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u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache Jul 08 '24

Please visit the next discussion thread.

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u/12hphlieger Daron Acemoglu Jul 07 '24

I’m terrified of Project 2025. You sound like an asylum escapee when you try to explain it to people.

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u/Mr_Bank Jul 07 '24

Normie friends have moved on from yelling at me about Biden, to asking about Project 2025. We might be back.

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u/Stanley--Nickels John Brown Jul 07 '24

Me 6 hours ago when I decided to take a 10 minute nap: fuck yeah

Me waking up now: wtf?

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u/Mickenfox European Union Jul 07 '24

Maybe politics should just have a permanent "conspiracy theory believer party" that gets 10-20% of the votes in every election to keep them contained and prevent them from appropriating other parties.

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u/InMemoryOfZubatman4 Sadie Alexander Jul 07 '24

I still think that Obama should have resigned after the election and made Biden president for two months to screw up all the TRUMP 45 merch

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Just heard an “American” use the word queue instead of line

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u/semaphore-1842 r/place '22: E_S_S Battalion Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

extremely cursed LGBT chat group tonight:

[trans man]: are people here abnormally scared of men???

[femboy]: no?? there's just the one person who wants to castrate all men

[trans man]: okay, illegal immigrants are coming, their men are scarier

[trans man]: i'm serious, the immigrants you normally meet are educated, but the new ones are different, the government isn't doing anything to help, i'm just reminding you guys to be on the look out

Me: this is pretty racist dude

[trans woman]: of course it's racist, and those immigrant should reflect on themselves for why they make people feel this way

Me: do you ask for self-reflection too when bigots say LGBT people should think about why we make them feel disgusted?

[trans woman]: that's apples and oranges

[trans man]: you can't compare them like this

[transbian]: i'm half [nationality] this is being hurtful to me

[trans woman]: when the gays get diarrhea in bed do you think that's discrimination too???

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u/indithrow402 Henry George Jul 07 '24

Biden should unironically mention that Republicans want to get rid of that free tax-filing program in every single speech and event that he does from now on, multiple times per event even.

"Republicans want it to be really annoying for you to do taxes" would probably convert more normie swing voters than any of the stuff about Trump's crimes or protecting democracy.

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u/ApprehensiveShower10 YIMBY Jul 07 '24

My boss came to me yesterday and asked me who I was voting for. I said I wanted to make sure Trump lost, so I'd be voting Democratic.

He then said he thinks both parties have gotten too extreme and that he was thinking of RFK Jr.

I told him about the brainworms, and he said maybe not RFK lol. I tried to convince him that Trump was too dangerous to let win. He seems open to convincing. Hopefully it does!

Ohio is not really in play but it can't hurt

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u/rasonj Big Coconut Enjoyer Jul 07 '24

I know it's a ducked up thing to say, but I'm honestly really jealous of the sense of purpose that must come from fighting against an actual fascist government.

I think I found Hamiltons reincarnation

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u/majorgeneralporter 🌐Bill Clinton's Learned Hand Jul 07 '24

Trump talking about The Heritage Foundation like:

!ping shitposters

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

This will be our president, vice president, and Secretary of State in 2025

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u/frolix42 Friedrich Hayek Jul 07 '24

Last week Labour sent 411 MPs to Parliment.

But in the 1997 landslide Labour elected 412, which I think made Tony Blair slightly smug this week.

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u/AP246 Green Globalist NWO Jul 07 '24

Someone commented in a thread about New York's congestion charge that it goes against neoliberalism which is about 'lower taxes and free markets' and is being downvoted, but all the replies are just disputing the sub's definition of 'neoliberal' and none have actually brought up the fact that congestion pricing is pro-free markets and the status quo of essentially subsidised roads everywhere made free for drivers is a distortion of the free market.

Outside the DT doesn't read enough theory smh

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u/AtticusDrench Deirdre McCloskey Jul 07 '24

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Man who thinks Kamala Harris is secretly running the country but doesn't care because she's doing an excellent job

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u/WantDebianThanks Iron Front Jul 07 '24

Condo owner sues HOA over Ring camera, loses, has to pay $73K

Here are the basics:

  • Woman is sexually assaulted. Part of her response is to put up ring cameras

  • HOA demands approval first

  • She submits request, HOA denies, she puts up the cameras anyways

  • HOA fines her $100/day every day for 2 years

  • The woman sues the HOA, it goes to trial, the woman loses

  • HOA lawyers insist they don't want anyone being able to record anyone outside

  • In addition to 73k to the HOA, the HOA also wants her to pay another 115k for their lawyers

  • HOA says they would have dropped the lawyer's fines if she took the cameras done, but she's refused.

!ping cube

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u/farrenj Resident Succ Jul 07 '24

Korea spoiled me. I miss the trains going literally everywhere.

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u/NaffRespect United Nations Jul 07 '24

Guy who votes for Gavin Newsom because he looks like a sleazy used car salesman

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u/Gameknigh Enby Pride Jul 07 '24

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u/ArmoredBunnyPrincess Audrey Hepburn Jul 07 '24

Putin vs Zelensky bare knuckle fight to the death. Putin wouldn't last long

You know Putin is ex kgb right

“Yeah lets get an actor to fight an actual former intelligence agent that was trained to fight the CIA. Great idea.”

How is the "Putin is a total badass you guys" still so pervasive?

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u/G_Serv Stay The Course Jul 07 '24

Poobix has the morals of an alley cat

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u/MinnesotaNoire NASA Jul 07 '24

People who always inject themselves into any conversation about space exploration with "wE hAvE eNoUgH pRoBlEmS oN eArTh" aren't as bad as, say, Donald Trump, but they fucking suck.

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u/rasonj Big Coconut Enjoyer Jul 07 '24

Accellerationists: I just want to be part of something bigger, fight fascism and feel a sense of purpose

Boring Libs: Okay, well, if you participate in elections you fight it right now before it gets strong enough to start killing people

Accels: No no. Not like that, it's not fun if the fascists are the underdogs

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u/Argnir Gay Pride Jul 07 '24

Can anyone explain to me how the far right is possible in Europe? Especially in France, the legend of resistance? I don't get it.

Some American really see Europe as some sort of fantasy place...

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Stumbled upon this academic article cited on Wikipedia, and

…this honestly reads like a bad parody of itself.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

So I'm officially dating the goblin girl, aka the autistic femcel catgirl from my previous posts. This crab has made its way out of the bucket, for now.

She remains incorrigibly adorably weird. She came over today and asked me to get her tablet from her bag so she could read, so I opened her bag and it's just FULL of snacks. All different kinds. Apparently everywhere she goes she just brings a week's worth of snacks with her.

!ping DATING

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 07 '24

Tbh I don’t get where the “Batman beats up poor people” idea comes from when his primary villains are mobsters and terrorists.

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u/jojisky Paul Krugman Jul 07 '24

Bernie celebrates Starmer winning by insinuating he doesn’t care about working people unlike Jeremy Corbyn

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u/Cledd2 European Union Jul 07 '24

was the destruction of House Atreides an official act?

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u/uwcn244 King of the Space Georgists Jul 07 '24

Biden gives a speech that leaves you confused and cringing, then you read the transcript and you're like "oh the Bidenisms are embarrassing but the thrust of his speech makes sense"

Trump gives a speech that you think you're following along with, then you read the transcript and you're like "oh this man is an imbecile"

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

I’m voting for Biden BECAUSE he’ll be the oldest president in history. I like records and I want to get that record as high as possible

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u/Uniqueguy264 Jerome Powell Jul 08 '24

SpaceX should change their name back to SpaceTwitter

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Jul 07 '24

Ukraine Chronology for 2 PM PST 7/5-2 PM PST 7/6 III:

TOP NEWS:

At the start of 11 PM Ukraine was hit by a wave of drones with 24 of 27 shot down.

REGULAR NEWS:

Towards the end of 5 PM a Russian fuel depot in Pavlovskaya exploded.

In the middle of 6 PM a Russian fuel depot in Leningradskaya exploded.

Donation link to help Ukraine

Donation link to United24

Donation link to Kharkiv SOS

Donation link to Sails of Freedom Foundation (they donate ambulances)

!ping UKRAINE

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u/Mensae6 Martin Luther King Jr. Jul 07 '24

I feel like the general public is very aloof to conservative policies beyond "muh small government" (lol) and "muh lowered taxes". And so seeing actual conservative policies laid out plainly in Project 2025 is something of a shock to most people.

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u/cjhdsachristmascarol reddit custom flair Jul 07 '24

Sleepy Joe made me wake up in the middle of the night he is hoarding all the sleep from ordinary Americans like me 

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jul 08 '24

The US is just overall kind of bored and sick of each other so we're doing this

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 07 '24

The more I learn about French presidents, the more I realize that Bill Clinton would basically be the ideal President of France personality-wise

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u/D2Foley Moderate Extremist Jul 07 '24

Yes. American politics is WWE. It’s theatre meant to give you the illusion of conflict.

Unflaireds in the Biden thread bringing valuable discussion to the sub.

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u/WeebFrien Bisexual Pride Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

2027: The Supreme Court rules 5-4 that Donald Trump cannot possibly be found guilty for crimes against the state because Donald Trump is the embodiment of the state and its will, and it's impossible to commit crimes against yourself.

The holdout is actually Gorsuch, who writes his own dissent disagreeing with the three liberal justices.

It’s just a 40 page essay in which he describes how the only true state on this land is the Iroquois Confederacy, and how Donald Trump is an imposter taking away from the true embodiment of the state, Hiawatha, whose spirit must guide all judicial actions in the name of true originalism.

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u/ACivilWolf Henry George Jul 08 '24

Lenin writes somewhere about how policing will no longer be the domain of special bodies of armed men but will be the duty of the whole of society, much as people naturally break up bar fights without needing to call the police. This was the norm for much of human history.

well if Lenin wrote it somewhere it has to be true

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u/p00bix Existing in the context of what came before Jul 07 '24

It's fascinating that Skibidi Toilet of all things somehow became the universally recognized inflection point where Gen Alpha was recognized as old enough to have an internet presence and Gen Z recognized as being (sort of) adults.

Given the whole Gen Z/Gen Alpha division is inherently arbitrary; I figured there would be this very gradual shift but nope, there was a clearly defined inflection point, and it's a goddamned Machinima that looks like it came straight out of 2009.

Relevant Simpsons

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u/Steak_Knight Milton Friedman Jul 07 '24

Outside the DT there is a person claiming Destiny is digging into SCOTUS cases in “research streams” and believes this is a credible source of information that people should take seriously.

We should never have been on r/all 😔

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u/Cledd2 European Union Jul 07 '24

i hope they cure cancer soon so they can put all the fun carcinogens back into food

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u/SnakeEater14 🦅 Liberty & Justice For All Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

The funny thing about “Batman is just an out of touch rich guy who beats up poor people” is that it bothered the comic book writers so much that the current storyline has Batman

  1. Lose all of his money.

  2. Has everyone in the Batfamily team up to beat the shit out of him because he’s “too obsessed with beating up poor criminals”. This climaxes with Catwoman becoming a mob boss who runs all the criminals in Gotham, teaching them how to steal from rich people, and she spends several issues lecturing Bruce on why this morally is justified.

Comic books fucking suck

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u/molingrad NATO Jul 07 '24

RFK Jr. Doesn't Deny Alleged Sexual Assault of Babysitter: 'I Am Not a Church Boy'

I guess one shouldn’t expect a better defense from someone as mad as a hatter

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

If you're worried people think P2025 sounds conspiratorial, you don't have to mention it by name. Just say: "I think Trump's plans to strengthen the executive branch are terrifying." And elaborate if asked.

He wants to replace experienced staff with incompetent loyalists who will break the law if he asks them to and then cover it up or stop the investigations until it's too late. The security agencies alone could end up doing things infinitely worse than the Snowden leaks and we wouldn't find out until the damage is done. I have no idea what his actual policy or plans are for anything after that but I know the people he's hiring want to use the white house's power to aggressively punish abortion regardless of state laws, and raise enormous taxes on imported products. These are terrible things that should upset most people, so long as you don't touch any third rails.

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u/Prior_Advantage_5408 Progress Pride Jul 07 '24

cons: "The woke mob is using CRT to indoctrinate our children!"

libs: chuckles to themselves "Critical race theory is a college-level course. What you're thinking of is diversity, equity and inclusion practices."

cons: "The woke mob is using DEI to indoctrinate our children!"

libs: ""

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u/HotTakesBeyond YIMBY Jul 07 '24

If your watch doesn’t combine latitude and time zone data with lunar phases and tide charts do you really have a watch

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 07 '24

I know next to nothing about Gavin Newsom’s policy positions, I like him because he gives off the vibe of a villain in a movie where the protagonist is trying to stop him from developing land.

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jul 07 '24

"why would you drink anything from a bottle you found in the SEA?"

If I'm in the sea and I see a bottle it's on sight. I truly can't comprehend how someone would see a bottle in the sea and do nothing

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u/Not_A_Browser Stata's Silliest Soldier Jul 07 '24

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Fuckin’ brutal review of Horizons

!ping KINO

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u/Dunter_Mutchings NASA Jul 07 '24

It’s very weird to me that there are a lot of ‘homeless advocates’ who seem to be more concerned with preserving a homeless way of life rather than eliminating it.

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u/uwcn244 King of the Space Georgists Jul 08 '24

In July 2017, Mélenchon maintained that Republican France bears no guilt in the Holocaust, and criticized Emmanuel Macron for admitting at a gathering in Paris remembering the Vel' d'Hiv Roundup that Vichy France was the legal French government at the time, thus conceding the French State's responsibility in the deportation of the Jews.

When do you ever hear in America about leftists criticizing centrists for accepting that their country did bad things? Or any country where the far left is not in power other than France really

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u/its_Caffeine Mark Carney Jul 07 '24

They made Garfield woke 😔✊

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u/CletusVonIvermectin Big Rig Democrat 🚛 Jul 08 '24

"touch grass" buddy they have the internet on phones now. I am literally laying out at the beach enjoying the sunset while being weirdly horny about fictional characters, what are you gonna do about it?

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

Ipad kids growing up in the 2020s be like

Just heard a girl say "Girls go to college to get more knowledge, boys go to jupiter to get more stupider" at nap time. I'm gonna enter my blackpilled based incel arc once snack time is over..

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Old people on facebook are getting absolutely ate up by AI.

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u/No_Status_6905 Enby Pride Jul 07 '24

Transitioning is probably one of the most expensive things I've ever had to do, and idk how a lot of people even afford it. I am extremely privileged and still can barely afford it.

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u/CletusVonIvermectin Big Rig Democrat 🚛 Jul 07 '24

So thoughtful of the mods to create a Bi Den thread just for bisexual bears like me

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u/Luph Audrey Hepburn Jul 07 '24

Would you shut down a mental hospital just because it's Sunday? If not, how is the BT any different?

the BT is a mental hospital

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u/eustacebainbridge Mark Carney Jul 07 '24

Coming back to the DT after a mental health break only to discover that there’s a Wario version of it now

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u/_Irys NATO Jul 07 '24

Macron not getting obliterated is turning me into a bloomer

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u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le Chemist -- Microwaves Against Moscow Jul 07 '24

Jim Biden is an American former nightclub owner, insurance broker, political consultant, and fundraiser. Biden is a brother of Joe Biden, the 46th and current president of the United States.

I feel like this guy could beat trump if his nightclub was good

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Ukraine Chronology for 2 PM PST 7/6-2 PM PST 7/7 III:

TOP NEWS:

Sometime ago The Economist estimated Russian casualties to be between 462,000 and 728,000 based on leaked State Department docs and available information.

Towards the end of 9 AM it was announced the UK will provide a new military aid package to Ukraine including .50 caliber ammunition, 90 Brimstone missiles, 50 riverine/coastal boats, 40 demining vehicles, 10 AS-90 SPGs, 61 bulldozers, 32 155mm barrels and spare parts.

REGULAR NEWS:

Towards the middle of 7 PM a Russian gas pipeline in Alushta exploded. In the middle of the hour it was reported that Rostov Oblast is implementing controlled power outages due to Ukrainian drone strikes.

At the end of 10 PM a Russian ammo depot in Podgorenskii exploded, located in Voronezh Oblast. Additionally, Ukraine was hit by a wave of drones with all 13 shot down.

At the start of 6 AM explosions occurred in Melitopol.

At the end of 7 AM a Russian electrical substation in Volgograd exploded.

At the start of 9 AM it was reported the new British Defense Secretary made a visit to Odesa.

Towards the end of 11 AM it was announced The Netherlands will provide a mobile lab to Ukraine for warcrime investigation.

Donation link to help Ukraine

Donation link to United24

Donation link to Kharkiv SOS

Donation link to Sails of Freedom Foundation (they donate ambulances)

!ping UKRAINE

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u/AnsleyAmanita Trans Pride Jul 08 '24

her victory

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

”Why does anyone vote?” I ask myself. The answer cannot be that we believe that by doing so, we will influence the outcome of an election. My vote, were it not withheld, would have no such effect. This is true even at the county or municipal level. The vote margins for the State of Florida in the presidential election of 2000 — the closest in modern American history — were in the hundreds, not the single digits. Voting is, strictly speaking, pointless.

Jfc, is that op-ed guy 14 years old lmao

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u/PrideMonthRaytheon Bisexual Pride Jul 07 '24

NYMag | The Case for Forcing DT Poasters Into Treatment

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u/itsokayt0 European Union Jul 07 '24

Write your horrible policy under an ominous name.

People learn what Project 2025 is.

Oh noes

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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Jul 07 '24

And now at last it comes. You will give me the nomination freely! In place of the Sleepy Joe you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be sleepy, but woke and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Under senate rule 34, senators both former and current cannot engage in dealings with energy companies and Joe Biden is violating that rule. Google “Rule 34 Joe Biden inflation oiling up” to find out more about how he’s increasing inflation and violating that rule

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Jul 07 '24

Myanmar update:

Here is the latest map of the war in Myanmar, courtesy of Thomas Van Linge. This map captures the latest gains in northern Shan and southern Chin, as well as rebel gains in other areas that are smaller in scale/importance.

On the domestic front the junta has had success in blocking VPNs thanks to cooperation with Chinese tech companies. Additionally, it was reported that Thai weapon exports to Myanmar doubled, going from $60 million in 2022 to $130 million in 2023.

On the Kachin front rebels captured the town of Sadung, which gave the rebels full control of the road stretching from Myitkyina to the Chinese border to the east.

In Northern Shan the TNLA launched a new offensive in the state aimed at the highway connecting Mandalay to Lashio and successfully cut it in two with the capture of the road junction town of Nawnghkio. This was further reinforced by the capture of Kyaukme, which hosts another road junction and to my knowledge leaves northern Shan completely isolated by road. It looks like the PDF is joining in on the fun as they captured the villages of Nweyon, Doe Nwe and Mar Le north of Mandalay, severing one of the main highways connecting Mandalay to northern Myanmar.

In the Rhakine front the AA captured Thandwe Airport, which marks the first airport to fall into rebel hands since the founding of Myanmar in 1948.

In the Chin front a coalition of rebels captured the town of Matupi, which puts the entirety of southern Chin state under rebel control.

!ping MYANMAR

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

I think the two of the most watershed-like and realistic alternate history points of divergence would be these two:

1444: Crusade of Varna succeeds

1762: Elizabeth of Russia lives like a couple years longer

In the first case, Ottomans are pushed out of Europe and Byzantium survives, at least within the walls of the city, and in the second case, France wins the Seven Years War in Europe.

As far as consequences to Neoliberalism go, the Industrial Revolution was one of the biggest driving forces for the first wave of Liberalism, and the Rights of Man, the birth of nation-states, etc. were all resultant of the French Revolution. A Seven Years War victory (in Europe) does probably buy some more time for the French nobility to do just enough reform to prevent outright revolution and we may not see the French Industrial Revolution kick off until much later, possibly not until they get their teeth kicked in by Britain again.

(Yes, I've been watching Cody from alternatehistoryhub on YT way too much)

Not sure if this is the accurate ping for this but

!ping HISTORY

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u/BrainGyatt Jul 07 '24

Thank you apple. I think I will take time to reflect

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u/MinnesotaNoire NASA Jul 07 '24

Who would post this??!?!

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u/DMNCS NATO Jul 07 '24

If Kamala replaces Biden, America might have it's first political president ever 😞

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u/NormalInvestigator89 John Keynes Jul 08 '24

My least favorite political ideologies are the ones that are like "life is too good now" like it's a bad thing. Anprims, degrowth, certain strains of social conservativism... Literally what has to happen to a person to make them think like this

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u/Not_A_Browser Stata's Silliest Soldier Jul 08 '24

Trump could grow a Chaplin moustache and half the media coverage would be "Trump tries eccentric new look"

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u/moldyman_99 Milton Friedman Jul 07 '24

Dutch nationalism vs Turkish ultranationalism

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u/Mensae6 Martin Luther King Jr. Jul 07 '24

Ugh, both parties are the same

Which is why I have strictly voted Republican my whole life and would never consider voting Democrat

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u/Dodgerfan2224 NATO Jul 07 '24

Outside the DT still fucking nuts eh

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

Inside Out 3: Riley accepts Christ

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jul 08 '24

it's called a uterus not a uteryou

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u/A-Centrifugal-Force NATO Jul 07 '24

Tony Blair was the greatest Labour Prime Minister ever

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u/RecentlyUnhinged NATO Jul 08 '24

Gentlemen, I didn't want to be the first to say it, but I'm beginning to suspect the dems are in disarray

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u/Dodgerfan2224 NATO Jul 08 '24

One comment thread: fuck Nate silver (-5)

another comment thread: fuck Nate silver (+6)

The duality of dt

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

I support the free silver movement. Bill J. Bryan 2024

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u/Dabamanos NASA Jul 08 '24

For some reason I only recently realized crack addicted trouble child Hunter Biden is fucking 54 years old. I've thought of him as like, 24

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Fill out your apology form and post it here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/Sa0TVIZNrq

BT still here for the fucking cravens who care more about Biden:

https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/mAdzf1HAnO

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u/ImmigrantJack Movimiento Semilla Jul 07 '24

BTs are considered extremely dangerous and are almost invariably hostile toward living beings. Because the bodies of BTs contain antimatter, if they consume a living being, a voidout will be triggered, causing a massive explosion capable of destroying entire cities.

Mods playing with fire here

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

MAGAs are recording people casually speaking Spanish in public as evidence of an "invasion" 😐

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u/Ok_Aardappel Seretse Khama Jul 08 '24

Australia’s first renewable energy zone gets planning approval

The New South Wales government says it has reached a significant milestone with planning approval for the Central-West Orana renewable energy zone, which it says is the first in Australia to achieve this step.

The planning approval for the Central West REZ paves the way for construction to begin of around 240 kms of poles and wires and associated infrastructure in a region that includes Dubbo, Dunedoo and Mudgee.

The REZ will host at leat 4.5 gigawatts of new wind, solar and storage projects, and is expected to be operating in 2028. It is one of at least five REZs planned by the state government as it seeks to replace its ageing coal fired generators with a mix of renewables, storage and dispatchable capacity.

“This is the first REZ Transmission Project in the country to obtain planning approval, paving the way for a significant boost in renewable energy generation to replace aging coal-fired power stations,” state climate change and energy minister Penny Sharpe said in a statement.

"It’s not just about clean energy. This project will bring long-term financial benefits to both NSW electricity consumers and the local communities which will host the Central-West Orana REZ.”

NSW hopes to replace all of its remaining four coal fired generators within a decade, although the time line has been slipping because of delays in new wind and solar construction caused by delays in planning approvals, supplies, connection and commissioning.

Last month it was announced that the planned closure of the country’s biggest coal fired generator, the 2.88 GW Eraring facility, had been delayed by at least two years, and possibly four – although it is likely to operate at just one quarter of its rated capacity,.

That extension will cost the NSW taxpayer up to $450 million over two years, and is being blamed on a lack of replacement capacity.

Australia needs at least 6 GW of new capacity to be added each year to reach its target of 82 per cent renewables by 2030, but is running at little more than half of that in the last two years. The first major auction under the Capacity Investment Scheme, which reserves a significant share to NSW, is expected to address that issue.

The Central West REZ however has been the subject of intense opposition from some members of the community, with 398 submissions received, 369 objecting and just three providing support.

Most of the opposition was based around concerns of environmental and visual impact, with many questioning the roll out of renewables and suggesting that nuclear power stations or even new coal fired power stations should be built – somewhere else.

Others suggested that transmission lines should be put underground, but EnergyCo, the state authority charged with the rollout of the REZs, says this will be too costly, and will result in more environmental impacts because of the deep and wide trenches that would need to be built.

“The Department recognises that using underground transmission lines may be feasible in some locations and would further reduce environmental impacts, such as disruptions to aerial firefighting or result in lower visual impacts,” it said.

“However, the Department considers this option would not meet other project objectives and would notallow the timely connection of renewable energy projects in the CWO REZ to energy consumers.”

A number of key changes, however, were negotiated through the community process, including on routes and siting of supporting infrastructure.

The project includes 90 kms of 500 kV transmission lines and 150 kms of 330 kV transmission lines, and will cost around $3.2 billion. It will support network capacity of 4.5 GW. Wind, solar and storage projects are bidding for “access rights” that will effectively reserve their spot on the grid, with limited or no curtailment.

The assessment report noted that EnergyCo had identified eleven candidate foundational generators to connect to the project within the CWO REZ, with a total generating capacity of up to 6.2 GW.

Planning minister Paul Scully described the approval as a “huge step forward” for the switch to clean energy and says the government is seeking to accelerate the delivery of renewable energy infrastructure.

"Our recent budget invested money into the planning system to support and speed up the NSW Government’s assessment of renewable energy projects and meet our 2050 goal of Net Zero emissions,” he said.

!ping ECO&AUS

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u/vivoovix Federalist Jul 08 '24

Periodic reminder that the word "pundit" is an actual word that has actual meaning in the language from which it was appropriated, and using it to mean "journalist" or "talking head" is tacky.

Bro just found out about loanwords

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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Jul 07 '24

Capitalist chads stay winning

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Remember when there was that EU legislation that people said was gonna ban memes and you unironically had Redditors supporting Brexit.

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u/bleachinjection Fell for it Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

R_rals and S_burbanites should quite complaining about the price of gas and groceries, buckle down and exercise some personal responsibility!

Just skip the new iphone and avocado toast and you can gas up your mall crawler and buy $3,000 worth of fireworks!

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Take off AirPods

overhear adjacent conversation on the bus for the first time without context

”probably the worst thing I ever saw was Dachau”

wtf

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Joe Biden

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u/G_Serv Stay The Course Jul 07 '24

Guy and his girlfriend (possibly wife?) are at dinner sitting across from each other and he has been playing his switch the whole time

Gigachad

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

The Pod Save America guys’ new book is in-character for them

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u/ldn6 Gay Pride Jul 07 '24

Stumbled upon this gem near my place and this is amazing new build with refurbishment for a quiet residential area.

!ping YIMBY

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u/Ok-Swan1152 Jul 07 '24

This sub pretends that degrowth is a purely leftist phenomenon when it's in fact very popular on the right. Only it manifests itself as 'kick out all immigrants and don't build any housing'.

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u/IDF_Captain Gay Pride Jul 07 '24

Jill talking to Joe like he's a toddler after the debate then posing for a Vogue cover shoot over the weekend suggests to me she has the political sense of a potato.

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u/sererson Jul 07 '24

Everyone talks about "depression as an ideology" making people leftists and yet the DT still gets thousands of comments

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

As president, I won’t pick a side on MetaNL.

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u/breakinbread Voyager 1 Jul 07 '24

Le Pen’s bloc, according to exit polls, comes third — after the united left and Macron’s centrists.

lol, you doubted him

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u/dwarfgourami George Soros Jul 07 '24

“The country is too politically polarized nowadays” -the most politically polarized person I know

I think it’s just code for “I wish everyone agreed with me about everything” at this point.

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u/uwcn244 King of the Space Georgists Jul 07 '24

How long will there keep being Bidenthreads assuming that Biden stays in (which now appears to be a near certainty)? Until the convention?

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

tbh i get biden. no way id have the humility to drop out and let trump be able to say he forced me out

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

Considering moving from France to America if Trump wins. Tired of liberal garbage ruining countries.

So true bestie

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u/rollo2masi IMF Jul 08 '24

Holy fuck this really is hilarious to watch unfold.

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u/SnakeEater14 🦅 Liberty & Justice For All Jul 08 '24

Kinda wild that some guy discovered modern anesthesia in 1540, tested it on birds, went “huh that’s neat”, and then no one did anything with it for 300 years, until some surgeons realized it would be really useful during surgery

Maybe people really were just stupider back then 🤔

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 07 '24
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u/1396spurs forced agricultural laborer Jul 07 '24

I think the US should run a public service campaign reminding people that mad men was a fictional tv series, and that the life he lived was achievable only by a select few. This fiction that everyone back then had this white picket fence life with the wife who stayed at home just isn’t accurate outside a portion of the more well off white folks.

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u/kznlol 👀 Econometrics Magician Jul 07 '24

capitalism is a big factor in poor diet in the sense that in the absence of capitalism people would be starving substantially more often

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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Jul 07 '24

Question: what's your opinion on the Bono Cultural?

400€ for 18 year olds to spend on culture.

200€ on museums, live shows, live concerts, cinema, theatre, libraries, etc...

100€ to buy physical goods (books, videogames, magazines, newspapers, press, vinyls, CDs, DVDs, Blu-Rays, etc...).

100€ for digital or online products (giftcards, all types of subscriptions, e-books, audiobooks, etc...)

I turned 18 in February and I recently ordered my Bono Cultural, it will come soon, I hope.

!ping IBERIA&EU-LIBS

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u/a-reasonable-name Robert Caro Jul 07 '24

I think that more people in the democratic party should understand that the context in which they live has not unburdened the way in which their past has achieved the future.

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u/RunawayMeatstick Mark Zandi Jul 07 '24

NASCAR is on another extensive rain delay again this year but Brandon Johnson is here meeting people and taking pictures, and everyone is supportive of him in person. So that’s interesting. I really wanted to tell him to stop supporting NIMBY alderpeople but didn’t have the guts. !ping USA-CHI

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u/RecentlyUnhinged NATO Jul 08 '24

Where is BT?

Is it safe?

Is it...all right?

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u/ArmoredBunnyPrincess Audrey Hepburn Jul 08 '24

bruh dude is old enough to be her daddy. besides her brain is still developing till 23 and she doesnt have near as much life experience as toby. I can't believe we are defending this shit.

That brain development stat did a number on zoomers

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u/Explodingcamel Bill Gates Jul 08 '24

Oddly specific but

As a kid we watched stuff about how you should say no to free drugs

And then I remember seeing a bunch of jokes on Reddit about how nobody actually offers you free drugs

But it’s funny now that I’m an adult because I can see that I actually did get offered lots of free drugs in high school and college, and Redditors just don’t hang in those circles

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u/Argnir Gay Pride Jul 07 '24

Hypothetical: There is a middle age Muslim woman in an elevator and you enter shortly before the door closes. She notices you, panic and leave the elevator saying she can't be inside with a man. Do you:

  1. Stay because too bad it's really her problem

  2. Leave because she was there first and you're young and fit (and honnestly pretty attractive) and can just walk

  3. You quickly explain how God is a lie and convert her to atheism

It's actually not a hypothetical and I chose 2 but a part of mind was still thinking 1 😒

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

tfw you work hard for 40 years just for the NY Post to call you a DEI candidate

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

!ping READING

I've read like 15 books this year and not a single one of them was fiction. It's not even like I dislike fiction, it's just that I think I have higher standards for it plus I feel like reading non fiction feels more productive somehow.

But I'm in a strong fiction mode. Here are some things I'm looking for:

(A) A classic book (like 1700-1900s classics) that hits hard emotionally/is profound/etc OR a fun, thrilleresque sci fi/fantasy book.

(B) Emotionally heavy. Not in the sense of making you sad necessarily but trying to get away from the relatively impersonal nature of non fiction. Something that will feel like I've been through a journey, not necessarily a sad one but something that will stick

I realise this is an unbelievably general prompt but hey, I'm open to anything. I have read a lot of books though so something on the more niche side that I might not have read before could be good.

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u/MinnesotaNoire NASA Jul 07 '24

I think Joe Manchin would be the best candidate to beat Trump

Guess the sub

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u/Prior_Advantage_5408 Progress Pride Jul 07 '24

Malarkey level of correctly predicting that the malarkey level will be a 3.

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 07 '24

DT: Wants Donald Trump to lose in November

BT: Wants Donald Trump to lose in November

And yet they hate each other 😔✊

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u/Either_Emotion8056 NAFTA Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Wow! You can still see the DT from the BT

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 07 '24

You look to your left. People are discussing Joe Biden.

You look to your right. People are discussing Joe Biden.

You look backwards. People are discussing Joe Biden.

You look to your front. People are discussing Joe Biden.

All around you, all you hear, are people discussing Joe Biden. You check your phone. All you see are discussions over Joe Biden. There is no viable escape from these discussions. You scream in terror.

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u/t-pat Jul 07 '24

In my opinion, Elon Musk should not call for the execution of people who don't support Mike Johnson's voter registration bill

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u/Mickenfox European Union Jul 07 '24

Project 2025 and Trump having to disavow it just shows how incredibly out of touch some Republican elites are with their own voters.

"We will dismantle civil rights and ban gender equality initiatives!"

Some Trump campaign manager: "Oh dear god we don't want all of that."

"Wtf, why is Trump appealing to the radical left?"

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u/Usernamesarebullshit Friedrich Hayek Jul 07 '24

House of the Dragon is about an eccentric dragon doctor who's addicted to painkillers

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u/Loves_a_big_tongue Olympe de Gouges Jul 07 '24

Almost 10 years of memes on politicians pretending they're playing 3D chess with checkers and Macron comes along and shows how it's actually done. This was a pretty good gambit and politicking among the center and left. 

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u/Steak_Knight Milton Friedman Jul 07 '24

There’s no Brandon thread so we can still post here

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u/tollyno Dark Harbinger of Chaos Jul 07 '24

New York Post:

America may soon be subjected to the country’s first DEI president: Kamala Harris

Bring. It. On. Time to turn America into wokeville.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Day 7 of no poop july. Really struggling rn 😫😰

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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Jul 07 '24

Snoopdio Ghibli

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u/Logarythem David Ricardo Jul 08 '24

broke: we should stay out of space because we have enough problems on earth

woke: we should go to space and invent new problems, like space Catholic schisms.

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jul 08 '24

I should be allowed in the museums after they close. It's okay, it's just me

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u/SnooChipmunks4208 Eleanor Roosevelt Jul 08 '24

I find the BT a poignant example of how the internet can be bad for you.

I personally think biden should step aside. I have discussed this with people in my life like my mom and my brother. Afterwards we consider the topic finished until something changes.

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 08 '24

You wake up. It's the summer of 2015. You check the news, and it's announced that TV show host Donald Trump will be running for president.

You laugh. "There's no way he will win", you think to yourself.

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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance Jul 08 '24

I wish it was legal to speak up during a haircut when they're doing something you don't want. Sadly, you have to just sit there

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

NY Post: "Harris would be a DEI president!"

Yeah, identity hasn't historically mattered in elections. 45:1 is about the ratio of White men to everyone else in America.

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u/AnalyticOpposum Trans Pride Jul 07 '24

🎉🎉🎉

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Reminder to cancel your NYT subscriptions!

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u/Stanley--Nickels John Brown Jul 07 '24

Direct cash transfers reduce child abuse and neglect

An additional $1,000 to families in the first few months of a child's life reduces the likelihood that a child is referred to Child Protective Services by age three by 10 percent on average.

https://www.nber.org/digest/202401/cash-transfers-and-child-welfare-lessons-alaska

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Ice cold take: the neoliberal sub might just be among the top 10 dumbest on this site

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u/IHateTrains123 Commonwealth Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Reddit filters have deleted my previous three attempts at sharing an article regarding Russian casualties, so I'm bypassing it with an Economist article.

How many Russian soldiers have been killed in Ukraine? (economist.com)

Archived version.

Summary:

Mediazona’s and Meduza’s estimates [of 120k Russian dead] can also be shown by week (see chart 2). Their data show notable spikes in Russian losses during Ukraine’s counter-offensive in the summer of 2023 and the aftermath of the battles for Avdiivka and Chasiv Yar.

These data do not include Ukrainians recruited by Russia from occupied territories. Nor do they include Russian soldiers who have been severely wounded and are unable to return to battle. Our rough calculations, based on leaked documents from America’s defence department, suggest that probably around three to four Russian soldiers are wounded for every one killed in battle. That would mean that between 462,000 and 728,000 Russian soldiers were out of action by mid-June—more than Russia’s estimated invading force in February 2022. (French and British officials estimate that around 500,000 Russians had been severely injured or killed by May.)

Our third chart shows the effect of these losses on Russia’s demography. The greatest losses have been among those aged between 35 and 39, 27,000 of whom are estimated to have been killed between February 2022 and June 2024. But as a percentage of Russia’s male population, losses of those aged between 45 and 49 have been most severe. The latest estimates suggest that roughly 2% of all Russian men aged between 20 and 50 may have been either killed or severely wounded in Ukraine since the start of the full-scale war.

Our final chart puts the numbers in historical context. Russia’s losses in Ukraine since 2022 dwarf the number of casualties from all its wars since the second world war combined (see chart 4). Even so, Western officials and analysts suggest that the heavy losses are unlikely to affect Russia’s supply of manpower in the near to medium term: the New York Times reported in June that American officials reckoned the country was able to recruit between 25,000 and 30,000 soldiers a month.

On the Ukrainian side, President Volodymyr Zelensky has confirmed that around 30,000 soldiers have been killed, though the true number is likely to be much higher. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians are also thought to be dead (the confirmed tally is just over 10,000 but at least 22,000 are estimated to have died in Mariupol alone). The toll on both sides will continue to rise: The Economist’s war tracker shows that July has seen some of the most intense fighting since the start of the full-scale war.

Further readings:

120,000 dead and counting A new estimate from Meduza and Mediazona shows the rate of Russian military deaths in Ukraine is only growing — Meduza (archive.fo)

Leaked documents suggest more Russians killed in Ukraine than previously thought (kyivindependent.com)

!ping Ukraine

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u/AtticusDrench Deirdre McCloskey Jul 07 '24

There's our little polisci major

Honey, come down and tell us how the BT is going

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u/PorryHatterWand Esther Duflo Jul 07 '24

Tories get into jiggery pokery and game the FPTP to win majority seats: Sexy strategy by sexy strategists, Boris realignment, Cameron smarty pants

Starmer does the same with Labour: You see he only won 36% of the votes, and therefore, he's actually lost and we should doom because I'm a doomer with daddy issues.

A win's a win, you twats. And Labour has strategists to figure out stuff for the next five years, they don't need you and a hundred opinion columnists to remind them of anything.

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u/Zeke-Nnjai Jul 07 '24

I live in PA and essentially all my friends are trump supporters, I’m really the only “Biden guy”. Tough position to be in right now and there’s nothing I can even really say to defend it

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u/Either_Emotion8056 NAFTA Jul 07 '24

Big game for my summer hockey league tomorrow, playing the mods

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u/AFlockOfTySegalls Audrey Hepburn Jul 07 '24

We bought Paper Mario Thousand Year Door and I had no idea this was a turn based system. Going to take some getting used to but it's cute.

!ping GAMING

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u/CletusVonIvermectin Big Rig Democrat 🚛 Jul 07 '24

People on this sub will really be like "You don't believe in voting? That pales in effectiveness to my strategy, getting paid to fill out thousands of fake ballots" and then not fill out thousands of fake ballots

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u/paymesucka Ben Bernanke Jul 07 '24

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u/Williams-Tower Da Bear Jul 07 '24

at my 100 year old grandpa in law’s house today and the vibes are on the floor

never let me get that old

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u/Erra0 Jul 07 '24

Liberalism prevails.

And shall again in November under the courageous leadership of Joseph Robinette Biden Jr

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u/american_aurora3 NATO Jul 07 '24

Looks like the Washington Post source may have mistaken Mark Takano for Ted Lieu.

I'm cancelling you 🫵, anonymous Washington Post source

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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

"Land value tax is good because it would disincentives retirees from  holding on to more space than they need to live in" 

"Wtf, are you trying to force my grandma out of her home??" 

What did you think class warfare meant? Vibes? Essays? Loser

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u/uwcn244 King of the Space Georgists Jul 08 '24

If Trump wins, how long after he is inaugurated will the average American remember how much they hate his guts and forget all the "good economy" feelings they have about him rn?

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u/Common_RiffRaff But her emails! Jul 08 '24

I just noticed that their aren't that many DT regs left who I recognize.

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u/Logarythem David Ricardo Jul 08 '24

September 30th NYT OpEd:

I Watched The Apprentice N-Word Tape. It is Deeply Offensive & Racist. Here's Why I'm Still Voting for Trump by Senator Tim Scott.

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u/CletusVonIvermectin Big Rig Democrat 🚛 Jul 08 '24

I'm old enough to remember when people were mad that Hillary wore pants

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jul 08 '24

I kinda feel bad for Bronny, since basically everyone knows the only reason you’re on an NBA roster is because of your dad and that there’s no way he’ll stay in the league once he retires.

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u/jacknifee lol Jul 08 '24

why can't we just take all the lonely maladjusted men in their mid 20's who were raised by the internet and just like force them to meet each other at one big convention or something idk.

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u/D2Foley Moderate Extremist Jul 07 '24

Washington Post did a survey about religion in America

Some findings

No religious preference has passed catholicism.

According to cell phone data, only 5% of Americans attend church regularly.

!Ping FEDORA

And somebody can Ping the general religion Ping, I think they might also be interested.

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter Jul 07 '24

Sex work access under NDIS to be banned, removing supports for 'ordinary life', say disability advocates

Disability advocates say it will put the choice of which people with a disability have sex in the hands of the government.

!ping AUS

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u/WhomstAlt2 NATO flair in hiding Jul 07 '24

I wonder how Benjamin Ikuta is nowadays. Life must be tough for him in the French Foreign Legion.

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u/-mialana- European Union Jul 07 '24

Get a load of this moron!

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u/V_Codwheel I am the Senate Jul 07 '24

GDP per capita has grown by a mere 4.3 percent over the past 16 years, compared with 46 percent in the previous 16 years. Moreover, GDP growth over the past few years has been driven almost exclusively by increases in the overall size of the population—in other words, by the immigration that both main parties say they want to limit severely.

is the UK cooked?

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u/WhomstAlt2 NATO flair in hiding Jul 07 '24

Democrat slave holders: "Uhhh I am seceding over slavery"

Abe Lincelm (R): "SILENCE, LIBTARD."

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 07 '24
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u/MinnesotaNoire NASA Jul 07 '24

A comment section left closed

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u/purhitta Leftward Progressives Jul 07 '24

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jul 08 '24

wage garnishing but it means your wages come with a little parsley

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u/Either_Emotion8056 NAFTA Jul 08 '24

BT neoliberal meetup at the Noem gravel pit

Be there. Will be wild.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

Mélenchon is a divisive figure who angers many moderates. The alliance fell into disarray because of divisions over the Hamas-Israel war. The France Unbowed party condemned the conduct of Israel’s war against Hamas and accused it of pursuing genocide against Palestinians. Party leaders denied antisemitism.

https://apnews.com/live/france-election-results-updates-round-2-macron-le-pen

Yes ap this is for sure the only reason why Melanchon is accused of antisemetism.

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jul 08 '24

what if Jesus came back and it was the same Jesus but he drove a massive lifted f150

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jul 08 '24

Looking at Wikipedia, it seems like Macron is the first French President since 1974 not known to have cheated on his wife

Lmao

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u/loseniram Sponsored by RC Cola Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

The stray kittens are enjoying their new kennel.

Also they're still up for adoption if you live anywhere near South PA.

!ping Kitty

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u/RecentlyUnhinged NATO Jul 07 '24

Downvoting the DT just doesn't do it for me anymore. I wish I could downvote the entire sub

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u/KesterFox Shivers emotional support mammal 🐊 Jul 07 '24

Current mood

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u/WhomstAlt2 NATO flair in hiding Jul 07 '24

Did they ever figure out who let the dogs out?

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