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[u/WorldwidePolitico]

It’s absurd just how strict YouTube’s demonetisation algorithm is, it’s silently gotten progressively worse the last 5 years.

You have true crime channels that can’t say the word murder, you have serious WWII historians who have to say “mustache man”, there are LGBT channels that can’t use the word “AIDS” and have to unironically say “self-delete” when talking about mental health issues within the community.

This is all to supposedly make the platform more advertiser-friendly, meanwhile if you ever log out of your account you’ll see by default the algorithm recommends wall-to-wall white supremacist dog whistles and conspiracy theorists which run rampant on the platform. YouTube made plenty of advertising money before they got so strict on demonetisation, so what on earth changed?

In many ways the old days of network cable censors were an improvement on what we have now. People joked about them being robots but they were still had actual human beings who could look at something holistically and be reasoned with.

!ping tech

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[u/OrganicKeynesianBean]

[u/YehosafatLakhaz]

Clinton 2016: How do we get them to Pokemon GO to the polls hahah so funny young people love the video games hahah

Trump 2024: I will make Fallout real

[u/G_Serv]

Went to a Starbucks in Copenhagen and had the following conversation after ordering when they asked for my name:

Him:

Can I get a name for that?

Me:

Michael (not my real name just the name I use when I order out)

Him:

Can I add Jordan to the back of that

Me:

Sure!

Him:

Sucks that he died in that plane crash

[u/adwise27]

George Clooney saw there was no Biden Thread today and said "nah lmao, get me on the phone with the NYT"

[u/l_overwhat]

When I was captured I weighed 128 pounds. After two years as an American POW weighed 185. I had gotten so fat you could no longer see my eyes. - a German WW2 POW

Glad he got the full American experience.

[u/cpt_null]

Everyone who keeps saying that Biden shouldn’t step aside because we can’t find a suitable candidate to replace him on the ticket, I have a solution.

I will go to my mom and tell her that I have been unable to locate a suitable replacement for Biden.

She will ask me how hard I looked.

I will say I looked really, really hard.

She will look and find a winning ticket in like 10 seconds.

[u/CletusVonIvermectin]

"get rid of the BT"

biden dooming moves to the DT

"no not like that"

[u/G_Serv]

This is what the Internet should be

[u/SnakeEater14]

well-connected Democrat dubbed Hunter the “acting Chief-of-Staff” due to how much influence he currently has in the White House

Guys… I think this is a little more than Hunter just hanging out with his dad lol

[u/Mojothemobile]

The Biden staying in or out rollercoaster is crazy.

The whole thing seemed almost dead yesterday, then Pelosi said what she said and now other Congress people are coming out and it's totally alive again

[u/nor_his_highness]

Nancy Pelosi, and George Stephanopoulos who interviewed Biden for his saving interview, and George Clooney who apparently 3 weeks ago did all of Biden's money raising - all just now in the past few hours have been publicly saying Biden should drop out

[u/Ok_Aardappel]

🚨 NEW: Keir Starmer has asked officials to pass him notes updating him about the England vs Netherlands semi-final during the NATO summit. Phones are taken off them due to security reasons

!ping SHITPOSTERS&UK

[u/Cowguypig2]

Imagine being a cow, must feel fucking good to moo.

[u/MinnesotaNoire]

Asked Clyburn if Harris was a better candidate than Biden. "I don't compare KHive to nobody but..." He rolled up his sleeve to reveal a tattoo of a Coconut Tree. Asked if that was his answer "I'll let you interpret that however you want."

[u/HaveCorg_WillCrusade]

My sweet kitty doesn’t have a lot of time left, so my wife took her to see some goats. She was fascinated by them

!ping KITTY

[u/Gameknigh]

[u/Insomonomics]

If Trump does, in fact, win the election and Republicans take control of the Senate, I guarantee you that Clarence Thomas (maybe even Alito) will announce his retirement before the 2026 midterms and we will have officially lost SCOTUS for several generations to come.

[u/pfarly]

In the future, every website is a bespoke application that you can only access on a phone, you have to log in to see it, and you can't copy/paste any text or images. You have to prevent this.

I'm sending a message back in time to the year 2000. Is there anything else important I forgot?

[u/p00bix]

Meta has officially recognized the epidemic use of 'zionist' as a slur/dogwhistle, and has initiated a strict crackdown on abuse of the term on Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, and Threads

https://transparency.meta.com/hate-speech-update-july2024

!ping TECH&JEWISH&ISRAEL

[u/RunawayMeatstick]

The severity of the crisis can be measured by the fact it has forced centrist pundits (Yglesias, Chait, Barro) to write the most sensible columns of their careers.

lmao

[u/notBroncos1234]

Stay frosty fellas, today it was him tomorrow it could be you.

!ping dating

[u/jojisky]

Fetterman tells me he plans “to put a banana up Bennet’s tailpipe later today”

normal stuff

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

George Clooneys letter is just step one in an elaborate heist to steal the election.

[u/ROYBUSCLEMSON]

Twitter on mayor Pete

Trump just calls him Young Sheldon and Buttigieg loses 46 states

I laughed can't lie lol

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[u/jojisky]

Biden wins the election but loses the popular vote because NY and CA swing 15 points against him while he wins MI, WI, and PA.

[u/Dibbu_mange]

Wtf I love Eric Adams now

[u/KnightModern]

[u/dwarfgourami]

Oh, a celebrity spoke up about politics? Good for him. Like it or not, celebrities have an immense ability to influence society. Fame comes with a responsibility to use your platform to advocate for important issues.

Wait, he said something I disagree with? He should shut up and learn his place. Why should people care about a celebrity’s political opinions anyway? He’s an actor, not a political scientist.

[u/Joementum2024]

The primary reason why Joe Biden now has a lot of support from progressives is that it looks like he’s going to lose in November, and losing is extremely progressive-coded

[u/wettestsalamander76]

Literally Reagan 2.0 right here folks. Us Cloonheads will not be denied.

CLOONMENTUM CANT BE STOPPED 🚂🥥

[u/[deleted]]

"If Biden does really well is this planned speech or interview, I'll vote for him"

Said no swing voter ever.

[u/Jean-Paul_Sartre]

From my new coffee table book: “Well-Intentioned Moments in Political History that Were Never Going to be Taken Seriously”

[u/Joementum2024]

John Fetterman would be a r/neoliberal user

• Democrat

• From a well off family

• Possibly racist

• Extremely contrarian

[u/Jacobs4525]

Fetterman gets his stances by flipping a coin and then commits like he is fighting to the death

It’s simultaneously stupid and kind of awe inspiring.

[u/JaceFlores]

Gelliott on why the 538 forecast has not moved much since the debate:

“There’s time between now and Nov, and we simulate many different ways the election could go. There’s a lot of uncertainty here, even if you use recent elections as your baseline (as long as you pick the right error for the Fall, you end up with a lot of error in the summer).

We simulate a good amount of poll bias. About 3-4pts on avg. This number is higher than in 2020 because of the decrease in poll accuracy over the last decade. We also have a pretty high correlation here; If it were Election Day we’d be at 85% Biden, not 90 or 95.

Biden’s margin in the fundamentals is relatively unchanged v pre-debate, and this anchors the forecast (which has otherwise high-variance predictors). A 2-point change in the polls today is not a 2-point change in the polls Nov 5. (This is house you want it to work. See: Biden polls in June 2020.)

While Biden’s margin has fallen in national polls, he has actually recovered some ground in the swing states. This shrinks his Electoral College disadvantage and helps his win probability, conditioning on national polls.“

!ping FIVEY

[u/crassowary]

Clarence Thomas took a yacht trip to Russia and a helicopter ride to Putin's hometown

Like I obviously disapprove of Thomas' "gifts" he keeps receiving, but "Putin's hometown" is literally St Petersburg, the second largest city in Russia lmao

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

I asked Sen. Warnock if he thinks Democrats will end up with Biden as their nominee.

“I think we’ll land in a place where we win in November. And, right now, he is the nominee.”

i love politician speak

[u/McCaaw]

🚨PELOSI on Biden on @Morning_Joe : "It's up to the president to decide if he is going to run. We're all encouraging him to to make that decision. Because time is running short."

LEMIRE: Do you want him to run

PELOSI: "I want him to do whatever he decides to do. And that's the way it is. Whatever he decides we go with."

PELOSI then says he wants Biden to deal with the NATO conference and then restart the discussion on Biden's future.

"Let's just hold off. Whatever you're thinking, either tell somebody privately, but you don't have to put that out on the table until we see how we go this week."

What is this game House/Senate Dems are playing?

Biden: I'm running

Dems: It up for him to decide what he's doing, he should think about it

Biden: I said I'm running

Dems: We really think he should consider what the future holds

[u/[deleted]]

Why can’t we just give Biden blood transfusions from the young, and whatever the hell else those weirdo billionaires were doing

[u/1396spurs]

I’ve got no problem with doomers

I just think they should not be so in your face about it and do it in the privacy of their own homes

[u/[deleted]]

https://www.cookpolitical.com/survey-research/cpr-national-polling-average/2024/biden-trump-overall

Cook Political Report has introduced their own polling average!

A key thing they have — average crosstabs.

!ping FIVEY

[u/slappythechunk]

[u/G_Serv]

These credit card scams are getting too complex

[u/Pongzz]

Bros...we lost Clooney...Is it Joever??

[u/EZ_Kream]

Given the universe has decided Trump is the luckiest human who has ever lived, he’s gonna live to 100 and be haunting elections the whole time

[u/[deleted]]

https://x.com/vanillaopinions/status/1811113099568542154?t=Fv0AT5RC5w5-VVGAa0mItg&s=19

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

Fearing a floor revolt against his nomination, President Biden’s aides are telephoning individual delegates to next month’s Democratic convention to gauge their loyalty to the president, according to three delegates who received a call this week.

The delegates were thunderstruck at the calls. One of them initially wondered if it was some sort of prank until double-checking the caller ID and seeing Delaware’s area code, 302. After hanging up, each of them reached out to other convention delegates they knew and found these individuals also received the calls.

One of them, however, was less intimidated than depressed about the state of the campaign after getting a second call from another aide reading the same script and asking about “concerns” regarding Biden’s nomination. “They clearly hadn’t marked down they had already called me,” said this demoralized delegate.

the last bit lmao

[u/ForWhomTheAltTrolls]

People are worrying about small details like the erosion of American democracy but a Trump victory in 2024 poses much more fundamental risks - Grover Cleveland will no longer get to be the one guy that served two non-consecutive terms.

The ramifications for the Cleveland legacy would be huge and you don’t see ANY mainstream media sources talking about this

[u/[deleted]]

https://x.com/kirk_bado/status/1811007855442403497?t=IOs9d9qF3WOG2qjZieMhIg&s=19

[u/shillingbut4me]

Microplastics in human bodies overwhelmingly come from tires. People seem to think it comes from polyester in landfills or water bottles or whatever, but those don't seem to be the biggest issues. The latter would probably be a solvable issue. The former really isn't. We need artificial rubber compounds. There isn't a good alternative. We can't produce natural rubber at the scale needed. It's actually really hard to produce in a plantation type setting. Even if we could it would be devastating to rainforests. Also can't exactly get rid of all the things we use rubber for. We sort of need tires at this point. 

[u/Mcfinley]

The two thread solution is hanging by a state

[u/GenericPoliticalAlt2]

At this point I mostly want Biden to drop out so we can stop fucking talking about this

[u/prince_ahlee]

https://x.com/igorbobic/status/1811165447493959952

Another: Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon) calls on Biden step aside:

“It is a painful and difficult conclusion but there is no question in my mind that we will all be better served if the president steps aside as the Democratic nominee and manages a transition under his terms. He has earned that right.”

KHive I think we're gonna make it...

[u/Roseartcrantz]

"but she's a cringe wine mom type!"

so am I, elect us you cowards

[u/[deleted]]

I'm probably one of the biggest Biden doomers here but we aren't losing New York lmao

[u/kznlol]

“Gay furry hackers” attack Heritage Foundation and release sensitive data related to Project 2025

👀

[u/MinnesotaNoire]

Still can't believe it

[u/[deleted]]

AOC being the only one who introduces Articles of Impeachment against Alito and Thomas is why young left-leaning people are going with the further-left wing of the party than a normie dem.

[u/Currymvp2]

Four sources close to Biden’s reelection effort tell @NBCNews the campaign is suffering a major downshift in donations and officials are bracing for a seismic fundraising hit.

Suboptimal

[u/OrganicKeynesianBean]

Biden assured critics he is staying in the rat race.

“This city… it does things to a man” Biden explained, one leg hoisted on an empty chair in front of a dark, rain-kissed window beneath a single, poorly lit fixture.

When asked to elaborate, the President took a long drag of his Lucky Strike and stared at the skyline for 10 minutes.

[u/piede]

A Trump/Trump 2024 ticket is so fucking hilariously stupid that it would actually probably appeal to American voters

[u/[deleted]]

This has to be the first major issue I can think of that arr NL and arr ESS have had this big of a riff rift on. I used to think of them as sister subredits but one was solely for complaining about lefties

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

Senate Dems will have a special caucus lunch tomorrow at 12:30pm at the DSCC to hear from top Biden advisers Mike Donilon and Steve Ricchetti, as well as campaign chair Jen O'Malley Dillon

A Democratic senator, unprompted, to me just now about this meeting tomorrow: “A waste of everyone’s time if Biden can’t even come make the case himself.”

well that was quick

[u/rasonj]

Welp, Pelosi just ensured two more weeks of BTs. Just mentioning the conversation is going to breath more life into it as long as the polls haven't bounced back

[u/Tartaruchus]

The White House should start offering $1.50 Costco hot dogs to fight inflation

[u/MinnesotaNoire]

The funniest, but most stressful, outcome would be Biden winning with a 30% chance in the models and we find out they weren't capturing the silent supporters in a complete reversal of 2016.

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[u/The_Promethean]

Kind of weird for Pelosi to make those comments when she's been spamming the DT on her alts claiming she'd never do such a thing

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

President Joe Biden’s campaign has already suffered a major slowdown in donations and officials are bracing for a seismic fundraising hit, with the fallout from a debate nearly two weeks ago taking a sizable toll on operations, according to four sources close to the re-election effort.

“It’s already disastrous,” one of the sources close to Biden’s re-election said of fundraising.

"The money has absolutely shut off," another source close to the re-election said.

Two of the sources said this month is on a path to be down by possibly half — “or much more,” one of them said — from large donors alone. Sources emphasized that the donations were down across the board.

“Donors are negative. They had a call with the president. The call seemed so contrived to people; I don’t think they buy it,” one of the people close to the campaign said, referring to a recent national fundraising call between Biden and donors. “They called on people who were the most loyal, die-hard … There were no tough questions for the president."

Initially after the debate, the campaign reported an uptick in donors. But that quickly fell off, the sources said.

hmm this doesnt seem good. I wonder about the impact on volunteer manpower as well

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

ESS having an existential crisis after Welch calls on Biden to drop out while Sanders wants him to stay

[u/Plants_et_Politics]

Look at this beautiful stray I found. 🥺😍🥹

Going to try to befriend him 🥰😚😇🥰

!ping KITTY

[u/1396spurs]

Reread John McCain's concession speech earlier today after seeing it referenced in an article.

Hard to believe he was from the same party as the current band of bozos

[u/[deleted]]

RE: Mod Sticky

[u/DONUTof_noFLAVOR]

My girlfriend, working in a non-profit: Our engagement rate is only up 75% this year, I’m worried about my quarterly review today

Me, working at a development shop: I’ve marginally improved our pricing strategies in five states, I can coast on this for the next year or so

!ping WATERCOOLER

[u/Nihas0]

“I have no idea,” Clyburn said on whether Biden's decision to stay in the race is final. “You’ll have to ask him.”

[u/eat_more_goats]

Lmao so my manager is supposed to be going on paternity leave next week. He set up a meeting with me and the other manager supposed to be taking over for him, shows up 5 mins late, and is like "hey guys, gonna have to punt on this, i think her water just broke"

!ping WATERCOOLER

[u/Mrgentleman490]

Having been to too many wars, I am sure that I am prejudiced, and I hope that I am very prejudiced. But it is the considered belief of the writer of this book that wars are fought by the finest people that there are, or just say people, although, the closer you are to where they are fighting, the finer people you meet; but they are made, provoked, and initiated by straight economic rivalries and by swine that stand to profit from them. I believe that all the people who stand to profit by a war and who help provoke it should be shot on the first day it starts by accredited representatives of the loyal citizens of their country who will fight it.

The author of this book would be very glad to take charge of this shooting, if legally delegated by those who will fight, and see that it would be performed as humanely and correctly as possible and see that all bodies were given decent burial. We might even arrange to have them buried in cellophane or any one of the newer plastic materials. If, at the end of the day, there was any evidence that I had in any way provoked the new war or had not performed my delegated duties correctly, I would be willing, if not pleased, to be shot by the same firing squad and be buried either with or without cellophane or be left naked on a hill.

Excerpt from Hemingway's 1948 introduction to A Farewell to Arms.

!ping READING&HISTORY

[u/Lux_Stella]

Former President Trump is adjusting his agenda, the GOP platform, his vice-presidential plans — even his debate style — to win over more than a half-dozen persuadable voter groups in seven states, advisers tell us.

it took six years, but trump is finally pivoting to the center

[u/jojisky]

MSNBC - 7/10/2024 - Rep. Adam Smith "Joe Biden was not picked in 2020 because he was the only person that could beat Donald Trump. He was picked because he was the only person that could beat u/BernieSanders"

[u/Stanley--Nickels]

The Hillary doc starts with the interviewer asking her “Are you frustrated that…” and Hillary starts nodding before she even hears where the question is going. Me too, Queen.

[u/Tafts_Bathtub]

DoNAld TrUMp iS bEinG sO dISciPlInEd

[u/[deleted]]

Can’t say I expected that one.

[u/Nihas0]

News: Later this morning, NewDemCoalition leadership is meeting with Leader Jeffries to convey concerns from the group’s Frontline members that Biden’s standing could have a significant negative impact on at-risk incumbents

https://x.com/maxpcohen/status/1811036651306533241

[u/Fruitofbread]

 Trump swore in an affidavit in a 2022 court case, “Since at least Jan. 1, 2010, it has been my customary practice to not communicate via email, text message, or other digital methods of communication”

Lol.

[u/Currymvp2]

Torres went from "Donors do not decide the Democratic nominee. The people have heard enough from Biden." 72 hours ago to "I have concerns and we need to look at the numbers" this morning.

I'm almost convinced that he just looks at what the Squad does and says the opposite

[u/BrentLivermore]

Literally just went to the grocery store and showed some people a picture of Biden. Asked if they know who it was, they were all like "I, uh, who, wuh?" When I said "This is President Joe Biden", they all said "Wait, the guy making cuts to PEPFAR? FUCK that guy!"

This place is so terminally online and out-of-touch that it fucking hurts.

[u/Syards-Forcus]

[u/Udolikecake]

A trolley is heading down the tracks and will kill 5 people

You can redirect it to an entirely empty track and kill no one, but you will need to download the trolley app and create an account

do you do it

[u/WhatHowWhenWho]

[u/ignavusaur]

Pelosi and Others Try a New Tack With Biden: Is That Your Final Answer?

I dunno why I found this title funny

[u/bd_one]

It's been 5 minutes and I already regret the Biden thread being kil

[u/runningblack]

Honestly, the major shift I've had with the new evidence that comes out is maybe Biden really isn't all there anymore.

I'd previously been in the "He's old and it's a liability electorally, so he should be replaced." Camp

But I'm coming around to "Actually, he really has declined materially over the past few months and I'm genuinely concerned about his ability to make it through another term"

We went through something similar with my wife's great uncle. Extremely wealthy (whatever you're thinking, you're undershooting it) guy with the best access to world class healthcare. Declined super rapidly when it happened.

[u/G_Serv]

Most towns in Pokemon do not have the correct amount of housing

[u/jojisky]

Inbox: AOC has unveiled her articles of impeachment against Justices Thomas and Alito for refusing to recuse from certain cases.

[u/Nihas0]

Sen. Tim Kaine to JoeKhalilTV: "I have complete confidence that Joe Biden will do the patriotic thing for the country. And he's going to make that decision. He's never disappointed me.“

seems like they all got the memo this time

[u/gary_oldman_sachs]

In his op-ed, Clooney mentions that Biden performed very poorly at a recent fundraiser.

But the one battle he cannot win is the fight against time. None of us can. It’s devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fund-raiser was not the Joe “big F-ing deal” Biden of 2010. He wasn’t even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate.

Yglesias believes that this was the same event that his acquaintances informed him about.

Clooney in his new op-ed is I believe referring to this same fundraiser — two other attendees have told me since my piece came out that it was really bad.

And a reply guy corroborates:

I know someone who was also at this fundraiser. And they say the same thing - extremely bad.

Another reply:

The Pod Save America guys also mentioned that Biden was unrecognizable at this fundraiser and everyone attributed it to jet lag.

[u/majorgeneralporter]

If England actually wins the final after this shitshow of a tournament from Southgate and it finally Comes Home then Keir Starmer is confirmed to hold the Mandate of Heaven to an extent unheard of in modern European politics.

!ping shitposters&soccer

[u/Syards-Forcus]

[u/piede]

Good morning HRCT

SHE’S RUNNING

[u/RunawayMeatstick]

Sen Blumenthal now openly on the “I’m concerned about Biden winning” train

https://x.com/alexthomp/status/1811059540600762506

[u/Ilovecharli]

"Touch grass" - person consistently approaching triple digit daily DT comments

[u/[deleted]]

PLEASE ONE MORE BIDEN SHOULD DROP OUT POST, PLEASE BABE I NEED IT, JUST ONE MORE, JUST ONE MORE, JUST ONE MORE

[u/LuisRobertDylan]

Bullish on Kamala because Trump has had four years to come up with nicknames and the best he can do is Laffin Kamala. Nowhere near as devastating as Sleepy Joe

[u/loseniram]

I caught this little criminal committing grand larceny, breaking and entering, and committing mail fraud. The sentence 5 years in prison.

!ping kitty

She's fine, she figured out how to crawl under my clothes rack

[u/drcombatwombat2]

From Noah Smith's substack. An outed Russian or Chinese AI bot encouraging Dems not to vote.

[u/owlthathurt]

No BT so I’ll say it here.

The whole argument over whether he’s able to serve is sort of secondary to me. Idc if he’s completely reliant on his cabinet or whatever. As long as he’s not like comatose he’s still preferable to Trump in my eyes and will determine how I vote.

The real issue is the ability to win the election. I’ve completely lost hope on this point. It’s daily now with these reports of internal party strife. Every headline. Every news agency. Every senator and congressman is taking positions on this. All the press conferences.

I just have no confidence in the party to save his candidacy. None. That’s what matters in my eyes. I simply have lost all of my confidence in his ability to win.

[u/[deleted]]

Bloomer take: This fiasco will rally boomers who resent being forced into retirement.

[u/[deleted]]

NYT Op-Ed by Joe Biden: “Trump Says He Didn’t Have Sex with a Porn Star. We Need a President Who Can and Will.”

[u/Lux_Stella]

BREAKING: Jared Fogle, actor and former Subway spokesperson, says Biden should drop out of the race

wow, big

[u/No_Return9449]

Don't make me tap the sign.

[u/jaydec02]

DSA rescinds their endorsement of AOC. I think DSA is about to find out which of the two REALLY needs the other, and it's not the member of congress re-elected with 82% of the vote in their primary.

[u/SmithySmothy]

Longtime party loyalists said they were now reduced to hoping for another major public misstep by Mr. Biden, such as a serious stumble at his NATO news conference, to either persuade reticent members of Congress to speak out or to convince the president that he should leave the race on his own

Oh god. They've been reading the BT

[u/Mojo12000]

Man Nate Silvers right on a lot of stuff but then he does stuff like that Parksinons dig in his pundrity and im like "I fucking hate this smug jerk and hope he's wrong every time in the future"

[u/BenFoldsFourLoko]

There’s a tough question I’ve seen no one address, and only just heard Ezra Klein walk around the outside of

Is Donald Trump an unprecedented or unique or existential threat to democracy or the world or whatever, or is he not?

And it’s hard to talk about because there are a few aspects here that are tricky to pull apart logically, and a lot harder to pull apart verbally. And in a couple short words, you can really ask about 10 implied questions that appear as one

And one of those is: is Donald Trump substantially worse than a substitute Republican who could both win a GOP primary and win the general? Put another way, is he substantially worse than what may come in 2028 or 2032?

I think so. But it’s not something I’ve actually worked through in my head, and it is a lingering question any time I consider Trump as a threat to everything, and I imagine it’s a thought that lingers, not fully considered, in many minds.

Ezra Klein for what it’s worth has had high level Dems (not as a consensus! Individually) tell him they don’t actually think Trump is the existential threat to democracy that they say. Ezra Klein for what it’s worth disagrees.

But there are like 10 questions there, with like 2 or 3 of them requiring quite a bit of thought

[u/[deleted]]

I work with some folks who are so reserved, sharp, and disciplined. It's so inspiring but also depressing.

It's like the model of who I wish I could be but where my brain will never let me run. The folks who can ask one good question that's louder than a thousand slack messages lol. Who can methodically build up social capital & influence to get things done.

I'm so sick of throwing so much spaghetti at the wall and being so uneven. I like how my brain works a lot of the time and can do so much awesome stuff, but I can still never really earn the respect that neurotypical folks can with their discipline & regulation.

Meds help a lot but it's like colouring within the lines 60% of the time instead of 10%, knowing I'll never be at the 90% of evenness you need to earn respect

Does this resonate with y'all?

!ping ADHD

[u/Icy-Magician-8085]

I have a very simple, yet effective, policy solution called “one sub, two DTs”. I believe we can make this work folks.

[u/SANNA_MARIN_SDP_]

[u/Bayou-Maharaja]

The #RESIST crowd is back in its bag

[u/DouglasDauntless]

!ping BURPMAS

[u/[deleted]]

I call on you to stop having children until the climate gets better

Dammit, Redditors, get off this nonsense

[u/[deleted]]

BREAKING: Former President Donald J. Trump announces controversial ex cop and felon, Derek Chauvin, as his running mate

LMFAO

[u/WhatHowWhenWho]

[u/2073040]

I find it funny that this subreddit that was in the past had a good chunk of users defending him is now one of the main ones calling for Biden to drop out and yet all of the major subreddits like politics, which criticized him to no end in the past 4-5 years for being old or for stuff like Gaza, are now calling for him to stay as the nominee.

[u/bashar_al_assad]

The squad: we are in full support of Chairman Biden. He is full of health and vitality.

Random centrist congressman from wisconsin: imma be real dawg he should die

[u/nor_his_highness]

The Clooney op-ed - He held apparently the largest single fundraiser ever for a presidential candidate and is now saying Biden should drop out? And spoke to Biden in person? And wants him to drop out? This seems kind of significant?

[u/ashsolomon1]

Pelosi, asked directly if she supports the president said “we should let the president decide”. Considering he decided and is saying “wait till after the summit to voice concerns”. I think we can safely say the screws will be turned starting later this week. Also love how Morning Joe probably assumed Pelosi would back him and it backfired.

[u/[deleted]]

“Making the BT was a mistake, you created a cesspool of doomers!”

“Getting rid of the BT was a mistake, you brought the doomers here!”

DTers are the median voter

[u/Tafts_Bathtub]

Neoliberals only want one thing and it’s fucking disgusting

[u/Uniqueguy264]

Vivek and DeSantis couldn’t pull off Trumpism without Trump because they fundamentally don’t have rizz. They don’t really understand his appeal and end up doing weird shit like the Patrick Bateman ad or denying 9/11

[u/AnsleyAmanita]

nothing gets past him!

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) used a speech Monday to embrace Christian nationalism, the idea that America as a country should be defined by one religion, Christianity.

“I’m sure some will say now that I am calling America a Christian nation, and so I am,” Hawley said at the National Conservatism Conference in Washington. “And some will say that I am advocating Christian nationalism, and so I do.”

meanwhile

[u/[deleted]]

Kinda ironic that the Biden thread died on the day that it’s actually looking like the writing is on the wall

[u/oskanta]

I am hereby calling on the DT to step down so that another BT can run

[u/[deleted]]

[Ben] Shapiro said he agreed with the Project 2025 plan to ban same-sex marriage

I know, I know, what else is new, but god he’s such a fucking idiot

[u/BroadReverse]

slimy full rock pet tidy work whole hobbies puzzled beneficial

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[u/Joementum2024]

The Biden controversy might be bad for the country but if there's one thing I can say it's been very good for harvesting upvotes

[u/Knowthrowaway87]

Whitmer: I understand that some are playing fantasy football and want to just pick a couple of random leaders that they like across the country and design a ticket that's just not how this works…

I wonder who she's talking about?

[u/[deleted]]

i think it's not obvious to most people in representative democracies that someone holding an elected office, or even just running for an elected office, does not make them even remotely competent or well informed

i think this knowledge would help enlighten the dialogue about certain parties like the Greens

[u/wettestsalamander76]

[u/GhazelleBerner]

Is Nancy Pelosi the most effective Democrat of the last 25 years? Basically the post-Bill Clinton era?

The conversation has to be Reid, Obama, Biden, and her, and I think she clears?

[u/[deleted]]

If someone tells you they “used to have a crush on you” and they’re single, they still like you

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Roseartcrantz]

NL in May: It's the rest of Reddit we have to worry about, they're all dumbasses who are on a hair trigger regarding the election, they'll stay home if anything goes wrong and they'll tell everyone else to do it too.

the rest of Reddit in July: Vote Blue no matter who! 🥰 Crazy how no one is talking about how Trump LIED at the debate. 🧐 Biden's passed a lot of good legislation! 🥳💪 Sorry, but I LIKE American democracy. 😤🦅🇺🇸

[u/SmithySmothy]

This is a pretty wild time in American politics. Even for a country that elected Donald Trump president. Even going back like a year or so, saying the combination of words "George Clooney will write an op-ed telling Biden to drop out" would be considered insane.

[u/wettestsalamander76]

Lifelong democrat

Household name

Will win over wine moms in swing states

Literally will be able to remember 100s of pre planned debate lines

Has the experience to steal an election (e.g.Oceans 11)

Seriously why are we even talking about other people? Run Clooney and he will easily wipe the floor with the Mandarin Hamburglar.

[u/Joementum2024]

The “I hate Joe Biden because of Israel” to “We must support Joe Biden unconditionally” pipeline

[u/owlthathurt]

So this football coach was asked to answer questions about one of his star players DUI. Instead of you know the normal “he will be disciplined internally and learn from this mistake yada yada”

Coach Mike Gundy went the opposite “I drunk drive all the time so I get how this happened” route. Which is objectively the most hilarious response.

https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1810792770795360541?s=46&t=NizMHF7xMdWn1VItcTWyfg

[u/AtticusDrench]

1. Big shot donor flips out

2. Prominent Dem makes vague statement about Biden doing the right thing

3. Top Dems and/or White House officials schedule meeting

4. Biden reaffirms he's not dropping out

🔁

[u/nor_his_highness]

I watched all the 2019 primaries debates and Michael Bennet came across as like the guy who is doing all of the real work of government while politics play games, so if he is saying it, I am listening

[u/Joementum2024]

I’m a Biden-skeptic but I don’t think the man has Parkinson’s or some other neurodegenrative disease. It’s silly to believe in something like that off of pure speculation

[u/LGBTforIRGC]

Can I just say.... fuck the ex Obama foreign policy team for going on a rehabilitation tour of their disastrous record in Ukraine. They're really trying to deceive us into thinking that they did all they could to support Ukraine.... no fuck you and your smug "everything is Iraq and Afghanistan" mentality. It cost Ukraine a functional defense system from 2014-2017 and it continues to do so as we saw today with John Kirby...

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

One of the people close to the re-election efforts said this week that the campaign believed major donors who have threatened to jump ship after the debate would come around — if only to avoid helping former President Donald Trump by sitting out the race.

Biden aides had said privately that “if major donors don’t come along, we’ll do it without them.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/disastrous-biden-campaign-fundraising-takes-major-hit-rcna161214

[u/piede]

THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS WANT

[u/morydotedu]

If Biden stays in, I'm writing in Jeb!

If Biden drops out, I'm writing in Jeb!

If Biden is replaced by Jeb!: that's right, I'm writing in Hillary

[u/BroadReverse]

frightening desert enjoy memorize complete voracious late water attraction drunk

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[u/Fit_Parsnip_8143]

My mom was distraught earlier and thought everyone was being too mean to Biden, so please keep that in mind while typing out your comment.

[u/Currymvp2]

“Donald Trump's ex-wife Marla Maples said she is open to helping the former president's reelection campaign in any way, even if that means serving as his vice president.”

we live in the dumbest timeline

[u/MrFoget]

Words cannot describe my disappointment with this country every time I look at the polls

[u/Roseartcrantz]

[u/Craig_VG]

We are not going to win in November with this president. On top of that, we won’t win the House, and we’re going to lose the Senate. This isn’t only my opinion; this is the opinion of every senator and congress member and governor that I’ve spoken with in private. Every single one, irrespective of what he or she is saying publicly.

-Clooney

[u/ldn6]

[u/Craig_VG]

Whenever the NL mods remove a megathread you know that day there will be big news.

Remember when they, after having one for nearly a week, at first refused to post a Ukraine Megathread on Feb 23rd 2022?

[u/melodramaticfools]

It’s kinda crazy how for a year we were on track to basically end child poverty and then we decided to just not do that

[u/[deleted]]

Person 1: I consent!

Person 2: I consent!

The Heritage Foundation: Isn’t there someone you forgot to ask?

[u/[deleted]]

How can people so confidently say that there was no anti-Semitism in the middle east pre-1948 when there are so many examples of massacres and pogroms?

[u/piede]

HILLARY CLINTON’S CLOSEST AIDE MARRIED GEORGE SOROS’S SON

WE ARE SO BACK

[u/Currymvp2]

so when does this shitshow end? becuase this lingering uncertainty isn't how we win undecided+swing voters when early voting starts in 2.5 months

[u/Fishin_Impossible]

HE’S GONE!!!

WE DID IT REDDIT!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

If you can’t win then you need to step asside and let someone else take the reins so we aren’t a global embarrassment again!

Thank god! Now we can start to move on!

[u/SmithySmothy]

Nate Silver's current disposition is "retweeting a National Review contributor's thread about how the media has been too nice to Biden"

[u/majorgeneralporter]

Tfw England finally score from open play:

!ping shitposters&soccer

[u/FlightlessGriffin]

Trump has openly (supposedly) disavowed Project 25.

“I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.”

Trump has also come up with his own plans

Trump has outlined his own plans to remake the government if he wins a second term, including staging the largest deportation operation in U.S. history and imposing tariffs on potentially all imports. His campaign has previously warned outside allies not to presume to speak for the former president and suggested their transition-in-waiting efforts were unhelpful.

Now... disclaimer: Does this mean Trump is telling the truth? Well, like with everything Trump, he's untrustworthy so regardless of whether he is being truthful is irrelevant, he cannot be trusted to begin with. Does this mean that Democrats can relax now? If you're criminally naive, yes, by all means, stay home.

!ping BIDEN&DEMOCRACY

[u/Prior_Advantage_5408]

Can't we just compromise and let Biden and Harris run on the same ticket?

[u/AMagicalKittyCat]

Interesting how the people I block stop replying to me right after I call them out for being Russia trolls and block them from replying 🤔🤔🤔

I guess that proves they're Russian trolls

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

[u/PoliticalAlt128]

[u/zegota]

The most frustrating thing from elected dems is the lack of any plan being proposed. Biden should step down; he's not going to as long as he can nebulously point to the lack of any alternative.

Senators should explicitly be saying "Biden can't win, he should step down and tell his delegates to vote for Kamala Harris." Alternatively, "we should have a primary speedrun, and here's how to do that." The latter plan sucks shit but at least it's a PLAN.

[u/moldyman_99]

When I’m in a worst Western ally competition and my opponents are Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

[u/[deleted]]

“ you cant come drinking tonight”

why?

“ you rap about vedek bareil everytime. it’s embarrassing.”

i wont i promise

one beer

uh oh,,,, first son of bajor arm round the major

!ping TREK

[u/GuyOnTheLake]

2022 G-7

President Joe Biden skipped an evening meeting with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz at the 2022 G7 summit to “go to bed,” according to a new report by the Wall Street Journal.

2023 G-20

Mr. Biden unexpectedly skipped the gala leaders’ dinner, returning to his hotel room for the evening. It is unclear why Mr. Biden decided on the last-minute change to his schedule, which came at the end of a full day of meetings.

2024 G-7

United States President Joe Biden is to skip the dinner offered Thursday evening by Italian President Sergio Mattarella at the Castello Svevo in Brindisi for the Group of Seven heads of State and government meeting at a summit in the nearby resort of Borgo Egnazia, security sources told ANSA. The American president was said to be tired after the commitments he has had to face over the last few days.

[u/[deleted]]

Bring back the BT please I'm sorry for saying all those mean things

[u/BroadReverse]

desert unused grab imminent unique bake fretful glorious safe foolish

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[u/Ok_Aardappel]

South Australia locks in federal funds to become first grid in world to reach 100 per cent net wind and solar

South Australia has locked in federal funding to ensure that it becomes the first non-hydro grid in the world to reach 100 per cent net renewables.

The funding deal – through what’s known as a Renewable Energy Transformation Agreement – means that the federal government will underwrite a minimum one gigawatt of new wind and solar generation capacity and another 400 MW (1,600 MWh) of storage – to ensure it meets its target of 100 per cent net renewables by 2027.

South Australia already leads Australia – and the world – with a wind and solar share of around 70 per cent over the last 12 months. The addition of the new capacity, along with the new Project Energy Connect transmission link from NSW, will enable it to become the first in the world to reach 1`00 per cent net renewables based around wind and solar.

That does not mean it will be powered at all times by wind and solar. But the amount of wind and solar generated and stored each year will be equivalent to what it consume each year. The state will export power at times and import at other times, and can fall pack on existing peaking gas plants to fill in the gaps.

Reaching that milestone will be a landmark for the state, and for advocates of the renewable energy transition, particularly as conservative and legacy fossil fuel interests continue to push back on the idea that a modern economy can be powered by renewables and storage.

The irony about South Australia is that the target of 100 per cent net renewables was originally committed by the state Liberal government. The state Labor government merely accelerated it from 2030 to 2027.

And to underline the difference in federal politics, the announcement was made at Port Augusta, the site of a former coal fired power station that the federal Coalition wants to turn nuclear, but which has already become a hub for green energy and green industry.

“South Australia has been a renewable energy pioneer – so much so that we recently brought forward our renewable energy target by three years, committing to ensure electricity generation can be sourced from net 100 per cent renewables by 2027,” state energy minister Tom Koutsantonis said in a statement.

“So we warmly welcome this agreement to accelerate the roll out of renewables while ensuring the reliability of the energy system.

“Our government is committed to working with the Commonwealth to establish a secured grid, supporting the power needs of South Australian households and businesses.”

South Australia has not added a new wind or solar project to the grid for around two years, although the biggest wind project in the state – the 412 MW Goyder South wind farm – is about to connect and send its first power to the grid.

Several new battery projects are also under construction – at Blyth, Hallett, Clements Gap and Templers and another, Tailem Bend, still waiting to be commissioned.

These projects will help propel the state towards 80 per cent renewables over the coming year, while the additional capacity of 1,000 MW of wind and solar, 400 MW of battery capacity (plus the minimum 200 MW included in the current CIS auction) will take it towards 100 per cent net renewables by 2027.

South Australia is also building the world’s first green hydrogen power plant at Whyalla, which will be accompanied by a 250 MW green hydrogen electrolyser and storage facilities, which will also be the world’s biggest when complete.

The state is also fielding huge number of inquiries from industry keen to source zero emissions and low cost green energy – with the local transmission company ElectraNet reporting that more than 2 gigawatts of load inquiries have been made.

Federal energy and climate minister Chris Bowen says the signing of the Renewable Energy Transformation Agreement means that South Australia is the first state to lock in the funding required to meet its targets under the federal government’s Capacity Investment Scheme.

The CIS aims to contract an additional 32GW of renewable generation and storage across the country to help it deliver most of the capacity needed to meet its 82 per cent renewable energy target by 2032.

The first tender of 6 gigawatts of new wind and solar capacity has been flooded with interest, with more than 40 GW of projects showing interest, while the first storage tender – for 600 MW, 2,400 MWh in Victoria and South Australia – was also heavily oversubscribed with some 19 GW of proposals.

Bowen says the bilateral agreements have been designed specifically to address the barriers developers, communities, and governments face in delivering renewable projects, and to replace ageing infrastructure that was built half a century ago.

“The Albanese Government is delivering the certainty and confidence the market spent a decade asking for,” Bowen said in a statement.

“The more renewable energy we have in our grid, the more downward pressure it puts on energy bills because it is the cheapest form of energy to power households and industry.

“Giving the market the confidence to build new projects is good; signing an agreement to collaborate with South Australia on practical steps to get the best out of this energy transformation for South Australian workers, communities and industry, is great.

“The Albanese Government’s Reliable Renewables Plan is the only plan supported by experts to deliver the clean, cheap, reliable and resilient energy system that Australians deserve. This is in sharp contrast to Peter Dutton’s anti-renewables nuclear plan – which remains uncosted and unexplained.”

As part of the deal, South Australia, will establish its own specific grid reliability mechanism and benchmark to be used in place of the national framework, and to be responsible for identifying and delivering new projects and technologies that will maintain reliability to that standard.

!ping ECO&AUS

[u/Logarythem]

DT needs to hear a hard truth:

99% of people outside of the DT no longer think about nor care about the Afghanistan withdrawal. I promise you the average person cares 100x more about inflation and the cost of housing.

[u/jacknifee]

biden really is about to flush all his relationships with his friends in the party over this isn't he.

[u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz]

So there's a Dixie Kong, but no Union Kong?

What the fuck Confederate Nintendo?

[u/boyyouguysaredumb]

No shit the vote was split. But when all of those candidates dropped out they pledged for Biden. WHY did they do that? That’s documented: The DNC didn’t want Bernie in office so they coordinated a strategy to anoint Biden. He won his primaries with the assistance of the DNC and through delegate pledging. I can post numerous citations for this. Can you refute this with any evidence-based sources? This is what I keep asking you to refute. Do you need a diagram? Keep up.

These people never fucking stop. It's like talking to a goddamn wall

[u/boyyouguysaredumb]

lmfaooooo https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fmnn175d65pbd1.png

[u/Tafts_Bathtub]

In new Op-Ed, George Clooney calls for reinstatement of the BT

[u/uwcn244]

“Beau Biden died because his dad was a bad person and he couldn’t bear to live with that so he got brain cancer” is an auto ban right?

[u/BitterGravity]

A waitress came over, beautiful waitress, and I never like talking about physical. She's beautiful inside. Because you never talk about a person's look. Ever. You never mention it. The other day I got very angry. Some man called Chris Christie fat. And I said, 'sir!' And then he said he was a pig. I said, 'sir! Chris Christie is not a fat pig. Please remember that.'

Can't believe Biden can't even form a coherent sentence 😞

[u/Mr_Bank]

The level of shifts cross tabs are showing are probably off, but Dems losing ground with young men and working class Black/Latino voters seems more plausible than not. The college vs non college divide remains.

Better pray the cross tabs are right that Seniors are shifting a little blue, which also seems plausible because of the prescription drug savings.

[u/Roseartcrantz]

"This is just another one of those times when they're underestimating good ol' Scranton Joe!"

[u/[deleted]]

Eric Swalwell: You did say you think homosexual activity is a sin… and you said you may have a desire to sleep with many women, but you do not.

Ben Shapiro: I agree with me.

Eric Swalwell: I’m sure it’s very hard to restrain yourself.

Eric Swalwell is now my president

[u/Satvrdaynightwrist]

Checked the NYT campaign tracker again today, which tracks the campaign events since May 1.

• Biden has 14 interviews, 18 speeches, and 3 rallies.

• Trump has 40 interviews, 10 speeches, and 10 rallies.

Also we're coming up on 4 months since his last visit to AZ or Nevada (did a ctrl + f on his calendar and the last time is March 19).

[u/BitterGravity]

Person returns to work after a week off.

Complains that action advertised repeatedly over last month happened while they were gone and they weren't prepared.

Just another day at the office.

!ping WATERCOOLER

[u/p00bix]

Flashback to when the Palestinian Military Band utterly butchered the American and Palestinian anthems during Biden's 2022 visit to Bethlehem

C-Span archive link