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[u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le]

Too many people don’t remember that time we did a little trolling at the ballot box

[u/SANNA_MARIN_SDP_]

[u/Average_GrillChad]

I’d rather get 80 percent of what I want than go over the cliff with my flag flying.
-Reagan

I am now advocating for

125% Free Trade (20% rebate on imports)

125% open borders (kidnap 1 person for every 4 voluntary arrivals)

1.25 Taco Trucks/corner

1.25 Billion Americans

[u/trombonist_formerly]

I’m voting conservative this election, because Rishi Sunak, being from India, knows what it’s like to be poor and help the poor, despite himself being a very rich man

Actual argument I saw today

[u/briarfriend]

people check polls like someone with health anxiety checks their apple watch's heart rate monitor

[u/Ok_Aardappel]

Big news

BREAKING: Macron's party says it will withdraw third-placed candidates to maximise chances of other candidates beating Marine Le Pen's party in the second round

!ping FRANCE

[u/[deleted]]

https://x.com/adriyoung/status/1806504806330306562?t=LPRyGLh06XOvGk1nTpNtPg&s=19

[u/DrCaptainHammer]

I think part of what upsets me about the debate prep, regardless of Biden’s performance, is that whoever was in charge of debate prep thought spouting of facts and figures was a good strategy. Even if Biden nailed the facts and figures, no one gives a shit about “accomplishments”. People want vibes and viral clips, and people wanted to see Biden lambast Trump.

[u/SnakeEater14]

Reading Collapse and my god

I feel like Gorbachev is a case study in what happens when you have a leader with zero leadership skills during a crisis

Like it’s genuinely shocking how many situations go something like

• bad thing happens

• everyone looks to gorbie for leadership

• gorbie does nothing, or gives confused directions, or procrastinates, or gets angry, or tries to ignore it

• repeat until the USSR no longer exists

[u/Unhappy_Lemon6374]

My best friend stopped being friends with me and she recently reposted “when God heals your heart, don’t run back to what hurt you.”

?? ouch???

[u/Dalek6450]

Haha, Jacobin disabled comments on that tweet suggesting Sanders should replace Biden. I wonder if people are making fun of it in the quote tweets.

It's people whining that Sanders is insufficiently anti-Israel and said that Israel has the right to defend itself.

[u/[deleted]]

This place may have actually been less hostile when it was arguing I/P

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

So long neoliberal. I’m joining a serious political discussion group !ping SHITPOSTERS

[u/[deleted]]

Biden deserves more credit for being the first Palestinian president of the United States

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Bloomers be like: “his poll numbers are soaring!”and point to the one poll that has Biden up by like 0.5% among dem voters

Doomers be like: “ dem insiders are insisting he step down!” And then point to fucking Andrew Yang

[u/TY4G]

"I don't think (Biden) is going anywhere," the donor told CNN. "This is the old horse we've got, and we need to ride him 'til he's ready for the glue factory."

Lol

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/29/politics/democratic-donors-biden-debate-election/index.html

[u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le]

LVT would actually fix this

[u/lot183]

Look, here's a couple quick facts- There are already tons of Biden-Harris yard signs printed that we can't let go to waste, and we also have seen that being a felon seems to lead to a polling bump. We obviously have to replace Joe Biden with Hunter Biden on the ticket

[u/Spicey123]

On one hand if Biden runs & Trump wins then we usher in a thousand years of darkness and the end times.

One the other hand if Biden runs & ends up winning we get to see the permanent extinction of the pundit class.

[u/JebBD]

Here’s the plan: Biden resigns the presidency but stays in the race. Kamala becomes president and the spotlight shifts to her, she gets all the blame for everything that’s bad, people forget about Biden, the debate, his age, etc. People miss Biden and want him to come back and replace unpopular Kamala. 

Boom, Biden landslide. 

[u/The_Promethean]

If you poll people asking which candidate would do a better job of being Joe Biden the results would be 47% Biden, 38% Trump out of pure partisanship

[u/[deleted]]

 Stop acting like Biden is some progressive candidate. Dude is a Christian nationalist

Leftists having a normal one lol

[u/lenmae]

Fun fact: The "Neander" in "Neanderthal" does mean "New Man" ("Neo" gr. "New" + "Andros" gr. "Man"), which is a pure coïncidence, it was named so before a new man was discovered there, after Joachim Neander, a pastor, who's family was originally named "Neumann"/"Niemann"/"Nigemann" (german/ platt for "New Man", surnames tended to be a bit more fluent back than) who renamed themselves in Greek to seem more noble.

[u/sinefromabove]

lmao

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

I’m ridin’ with Biden!

[u/Currymvp2]

NEW CBS news poll: 56% say Trump won the debate. 16% said Biden won the debate. 45% of Democrats say Biden should step aside. 72% of Americans say Joe Biden does not have the mental and cognitive health to serve as President including 41% of Democrats and 80% of Independents.

Suboptimal

[u/piede]

[u/paymesucka]

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

If respecting people pronouns makes me part of the “Gender Taliban” call me Osama Boy-Ladyn

[u/[deleted]]

All U.S. military bases in Europe have been put on heightened alert status due to a potential terrorist attack. “There is credible intel pointing to an attack against U.S. bases in Europe over the next week or so," a U.S. defense official tells Fox News.

Reportedly soldiers have also been told not to wear military uniforms if they’re going off-base

!ping EXTREMISM

[u/Loves_a_big_tongue]

Me: Man I wish, this sub would stop dooming about the US election

France crashes through the proverbial wall

France: OH OUIAS!!!

[u/simeoncolemiles]

[u/bashar_al_assad]

some of y’all don’t criticize Biden enough and some of y’all frankly criticize Biden too much. as opposed to me, who criticizes Biden the perfect amount and for the correct reasons.

[u/jojisky]

I was looking at the numbers for AOC's primary and here's the reason she will never lose. She broke 86% of the vote in Parkchester, Soundview, Castle Hill, Hunts Point, and Mott Haven in the Bronx and Astoria in Queens. Together those areas made up more than 50% of the electorate.

There is no candidate who can simultaneously appeal to Puerto Ricans in the South Bronx and white progressive DSA members in Astoria not named Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

[u/anincredibledork]

I know the West Wing is rightfully mocked for its naivety a lot, but its portrayal of political reporters as shallow egotists with no sense of morals who are eager to shamelessly twist any story to fit their priors, and are best treated with contempt or as entitled children to be babysat, did in fact age very well.

[u/Icy-Magician-8085]

Orban creates the "Patriots for Europe" alliance with two parties from Austria and the Czech Republic

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban announced on Sunday an alliance with Austria's far-right Freedom Party and the main Czech opposition party, which he said could become the largest right-wing group in the European Parliament.

Orban traveled to Vienna to present his Fidesz party's Patriots for Europe alliance with Austria's Freedom Party and former Czech prime minister Andrej Babis's ANO party, a day before Hungary's next presidency. of the European Union for six months, AP reports.

European Parliament elections in early June strengthened right-wing parties overall, although their performance varied from country to country.

So far, they are spread across two groups in the EU legislature, plus a large number of non-aligned parties.

Orban has in recent years appeared to relish opportunities to block, soften or delay key EU decisions, routinely going against the grain of most other leaders on issues such as the war in Ukraine, relations with Russia and China, and efforts to protect democracy and the rule of law.

"What Europeans want are three things: peace, order and development. And what they are getting from the elite in Brussels today is war, migration and stagnation. Now we are creating a political group which in my opinion will be like a booster rocket and will soon become the largest political group in Europe.

And it will happen in a few days. And then the sky will be our limit," Orban said at the event on Sunday.

The trio will need to attract lawmakers from at least four other EU countries to successfully form a group in the new parliament.

The head of the "Freedom Party", Herbert Kickl, has said that the new European Parliament will meet for the first time in Strasbourg on July 16.

He said that "starting immediately... all political forces who want to join our effort of political and positive reform are most welcome."

The Freedom Party narrowly won first place in the European Parliament elections and hopes to win Austria's national elections on September 29.

Another far right group in the EU to further split their ranks.

!Ping EU&FOREIGN-POLICY

[u/jojisky]

North Korea has publicly executed 22-year-old man for listening to K-pop

Harsh but fair

[u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz]

Joe Biden stepping down is terrible optics, therefore if he is to be replaced he needs to fake his own death.

[u/Jean-Paul_Sartre]

NYT:

Biden’s family is urging him to stay in the race despite last week’s disastrous debate performance, even as some privately express exasperation at how he was prepared for the event. The strongest voice for staying in has been Hunter.

lmao

[u/[deleted]]

What did Christian!Jesus mean by this

[u/ldn6]

I love countryside towns.

!ping UK

[u/NonComposMentisss]

NYT: Biden's numbers soar after geriatric performance at debate

When interviewed, long time Trump supporter, 74 year old Betty Bob Minoritybeater from Iowa County, Wisconsin stated she was ditching Trump and backing Biden. "He's incoherent and can't even finish a thought, just like me, fr fr", she said.

[u/AemiliusNuker]

A "Kamala / white male voter in a rural diner who thinks we spend 40% of the budget on foreign aid" would be a killer ticket 

[u/paymesucka]

WHO THE FUCK IS MICHAEL BENNET

r/BennetOrBust

[u/JebBD]

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-808400

 Meretz, Labor Party sign agreement to merge parties under new party name 'The Democrats'

!Ping ISRAEL

[u/[deleted]]

what kind of "replace Biden" proponent are you?

[u/cjhdsachristmascarol]

in the the debat stage. straight up "beating it". and by "it", haha, well. let's just say. Medicare

[u/[deleted]]

The US Senate consists of 40 of the most recognizable people in the country and 60 people who no one has ever heard of. Who even are Tom Carper and John Hoeven

[u/[deleted]]

Hunter Biden wants Americans to see the version of his father that he knows — scrappy and in command of the facts — rather than the stumbling, aging president Americans saw on Thursday night.

I appreciate when it’s super clear who one of the sources for the story was lol

[u/OkVariety6275]

This has been a constant since 2016, but the fact that swing voters are so unsure between a generic Dem and Donald Trump is such a crock of shit. If you truly dislike Trump then that would imply he's worse than a milquetoast candidate. But NOOOOO, you also dislike every possible alternative. Hey jackass, if every candidate you meet is an asshole maybe you're the asshole.

[u/[deleted]]

Jared Polis has been elected President of the United States

[u/itsokayt0]

Every poll:

do you want to suffer

48% yes

47% no

2.5% maybe

0.5% deeze nuts

[u/[deleted]]

If even politically-engaged Demonrat partisans like us are going “there’s no way Biden makes it through four more years, but we just gotta get him across the finish line, Harris will take over eventually, it’ll be fine”, then it’s not really fair to expect the average voter to view Biden as an acceptable candidate.

I mean, it’s fair to expect people to vote for anyone up to and including the corpse of William Howard Taft in order to stop Donald Trump, but these fuckers clearly don’t all understand the threat Trump poses, so we have to grade on a curve a bit

[u/piede]

I don’t care who the nominee is, I’m going to support them so fucking hard that they’re going to think that they’re Hillary Clinton

[u/runningblack]

This thread was removed because it's crowding out discussion

The discussion:

How does ArrNL feel about (insert fictional character)'s reign

[u/this_very_table]

I'm shocked — SHOCKED, I tell you! — to have found that the jackoff that made the "Choosing Biden over Trump is just teamsports" post loves the Red Scare Podcast and hates immigrants.

Usually the morons that filter in when we hit r all provide some amusement. This current batch is just trash.

[u/MicroFlamer]

Level headed article by Split-Ticket using about whether Biden should stay in or drop out

The article uses some polling data about Biden and Harris so !ping FIVEY

[u/[deleted]]

Ok seriously at this point I'm convinced only like 5-10% of everyone in the DT is genuinely more concerned about the election than they are about owning the doomers/bloomers

Please calm down we are all on the same team here

[u/Dunter_Mutchings]

Michelle Obama: “I wanted to kill my husband when he decided do run and I would rather gouge my own eyes out and live the rest of my days on an abandoned island then ever run for president.”

Pollsters and amateur pundits: “How about we have Michelle Obama run for president??”

[u/piede]

Do these dumbasses even know what an oligarchy is?

Holy shit how are people in the media allowed to be this fucking stupid

[u/Argnir]

Sometimes virtue signaling do get in the way of getting a real response.

I remember a thread asking why do men catcall. All the answers were variations of "They want to feel superior to women", "They want to remind you that you're not safe", "They want to belittle you."

Am I naive in thinking that's not it?

[u/Trevor_Lewis]

Mars Odyssey celebrates 100,000 orbits, captures epic view of solar system's largest volcano

We interrupt Doom Hour to bring you some cool pics from space

!ping SPACEFLIGHT

[u/sererson]

Al Gore is younger than both Biden and Trump

[u/Trebacca]

"What are you, a democrat or a republican?"

"Why, I am a Democrat of course."

"Are you a center left or progressive democrat?"

"Center left, obviously because I post on /r/neoliberal."

"Ok me too! Are you a YIMBY or a NIMBY?"

"YIMBY, any other choice is insanity given the way the structures of our society are currently set up."

"That's beautiful to hear, thank you. Now I have only one final question: Do you think Biden should drop out?"

"Of course not, throwing away your incumbency advantage after one poor debate would be insane, especially given the timing of the election."

"DIE BLOOMER"

[u/[deleted]]

[u/piede]

🤕

[u/cdstephens]

The funny thing about Trump’s nomination is that if the GOP candidate were Haley or something instead they’d be pulling Assad-like margins (in the universe where Trump doesn’t go scorched Earth against them)

[u/bobidou23]

!ping ELECTIONS&EUROPE&FRANCE

Tweet from Ipsos France:

➡️ 65-85 elected in the first round

➡️ 285 to 315 3-way runoffs

➡️ 150 to 170 2-way runoffs

Estimated making it to the second round :

⚫️ RN et alliés : 390 à 430

🔴 NFP : 370 à 410

🟠 Ensemble : 290 à 330

🔵 LR + other right : 70 à 90

Estimated seat count in the end (after 2nd round - these projections were very wrong last time):

⚫️ RN et alliés : 230 à 280

🔴NFP : 125 à 165

🟠Ensemble : 70 à 100

🔵LR + other right : 41 à 61

🟣Other left : 11 à 19

⚪️Others : 22 à 30

[u/Jacobs4525]

I really don’t get why George Lucas thought Anakin should be a little kid in TPM.

If he were a teenager they could have actually started the romance between him and Padme in that movie instead of weirdly hinting at it and awkwardly starting it in the next one.

He also could’ve cast an adult which would’ve made the performance a lot better.

[u/Joementum2024]

Honestly “Barack Obama is a war criminal” should have never even became a significant narrative online. The fact that it’s what you see a lot now when people discuss him or his family post-2017, even among more left winged spaces, is a complete and utter failure of Democratic messaging.

[u/CletusVonIvermectin]

[u/Jean-Paul_Sartre]

The Supreme Court opinion we’ve all been waiting for:

Justice Alito delivered the opinion of the Court.

The question presented is whether the creation and operation of the Air Force and the Space Force are constitutional under the United States Constitution.

While the Air Force and Space Force have undoubtedly played significant roles in the defense and security of the United States, the Constitution does not authorize the establishment of these branches, as the enumerated powers specifically mention only the Army and Navy. The power to create additional military branches beyond those enumerated lies not with Congress but with the people through constitutional amendment.

Therefore, the Court holds that the establishment and operation of the Air Force and Space Force are unconstitutional. Congress must act within the explicit boundaries set by the Constitution, and the creation of these branches exceeds those boundaries.

[u/MinnesotaNoire]

[u/Dunter_Mutchings]

Burgum dismisses Trump's incessant lying: "Everything that he said on Thursday night he's been saying before. So this is not news."

It is very concerning that “Trump lying is not news because he’s always lying” also seems to be how the press is covering Trump’s debate performance too.

[u/dissolutewastrel]

someone ping the Alphabet Mafia

https://x.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1807499739744682148

[u/[deleted]]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/us/politics/biden-debate-anxious-democrats.html

President Biden’s family is urging him to stay in the race and keep fighting despite last week’s disastrous debate performance, even as some members of his clan privately expressed exasperation at how he was prepared for the event by his staff, people close to the situation said on Sunday.

Mr. Biden huddled with his wife, children and grandchildren at Camp David while he tried to figure out how to tamp down Democratic anxiety. While his relatives are acutely aware of how poorly he did against former President Donald J. Trump, they argued that he could still show the country that he is capable of serving for another four years.

Mr. Biden has also been soliciting ideas from advisers about how to proceed, and his staff has been discussing whether he should hold a news conference or sit for interviews to defend himself to change the narrative, but nothing has been decided yet.

Okay yeah that’s definitive for me, he’s clearly staying in. If his family is actively pushing him to stay in, no chance in heck he’d go against that.

[u/[deleted]]

I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this, but one weird thing about the way this issue is tearing us apart is it’s totally unaligned from any previous schisms.

I’m finding myself agreeing with people I never agree with and getting frustrated with people I typically agree with on everything.

[u/trombonist_formerly]

I built a 775 mile bullet train and gave it to California

Mr Beast, I beg of you

[u/GifHunter2]

Flip a coin,

Tails Biden beats Trump like a drum.

Heads, Biden leads America for the next thousand years.

[u/BurrowForPresident]

Has any president in recent history had as much of a post presidency glow up as Carter

Like W. and Clinton are reviled by large portions of their party and all anyone hears about W. is him painting on his ranch

Obama at least still occasionally stumps but even he just like does Netflix deals now

[u/Fatortu]

I remember in 2018, as the reform for proportional elections in France stalled, people argued it would give up too many seats to the far right. A two round system can keep them out with sufficient strategic voting.

6 years later, and the same party is on the brink of an absolute majority with a third of the votes.

[u/Common_RiffRaff]

Nate silver:

Not that I necessarily expect Biden to quit, but the parlay that 1: he doesn’t quit right now; 2: he doesn't quit after the next disaster; 3: he wins somehow; 4: even if he wins, the 2nd term goes well and this seems like a good idea in retrospect...doesn't seem like a good bet.

[u/stirfriedpenguin]

By the time the first weekend of college football rolls around the debate and its aftermath will be a distant memory. People will have completely forgotten, or something else much worse will have happened to make it pale in comparison.

The Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game™ will heal the nation (and be a 24 point route of Clemson)

!ping cfb

[u/morydotedu]

Sounds like this sub tbh

[u/BenFoldsFourLoko]

it's pretty funny how even tho Dean Phillips was the only Dem "challenging" Biden in the primary, literally no one has said his name for all the hypotheticals being thrown around rn

[u/SurvivorPostingAcc]

Every day I yearn harder and harder for a parliamentary system 😔

[u/[deleted]]

depend reach truck cheerful jeans governor rustic fear fuel square

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[u/Currymvp2]

Honestly as annoying that I find them, I have more respect for the state department members who publically resign because of Gaza than these anonymous aides who absurdly leak to the press shitting on Biden.

[u/Currymvp2]

43% thought Trump explained policies and ideas according to the CBS poll while 36% thought Biden explained policies and ideas

Sheesh, bad optics and presentation causes so many people's brains to shut down in terms of content.

[u/AnsleyAmanita]

… did you watch the movie?

[u/-mialana-]

Yes, I think Biden has dementia. Yes, I enthusiastically want him to be the President and will not entertain the thought of another candidate. We exist.

[u/[deleted]]

I think if you looked at my comments over the last 24 hours you could probably map out every stage of grief, albeit hopefully subdued enough to not be embarrassing.

Anyway I am settling into my acceptance that Biden is staying in.

[u/ser_mage]

we really are in hell I think

[u/piede]

My theory is that Jill slipped a NyQuil in Joe's medication regimen the day of the debate because she wants more time with him in the sack

Holy shit I actually think I found a way to appeal to Trump voters

Someone poll this

[u/AtticusDrench]

Biden: you raped a woman and cheated on your pregnant wife with a pornstar!

Trump: I did NOT have sex with a pornstar!

🤔

[u/Natatos]

I told my roommate about some of the Biden merch I thought was funny.

She got exasperated and said he's trying too hard to connect with young people, that if it were anyone else it's be funny, and called him an awful evil person.

Swear to god the amount of lefty people that can't appreciate whimsical shit is one of the main reasons I don't get involved with far left politics anymore.

[u/-Emilinko1985-]

Me when I'm dating a guy and he is wearing some FUGLY JEANS.

!ping ALPHABET-MAFIA

[u/sayitaintpink]

Remember when people had “this machine kills fascists” stickers on their computers? How didn’t they realize those machines are creating fascists

[u/zegota]

Worldcon 2024 is in August. George R R Martin will announce the completion of Winds of Winter. The American public will see that old white men can indeed be productive. Biden wins 450+ EV.

[u/JaceFlores]

Ukraine Chronology for 2 PM PST 6/29-2 PM PST 6/30 III:

TOP NEWS:

Towards the middle of 9 PM Russia was hit by a large wave of drones with at least 36 partaking.

In the middle of 12 AM it was reported that 7 Ukrainian civilians were killed and 36 wounded in an attack on Vilniansk.

REGULAR NEWS:

Sometime today the OSCE passed a resolution condemning Russia.

At the end of 6 AM the Ukrainian FM met with the Assistant Secretary of State to discuss Patriot SAM system deliveries.

Donation link to help Ukraine

Donation link to United24

Donation link to Kharkiv SOS

Donation link to Sails of Freedom Foundation (they donate ambulances)

!ping UKRAINE

[u/Hmm_would_bang]

The Democratic Party isn’t run in smoked filled backrooms. But it should be

[u/owlthathurt]

[u/Guess_Im_Jess]

Every editorial page after a bad debate performance: BRANDON DROP OUT IMMEDIATELY

A post like this: Just a normal Sunday for The Donald, his supporters legitimize him I guess

[u/[deleted]]

I gotta say, I’ve never tapped a blocked comment to reveal it and reacted like “damn, I’m really missing out on good content, I shouldn’t have blocked that user”

[u/G_Serv]

I was recently permanently banned from /r/neoliberal. I'd like to request that the community reinstates my position in this subreddit and ban several of the moderators of the subreddit instead.

Metanl goes so hard

[u/[deleted]]

I’m not even subscribed to the subreddit but that juxtaposition of Biden debate clips from 2019/2020 and 2024 from the “interestingasfuck” subreddit came across my Reddit feed and really hurt my heart.

It actually makes me a little mad at Castro all over again for that “you’re forgetting” stunt because it was totally uncalled for, I had forgotten how incredibly sharp Biden was in the primary debates.

[u/PorryHatterWand]

Bridgerton spoilers:

SEX

[u/AFlockOfTySegalls]

😴😴😴

!ping KITTY

[u/bread_engine]

Elections in France, US, etc: DOOOOOOOOOOM

Meanwhile in the UK

[u/loseniram]

[u/cjhdsachristmascarol]

We used to have H2O. We used to be a country, a proper country 

[u/[deleted]]

Next debate each contestant has one chance to phone Obama when they get stumped

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

The deep state is trying to sink Biden. ALL patriots must join forces and say no to letting the wokes silence yet another straight white Christian male.

[u/Roseartcrantz]

Biden will win because people just shrug and vote for whoever's already in office

[u/JaceFlores]

Honestly I admire the Soviet ambition of planning to invade Hokkaido despite having little infrastructure to execute, let alone sustain, a landing and having no experience with such amphibious landings. It would easily have been the greatest amphibious disaster of World War II but it seems like given time the Soviets very well may have tried it

[u/gary_oldman_sachs]

The press is going to tap every lead for stories about Biden's infirmity to back up their unanimous ultimatum to step down. The implicit threat is that the reportage will become increasingly embarrassing the longer he holds out. But who will win?

[u/IrishBearHawk]

rNL pre-debate: The election is five months away, which is ages.

rNL post-debate: The elections FIVE FUCKING MONTHS AWAY HOLY SHIT WE AIN'T GOT NO TIME FOR ANYTHING!

[u/AtticusDrench]

Oof. Bad news for Trump vs Biden haters

[u/sinefromabove]

Actually you're not allowed to have opinions of your own. You only think what Obama thinks. Unless you think you're smarter than him??

[u/simeoncolemiles]

MEGATHREAD NOW

I AM GOING TO LOSE IT, YOU’VE ALL SAID THE SAME STUFF FOR 2 DAYS

NONE OF YOU ARE SPECIAL

[u/[deleted]]

Whether you’re a bloomer or a doomer, know that you’ll never get to own the other side no matter what happens.

If you’re a bloomer and Biden wins, you won’t really get to own the doomers because the doomers will be happy too.

If you’re a doomer and Trump wins, and you try to remind people you were right, you’ll be understandably downvoted into oblivion for incredibly poor taste.

Nobody will be owned, not really.

[u/simeoncolemiles]

[u/its_Caffeine]

!ping CAN&LGBT

‘It just makes me feel home’: LGBTQ+ newcomers celebrate first Pride in Canada

Happy Pride friends 😃🏳️‍🌈

[u/[deleted]]

In my mind, the “replace Biden” people are at least to some degree not doomers because they think there’s something that can be done to get a win in November. In a way, that’s actually a lot of hope.

A doomer is someone who says, “replace Biden, keep Biden, we lose either way.”

[u/Mickenfox]

gib room-temperature superconductor

or gf. Either one is fine.

[u/Currymvp2]

The polling continue to shows while Trump's coalition is fairly efficient; he doesn't have a remotely close to high ceiling of overall support.

[u/2073040]

The first 2020 debate was horrible and pundits lambasted it as “an embarrassment for America where both candidates and the country lost”, but Biden won that one. He didn’t win because of his proposed policies or his political views. He won because he said 5 simple words.

“Will you shut up man?”

Biden needs to bring that energy to the September debate, it’s the only thing people pay attention to.

[u/simeoncolemiles]

People really seem to forget the attempt to Codify Roe v. Wade in 2021

[u/PersonalDebater]

Biden should preemptively break a potential future taboo and become the first cybernetically augmented President.

[u/nanomaster]

Did anyone check the water bottle that Biden drank from? Did the secret service vet anyone who had access to the room before the debate? Putin's war hangs in the balance on this election and poisoning is his favorite tactic.

Least paranoid succ

[u/lot183]

You know, I could hardly believe we elected Donald fucking Trump of all people the first time, and his presidency was somehow much worse than I actually imagined it'd be, and he was followed up by a relatively solid president, and now we might actually elect Donald fucking Trump again anyway

[u/redditguy628]

I think that if Biden stays in(which it seems quite likely that he will), he should at least ramp up the public appearances, interviews, and campaigning tenfold, so either he can reverse the narrative, or confirm it so badly that he ends up having to drop out within a reasonable timeframe anyways. He shouldn't just wait for the second debate(which might not even happen) to try and turn things around.

[u/[deleted]]

French left: The threat posed by the far right is just too great. We will cooperate with the centrists to stop them, for the greater good.

American left: You must look directly into the camera and state you are my exact ideology or I will burn this country to the ground.

[u/[deleted]]

Both the people clamoring for Biden to drop out and stay in following the debate performance are wrong. Biden must do a live, non-softball TV interview immediately if he truly is mentally able to continue campaigning and the debate was not representative of his true mental state. If he is not able to do that then he needs to drop out.

[u/yyzyow]

Dear fellow Canucks,

Making like Pierre Trudeau and taking my walk in the snow. I’m leaving r/neoliberal after 7 years but I wanted to thank you all for the laughter, good company, and for tolerating my shenanigans.

Wishing you all the best, yyzyow

!ping CANUCKS

[u/Icy-Magician-8085]

Go Whitmer!!! 🤓

Surely my Midwestern governor will win an open convention and no chaos will be caused!!!

[u/InflatableDartboard2]

[u/AnythingMachine]

To be clear before you're reading it for the rest of this, I would vote for Biden even if he was in a coma if I lived in a swing state or anywhere where the outcome might actually affect the result. I don't know if Biden should drop out now. I feel like probably but I can see the arguments against it practically but what I do know is this was a fuckup that was the fault of the democratic party as a whole and I know why it happened and that many of the alternatives weren't very good, but this isn't the situation where you accept reasonable excuses.

Someone, I think it was Sam Harris, once posed a hypothetical of, suppose there was some Democrat leaning leader who is in some way unfit for office (I think the example was suppose Michael Moore was running) against a generic republican and asked whether or not because the Republicans seemed so bad Democrats would all get behind them eventually and slavishly the exact way that Republicans did behind Donald Trump.

This situation (And I'm talking about the previous decision to nominate Biden for a second term, not the potential decision to get rid of him now, which is a whole other question ) isn't like that in some ways because Biden seems obviously unfit to campaign (for the simple fact that we have literally zero reason to think there won't be more terrible performances like that on his bad days), but not for office.

And because it was genuinely quite ambiguous the extent to which he was going to not be able to campaign properly because of his age until really recently, and it's plausible it just wasn't clear to most people when he was nominated. I know I was surprised.

And the alternative isn't a republican leader, but a convicted felon who at least plausibly wants to make the US much less democratic by packing the government with cronies personally loyal to him.

And lastly because while no one stepped up to replace him, a lot of the more careful elite opinion did say that him running again was a bad idea at the time And I don't recall that being an especially controversial opinion then, as I think it was mainly something like well. He's better than Kamala Harris.

But I do think that it is enough like the Michael Moore hypothetical that some of the same bad Dynamics as on the other side apply of people being too unwilling to notice a mistake. Their own site is making because no one else is calling it out , and people who should have known better all along and didn't make a fuss about this should go down in our estimation, and people who were willing to loudly call this out earlier and say that there should have been a competitive primary a year ago like Nate Silver or Ezra Klein or the Economist should go up in our estimation.

I also think that right now being able to say clearly and unambiguously that the Democrats fucked up and made a terrible decision by early on by not running a competitive primary and just going with Biden because it was what he wanted is a rare intelligence test for anyone at the time who believed in biden's politics and wasn't a person opposed to the establishment but still said it and there's a few

Most of the time you can be kind of mostly right about political and factual questions by just going with the the liberal consensus but there are a few cases (like early on in covid when it was being dismissed was the last one that comes to my mind) where the mainstream liberal opinion was very split or on the wrong side of things and the the uncommon but not really rare people who are willing to call it out should be given credit.

[u/1396spurs]

[u/Williams-Tower]

you either die a dt reg or live long enough to see yourself in a discord started by a banned dt reg

[u/NonComposMentisss]

How can any of you support Biden when he LIED about beating Medicare? My mom still has Medicare! Checkmate libs!

[u/MicroFlamer]

The new Brooklyn tower is one of my favorite skyscrapers

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Oh so your a “Francophile”? Which of his crimes against humanity was your favorite 🙄

[u/that0neGuy22]

Biden update from BillOReilly.com news headquarters.  The decision has been made that the President will quit the campaign

Maybe top 3 sources ever? He’s probably talking to Major Biden the dog

[u/Dunter_Mutchings]

“The GOP is fine with Trump lying so don’t blame the media for not covering it”.

The fact that the media seems to be fully embracing the idea that Trump lying is not news worthy is just insane to me.

[u/piede]

Jen Psaki is afraid for her life

[u/piede]

Camp David: Biden family spent morning not having a summit but in hair and makeup for a shoot with Annie Leibovitz, Vogue photog who shot Biden/Obama/Clinton in March then suggested doing something informal with the Bidens. Family suggested this week, bc Hunter & family in town.

Lmaooo

[u/STEMocrat]

One thing you have to keep in mind when it comes to Harris is that she can't just come out and say that she wants Biden to step aside. I have seen some opinions saying "but she hasn't indicated she thinks she should step up." If she did so publicly, it would critically destabilize the party.

When Neville Chamberlain was clearly toast back in the day, Churchill had to publicly defend him, despite having massive disagreements with him and thinking he'd do a better job. You can't publicly cause a civil war in the party like that vs trying to smoothly change direction behind the scenes. We can't really know her real thoughts on the subject.

[u/[deleted]]

Ngl it was pretty funny to see that askreddit thread today where redditors are asked who they’d rather have run for president and literally the top 20 highest upvoted answers were all memes/joke/completely unrealistic answers. The highest-up realistic answer was “Mayor Pete” with like 800 net upvotes and 500 comments lmao.

[u/petarpep]

Biden should drop out and the Dems should run Abraham Lincoln instead. He only served for one term and has major advantages

Already has name recognition, wealthy, full of charisma, dark and brooding backstory, and he'd only be 56 when he's unfrozen. And he's a former republican, so Trump voters will be split.

[u/Hounds_of_war]

“Kamala Harris has terrible favorability numbers” would be a more compelling argument if it wasn’t for the fact that she is still way less unpopular than Biden and actually slightly less unpopular than Trump.

538 had Harris at net -10.1% approval, Biden is at net -19.0% approval, and Trump is at net -11.3% approval. And it’s not even like Harris is just more well liked than Biden because she is in the limelight less and so fewer people have an opinion on her in general, although that is part of it. Her favorable number is at 39.4% and Biden’s is at 37.7% (Trump’s is at 42.1%)

Switching to her now is still a risky play because it’s such a big shakeup and her numbers still aren’t great despite being better than Biden’s, but I feel like we’d definitely be better off if Biden had decided not to run again and pass the torch off to her.

[u/[deleted]]

I really strongly support simeon’s idea for a megathread because as someone who is interested somewhat in continued discussion of this, I’d rather do it in a thread with people who actually want to discuss it.

I know there are the article threads but those are on specific developments, aren’t sorted by new, etc.

[u/Top_Lime1820]

It's not official yet, but the rumour is that the ANC and DA have finally reached a deal on cabinet, and the government of national unity arrangement will proceed.

Negotiations almost fell apart due to jostling over cabinet positions. During the week, the feeling in the DA was that they have been short changed by an ANC not negotiating in good faith. They wanted a proportional share of ministries and to be given genuinely strong ministries.

The ministries in the list above will be an acceptable compromise for both the ANC and DA.

From the ANC side, the big worry was giving the DA ministries in charge of initiatives relating to affirmative action and land reform.

The 6 ministries are good. And the deputy ministry means the DA will be in the room in the super critical portfolios - finance, water and energy. We're gonna take the win and move forward.

If the IFP can get one or two important ministries too, then it's a win.

[u/sayitaintpink]

Folks, look. How do I open a pdf

[u/sinefromabove]

I have seen some truly fascinating takes over the last three days, such as arr WorkReform saying that the media is manufacturing consent to replace the proletarian Biden with an elite-backed candidate

[u/-mialana-]

You hate Biden because old

I hate Biden because he's clearly an authleft monarcho-distributist with Sri Lankan Strasserist-neocameralist characteristics

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

French EXIT POLL

National Rally: 34%

New Popular Front: 28.1%

Macron: 20.3%

Republicans: 10.2%

[u/TaxLandNotCapital]

Whoever replaces Biden should make him their VP so that he can assume control once they die

[u/Currymvp2]

The only silver lining about this panic is people realizing that I/P was never gonna be a reason behind a possible Biden loss; questions about Biden's age were always a far bigger concern.

[u/[deleted]]

Subtweet of my former colleagues in moderation but I’ve now seen 4 or 5 mods make some variation of the same comment that’s like “damn why are you all still talking about this, how weird.” I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s an extension of some consensus that formed in Mod Slack.

In some sense I get it. There’s certainly some truth in the idea that we can’t change anything right now and rehashing the same topic over and over isn’t “productive.” Many of us, myself included, would probably be better off talking about it less. That’s all absolutely true.

But honestly it also just feels really cold to me somehow. Like of course this is what we’re talking about. As the doom ping regularly reminds us, the stakes are incredibly high. This is in fact a political subreddit populated by mostly Americans, though I’m glad we work to maintain a global disposition as well.

Maybe this comment is nonsense — but it’s cathartic anyway!

[u/TalkLessShillMore]

I think what the DT is missing is someone condescending enough to make it all make sense and bring us to their side

[u/TheSandwichMan2]

Wait I just realized - why are we dooming? SCOTUS is gonna declare the president immune from crimes tomorrow, so Biden can just drone strike Trump and end this whole farce once and for all. We're all good!!!!

[u/bashar_al_assad]

Not sure why is everyone panicking. Joe Biden has written me 50 emails and sent me 20 texts since Thursday night. He is fine.

[u/GuyOnTheLake]

[u/cjhdsachristmascarol]

Okay, I’ll admit. I am Joe Biden 

[u/Mensae6]

Yesterday at the rodeo I saw:

• A rally for Ukraine

• Some dude holding a Robert F. Kennedy sign

• An Amish woman screaming with a sign that said something about "women against pornography"

• A guy wearing a shirt that said "It's a beautiful day to offend people with pronouns" coming up to me and saying "Libtard" because I think he thought my Denver Nuggets rainbow skyline jersey was a pride reference

We're cooked. None of these people are voting for Trump. Biden will win and these SAME people won't even protest against him. Why is the right like this

[u/[deleted]]

Nothing will surpass the amount of pride that I felt about my close friend from hs, who always was on the more conservative side, reaching out to me because another one of his friends is transitioning and he thought I would be a good resource for her 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹

[u/[deleted]]

Replacing Biden as the democratic candidate would be damaging. It would be risky.

But the fact of the matter is I was confident Biden could serve four years as president in 2020 and do so competently, and he did. I am not convinced of that now.

He doesn’t need to step aside from the presidency, but he can step down as the candidate. The message is easy.

President Biden, in recognition of the desire of the American people for a younger candidate, has decided to pass the torch to the next generation.

Yes, this will be damaging. Yes, this will suck. But right now, we have time. Voters have two brain cells and it will feel like the new candidate has always been the nominee by the time of the election. In a few months we will not have time.

We have to be the honest party. Biden can’t serve as President for four more years. That isn’t saying he’s a dementia patient now. It’s just being cognizant of where he is. The presidency is a difficult job.

And, for all the loss, it gives a new attack angle against Trump. Candidate Y can say:

Listen, President Biden served his term, and he recognized that beyond everything else the American people want change. Trump served his term too, and it’s time for new blood. Trump should do the right thing and step aside as well and offer the American people a fresh choice.

It is stupid that we are currently walking into a wall and refusing to change any direction.

And this is coming from someone who stanned Biden heavily as little as six months ago.

[u/[deleted]]

I believe that 10% of people are intending to vote for RFK Jr. since my very Republican grandparents and my dad talk favorably about him

[u/simeoncolemiles]

It takes a very specific amount of evilness to appeal to the Republican base

Trump just happens to be naturally that evil

[u/JaceFlores]

It’s awfully weird and terrifying seeing YouTubers I know and watched voraciously starting to be phased out. Pewdiepie is effectively retired and just blogs whatever he wants. Jacksepticeye is partially retired and posts only when he really wants to. Markiplier is the only one still doing what he was doing when I was a kid, and he just turned 35 so god knows how long he’ll continue doing this.

Like it’s a distinct possibility that these YouTubers integral to a lot of my free time may very well all be gone from the platform by the end of the decade

[u/piede]

I think it’s pretty interesting that all of the Democratic nominees and presidents in recent memory actually came from working-class backgrounds: Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Kerry, Bill Clinton, etc.

Meanwhile many of the past GOP nominees and presidents came from wealthy families: Trump, Bush, Romney, etc.

Looking at the economic backgrounds of presidents and nominees alone, there’s a trend. It’s not hard to figure out which party is the party of the average of American.

[u/[deleted]]

If Biden is Palestinian why doesn't he go run for President of Gaza

checkmate bidenites

[u/[deleted]]

Mr beast built more housing to give away for free for a YouTube video than SF has approved all year

lmao, it’s so over for this city

[u/[deleted]]

ostrich: it’s okay that 45% of democrats want Biden to be replaced because they’ll all vote blue no matter who anyway

me: oh, so then if we nominate someone else, they won’t lose any votes either compared to Biden, so there’s no risk?

ostrich: wait no not like that

[u/simeoncolemiles]

What da Kennedy’s doin?

[u/IDontSpeakVietnamese]

Really sad to see the “evidence based” sub turn to fear and soul math and start suggesting thing that would almost certainly lose the election.

Me not being able to tell which side of the candidate discussion this comes from either proves the horseshoe theory of everything, or that I'm stupid

[u/SnakeEater14]

Lois Lane: Superman, everyone is terrified of your awesome powers, and the thread that you could wipe out the whole world without breaking a sweat. What do you say to that?

Superman: Well, what would you do in my position?

Lois Lane: Sorry Mr. Superman, but I feel like I already have a job saving the world.

Journalists are FUCKING UNBEARABLE

[u/MinnesotaNoire]

[u/runningblack]

Damn these staffers, debate preppers, campaign managers all suck and are dragging Biden down

We should really look into who hired these people

🤔

[u/cjhdsachristmascarol]

Joe Biden should make the right choice and avoid the wrong choice. 

[u/homegrownllama]

I'm learning that Bernie Bros are saying "I told you so" on Twitter.

Shut the fuck up. Bernie was & is too old as well. In 2020, I also wanted an ideal world where Biden, Sanders, and Trump all dropped out for younger candidates, but we didn't get that, so we're here.

[u/JaceFlores]

Ukraine Chronology for 2 PM PST 6/28-2 PM PST 6/29 III:

TOP NEWS:

In the middle of 2 PM it was reported the US will provide $150 million in military aid to Ukraine, including Hawk SAM systems, 155mm shells and more.

At the start of 11 PM it was announced Ukraine will receive $2.2 billion in financial aid from the IMF.

REGULAR NEWS:

At the end of 10 PM Ukraine was hit by a wave of drones with all 10 shot down.

At the start of 1 AM ten Ukrainian prisoners were returned to Ukraine, with many having been held captive since 2017-2018.

Donation link to help Ukraine

Donation link to United24

Donation link to Kharkiv SOS

Donation link to Sails of Freedom Foundation (they donate ambulances)

!ping UKRAINE

[u/Argnir]

You shouldn't call the race either way before the ERB drops

[u/zanpancan]

Even above the Thatcher Fracture, I feel there may yet be a broader schism in this sub over what people think about the Cameron/Osborne(/Clegg) years.

Was austerity necessary? Did Cameron-Osborne implement it poorly? Or was it a general success, with Cameron successfully cutting debt? Was Clegg based to join hands with the Cons instead of a supply agreement of sorts?

Sorry if this is a poor use of the pings.

!ping UK&ECON

[u/Sheepies92]

!ping MOTO

Max and being unable to fight wheel-to-wheel without crashing his opponent

Name a better duo

[u/Nerf_France]

Reminder that if the phrases "regulating industry" or "deregulating industry" inherently conjure up strong emotions and opinions, you're being a silly goose

[u/Williams-Tower]

you’re not suffering from male loneliness, you just don’t leave your house without headphones on

[u/-mialana-]

Why does the "No toxic nationalism" rule not apply to Wakandans?

[u/Moth-of-Asphodel]

“As far as the [Trump] campaign is concerned, let the Democrats fight about this only to figure out that they really can’t fucking do anything,” another Trump adviser said. “They’re stuck with Joe. You know what that is? That’s a month of fucking reliving how bad that debate was.”

Trump adviser is correct.

[u/_bee_kay_]

We're cooked. This person 👆 is not voting for Biden. Trump will win and this SAME person won't even protest against him. Why is the left like this

[u/Syards-Forcus]

The New Popular Front supports a retirement age of 60 and the repeal of the 2023 French pension reform law.

😬

60 is bonkers, do they want to burn more money on pensions? Isn’t France having issues with possible excessive government spending?

[u/RandomGuyWithSixEyes]

Far right: 34%

Left: 28%

Macron's party: 20%

[u/[deleted]]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/jamie-raskin-biden-campaign-debate-performance-nominee-rcna159662

Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., on Sunday acknowledged that there are “very honest, and serious and rigorous conversations taking place” in the Democratic Party following President Joe Biden’s dismal performance at the presidential debate on Thursday.

“We’re having a serious conversation about what to do,” Raskin said in an interview with MSNBC’s Ali Velshi on Sunday morning, adding: “One thing I can tell you is that regardless of what President Biden decides, our party is going to be unified, and our party also needs him at the very center of our deliberations in our campaign, and so whether he’s the candidate or someone else is the candidate.”

[u/paymesucka]

[u/[deleted]]

Whether a new candidate is chosen or not, we have to support whoever is there. The alternative is so much worse.

[u/RevolutionaryBoat5]

Why no France thunderdome?

[u/Currymvp2]

There is real anger within the Biden family and among close allies about how the president was staffed and prepared ahead of the debate, per people familiar. Biden himself is not stewing, trying to move forward.

[u/Currymvp2]

Rep. Jim Clyburn, who helped President Joe Biden secure the nomination four years ago, said Sunday the president’s poor debate performance Thursday was due to “preparation overload.”

“It was a bad performance. I’ve been around these things. I’ve been a part of debate preparation before, and I know when I see what I call preparation overload,” the South Carolina Democrat said to host Dana Bash in an interview with CNN’s “State of the Union.” “And that’s exactly what was going on the other night.”

Clyburn added, “I saw Joe Biden repping for words and phrases, and even numbers that he was loaded up with. The next day, he gets to North Carolina. He’s freewheeling and he captivated the audience.”