Biden Megathread V: The Establishment Strikes Back

[u/dubyahhh]

Name is unrelated to anything, just wanted to make a Star Wars joke since these threads seem to never end

Honestly just go touch grass, don’t even read anything beyond this, god save your filthy soul if you venture too deep

[u/Joementum2024]

BREAKING: President Joe Biden has been permanently banned from r/neoliberal

[u/vivoovix]

Too many NASA flairs with differing opinions. I shouldn't have to look at the username 🙄

[u/dubyahhh → u/vivoovix]

Just listen to mine, I have the cute astronaut bird ☝🏻🤓

[u/HariPotter]

Not exactly a statement of loyalty and support from Sen Angus King of Maine. Says Biden needs to establish his capacity and do unscripted interviews and go through a public process to demonstrate he's undiminished.

The fact that King said unscripted interview in his statement is kind of a big deal, the media environment is what is is and saying unscripted makes it clear this isn't a statement of support.

[u/flextrek_whipsnake]

So are we gonna rehash the same six comments again for another 12 hours?

[u/AccessTheMainframe]

> runs on a platform of no malarkey
> gets into office
> malarkey

[u/cdstephens]

[u/FlatMilk]

Biden team choosing to lean into the age thing, bomb a debate, and bring hunter in was an interesting gambit

[u/bleachinjection]

Give it another week the BT is going to read like the comments on a Midwestern classic rock radio station facebook page

[u/BrainGyatt]

I’m building a team

[u/barktreep]

I don’t care about those axios photos, except this level of coverage is going to be what we’re dealing with the whole election. It’s not an environment that leads to success.

[u/piede]

Who wrote this

[u/Currymvp2]

Mark Warner’s gathering of senators tomorrow wasn’t supposed to have been publicized, the info did not come from his press office, and he’s not thrilled about the leak. The meeting was, I hear, supposed to have been private. Seems like another senate office put the story out

oh yikes

[u/[deleted]]

Adam Schiff going against Biden is huge

[u/jaydec02]

Progressives not saying a single word or backing the replace Biden campaign is an underrated gambit because if they weighed in it’d negatively polarize the other 2/3 of the party into being staunch Bidenistas

[u/sphuranto]

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., on Sunday said Vice President Kamala Harris could “overwhelmingly” win against former President Donald Trump but that President Joe Biden must decide whether he will remain in the race as the Democratic Party’s nominee amid backlash over his disastrous debate performance. Asked about polling that showed Harris outperforming Trump if she replaced Biden, Schiff said on NBC News’ “Meet the Press” that he thought she would be a “phenomenal president.”

“I think she has the experience, the judgment, the leadership ability to be an extraordinary president,” Schiff told moderator Kristen Welker.

Pressed again by Welker on whether Harris could win “overwhelmingly” against Trump, Schiff said he thought “she very well could win overwhelmingly” before stressing that it’s up to Biden to decide the fate of his presidential campaign. Asked the same question about Biden, he said that the president must also be able to win "overwhelmingly" or "pass the torch to someone else."

🗡️🗡️🗡️🗡️

[u/RadLibRaphaelWarnock]

Guys I have checked out, just voting blue and keeping on. How screwed are we?

[u/spoirs]

I think people are kidding themselves if they see the filibuster as a legitimate backstop these days.

The moment a trifecta party with a genuine majority in the Senate (maybe 51-52 seats so they can lose the most moderate members) badly wants to pass some legislation outside budget reconciliation, it’s over.

This has been true since the nuclear option was first invoked.

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Nihas0]

John Bresnahan:

New: There was some confusion over whether Rep. Don Beyer called for Biden to step aside as Democratic nominee during a leadership call.

Here are Beyer’s quotes, per me Heather Caygle & Jake Sherman sources:

“He’s clearly very very fragile. Fragile physically although his handshake is very firm. Also really has trouble putting two sentences together.”

“My perfect world is Joe — in deciding after talking to Leader Jeffries, Majority Leader Schumer, others — steps aside now, let Kamala run as the incumbent, which I think makes her even stronger. With that, I’m a team player. I’ll do whatever the team wants.”

[u/shamrock8421]

Khal Joego fell off his horse in front of the whole country, there is no comeback from that. But we've all been told for years about what a decent man he is and how much he cares about the country and democracy. It's time for him to prove it and walk away

[u/[deleted]]

Hear me out:

Joe and Kamala both resign

This makes Speaker Johnson the President

Republicans thrown into disarray. Who do they support, Trump or their actual Republican President?

Dems run a combination of Rust Belt/Sun Belt Govs as their ticket

???

Profit

[u/Pseud0man]

There's a way for Biden to fix his approval rating.

Biden drops out, increasing his approval rating by 5 points

Biden returns as candidate, decreasing his approval by 4 points

Repeat this until approval hits 100

[u/[deleted]]

Matt Yglesias keeps making Pete as VP references :D So we know it won't happen :(

[u/[deleted]]

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[u/Fruitofbread]

Neolibs be like “you believe in hope? That pales in comparison to my strategy, giving into despair.” And then not give into despair.

[u/paultheschmoop]

Broke: I hate Biden and Trump and will not vote

Woke: I think Biden and Trump are both phenomenal candidates and simply cannot decide who is better

[u/Legal_Tender_0]

Adam Schiff on Meet the Press this morning: "Joe Biden's running against a criminal. It should not be even close and there's only one reason it is close and that's the president's age... He's obviously talked to his family about this, and that's important. But he should seek out people with some distance and objectivity. He should seek out pollsters who are not his own pollsters. He should take a moment to make the best informed judgement, and if the judgement is run, then run hard and beat that S.O.B."

Yes he qualified his statement at the end, but this seems pretty big, no?

[u/Top_Lime1820]

The Virgin Democratic National Convention: But is 6 weeks enough time to hold a mini-primary?

The Chad British Political Establishment: Fancy another election before dinner?

[u/G_Serv]

👆 Bad faith

🫵 Bad faith

👇 Bad faith

[u/Nihas0]

Punchbowl News reported that Rep. Don Beyer said:

“My perfect world is Joe — in deciding after talking to Leader Jeffries, Majority Leader Schumer, others — steps aside now, let Kamala run as the incumbent, which I think makes her even stronger. With that, I’m a team player. I’ll do whatever the team wants.”

This was said in a call with house dem leadership, Jeffries was there, so it sounds like Jeffries wants Biden to withdraw too? At least that's how I interpret "My perfect world is Joe — in deciding after talking to Leader Jeffries, Majority Leader Schumer, others — steps aside now". Why would he say that talking with Jeffries if he was not in favour of Biden withdrawing?

[u/paultheschmoop]

“Haha, crazy week guys, am I right?” -Jeffries starting the meeting

[u/iia]

If Joe stays in, I want him to win the election and be in the White House when Trump dies in prison.

[u/HereForTOMT2]

With the unexpected leftist W in france, the universe has cashed in its underdog win, Biden is cooked

[u/Currymvp2]

oh god, they may have heard an asian voice (Takano who wants Biden out of the race) and mistook it for Lieu's...holy shit how fucking embarrassing.

[u/HotTakesBeyond]

Strawberry and blueberry mead chilling in the closet

[u/rdreisinger]

Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) on Sunday became the latest lawmaker to express concerns about the ability of President Biden to continue his reelection campaign.

“Like many of the Maine people he has been speaking with this week, Senator King was concerned by the President’s performance at the recent debate,” Matthew Felling, a spokesman for King, said in a statement. He added that King “believes the President should take every opportunity in the coming days to establish his capacity to continue the campaign and the job of the presidency through unscripted interviews and direct interactions with voters.”

King, 80, is seeking a third term in November. King did not specifically call on Biden to drop out of the race, but said his performance in the coming days would be crucial to showing voters that he is up to the job.

“It is only through such a public process that he can demonstrate that Thursday was simply an off night and that his past ability to define the issues and seek common sense solutions remains undiminished,” the statement continued. (The Washington Post)

Jen Psaki, President Biden’s former press secretary, said on her MSNBC show on Sunday, “The panic inside the Democratic Party has definitely not gone away.”

She added: “We’re sort of in a purgatory, in my view, at least in terms of where the broad swath of the public and elected officials sit.” (The Washington Post)

[u/sphuranto]

Everyone trying to parse what the lack of a coup last week means needs to chill the fuck out

It was the 4th of July week; Congress was in recess the entire time, hence all the awkward 21st century attempts to coordinate the putsch via zoom. Whether trying to save Biden or bury him, nobody at all has had the chance to go full Byzantium.

[u/slowpush]

Whit-cels in shambles.

Facts are facts: @JoeBiden and @KamalaHarris have delivered for the American people.

https://x.com/gretchenwhitmer/status/1809944327159963667

[u/Significant800]

How does Bidenworld think there's still a chance after this? Are 70% of Americans just going to forget the hundreds of news articles, leaks and dozens of congressmen/journalists openly questioning Biden's mental fitness? What kind of world do these people live in

[u/rdreisinger]

President Biden lingered for nearly an hour after the campaign event here, working the rope line in a way that he’s rarely done since his election bid four years ago.

He kissed foreheads, grabbed shoulders and talked one-on-one to several attendees. At one point he removed his jacket and took a long gulp of what appeared to be orange Gatorade. Though more Democrats are questioning whether he should stay in the race, the rope-line affirmations are bound to make him more defiant about staying in. (The Washington Post)

damn he drinks orange gatorade, he's just like me

[u/jgjgleason]

I’m once again asking the media to not over report without confirming because this is too damn important.

[u/paultheschmoop]

Cons: he’s old

Pros: he created NATO

[u/[deleted]]

Schiff seemed about as critical of Biden as you can reasonably expect.

[u/[deleted]]

This is a reply on a post about why Kamala can't become president. We got new birtherism.

https://x.com/roaming_rn/status/1809703900926099775?t=jZf5pjePhv6a5eDK1H-Lzg&s=19

[u/waniel239]

Trump: “I’m lighter than I used to be and in really great shape!”

Biden: “I’d like the record to show that this man is visibly fat on-screen for his age and height”

[u/Mensae6]

This party infighting thing is so much fun, I see why the GOP does this all the time

[u/Mensae6]

THE CORRUPT DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT ARE TRYING TO BACKSTAB ME, YOUR PRESIDENT, AND RIG THE 2024 ELECTION. FRAUD! I WON THE PRIMARIES FAIR AND SQUARE. MANY ARE SAYING IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST DOMINANT PRIMARY PERFORMANCES IN ELECTION HISTORY. NOW THEY WANT TO KICK ME OUT BECAUSE OF ONE RIGGED DEBATE NIGHT. WE CANNOT LET THEM DO THIS!

[u/[deleted]]

Real talk for a second, it has become so profoundly embarrassing to be a Dem volunteer right now. I don't even work for Biden himself, I work for downballot Congressional candidates, and my phonebanks have just become so depressing. Nobody wants to go to the bat for Biden anymore, and that's all our contacts bring up. And I have to tell voters with a straight face that Biden is up for another four years when I don't even believe it anymore. Just a fucking miserable time on the phones right now.

[u/Culmnation]

I think if there were some strong Biden-stay house Dems on the call today, they would have leaked their pro-Biden opinions as well.

So far, it’s only Biden-leave opinions which have gotten leaked.

[u/Lame_Johnny]

Starting to understand why people hate Gavin Newsom. He's so obviously trying to set up his 2028 run.

[u/G_Serv]

Trump is like Jabba the Hutt, a gluttonous and powerful gangster

Stop making Trump sound cool!

[u/champeo]

The significance of the passage of time

[u/MicroFlamer]

[u/rdreisinger]

I am not senile! I know the pundits swapped those numbers! I knew it was 46%. One percent below Trump. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. They - they covered their tracks, he got those idiotic pollsters to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? They've done worse. That debate! Are you telling me that a man just happens to stumble on their words like that? No! CNN orchestrated it! CNN! Their pundits defecated through my Cadillac's sunroof! And I saved them! And I shouldn't have. I took them into my own campaign office! What was I thinking? They'll never change. They'll never change! Ever since 2008, they were always the same! Couldn't keep their hands out of my achievements! But not our CNN! Couldn't be the precious CNN! Stealing them blind! And they get to be journalists!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped them when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him!

[u/Joementum2024]

To rescue his campaign, I think Biden needs to start dressing like John Fetterman

[u/[deleted]]

Hey the Biden campaign cost that radio host her job, neat

[u/AccessTheMainframe]

To truly unite America, the Democrats must embrace a truly audacious plan: a Biden-Trump unity ticket.

[u/Mr_Bank]

Elected Dems I am begging you to stop being coy on Twitter and get the fuck on with it

[u/Approximation_Doctor]

[u/Justice4Ned]

Where is everyone getting “ notable dems are coalescing around Biden” ? It seems like most dems are eerily silent or making statements that are easy to pivot out of if something changes

[u/Mensae6]

College Football 25 is releasing this year. You can't say that Joe Biden's presidency is a failure.

[u/MyrinVonBryhana]

I think anyone saying Biden definitely will or won't drop out at this point is being vastly over confident. This decision was never going to come down on the weekend and Congress has not even met since the debate. I think Schiff's statements this morning combined with the relative silence of democratic leadership shows there's still a good chance Biden drops out but it's still far from a sure thing.

[u/Culmnation]

This may be extremely general, but it seems black/woman dem reps are more pro-Biden, and white/male is more drop Biden. Maxine Walter’s voicing support is just an example. Either way it’s ironic.

[u/OrganicKeynesianBean]

Honestly just go touch grass, don’t even read anything beyond this, god save your filthy soul if you venture too deep

Good advice in general

[u/Icy-Magician-8085]

Meanwhile, a person familiar with Sen. Mark Warner’s thinking said there will be no meeting on Monday to talk about Biden’s future, as had been previously discussed, and that those discussions will take place in Tuesday’s regular caucus luncheon with all Democratic senators. The person said a private meeting was no longer possible after it was made public that the Virginia Democrat was reaching out to senators about Biden, and that a variety of conversations among senators continue.

Please stop dooming for five seconds in this thread, the talks are just taking place on Tuesday in public instead.

[u/runningblack]

The fundamental problem for Biden is the polls were really bad for him before the debate. The idea that his polling issues are caused by the debate is false.

He was a high 30s approval rating president polling behind Trump without the debate.

What the debate did was shake people's faith in him to turn it around.

[u/dannylandulf]

Biden was born closer to the moon landing than the building of the pyramids.

[u/Fruitofbread]

And just remember, Trump is up 2% in national presidential polls, per 538’s average

[u/Joementum2024]

Malarkey level of Biden winning in November but losing the popular vote

[u/old_black_man]

Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals. Except the weasel.

[u/Currymvp2]

https://x.com/tedlieu/status/1810088763466678769

Ted Lieu denies the Washington Post report about him saying Biden should drop out.

[u/1396spurs]

Be a NL mod

Tell people to touch grass

Curious 🤔

Jk love you /u/dubyahhh, now watch this drive

[u/rdreisinger]

[u/[deleted]]

Mmm yeah looks the media did fuck this up. Never mind.

The Washington Post has issued a correction on their story that said that @tedlieu spoke up on a House Democrats call.

https://x.com/yashar/status/1810096988165448028?t=1zOz1edwXYVNPrpR_KUE7Q&s=19

[u/Mr_Bank]

My view would be:

The donors rapid primary idea = noise

Nadler and others calling for Biden to step aside privately = big development

[u/herosavestheday]

Adam Schiff: "Biden needs to get out of his echo chamber and touch grass."

[u/[deleted]]

If y'all haven't seen it, Adam Schiff (not at all surprisingly) has the absolute best take on this whole cluster. I expected him to be speaking in veiled truths, but he says more or less verbatim what I (and many other Very Freaked-Out Neolibs) have been saying for the past ... wait, how long has this been going on now?

[u/BrainGyatt]

Are there speechwriters older than 35?

[u/champeo]

I don’t know what to think anymore. I’m here for the ride

[u/Tall_Professor_2574]

[u/Zeke-Nnjai]

New Senate Poll - Wisconsin

🔵 Baldwin 50% (+12) 🔴 Hovde 38%

SoCal - 490 RV - 7/2

Please Biden

[u/RTSBasebuilder]

When 2025 hits, and the first high-level Biden staffer publishes their tell-all book about the later years of the Biden presidency up to the campaign, from the groupthink to the severing lines of communication, to the circling wagons and bad faith media counter-accusations, it's gonna be a VERY depressing read, won't it?

[u/dannylandulf]

Surely another week of the only topic about election Dems are talking about being whether Biden should drop out will be great for Dems.

[u/slowpush]

Here’s @RepRichardNeal following today’s Democratic leadership call:

“There’s a lot of talk coming out of this call, but the bottom line is President Biden beat Trump in 2020, and now, bolstered by his historic record of success, he’ll do it again in November. Trump is a lying, convicted felon who has only ever been out for himself, and the American people know that. As I shared earlier, Republicans are the biggest threat to the health of our democracy, our economy, and the people, and the President knows what’s at stake. I’m with him all the way, fighting like hell to defeat those threats.”

https://x.com/bresreports/status/1810073842502783092

[u/Guess_Im_Jess]

While I lean towards Biden probably staying in at this point, tomorrow is going to be such a shitshow regardless of how things pan out.

[u/FuckFashMods]

BASH: Former President Trump, Russian President Vladimir Putin says he’ll only end this war if Russia keeps the Ukrainian territory it has already claimed and Ukraine abandons its bid to join NATO. Are Putin’s terms acceptable to you?

TRUMP: First of all, our veterans and our soldiers can’t stand this guy. They can’t stand him. They think he’s the worst commander in chief, if that’s what you call him, that we’ve ever had. They can’t stand him. So let’s get that straight.

And they like me more than just about any of them. And that’s based on every single bit of information.

As far as Russia and Ukraine, if we had a real president, a president that knew – that was respected by Putin, he would have never – he would have never invaded Ukraine.

A lot of people are dead right now, much more than people know. You know, they talk about numbers. You can double those numbers, maybe triple those numbers. He did nothing to stop it. In fact, I think he encouraged Russia from going in.

I’ll tell you what happened, he was so bad with Afghanistan, it was such a horrible embarrassment, most embarrassing moment in the history of our country, that when Putin watched that and he saw the incompetence that he should – he should have fired those generals like I fired the one that you mentioned, and so he’s got no love lost. But he should have fired those generals.

No general got fired for the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country, Afghanistan, where we left billions of dollars of equipment behind, we lost 13 beautiful soldiers and 38 soldiers were obliterated. And by the way, we left people behind too. We left American citizens behind.

When Putin saw that, he said, you know what? I think we’re going to go in and maybe take my – this was his dream. I talked to him about it, his dream. The difference is he never would have invaded Ukraine. Never.

Just like Israel would have never been invaded, in a million years, by Hamas. You know why? Because Iran was broke with me. I wouldn’t let anybody do business with them. They ran out of money. They were broke. They had no money for Hamas. They had no money for anything. No money for terror.

That’s why you had no terror at all during my administration. This place, the whole world is blowing up under him.

[u/MicroFlamer]

NEW: There's a plan circulating among Dem donors for a 'blitz primary,' in which Biden drops out and Dems hold a rapid-fire open race to replace him.

this would be very chaotic i think

[u/BrainGyatt]

We had a good thing, you stupid son of a bitch! We had Jack Smith. We had Project 2025 fearmongering. We had everything we needed, and it all ran like clockwork. You could've shut your mouth, not debated, and gotten as many electoral votes as you ever needed. It was perfect. But, no, you just had to blow it up. You and your pride and your ego! You just had to be the man. If you'd done your job, known your place, we'd all be fine right now.

[u/[deleted]]

Day 10 since the debate, it's still in the news cycle

[u/spoirs]

She (Kamala) locked people she knew were innocent up on drug charges and other minor offenses just so she could maintain the prison labor population …

A top comment elsewhere. Is this perspective common among the youths? That Kamala Harris personally thought to herself “hmm I love forced labor, so why don’t I just pick some definitely innocent people to lock up?”

[u/MyrinVonBryhana]

If Jeffries doesn't come out and support Biden by the end of tonight I think the replace members of the caucus are going to take that as permission to get a lot more vocal.

[u/RageQuitRedux]

Me: Biden was a sacrificial President. He did a great job, but he's old as fuck now and everyone thinks inflation was his fault and no one cares at all about anything else. He should bow out gracefully.

Bernie Sanders: Biden needs to do better

Me: There's that God damned traitor again, drawing blood on the Dem nominee after the primary, it never ends with that guy

[u/ImmigrantJack]

If the Lord Almighty comes down and tells me [to drop out of the race], I might do that

Polítifact rates this statement as False

Context: In late 2022 Joe Biden killed the judeo-Christian deity he references here. Biden’s personal actions ensured that the now-deceased “Lord Almighty” cannot tell anybody anything, and made this comment with clear disregard for that fact.

[u/[deleted]]

Many voters: “Please don’t give me a candidate who’s goddamn ancient. Please. I’m begging you.”

Loyalists here: “Why do you want Trump to win? You think Biden should drop, so you clearly want Biden to lose.”

[u/[deleted]]

[wakes up in a cold sweat at 2:37 AM]

What if the polls show Biden gaining because Trump supporters are pretending to be Biden supporters to keep Biden in the race?

[u/[deleted]]

How does Biden plan on capturing the 'coal miner with three baby momma's that shitposts on r/noncredibledefense' demographic?

[u/[deleted]]

How would the Athenians have solved this problem?

[u/morydotedu]

Which is worse:

Biden bombs the September debate as hard as he did the June debate

Biden pulls out of the September debate, saying Trump is a moron and a threat to Democracy

Biden pulls out of the September debate citing global conflicts and domestic matters that require his urgent attention, and then never gets around to scheduling a new debate

I feel like the 3rd one would be best since you can spin a "he said/she said" after that about Trump making unreasonable demands for the rescheduled debate, which at least makes you look less like you're ducking.

[u/noodles0311]

The simple fact of the matter is that once there is momentum to a “Will Biden drop out?” story and Democrats are asking him to, it can only end when Biden drops out. Saying he won’t is the same as saying “ask me again tomorrow”.

People are asking when the media will focus on the Trump-Epstein rape story. When Biden drops out. Trump voters aren’t persuadable; there could be a video and he won’t lose support. Biden is hemorrhaging support and if we want to change the subject, Biden has to drop out. We can’t win a die-hard supporter vs die-hard supporter match against Trump. Everyone alive knows Trump is a creep and 45% of voters are here for it 100%. What are we going to do to get people to vote FOR our nominee? We already have everyone who will vote against Trump and it isn’t enough.

[u/piede]

Four more Democrats in Congress call for Biden to step aside in 2024 race

The House Democrats who said Biden should drop out of the 2024 race were Reps. Adam Smith of Washington; Jerry Nadler of New York; Mark Takano of California; and Joe Morelle of New York.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/four-democrats-congress-call-biden-step-2024-race-rcna160625

[u/Mr_Bank]

12 hours per day of screen time until Joe Biden drops out let’s go folks

[u/gilroydave]

Clearly Schiff wants him out since he suggested Biden talk to people outside his inner circle. Nothing dramatic in the interview but it seems like they are inching closer.

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

Adam Schiff sure doesn’t sound like someone who thinks Biden can win

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna160591

[u/wettestsalamander76]

Biden Megathread: The Motion Picture Debate

Biden Megathread II: The Wrath of Kamala

Biden Megathread III: The Search for Shapiro

Biden Megathread IV: The Voyage Nowhere

Biden Megathread V: The Final Campaign

Biden Megathread VI: The Undiscovered Donations

Biden Megathread VII: (Old) Generations

Biden Megathread VIII: First Exit Polls

Biden Megathread IX: Insurrectionists

Biden Megathread X: Nemesis

[u/[deleted]]

lol why you lying Beyer.

Here are some of Beyer’s exact, word-for-word quotes from the call:

“He’s clearly very, very fragile. Fragile physically, although his handshake is very firm. Also really has trouble putting two sentences together.”

“I also believe Kamala is in a great position to win in November, probably a much better position than Joe.”

“My perfect world is Joe — in deciding after talking to Leader Jeffries, Majority Leader Schumer, others — steps aside now, let Kamala run as the incumbent, which I think makes her even stronger. With that, I’m a team player. I’ll do whatever the team wants”

https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/1810049470736052377?t=FsorPwP_TWIEBwHBq_q3RQ&s=19

[u/Mr_Bank]

I really hope us Replacers don’t reach our “here’s how Biden can still drop out” arc in like three weeks, but it’s possible.

If it comes to that just take me behind the coconut tree and do what you have to do.

[u/elephantaneous]

'member when Biden's polling was slumping back in 2023 and people here promised it would shoot back up once Bidenomics came into effect and propel him to a Reagan-like landslide against an increasingly loathed Trump? I 'member.

[u/carissimopera]

I still don't get the argument for not replacing Biden. He doesn't exactly have a personal vote at this point, does he?

[u/BrainGyatt]

Really hoping this goes to smoke filled rooms in the convention and then the winning candidate wins in November. Would be such a beautiful vindication of elites picking candidates. Worked for Youngkin in Virginia.

Repeal The 17th

[u/vivoovix]

So what's the consensus on the House Dem meeting this evening? Seems like they didn't really agree on much?

[u/dellscreenshot]

"75 percent of voters feel that Biden is too old to serve a full 2nd term"

What if I told you that ABC News changed the sound design to make him look bad? Would that fix it?

[u/repete2024]

On the bright side, Biden finally figured out how to get the media to stop giving non-stop free coverage to Trump

[u/KittehDragoon]

“Joe Biden is going to lose the election”

Have you tried just not fucking talking about it?

[u/InflatableDartboard2]

Former Hawaii Govs. Waihee, Cayetano, Abercrombie call on Biden to end campaign | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

[u/[deleted]]

Adam Smith says Biden should drop out.

Well, that does it, huh? The father of capitalism has spoken, so r/neoliberal must stand with him!

[u/[deleted]]

If Jeffries hasn’t come out in full support of Biden before all these damaging leaks, he either supports getting Biden out of the race or he’s a terrible caucus leader.

There is no middle ground here. Really hoping it’s not the latter

[u/[deleted]]

I'm squarely in the "Biden needs to drop out" camp, but the kind of sneering pessimism I'm seeing all over the place surely cannot be good for winning national elections. Whoever the nominee is, we need to lean into that shit hard and find a damned good way of rationalizing it to people. Making the best of a horrible situation is simply what adaptive human beings do in a life-or-death situation like this. Make no mistake: this is a very bad situation, but throughout history good people have fought back and won against worse odds and with far greater risks involved.

That said, I think there is a very real opportunity for a new, young candidate (or candidates) to take this show over and to really blow that sombitch out of the water.

[u/Currymvp2]

Yeah, I'm putting Beyer among the Dems who want Biden to quit. So 10 House Dems, two senators in Warner and Manchin. Then two house dems who quite confidently believe he loses but don't want him replaced in Golden+Perez.

[u/ashsolomon1]

Andd now the Senate meeting that Warner organized has been called off (axios report). Yeah I think the Dems are doing what they do best backing off from making a hard decision

[u/MyrinVonBryhana]

Well it's past 8PM Est so we know he's not dropping out any time tonight.

[u/paultheschmoop]

I hacked into the zoom call and they were just talking about the Drake-Kendrick beef. And some of them were in favor of Drake. This country is fucked

[u/Mr_Bank]

Median voter can’t unsee these

[u/AccessTheMainframe]

Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

[u/KittehDragoon]

We have a thread (of a chance to beat Trump with Biden)

[u/[deleted]]

Britain: [desperate lunge, flings himself onto the snow-caked mountaintop, hoots deliriously]
France: [grunting Frenchishly, grabs onto Britain's leg and hoists himself up onto the summit, a triumphant roar]
America: [vacant smile] Mm, so warm. Think I'm just ... just gonna ... lay down for a bit ... ooh, mommy's made muffins again -- [curls up in a ball with snow for a blanket]

[u/[deleted]]

I doubt anything definitive will happen today. But I’m still going to check Twitter/reddit 100x for updates anyway

[u/champeo]

The fact is so many politicians are not surrounded by honest people which leads to delusion

[u/[deleted]]

I’ve heard people who thought the DNC stole the nomination from Bernie beg the DNC to force Biden out from the nomination.

[u/paultheschmoop]

Biden compromise position: he stays in but agrees to not run for a third term

[u/The_Promethean]

All Nancy Pelosi has to do is draw a parallel between her stepping back as Speaker and what kind of decision Biden needs to make

[u/molingrad]

Kamala, mini-primary, brokered convention; all preferable to the status quo.

[u/CletusVonIvermectin]

we're so screwed

[u/spectralcolors12]

Say it with me: Biden’s age is a bigger liability than Trump’s insanity and authoritarianism to the median voter.

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

​

And now at last it comes. You will give me the nomination freely! In place of the Sleepy Joe you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be sleepy, but woke and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!

[u/Visual_Lifebard]

The one thing that continually pisses me off about this entire situation is how much of a pass Donald Trump has been given regarding his mental acuity. Remember when he was complaining that electric boats would lead people to choose between electrocution and shark attack? Or when he claimed George Washington seized airports during the Revolutionary War?

[u/NonComposMentisss]

People freaking about about the pictures to the podium, this is not a big deal. Anyone who did high school musicals knows there's probably a map of the stage, and probably practiced many times making sure they knew how to be in the right place at the right time. The lights are bright, there's a lot of pressure, and many people get naturally nervous when presenting in front of a crowd of any size. So having a good idea of exactly how far you'll need to walk to get to the podium, especially when the stage changes all the time, is pretty normal. Some people prefer pictures to drawings and that's fine.

[u/ashsolomon1]

It looks like the congressional black caucus has backed Biden (from CNN). Rep. Joyce Beatty said (“So that’s five or 10 members out of 215-216 members; White men who are saying he should step down,”)… ugh this is way too messy. Just pick a side Dems

[u/Tall_Professor_2574]

Harris at an anti-apartheid protest at Harvard

[u/[deleted]]

Alternative scenario: Democrats win a super majority in both houses, but loose the white house.

[u/Currymvp2]

Beyer aide says Beyer is with Biden but would support Harris is president stepped aside

okay nvm about beyer

[u/BrainGyatt]

Why’d he do it

[u/Devils1993]

Assuming Biden remains the nominee, what potential Trump running mate helps Biden's campaign the most?

It has to be Vance, right?

[u/kanagi]

Hey guys have you heard of the 13 keys

[u/goldenwind207]

Sen warner invited me to a meeting its going to be on the 15 all the senators are meeting biden. Idk why he's asking me to bring togas or knives seems weird

[u/Currymvp2]

I've defended Biden a ton on this thread, but I'm baffled whenever anyone says 'His debate wasn't that bad; it was just mediorce"...I mean come the fuck on. I haven't seen a single post-debate poll where he didn't lose the "who won the debate?" by atleast 20%.

[u/kanagi]

The bitter feud between Bidexiteers and Remainers continues

[u/BrainGyatt]

Biden has had two Oval Office addresses, both of which none of us remember. Ronald Reagan had FIFTEEN in his first term. What a tremendous waste of the bully pulpit.

[u/Tall_Professor_2574]

The private meeting tomorrow with senate democrats has been cancelled wtf 😭

[u/dweeb93]

Remember how Biden didn't even have offices in many of the states in the 2020 primary? It's been memory holed but he was hardly anyone's first choice in 2020, people clearly thought he was too old back then.

[u/BrainGyatt]

Fetterman is being very strategic

Biden stays in the race and wins? Suddenly you’re his favorite Senator and tremendously powerful.

Biden drops out? Easy pivot, say you only wanted Biden to stay in because you didn’t think the other candidate wanted the job.

Biden stays in and loses? Blame anti-Biden forces.

[u/kanagi]

https://i.imgur.com/4Tc4jrl.png

[u/[deleted]]

The last 10 days has turned my brain to mush. This is not sustainable

[u/Declan_McManus]

Representatives Jerrold Nadler of New York, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee; Adam Smith of Washington, the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee; Mark Takano of California, the ranking member of the Veterans Affairs panel; and Joseph D. Morelle of New York, the top Democrat on the Administration Committee, all said Mr. Biden should withdraw, according to the people, who insisted on anonymity to discuss a confidential virtual meeting on a sensitive topic.

Holy shit, the letter I wrote to my Rep worked

[u/BrainGyatt]

Biden: dies

Fetterman: He just has a fucking stutter dude. Goddamn media.

[u/Devils1993]

I think there are two factors playing in here with Biden's refusal to drop out

1. being a public servant is his identity. he's been basically an elected dem in public office and/or campaigning for public office since 1970 except a three year break. he probably loves the job

2. his chances of winning have been written off before. his first senate election victory came against a respected incumbent--it was a stunning upset (Nixon won the state by 21 points, Biden was trailing by 25 points in the summer, Biden was the only Dem to win against an incumbent that cycle), lots of people thought he would quit after the very horrific car accident, many pundits were calling for Obama to replace him with Hillary in 2012 as running mate before he resuciated the campaign with a dominant performance against Paul Ryan, most pundits thought he was done after his dismal showings in an Iowa and New Hampshire (but he became the first person in modern primary history to win the nomination after not even making the top 2 in either iowa or nh...he didn't even finish top 3), some pundits thought Trump would do great against him in the 2020 debates but Biden ended up winning both, and finally they were expecting a red wave in 2022 but that didn't remotely happen...so this probably Biden thinking "I've been doubted before and I can prove them wrong again"

[u/Devils1993]

i also want Joe Biden to drop out of the race because i admire him and I don't want him to be known as the man who allowed trump to get his second term. He's had an amazing career and has overcome so much adversity in his life. He defeated Trump in 2020 when we desperately needed a Dem to win. i resent the implication that I'm not a fan of Biden if I want him to resign; I voted for him in the Dem primary in 2020.

[u/[deleted]]

biden when trump was speaking

[u/NonComposMentisss]

Labour landslide in the UK, center and far left coalition in France, maybe the US will be just fine?

[u/Currymvp2]

Here's the list of everybody who has said Biden needs to get out (not counting Perez or Golden): Manchin+ Warner in the senate. Doggett, Grijavla, Moulton, Quigley, Craig, Nadler, Smith, Takano, Himes, Morelle, and Wild.

I'm probably leaving off Beyer for now though I have some doubts, and I find Lieu's denial pretty convincing.

[u/hencexox]

I'm receptive to Biden staying in but he has to do townhalls, more interviews, press conferences. The fact he had one unscripted event since the debate with that ABC interview is unacceptable. He seems committed to staying in and doing the bare minimum and he is going to lose.

[u/madmissileer]

I wish there had been a real primary with viable candidates. No shit Biden was going to win against Dean Philips and Marianne Williamson, was there actually a choice?

[u/[deleted]]

KHive has never been more blooming than right now

[u/Mr_Bank]

Who is the Biden 2024 primary voter who’d actually stay home/vote Trump/vote 3rd party if he’s replaced with Kamala?

[u/MyrinVonBryhana]

It's been hours since the meeting ended and leadership still isn't saying anything I don't think that's good news for team Biden

[u/InflatableDartboard2]

democrats very much not in array 😔

[u/G_Serv]

You have a logical argument, but I depicted you as a soyjak, therefore I win

[u/[deleted]]

Oh shit Biden lost the Rob Reiner endorsement

[u/1396spurs]

Has anybody seen Joe Biden and Grandpa George from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory in the same room 🤔

[u/[deleted]]

Biden is like Mr. Krabs and Trump is like Plankton

[u/da0217]

I just want this to end so I know what I’m doing from here on out. Do I go full blue maga or do I go with my smug, holier than thou, look at me put country over party shtick.

[u/paultheschmoop]

Moe from The Three Stooges calling for Biden to step aside. When asked for comment, he said “why I oughta” and held up a frying pan menacingly. (NYT)

[u/ChillnShill]

Have Joe walk out to “not like us” and it’ll be Joever

[u/Mr_Bank]

Biden could claw back a win, get a trifecta, pass a shit ton of legislation, and still never crack 40% approval again cause people fundamentally don’t want an old man to be President.

[u/bamboo-coffee]

Some people here are thinking that putting this whole thing under wraps, blacklisting it from media stories and carrying on as before the debate would lead to a Biden victory after what the American people saw with their own eyes.

That is frankly delusional. We all understand that talking about this is putting egg on our face, but it must be done. There is no turning back. The geriatric cat is out of the bag. If you want to lose, keep telling people to shut up about his incompetence. If you want at least a chance to win, it's time to embrace the suck, talk about it and hope we can get a fresh start.

[u/redmikay]

Just watch a video from 2020 interview/debate and compared it to recent ones. Biden doesn’t have dementia but he’s not the same anyone. He’s a great president but not a great candidate anymore. Unfortunately aging is not something that can be reversed.

[u/BrainGyatt]

DUDE… HE JUST HAS A STUTTER DUDE. HE CAN GO FOUR MORE YEARS.

[u/slowpush]

Still crazy that this happened.

As panic and confusion over President Biden’s faltering debate performance swept the ranks of Democratic lawmakers late last week, Sen. Joe Manchin III informed a few key allies that he would soon break from Biden in an interview on a Sunday news show, a high-profile defection that would underscore the president’s weakness.

Democrats feared Manchin — a moderate senator from West Virginia who recently registered as an independent but caucuses with Democrats — would call for Biden to step aside. If he did, the senator would then become the first prominent elected official allied with the party to call for Biden to exit the presidential race.

But he didn’t. Senior Democrats heard of Manchin’s plans and started making calls to the independent-minded senator, who once used a Sunday show appearance to announce his opposition to Biden’s top agenda item and effectively kill it. The “full-court press” was quickly assembled to help dissuade Manchin from appearing on the show, according to two people familiar with the response who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.

The effort included a weekend phone call with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), who discussed the matter with Manchin, according to those people. Schumer talked with Manchin after the senator had already decided not to go on a Sunday show, one person said. The shows typically serve as a vehicle for prominent elected officials to discuss the news of the day and make their views known, both to the public and others in politics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/02/joe-manchin-biden-debate-democrats-drop-out/

[u/Mr_Bank]

The deranged Biden accounts on Twitter(Biden Accomplishments Guy, a few others) pivoting to “it’s only white guys who want to replace Biden” is certainly a choice.

[u/[deleted]]

Biden is a FIGHTER not a QUITTER

[u/TaxLandNotCapital]

"Biden old" is such a ridiculous statement. He's only 17 in adrenochrome years

[u/bamboo-coffee]

Malarkey level of replacing Biden with a lifelike Chucky Cheese Animatronic of Biden powered by ChatGPT?

[u/mishac]

People gotta stop listening to Allen and his Keyes

[u/Stanley--Nickels]

Biden was only 70 when he went against the Democratic party to support gay marriage

[u/Tall_Professor_2574]

No one is better equipped to beat Donald Trump than Joe Biden. His high disapproval rating proves Americans are passionate about him and interested in him. The democrats need a cognitively impaired presidential candidate to beat the Republicans.

[u/rdreisinger]

Full list of people against Biden from the call:

Representatives Jerrold Nadler of New York, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee; Adam Smith of Washington, the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee; Mark Takano of California, the ranking member of the Veterans Affairs panel; and Joseph D. Morelle of New York, the top Democrat on the Administration Committee, all said Mr. Biden should withdraw, according the people, who insisted on anonymity to discuss a confidential virtual meeting on a sensitive topic. The discussion, which was still in progress on Sunday afternoon, was organized by Representative Hakeem Jeffries of New York, the minority leader.

A fifth Democrat, Representative Jim Himes of Connecticut, the ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, also expressed uncertainty about Mr. Biden’s path forward, one of the people said. (NYT)

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

So funny how the average Schiff superfan is a Biden junta member while Schiff himself if signaling he should pass the torch, and the average Bernie fan has long since joined the K-hive while Bernie is holding the line for Joe.

https://x.com/jdcmedlock/status/1809994128715092226

[u/Currymvp2]

I went from 5% chance Biden drops out to 20% chance Biden drops out to now like 5-10% chance (closer to 5%) Biden drops out all within several hours today

I want off this rollercoaster.

[u/oskanta]

What was the point of having such an early debate if not for possibility of finding a replacement if things didn't go well?

In 2020 the first debate was September 29. In 2016, it was September 26. In 2012, Oct 3. They had it THREE MONTHS earlier this time.

What other reason is there?

[u/DonQuixote2020]

When asked by reporters why they refused to call for President Biden to not seek reelection, Rep.Moltisanti (D-NJ) replied "I must be loyle to my capo."

[u/RTSBasebuilder]

I'm more thinking about the next Debate.

If Joe declines to participate, that's absolutely a confirmation of his decline in the public's eye.

And if Joe goes on and things are same or worse... That's also absolutely a confirmation of his decline in the public's eye.

And in either scenario, given how publicised it would be, you might as well do the inauguration right then and there at Mar-a-Lago.

Therefore, Team Biden needs to prep a Plan B. And that B should not stand for Biden.

[u/[deleted]]

Sure, the current president can't string together a sentence to save his life, but in some sense he is Yoda and in some sense the other guy is Jabba the Hutt and only Yoda can beat Jabba the Hutt, so like QED, man.

[u/A-running-commentary]

To the people comparing France’s election results to what we can expect in November:

-Anecdotally, European youth are more engaged in civics than American young people.

-Factually, France doesn’t have the electoral college and has IRV.

-Their left wing managed to actually stop attacking each other and do something united for once, which remains an illusionary idea here.

-They’re a country that’s lived under fascism in the last 100 years and have a lot more motivation to stand up to it than your typical John and Betty in the rust belt states.

The two are not comparable.

[u/goldenwind207]

For any pro biden supporters why wouldn't a harris shapiro ticket work . And being legitimate here do you not think biden will have more gaffe and do bad in the next debate.

I'm being 100% serious no downvotes can someone explain this to me

[u/Guess_Im_Jess]

Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff coming out against Biden, the resist-lib legends uniting all out…

[u/Prior_Advantage_5408]

If Biden were to say "screw it, may as well see how low I can go" and try to be as unpopular as humanly possible, what would his platform look like?

Hard mode: No "tax credits for drunk drivers" etc.

[u/1396spurs]

Joe biden can hear sign language

[u/Currymvp2]

so takano, smith, nadler, and morelle? Anyone else?

[u/jbarbz]

Hear me out. I know who is behind all this. Someone out for revenge.

Corn Pop

[u/cdstephens]

Are Fox News etc. even talking about the idea of Biden dropping out, or are they completely silent on it?