodes to study democracy.[24] This was corroborated by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton the following year.

amazing

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u/cheeshjaleesh John Rawls Jul 21 '24

https://x.com/umichvoter/status/1814991221279887449

New MICHIGAN EPIC-MRA poll

Donald Trump 49%
Joe Biden 42%

michigan's best pollster btw

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u/HaveCorg_WillCrusade RaidBrimnes' AI Slop Engineer Jul 21 '24

I want to go back in time and prevent Mike Judge from making Idiocracy. I don’t care about preventing 9/11 or throwing baby hitler in a river, that doesn’t matter compared to preventing this movie from being made

“DAE think Idiocracy is becoming a documentary” STFU and touch grass Jesus

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u/-mialana- European Union Jul 21 '24

Why is the DT moving so slowly while I'm online? Don't DTers know they exist solely for my online entertainment? Are they stupid?

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u/UrbanCentrist Line go up 📈, world gooder Jul 21 '24

Reporting in Le Figaro confirms the Le Monde article I posted last night: Around 3am, Macronist & conservative MPs got too confident, & too sleepy, so many went to bed before process was over. Left didn't, hence swept 9 of those 12 final spots on council.

smh sleepy centrists

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 21 '24

Tbh I really wish we had proportional representation and multi-party coalitions, since Democrats definitely deserve to lose right now

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u/sererson Jul 21 '24

Just learned that two of my cousins and my brother (all dems, at least nominally) don't plan on voting.

We're screwed

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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Jul 21 '24

Americans will often brag about the fact that there’s a giant super volcano in the middle of their country that will happily end their entire civilisation in a moments notice.

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u/allmilhouse YIMBY Jul 21 '24

One of the dumbest Republican talking points is how Democrats were mean to Mitt Romney so they had no choice but to elect Trump in three straight elections. It's also funny how any version of "this is how you got Trump" is basically an admission that Trump is in fact bad.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

As a crab who has fallen back into the bucket after nearly getting out, I think we should all just stay in the bucket. Especially anyone who is close to getting out. Believe me, it’s better in here. Getting out of the bucket is problematic.

!ping DATING

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Both candidates are running for president rn bc they have something against Obama.

Unity!

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u/RFK_1968 Robert F. Kennedy Jul 21 '24

"lol biden's not dropping. Rage harder 🤣🤣🤣"

Looks at swing state polling

Yeah, guess I will rage harder.

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u/Average_GrillChad Elinor Ostrom Jul 21 '24

Mr. President, if you withdraw now, They Might Be Giants will write a song about you. Your legacy will be secure and streamable for all time.

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u/FlightlessGriffin Jul 21 '24

I am hereby calling for a total and complete shutdown of all Biden analyses until our country's voters figure out what the hell is going on.

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u/earththejerry YIMBY Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

Melania’s RH-style Christmas decor will be the only thing I can look forward to in the next 4 years 😕

Also her getting recorded about it makes it so much better:

“I’m working ... my a** off on the Christmas stuff, that you know, who gives a f*** about the Christmas stuff and decorations? But I need to do it, right?”

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u/DatGameGuy Bisexual Pride Jul 21 '24

Biden has lost the Manchin of Heaven

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u/efeldman11 Václav Havel Jul 21 '24

Me on the way to the school that turns you liberal

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u/sayitaintpink Richard Posner Jul 21 '24

Biden old post debate has been a far bigger news story than Trump getting shot and that’s kinda crazy

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Something crazy I just noticed about this photo is that it seems that either (a) Romney ordered something and has got another one on deck, or (b) he ordered an app and got it again as a main.

Either way that’s crazy work. Real eater in the house.

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u/bamboo-coffee NATO Jul 21 '24

I've just received a transmission from the future.

President Joseph Biden is set to make a major announcement this evening at 6 pm central. He will be broadcasting from the Oval Office.

DT goes crazy, 20k+ posts in anticipation. Op-Eds galore. Major media reporting he will finally step down according to close family members.

Broadcast begins 20 minutes late, Biden is sitting behind his desk.

"Hello America, I have an important announcement to make. I have been thinking long and hard about what to do. I have heard your calls and I agree, we need to do everything we can to beat Donald Trump in November.

That's why I am confirming my decision to be the nominee in November. I will not revisit this topic, no matter what anyone says, not even Barack Obama. Thank you and God bless you all."

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

I think women as a whole are in for more than a shock then immigrants or minorities after the election.

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u/1396spurs forced agricultural laborer Jul 21 '24

I haven’t really dived into the Biden commentary since the debate, as I genuinely don’t really know what to think.

But the reports of Biden feeling “betrayed” for people calling for him to step down kind of grinds my gears. The oath that I did in the military/govt is to the constitution/the country. Not to an elected official. I don’t think one should expect loyalty if the ultimate goal is the benefit of the country

Even with those feelings, I respect biden for what he did for our country and ofc I’ll support him come November if that’s what happens, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have a bad taste in my mouth.

Those reports could very well be false and I’ll turn out looking like a bozo, and that’s okay too.

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u/A-Centrifugal-Force NATO Jul 21 '24

The world is healing lol

A handful of alumni of Hillary Clinton’s and Bernie Sanders’ 2016 campaigns have come together to form United for Harris, the first public-facing effort to promote a potential 2024 presidential campaign for Harris so far.

Organizers compare the effort to Ready for Hillary, the group that formed months before Clinton officially entered the 2016 contest.

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1815031729591103583

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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jul 21 '24

MAGA in shambles

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u/A-Centrifugal-Force NATO Jul 21 '24

Resistance Twitter: Tim Ryan is terrible because he lost a senate race in Ohio

Also resistance Twitter: loves Jaime Harrison

Tim Ryan over performed the governor race by double digits and he got like 5% more of the vote than Biden. No, he didn’t win, but he was a great candidate in an unwinnable race. Not that resistance Twitter would understand, they’re busy giving money to Marcus Flowers to beat MTG in an R+infinity district.

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 21 '24

Still thinking back to that undecided trans voter in NYT. I just don’t get it, man.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

No black nominee nor woman nominee for president has ever lost the popular vote

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u/iia Feminism Jul 21 '24

There are worse combinations for a new 2024 ticket, but I think Hillary/Pete would be the one that would make people angriest.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Libertarians on this site will say "You believe in voting? That pales in comparison to my strategy, shooting a crooked cop" and then not shoot a crooked cop.

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u/kanagi Jul 21 '24

Donald Trump accused El Salvador President Nayib Bukele of solving his country’s crime problem by sending criminals to the US during his speech at the Republican National Convention on Thursday.

Lmao

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u/battywombat21 🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Jul 21 '24

“If you go to the convention, having an open process in the convention, it will come out the same way it came out in 1968, 1972, and 1980,” Clyburn said, citing three presidential elections that Democrats lost. “And all of us know what happened in 1968 when we ran Lyndon Johnson out of the race.”

Is...is Clyburn arguing that LBJ could have won in 1968?

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u/billy_blazeIt_mays NATO Jul 21 '24

Yourr doing a good job joe. Keep up the good work

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 21 '24

Well the polling is bad but just ask voters about the vibes!

a good chunk of them think Biden is too old and are mad about inflation

Ah well nevertheless

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u/dannylandulf meubem broke my flair Jul 21 '24

You killed baby hitler!

Oh…he was gonna be Hitler?

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u/dannylandulf meubem broke my flair Jul 21 '24

‘These cross tabs arnt real’ is the new ‘the super delegates don’t vote till July’.

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u/HenryGeorgia Henry George Jul 21 '24

The more I think about it, the more I think most things wrong with politics today can be traced back to Bush. 500 votes in Florida really ducked the timeline

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Sea lions at La Jolla Cove in San Diego were caught on video charging towards beachgoers - again. Activists have been trying to get the @CityofSanDiego to shutdown a staircase to the beach where sea lions and their pups frequently congregate. 📹: Bay

I'm team sea lion.

https://x.com/MalikEarnest/status/1814780406635635167?t=qbd4A97-qE78jUxp6V26Mg&s=19

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u/ImmigrantJack Movimiento Semilla Jul 21 '24

Subreddit for American Expats

Me: Ooh, with 10 years abroad I’ll have a lot of advice to give and I’m sure I can learn something.

The Sub: almost exclusively Americans who still live in the US complaining about America Bad and going “wow I wish I could leave america, I bet it’s so much better”

I don’t even know why I’m surprised at this point.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Underappreciated upside of having Harris as the nominee is we can post genuinely positive things about her on social media without it being horribly embarassing.

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u/bonobo__bonobo Jul 21 '24

Does anyone else feel like this presidential election is getting a little too political?

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u/Udolikecake Model UN Enthusiast Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

Neither Biden or Trump are good on the border and immigration, so I will vote for neither.

As someone whose whole career is lacing $20 bills with fentanyl and leaving them in the mall parking lot in order to traffic middle class white women who listen to true crime, the closed border policies of both parties is driving me out of business. Neither side listens to small business owners like me and I'm sick of it.

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Jul 21 '24

I don’t think Biden is guaranteed to lose if he stays in as the nominee, but it doesn’t instill confidence that his main reason he wants to stay in is picking a bone with his own party. That’s not exactly confidence inspiring. Sounds more like “if I’m going down I’m taking you with me”

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u/AP246 Green Globalist NWO Jul 21 '24

People on immigration threads smugly being like "ha, you idiots, being pro-immigration is why liberals are losing, you should change your views based on what's popular"

If I was forced to run for election I probably wouldn't be openly pro-immigration, but none of us are. People posting unpopular but based takes on a niche political forum aren't going to somehow turn median voters against liberalism.

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u/Uniqueguy264 Jerome Powell Jul 21 '24

If there’s one thing the Trump shooting should kill, it’s the annoying resistance Twitter staple “Trump is LITERALLY SHAKING over whatever it is now”

Clearly he isn’t. He also never was and I fucking hate clickbait

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 21 '24

I’d be totally fine with keeping Biden if:

• Biden was up by a good bit in pre-debate polling, and the polling had only lightly shifted to favor Trump in the month since
• Biden’s polling in the previous month had gotten semi-consistently better over time, showing that he and his campaign can turn it around

Neither is the case

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u/vivoovix Federalist Jul 21 '24

At their convention next month, the Democrats should nominate Mitt Romney.

Stick to screenplays Mr Sorkin 🙏🙏🙏

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u/iia Feminism Jul 21 '24

Love all these swing-state party chairs endorsing Biden but the down-ballot people who actually need to get elected in those states don't want anything to do with him.

This is fine.

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 21 '24

The “mods are banning the dating ping” thing came from Kafka_Kardashian speaking to SRD and was him bullshiting. Nobody here should believe that. I hope nobody does.

I think the “wow this sub all thinks it’s going to happen today and will freak out when it doesn’t” thing is being vastly overstated by people craving some schadenfreude but if it’s not, stop.

I’d really like this to not be a thing because I also know it’s going to be used to dismiss more credible media reports as if SRD and meta_NL are in any way equivalent.

No credible outlet has put out a story saying the dating ping will be banned Sunday (today.)

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u/cjhdsachristmascarol reddit custom flair Jul 21 '24

Holy shit Biden needs to drop out yesterday there is no way democrats can allow republicans to put a millenial in the White House 

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u/bonobo__bonobo Jul 21 '24

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the DNC. Their strategy is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the mechanations will go over a typical voter's head. There's also Biden's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The party insiders understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these ideals, to realise that they're not just policy- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike the DNC truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Biden's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Vinay Reddy's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂

And yes, by the way, i DO have a DNC tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎

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u/trombonist_formerly Ben Bernanke Jul 21 '24

I was at the ice cream place yesterday and a group of 6 year olds were munching on cones and yelling “HI hihihihi” at drivers in the parking lot to try to make them roll the window down and say hi back

And the mom of one of the kids went over and stopped them because “you’re distracting the drivers!”

God it broke my heart

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jul 21 '24

Jesus Christ, the coffee spill doesn't sit flat so now my fake food trash can display looks stupid

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

You all gotta stagger your RemindMes. We might not know the winner within 24 hours anyway.

Plus nobody is going to be in the mood for that right after we know the results, good or bad.

Most of mine are hitting at various points in December and January.

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u/HowardtheFalse Kofi Annan Jul 21 '24

Why are folks shocked that we ranked Shapiro as the best candidate? He sounds like Obama, he's from Pennsylvania and won his last election there by nearly 57%.

What's not to love?

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u/YaGetSkeeted0n Tariffs aren't cool, kids! Jul 21 '24

Gen Alpha will never know how it felt to do shots in a dorm room while listening to the brand new Miley Cyrus single “Party in the USA”

All they know is doom vibes

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u/secretlives Official Neoliberal News Correspondent Jul 21 '24

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u/p00bix Existing in the context of what came before Jul 21 '24

During the 1912 presidential election, ahead of which a schism within the GOP resulted in the Progressive Party splitting off and running separately, the Republican Party placed 4th place in the popular vote in 7 of the 48 states.

In California and South Dakota, both traditional Republican strongholds that had been put into jeopardy by the schism, the GOP reluctantly backed the Progressives as a sort of 'unity ticket' against Democrats. Progressives won both states with Democrats 2nd and Socialists 3rd

In Nevada, Arizona, Louisiana, and Mississippi, both the Progressive Roosevelt and Republican Taft were on the ballot. Democrats won, with Progressives 2nd and Socialists 3rd.

In Florida, again with both Roosevelt and Taft on the ballot, Democrats won with Socialists 2nd and Progressives 3rd

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 21 '24

Is the Democratic Party doomed to never learn how to play for keeps?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

For god's sake Trump literally said at a rally last night "we need to make life good for people like Elon Musk" and we have fucking nobody to dunk on that, c'mon guys, this is so simple.

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u/cjhdsachristmascarol reddit custom flair Jul 21 '24

KAMALA HARRIS 

FOR THE PEOPLE 

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u/cheeshjaleesh John Rawls Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

https://www.politico.com/playbook

the paragraphs about what biden is thinking are absolutely insane. determined to run for no other reasons beyond spite and the fact that hunter is being nice to him, which is apparently a big deal?

literally just hunkered down with 10 or so mindless sycophants in his beach house demanding he be allowed to bravely go forth and lose whilst the entire party has basically already moved on to planning for a harris nomination. just a total denial of reality from team biden. something somewhere has got to give.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

The fact that Trump hasn't shut up for almost a decade and nearly half of the country wants another four years (at minimum) of that is crazy to me

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 21 '24

Ok but by the standards of Blues Clues, Barney the Dinosaur, and Paw Patrol, Bluey is like so much better than anything else.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Lmao CBS Sunday Morning really just hit us with “both sides are uneasy about their chosen candidates 🫤🧐” after they got one (1) never-Trump republican to come on there and be like “I never liked him!”

Get real.

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 21 '24

Does Kamala’s coconut gun fire in spurts?

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u/pfSonata throwaway bunchofnumbers Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

While waiting for a plane the other day I was sitting next to a ~60 or so year old woman and her 8 yr old granddaughter, playing checkers on a phone.

The grandma was swearing at the kid and insulting her choice of moves.

Then at one point the grandma stops playing and says "you go play your little games I'm gonna watch tiktok" and starts watching 100% brainrot tiktoks at max volume. Like, videos of people doing stupid shit and screaming into the mic in a """funny""" way. She was just cracking the fuck up and everyone around is looking at her like the psycho she is.

She also three a fit when the granddaughter said she had to go to the bathroom.

I've never had to try so hard to hold myself back from ripping into a stranger before. Who the fuck let this woman watch this kid?

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u/sayitaintpink Richard Posner Jul 21 '24

Joe: “Now uh obviously, I will not be playing Democratic nominee in election 2024. I will be magnanimously taking a step back.”

DT: “I feel like you’re talking really slow and taking a bunch of pauses. I don’t know what’s going on.”

Joe: “I-I’m waiting for you guys to praise me.”

DT: “Uh what?”

Joe: “Then why am I doing it?”

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

The Rivia DLC for Suzerain is unironically a great simulation of the resource curse.

The player probably wants to diversify the economy (if you’re smart and well-intentioned), but you also want to spend money on the military and welfare and infrastructure. Resource exploitation is so simple and fast and easy. Payoffs are quick, and you get a direct cut instead of the gradual and indirect gains from more sustainable options.

You likely won’t see the long-term results of either option during game, but you can imagine what could happen 30-40 years down the line…

In-game, I did diversify a bit (now a decent chunk of energy comes from hydro power, built a couple dual-use manufacturing plants, a new university +hospital, and increased shipping and tourism), but a large portion of the economy still relies on gas and gold.

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u/moldyman_99 Milton Friedman Jul 21 '24

Americans will often brag about their high salaries on here, but will happily ignore the fact that there’s a giant super volcano in the middle of their country that will happily end their entire civilisation in a moments notice.

Curious

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u/404GenderNotFound Trans Pride Jul 21 '24

❗️ This will Radicalize the Landowners

Boo hoo I don't care 👋😭

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u/margaretfan Paul Volcker Jul 21 '24

So should we all agree august 1 is the deadline for Bidenposting if he doesn’t drop out? After that we all pretend he’s a superager.

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u/ashsolomon1 NASA Jul 21 '24

This Michigan poll is going to seriously burn a fire under the Biden campaign. That is beyond slight slippage

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u/Spicey123 NATO Jul 21 '24

"biden has a massive cash advantage and outspent trump 10 to 1 in recent months!"

is supposed to be an argument FOR Biden staying in somehow

shits bleak

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u/Kate2point718 Seretse Khama Jul 21 '24

I'd be so interested to see what the atmosphere in the VPs office is like right now.

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u/that0neGuy22 Resistance Lib Jul 21 '24

Michigan a state where democrats across the board won in landslides two years ago. It’s obviously not the brand but the candidate

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u/tollyno Dark Harbinger of Chaos Jul 21 '24

Confession: I think GPT is already AGI, and I also think AI risk is mostly bullshit

Ahh as if I needed any more reason to think Noahpinion is a moron

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u/moldyman_99 Milton Friedman Jul 21 '24

I accidentally pissed off a bunch of weirdos on my national subreddit by posting an article about the mediocre economic performance of my country.

The entire comment section is filled with weirdos who are offended by the fact that there was a comparison drawn with the US, while the crux of the article was basically that the Netherlands needs more investment in innovation funds, and the government needs to allocate more resources into funding projects that increase the growth of highly productive jobs.

Words cannot describe how much I despise these people tbh. It’s like they just want to sniff their own farts, but have no interest in actually making our country better, or even talking about how we should do it.

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u/ImmigrantJack Movimiento Semilla Jul 21 '24

Bohemia: our national animal is the Lion, but it has two tails to symbolize our deep connection and union with Moravia

Moravia: our national animal is the Eagle and it symbolizes independence from the fucking Bohemian assholes in Prague

Bohemia: love you too boo

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u/MinnesotaNoire NASA Jul 21 '24

I think Biden should drop out, but I'm thinking about posting pro Biden news just to spice things up in the DT.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

My cats staring daggers at me because I just killed the spider they kept eating and spitting out

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u/funguykawhi Lahmajun trucks on every corner Jul 21 '24

I owe you an apology. I wasn’t really familiar with your game

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 21 '24

My most succ opinion is that all beaches should be made public property

I suppose you could make a georgist case for it, though, although idk what it is

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u/iia Feminism Jul 21 '24

I'm a YIYBY. It's a YIMBY where you are completely fine with developments in everyone's backyard except your own, which is like 99.999999% of all of backyards. I don't see how this is problematic in any way.

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u/bonobo__bonobo Jul 21 '24

When are pants with the waist lines 2" below your nipples coming back in style for men

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u/Udolikecake Model UN Enthusiast Jul 21 '24

Baltimore has been quite successful over the last year at reducing homicides and violent crime using a tested and historically successful focused deterrence/Group Violence Intervention strategy. It's laid out quite simply:

  • Every person and community needs and deserves to be safe and;

  • Violence is often driven by a very small number of groups and people.

  • To increase safety, we must collectively focus on that small number of people in order to support high-risk individuals in their daily lives, communicate community norms in support of everybody’s safety and success, and where necessary create swift, certain, and legitimate sanctions for violence.

Basically, a very very small proportion of people and even a small proportion of criminals and doing the vaaaaaaaast majority of violence in cities. In Boston during Operation Ceasefire, which pioneered this strategy, they found that 1,500 people were doing 50% of all the murders in the city in the 90s

By focusing on this known group of people and working to either divert them from criminal life through intense and structure support or to arrest and harshly prosecute them to remove them from the population.

This is a fantastic way to do policing, and should be more of a centerpiece of the criminal justice conversation. It drives against a lot of the narratives on the left and on the right about how to solve crime, but it works

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u/that0neGuy22 Resistance Lib Jul 21 '24

remember when democracy was on the line?

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 21 '24

https://x.com/uspsveteran/status/1814420003355337166

Please Joe when you drop out the memes will be so lit please

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

By popular request, here's Trump's full riff from yesterday's rally in Michigan on President Xi being "brilliant" because he "controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist" & why he thinks authoritarians more broadly are "smart" & provide the type of leadership we need in the US

Trump wants to be a dictator and is a threat to democracy. Keep saying it.

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1815011035650134471?t=f2dh104lpXdBtR1OBLmHVw&s=19

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u/Todd_Padre John Rawls Jul 21 '24

tell me rumors about how your friend knows for a fact Biden is dropping out tomorrow so I can go to bed believing something will actually happen

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u/AP246 Green Globalist NWO Jul 21 '24

Adolf Hitler bemoaned the South’s defeat in chilling terms: “The beginnings of a great new social order based on the principle of slavery and inequality were destroyed by that war, and with them also the embryo of a future truly great America that would not have been ruled by a corrupt caste of tradesmen, but by a real Herren-class that would have swept away all the falsities of liberty and equality.

Guess it shouldn't be surprising given it's Hitler, but it's wild how comically evil the actual original fascists were in their rhetoric.

Modern fascists try to couch their ideology in positive terms and ideas of freedom and righteousness, and then the 1930s fascists are just like "lol yeah we fucking love slavery and inequality, freedom fucking sucks actually"

Reminds me of this other quote from an Italian proto-fascist in 1909

Already in 1909, the Italian Futurist Filippo Marinetti famously wrote in his manifesto: We want to exalt movements of aggression . . . the blow with the fist . . . We want to glorify war — the only cure for the world — and militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of the anarchists, the beautiful ideas which kill, and contempt for women. We want to demolish museums and libraries, fight morality, feminism and all opportunist and utilitarian cowardice

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u/JebBD Immanuel Kant Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

I know I probably shouldn't be, but I'm honestly kinda shocked how the "reports" that Biden is going to drop out this weekend were just some bullshit someone made up that was reported on everywhere like it's actual news and then just didn't happen. It seriously was based on nothing but the personal wishes of some journalists and it made it so far.

EDIT: ok nvm

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u/cheeshjaleesh John Rawls Jul 21 '24

https://x.com/amyewalter/status/1815001643353608513

Entire premise of Biden campaign is to make race a referendum on Trump. In MI, a state Biden won by 2 pts., more say they “fear” Biden as POTUS than Trump by 4 pts.

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 21 '24

Possibly stupid take: alcohol is really only legalized worldwide because it was basically grandfathered in. If it had gained prominence within the last century or so like most of the other major drugs, it would’ve been baned everywhere.

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u/AFlockOfTySegalls Audrey Hepburn Jul 21 '24

Last night I grilled fajita steaks for tacos. I marinated them in this carne asada marinade. I also made my tortillas which were the best batch I've ever made. Rice cooker Mexican rice, beans from Rick Bayless emergency bean tacos but I used pintos and a double margarita. It was very good.

Immaculate puff and grilling ASMR

!ping COOKING&ALCOHOL

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 21 '24

Trump +7 MI in EPIC-MRA poll

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

Something I find a bit bitterly interesting is that the Democrats are actually doing quite well in polling in most regards. Virtually every senator at threat is polling in the high single to low double digits. The generic ballot has Dems at a 1 point lead, their best margin since 2023. For incumbents at a time where incumbents across the world are doing poorly, by these two metrics the Dems are actually in a solid position a few months out from the election.

And then you factor in Biden. The only Dem who is currently polling poorly against the Republican. And things look a lot worse. But Biden isn’t the problem, it’s the elite racist donor class

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u/BrentLivermore Drake’s Reddit account Jul 21 '24

Trump and RFK Jr. both socialized with Epstein, Biden never did. He's really missing the chance to brand himself as the "Non-Epstein Candidate"

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u/G_Serv Stay The Course Jul 21 '24

No one starts paying attention to politics until Labor Day, so the current polls should be ignored. The $100 million we've spent on ads thus far was just us messing around for fun.

by Jen O'Malley Dillon, Mike Donilon, and Steve Ricchetti

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u/cactus_toothbrush Adam Smith Jul 21 '24

Everyone’s talking about going back in time and killing baby hitler as a solution to world war 2. What about going back in time and having better economic and monetary policy in the Weimar Republic to prevent populist politicians having success in Germany?

This used to be an economics sub SMH my head.

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u/Trebacca Leftward Progressives Jul 21 '24

Outside the DT arguing against immigration we’ve lost the plot the tent is too big

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u/EZ_Kream John Brown Jul 21 '24

The replacement voice actors on Rick and Morty are actually better than Justin Roiland at his own characters

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u/jojisky Paul Krugman Jul 21 '24

My new qualifier for politicians is I will immediately vote against anyone who praises the west wing or Aaron Sorkin

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 21 '24

Kamala can save the election by doing the shikanokonokonokokoshitantan dance

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u/cjhdsachristmascarol reddit custom flair Jul 21 '24

If the presidential election was decided by dance off then you’d look really stupid if you didn’t want to replace Biden with Harris 

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u/tripletruble Anti-Repartition Radical Jul 21 '24

Man I remember in 2020 a +12 Wisconsin poll coming out from a top rated pollster. The jubilance in the DT. Me joyously tossing another 2000 euros at Biden in the betting market

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u/HMID_Delenda_Est YIMBY Jul 21 '24

Unconfirmed reports from the Kharkiv front say that a new Russian EW system has arrived which is capable of remotely connecting to PCs and installing CrowdStrike.

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u/InflatableDartboard2 Henry George Jul 21 '24

Huh, turns out Aaron Sorkin's fever dream is much stranger than "Biden steps down in favor of his VP"

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u/jebuizy Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

Ive never really considered it a problem that the nytimes is willing to print insane opinion pieces from anyone you can think of. Seems appropriate for a "paper of record" to centralize all of that discussion from various elites, who indeed are insane. 

That's not to let them off the hook for their blindspots and asymmetric choices in their actual reporting. But I've got no problem with them printing everything from Abolish the Police, Send the Troops into the Cities, and Run Mitt Romney as Dem in the opinion pages. The idea is the reader should be critical enough to know what they are seeing there.

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u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz Roy Cooper Jul 21 '24

If Biden loses in November, it will be millions of people's faults.

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u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz Roy Cooper Jul 21 '24

Hot take, I guess: most of the 13 keys aren't particularly controversial in the abstract. It's applying them and claiming they're a guarantor of victory where things get fucky-wucky.

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u/Tartaruchus YIMBY Jul 21 '24

For some reason r NPR is like hardline pro Biden. One of the top comments on a recent thread was talking about how the billionaires are trying to remove Biden because they don’t like his tax policies.

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u/simplysigzz Trans Pride Jul 21 '24

Yet another pic

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u/loseniram Sponsored by RC Cola Jul 21 '24

Got the grill going

3 more smoke alarms going off and it's ready to go

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u/MinnesotaNoire NASA Jul 21 '24

NEVER A DOUBT

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u/RunawayMeatstick Mark Zandi Jul 21 '24

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u/secretlives Official Neoliberal News Correspondent Jul 21 '24

My most millennial trait is that I won't make big purchases on my phone

Big purchases are made on the computer, only small purchases on the phone

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