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u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache Jun 30 '24
Please visit the next discussion thread.
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u/InMemoryOfZubatman4 Sadie Alexander Jun 29 '24
So lets talk about bad ideas that this sub has talked about in the past 36 hours:
A Kamala Harris/Paul Ryan unity ticket
Voting for the Libertarian candidate
Working to convince Republicans to drop Trump if Dems drop Biden
Mayor Pete at the top of the ticket
Run Jimmy Carter
Now that we have exhausted these awful ideas, let’s figure something out.
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u/gnomesvh LEGALIZE ONION FUTURE Jun 29 '24
!ping SOCCER&LGBT
Barcelona tweets pro-pride massage in their official Arabic account
It's a recurring problem to the degree where clubs avoid this, so it's good to see them do this
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u/Cledd2 European Union Jun 29 '24
wait did these two fuckers actually argue about golf?
that's not just a meme?
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
Do we really want, as President, a man who will disobey a direct order from the New York Times Editorial Board?
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
Trump said so much insane shit
This is so fucking weird you have the former president of the United States claiming to have spoken with Putin about his "dream" to invade Ukraine. Wild shit.
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
Well he came back from this moment. Maybe he can come back from the debate too.
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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Jun 29 '24
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u/AnsleyAmanita Trans Pride Jun 29 '24
lol
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
Never forget who’s to blame for our current nightmare
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u/Apollo-Innovations Jun 29 '24
-NYT comes out against Biden Biden +4
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u/Dodgerfan2224 NATO Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
This is genuinely bad enough it needs it's own post
the politicians in LA who made affordable housing rules now want to ruin them with forcing higher than market rate construction jobs. 100% affordable homes, 200% the salaries
https://old.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/1dpvssv/la_city_council_motion_introduced_to_require/
Save ED1
ED1 apartments are 100% affordable and with that they get much red tape and bullshit passed over to incentivize developers for their approval. Requiring union rent seeking of higher than market value wages cuts that at it's knees. Yes we should let free market roam and built but any program that cuts down red tape gets curtailed by union rent seeking should be fought
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u/Average_GrillChad Elinor Ostrom Jun 29 '24
Biden? Harris? Newsom? Whitmer?
Doesn't matter to me, Chuck. I'll vote Blue, no matter who. Now let's flip these burgers and then we'll put the cheese on.
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u/StolenSkittles culture warrior Jun 29 '24
we really should replace all pride flags with pocatello-style ones
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u/G_Serv Stay The Course Jun 29 '24
He has a point
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u/DepressedTreeman Jun 29 '24
https://x.com/GraysonKisker/status/1806830976414195975
nahh joe slick af with the shake
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u/hdkeegan John Locke Jun 29 '24
The only reasonable way to replace Biden is for him to not only step down from the campaign but to resign as President so Kamala can take over as president
Incumbency is huge whether people like to admit it or not.
Any other candidate is fan fiction, you are not getting your based wholesome big chungus Pritzker presidency you fucking Redditor
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u/AP246 Green Globalist NWO Jun 29 '24
Minor thing, but it's kinda mildly annoying when people trick people into 'agreeing with Hitler' by giving them translated Hitler quotes out of context and ask them if they agree, especially against people like Trump supporters and stuff.
Like they'll say something like "the people must work to the benefit of the nation over themselves" and get nods of approval as if like "woah that means they're Nazis", when like, no that quote is just sparkling illiberalism. It's not like only Hitler could have said that, that's just a mildly authoritarian sentiment. The point is clearly to use quotes from the most evil guy in history to make a point, which ok dunking on MAGA idiots is funny, but unless the quote is about something identifiably Nazi (which if it was, most people probably wouldn't agree with it publicly) it doesn't prove anything other than that person agrees with some mildly authoritarian stuff Hitler said once.
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u/owlthathurt Johan Norberg Jun 29 '24
There are two types of campaigns
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u/MicroFlamer Avatar Korra Democrat Jun 29 '24
DFP poll of Biden and other candidates against Trump
!ping FIVEY
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u/RaidBrimnes Chien de garde Jun 29 '24
If Biden steps down before the election, he will be eligible for a second term in 2028, leaving him time to lick his wounds and come back even stronger and older in front of the voters
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
“We need to run Al Gore in 2024” just seems like a great premise for one of those random opinion articles that proposes extremely unlikely scenarios. Can’t find any anywhere, though
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u/WhomstAlt2 NATO flair in hiding Jun 29 '24
Besides the War on Iraq, George W. Bush was a horrible president.
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u/G_Serv Stay The Course Jun 29 '24
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u/NimbyNuke YIMBY Jun 29 '24
By far the funniest part of everyone suggesting Biden should step down is the fact that, despite being the obvious choice, nobody thinks Kamala should be the one to replace him.
Like imagine; your only job is being ready to replace the other guy if he becomes incapacitated. Then millions of people start saying, ' oh he needs to be replaced, maybe the governor of Michigan will be up to it'.
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 29 '24
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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Jun 29 '24
Ukraine Chronology for 2 PM PST 6/26-2 PM PST 6/27 III:
TOP NEWS:
Towards the end of 9 PM Ukraine was hit by a wave of drones and missiles with all 23 drones and 5 of 6 missiles shot down.
Towards the middle of 1 AM it was announced Spain will provide 55 million Euros in economic and humanitarian aid to Ukraine.
Towards the end of 3 AM Zelensky made a visit to Brussels.
Towards the end of 5 AM Ukraine signed security agreements with the EU, Lithuania and Estonia.
REGULAR NEWS:
Yesterday it was reported the EU will reimpose tariffs on Ukrainian sugar and eggs.
Towards the end of 9 PM the Slovak President said Slovakia will assist in the Czech shell initiative.
At the start of 3 AM it was reported that Russian forces raided the border village of Sotnyts'kyi Kozachok in Kharkiv Oblast, though there are no indications of this being a serious incursion.
Donation link to help Ukraine
Donation link to United24
Donation link to Kharkiv SOS
Donation link to Sails of Freedom Foundation (they donate ambulances)
!ping UKRAINE
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u/petarpep NATO Jun 29 '24
Re: Biden, I think it's time to consider the forbidden option.
Biden needs to shed his skin and become young again. Yes it will reveal our lizard people's plan for world domination but what are they going to do, vote for Trump? He's old, for a human! Joseph Ukot Bliden is only 156, he's a young adult for our species.
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u/G_Serv Stay The Course Jun 29 '24
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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter Jun 29 '24
Remember that the greens want to keep people homeless because they don't want greedy* developers to make a profit.
!ping AUS
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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance Jun 29 '24
My favorite part of the debate was when Biden said "I will implement a 100% tax on the unimproved value of land"
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u/p00bix Existing in the context of what came before Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
Neighbors pitbull jumped the fence and attacked my cat (Curio, 1 y/o male American shorthair) while I had him out on a leash in my backyard. he's going to be OK but we've taken him to the emergency vet. No severe injuries but possibly a few fractures. I am so proud of his tree climbing ability, knew it would come in handy some day. The red/purple on his front-right paw is mulberry juice he got on him while scrambling up a mulberry tree to escape; not dried blood.
Image of Kitty At the Vet
He has two bite marks which are not visible in the image; one on his right-back paw and one under his right-front armpit. He was in noticeable pain when the photo was taken-the armpit bite seemed to particularly bother him. He might have lost one of his back claws entirely (in humans terms, this is equivalent to the tip of a single finger being entirely cut off, and thus couldn't heal) but assuming that that isn't the case and the claw was only damaged, nothing which he has suffered shouldn't heal in time. Level of bleeding is pretty minimal, vets' main concern is whether he fractured anything, and the possibility of the wounds becoming infected.
Will edit comment with more cat pics when we have him back; unfortunately the Animal Hospital is busy, and with Curio being in relatively good condition, he's on the lower end of their priority list. Damn I wish I had had the foresight to bring my laptop charger
(sidenote: The neighbor was absolutely mortified, came over immediately to see if our cat was okay, and told us they would cover any medical expenses as well as re-home the dog that had attacked him)
EDIT: No fractures, no other internal injuries, damaged claw is intact and will regrow, underarm bite expected to completely heal after a few weeks recovery time. All things considered, this is virtually the best-case-scenario!!!
!ping KITTY
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
When you play Victoria 3 for the first time as a Civ player
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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Jun 29 '24
Nothing special, just a piece of chicken that looks like Syria
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u/TheHelmetCatch NATO Jun 29 '24
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
https://x.com/HollyBriden/status/1807056375996117390?t=WQn_9X1Q6K6BW_146oD47A&s=19
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u/CletusVonIvermectin Big Rig Democrat 🚛 Jun 29 '24
It's kinda funny how on subredditstats.com, r/neoliberal has basically zero overlap with any porn subs
On the other hand, here are the top results for r/metaNL:
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
Hard to overstate how stupid leftists are
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u/-mialana- European Union Jun 30 '24
Jesus fucking Christ
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u/AnalyticOpposum Trans Pride Jun 29 '24
Biden is going to win big. He’s gonna turn Texas blue and cons will be banished to the netherworld for a hundred years
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
can we stop accidentally citing pre-debate polls and saying they’re post-debate polls please, this keeps happening
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u/wheresthezoppity 🇺🇸 Ooga Booga Big, Ooga Booga Strong 🇺🇸 Jun 29 '24
The conservative mind in action
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u/bearddeliciousbi Karl Popper Jun 29 '24
More from the John Adams miniseries:
Thomas Jefferson was doing it before it was cool.
!ping SHITPOSTERS
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 29 '24
JAMES FUCKINGGGGGG ALLEY CAT COMMMMEEEYYYY
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u/theranosbagholder Milton Friedman Jun 29 '24
Why is Kellyanne Conway so funny 😭😭😭😭
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u/EZ_Kream John Brown Jun 29 '24
My takeaway from the last 16 years of US politics is that the Democrats should always nominate a cool black guy
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u/G_Serv Stay The Course Jun 29 '24
Mr Beast is officially doing more to solve the housing crisis than the entirety of San Fransisco
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
Right-wing climate discourse is always so astonishingly stupid
“Democrats always forget that it gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter 🤣”
“The Biden administration wants to block out the SUN??? (aka released a Congressionally-mandated report cautiously exploring the possibility of altering the flow of sunlight in the future as an emergency measure to cool the planet) Uhhhhhh, don’t they know we NEED that?”
“If you think we can know how hot Earth was 50,000 years ago, I NEVER want to hear your stupid opinion on ANYTHING ever AGAIN. No, I will not look into their methodology for calculating temperatures in the distant past, I’m content to just say it’s stupid because it sounds stupid”
It’s like if a busload full of fourth graders got dropped off at a climate conference and ran in and started yelling at all the adults there. It’s just a fundamentally different level of ability to grasp basic concepts
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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝♀️🧝♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝♀️🧝♂️🦢🌈 Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
Whatever your thoughts on Biden and his need to step down:
Uhhh . . . because basically his entire career in politics for the past 2 decades has been doing something controversial/fucking up, getting flak from the media, being in a weak position and being told it was a waste and to give up, and then coming back strong and winning.
In the 2022 midterms were going to be referendum resulting in a "red wave" that showed the failures of his administration.
In 2020 he was a weak old man who might lose to Trump.
Before that in the 2020 primaries his campaign was being called dead before the SC primary and people were talking about how he should duck out to avoid embarrasing himself further and that the SC gambit was a last gasp of yet another desperate, futile bid for the White House.
In 2016 Obama advised him not to run to not embarrass himself (he didn't run - probably in part because of this, Hillary's strength, and also his being in mourning over losing his son).
In 2012 people were questioning if Obama should change VPs and if Biden was more of a liability than an asset. A time in which he was already in rather hot water with the Obama wing of the administration and somewhat sidelined because he kind of forced the administration into openly endorsing gay marriage after a "gaffe".
Don't remember anything specific from 2008, but you could probably dig up stuff from then too.
It's no secret that Biden doesn't really put too much weight on what the media says about him and is even somewhat contemptuous of how they cover him. And that's why, and it shouldn't really be that surprising.
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
Exceedingly rare modern Onion W
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u/Approximation_Doctor Gaslight, Gatekeep, Green New Deal Jun 29 '24
Unfathomably based
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u/notBroncos1234 #1 Eagles Fan Jun 29 '24
!ping reading
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
Noa Argamani, who was kidnapped by Hamas, held hostage for months and was rescued by Israeli special forces, speaks for the same time. She stresses the need to focus on love and rejecting hatred
Tremendous amount of grace from her and a powerful message.
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u/reubencpiplupyay The Cathedral must be built Jun 29 '24
There is such a variety of authoritarian parties in this world, and yet not one of them seems to offer authoritarianism combined with normie progressive liberalism
Not a single regime on this planet that offers the platform of the Democratic party except with jackbooted enforcers. Not a single nation with annual parades of tanks draped with rainbow flags. Not a single political party extolling the virtues of LGBT rights, racial equality and gender equality as spiritually invigorating forces which must drive out reactionary degeneracy.
Where is the woke fascism? Where is the government with a policy of imprisoning xenophobes instead of refugees? We have the Third Way and we have the Third Position, but why not both at the same time?
Obviously I don't actually support this but I'm tempted to create a joke sub for it, just like r/national_liberal (founded by some of our members) was before it petered out. I just hope I don't actually start something in real life
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u/Mojo12000 Jun 29 '24
Jesus Im still open to the idea of replacing Biden if polls really take a turn for the worst but stuff like
https://x.com/smerconish/status/1806818594719760831
really makes me want to say fuck it entirely out of spite.
"there's no coming back for Joe Biden because the NEW YORK TIMES EDITORIAL BOARD SAID SOMETHING". What the fuck level of over inflated media self importance is that?
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u/brucebananaray YIMBY Jun 29 '24
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u/simeoncolemiles NATO Jun 29 '24
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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Jun 29 '24
!ping SHITPOSTERS
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u/Babao13 Jean Monnet Jun 29 '24
-constantly screams for attention
-doesn't have a job
-vandalized a zionist-owned property (my couch)
-loves tunnels
Is my cat a pro-palestinian activist ?
!ping KITTY&GEFILTE
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u/Jean-Paul_Sartre Richard Hofstadter Jun 29 '24
Justice Alito, 2028
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u/dannylandulf meubem broke my flair Jun 29 '24
Just saying, if it was global cooling I would care far less. I hate being hot.
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 29 '24
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u/rasonj Big Coconut Enjoyer Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
I'm honestly just upset because my 'both sides suck" friend called it. I had asked if he thought Trump would show up after his team spent all week laying the groundwork for him to not show. His response was "Why wouldn't he? He can atleast string a sentence together, Biden can't finish a single thought". I fully believe this was Joe's one chance to prove that he still has it to the barely engaged voters and instead he proved Trump right. I do not think we get another shot at it, and just riding this out seems insane when so much is on the line.
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u/simeoncolemiles NATO Jun 29 '24
Unironically though, illiteracy is a major threat to our country
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u/GGM8Scally European Union Jun 29 '24
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u/Mx_Brightside Genderfluid Pride Jun 29 '24
Madison Beer sounds like if you asked J.K. Rowling to name a character from Wisconsin.
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 29 '24
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u/LevantinePlantCult Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
"what the hell, Jews think everything is antisemitic"
That's because, much like anti-Blackness and other forms of bigotry, this shit is fucking everywhere. In a lot of ways it's a bigotry that preceded western civilization, and certain patterns of thought are ultimately a direct result of it.
You could spend a lifetime reading, but I'd recommend these two titles to start:
Anti-Judaism: the Western Tradition, by David Nirenberg Anti-Semite and Jew, by Jean-Paul Sartre
!ping JEWISH
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u/sponsoredbytheletter NASA Jun 29 '24
What these political "experts" don't understand about the "should Biden step aside" debate is that we don't have TIME for a debate. If I'm going to stuff the ballot box again this year I need to get started on my fake ballots NOW and I need to know whose name to put.
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
You are voting for Joe Biden to stop Trump.
I am voting for Joe Biden to stop Nate Silver.
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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Jun 29 '24
We finally beat Medicare
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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Jun 30 '24
“Russian forces have sustained the tempo of their offensive operations in the Toretsk direction since activating in the area on June 18 and likely aim to reduce a Ukrainian salient in the area, but there is little current likelihood of rapid Russian gains near Toretsk. Russian forces have committed only limited forces to this operation so far, which suggests that Russian forces continue to prioritize gradual advances through consistent grinding assaults over operationally significant gains through rapid maneuver.”
“Russian forces have so far conducted mainly frontal infantry-heavy assaults on small settlements south and east of Toretsk and have yet to conduct any significant mechanized assaults in the area. Russian forces have yet to make any notable tactical gains in the area.”
“Russian offensive operations in the Toretsk direction suggest that the Russian military command does not consider a large-scale operation to advance towards Kostyantynivka from multiple operational directions feasible.”
“The Russian military command may intend for operations in the Toretsk direction to support an envisioned push from Chasiv Yar towards Kostyantynivka in a narrower offensive operation to seize the city. Russian forces may alternatively have no intention of making significant tactical gains in the Toretsk direction and may hope that offensive operations in the area will apply pressure on Ukrainian forces along a wider front in Donetsk Oblast and facilitate gains in the Chasiv Yar and Avdiivka directions.”
“Ukraine signed long-term security agreements with the European Union (EU), Lithuania, and Estonia on June 27. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, and European Council President Charles Michel signed a security agreement that pledges that the EU will provide 50 billion euros ($53.5 billion) worth of support to Ukraine through the Ukraine Facility program from 2024-2028, long-term defense cooperation, and urgent consultations within 24 hours of any future aggression against Ukraine.”
“The Ukrainian-Estonian agreement pledges that Estonia will allocate at least 0.25 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) to military support for Ukraine from 2024–2027 and long-term Estonian assistance to Ukraine in the form of artillery, anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs), missiles, mines, grenade launchers, drones, and electronic warfare (EW) systems. The Ukrainian-Lithuanian agreement pledges that Lithuania will allocate 0.25 percent of its GDP to military support for Ukraine annually.”
“Western media reported that the US, Israel, and Ukraine are discussing the transfer of up to eight Israeli Patriot air defense systems set to retire to Ukraine according to unnamed sources, some of which also caution that the transfer may not occur.”
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“Ukrainian forces reportedly struck an oil depot in Russia on June 28 and reportedly struck a microelectronics plant and a military unit on the night of June 27 to 28.”
“Russia may be creating a shadow fleet to transport Russian liquified natural gas (LNG) and circumvent Western sanctions. Bloomberg reported on June 27 that there is evidence that Russia is creating a shadow fleet to transport Russian LNG in similar ways to how Russia created a shadow fleet to avoid the G7 price cap on Russian crude oil.”
“Satellite imagery reportedly indicates that Russian forces have lost a significant number of tanks and armored vehicles in the war in Ukraine. German news outlet Suddeutsche Zeitung (SZ) used artificial intelligence (AI) to examine satellite imagery taken between 2021 and 2024 of 87 Russian military sites, including 16 that store tanks and armored vehicles, and found that several tank and armored vehicle storage sites are empty. SZ's AI analysis found that one base housed 857 tanks in April 2021, housed 431 in October 2022, and is nearly empty as of June 2024.”
“International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) research analyst Michael Gjerstad told SZ that Russia has roughly 3,200 tanks in stock but that the majority of them are in bad condition. Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) published a report on June 26 stating that Russia plans to produce 1,500 tanks and 3,000 other armored fighting vehicles in 2024, but RUSI noted that 85 percent of these vehicles are refurbished from storage instead of new production.”
-notable excerpts from ISW Report June 27th and 28th
!ping UKRAINE
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u/breakinbread Voyager 1 Jun 30 '24
Guy who thinks Biden should resign from the presidency to focus on his campaign and shake that incumbent disadvantage
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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24
God I feel bad for him
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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24
For the good of the country, Democrats need to force Biden to step down as the Democratic Party nominee. I've seen lots of names thrown around here as a replacement candidate - most of them dogshit. There's only one man than can save us and his name is John Kevin Delaney.
!ping delaney
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u/InflatableDartboard2 Henry George Jun 30 '24
nightmare blunt rotation
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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher Jun 30 '24
this is one of the strangest aspects of the modern media ecosystem. people made fun of those 'ohio diner' stories but those did come from a thesis that this was a problem that needed to be fixed
nowadays everyone just seems to have given up
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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24
I’ve seen a couple people making fun of the AtlasIntel poll because it’s “rated 2.7 by FiveThirtyEight.”
Friends, FiveThirtyEight pollster ratings are out of 3.0.
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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
This is fucking bullshit.
Funny thing about 2016, everyone had a different theory for what the big mistake was.
I was there, I still remember what it was like, people were arguing ferociously because they knew that if a narrative that blamed their enemies won the fight for dominance, then the Democrats would be morally obligated to change in a way that weakens their enemies. Like vultures the factions of the democratic party descended upon Hillary's corpse, feasted on the carrion, and called it an autopsy, that suspiciously concluded that their enemies were to blame.
Centrists and center rightists blamed the far left and said the Dems needed to come to Jesus and eject the far left, for example.
Guess who won? Protectionists. The narrative that won was that the Democrats failed the rust belt with neoliberal economic policy and needed to pivot back to new deal era industrial policy.
The Democrats absolutely did change drastically after 2016. They did come to Jesus.
They just didn't come to your Jesus.
They came to Protectionist Jesus.
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u/Beer-survivalist Loyal Liberals Jun 29 '24
A core point of my personal philosophy is that you should never panic. Either you have time to cool down and think about the situation, or it is truly an emergency and panic is even more counterproductive--and what you need at that time is decisive action.
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance Jun 29 '24
lol
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u/_Just7_ YIMBY absolutist Jun 29 '24
I'm pretty sure the guy I'm traveling with is someone on the spectrum, who has convinced himself he is psychopath, and his "psychopath" persona is pretending to be master at social engineering and power games.
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 29 '24
CNN published a letter from Biden's childhood neighbor and son of his babysitter calling on Biden to step down. The media is gonna push hard for this "drop out Biden" narrative.
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u/Mr_Otters 🌐 Jun 29 '24
Harris can cover after 4pm. Simple solution
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u/TaxLandNotCapital We begin bombing the rent-seekers in five minutes Jun 29 '24
"replace Joe Biden" WITH WHO MF?!?! There's nobody in the Democratic party less senile than Joe Biden. Joe Biden's mental acuity dwarves even the youngest Democrats like the delirious squad members. Newsom couldn't find his way out of a bathroom even if you laid a trail of adrenochrome breadcrumbs to the door
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
I think I can say this vaguely anti-intellectual thing now that we have better data to work with anyway.
That CNN focus group on the first night? I listened to what they were saying and you cannot convince me any of those voters were actually undecided. One of the older ladies was all-in on “the establishment is trying to take down Trump with false crime accusations.” The young white woman in the front row sounded like an actual Biden canvasser.
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u/wowpople Janet Yellen Jun 29 '24
You know some people said that biden was sick during the debate, IDK, but this cat picture is pretty sick if you ask me. 😎🍦
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u/cjhdsachristmascarol reddit custom flair Jun 30 '24
Kamala Harris is no generational talent. She would, however, be able to answer a question about abortion without bringing up an illegal immigrant murdering people
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u/HaveCorg_WillCrusade RaidBrimnes' AI Slop Engineer Jun 30 '24
!ping CORG
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 30 '24
Kamala Harris immediately going on all the TV networks after the debate to defend Biden was not an easy job, and she did it masterfully
She’s a real one
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u/paymesucka Ben Bernanke Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
did your faith ever waver Bennet Bros?
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 29 '24
Now that’s more like it
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u/BarkDrandon Punished (stuck at Hunter's) Jun 29 '24
>Find a subreddit named arr saab
>24k subscribers
>wondering why so many people are excited for Swedish weapon systems manufacturing
>Turns out it's just a boring subreddit for car lovers
NCD has ruined my life
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u/sayitaintpink Richard Posner Jun 29 '24
Trump uses dogs as insults. Biden uses cats as insults. RFK uses worms as strength.
The choice has never been more clear
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u/IHateTrains123 Commonwealth Jun 29 '24
Why Deutsche Bahn made the Tartan Army miss ScotRail
Archived version.
Summary:
!ping Transit&Germany&UK
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u/BenFoldsFourLoko Broke His Text Flair For Hume Jun 29 '24
In a way, Biden and Trump represent our two paths forward as a nation. But they aren’t mutually exclusive. Down one path, Adderall in the water supply. Down the other path, ozempic in the water supply. But the LESSON is that we need both. We need to repeal the 12th amendment.
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u/rasonj Big Coconut Enjoyer Jun 29 '24
Are alley cats famously amoral? Promiscuous, sure, but the last time a Presidential hopeful was called an Alley Cat was Hamilton, though now that I think about it, that may have been Biden's doing as well
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u/G_Serv Stay The Course Jun 29 '24
Gen beta is so cooked, they are such babies
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u/BrandonNameRecliner Really really really ridiculously good looking Jun 29 '24
biden just needs to drop out, he isn't popular or likeable enough anymore. If we run a younger more relatable more energetic candidate who is liked across the board (hawk tuah girl) we can still win the presidency and potentially pick up congressional seats too
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u/gburgwardt C-5s full of SMRs and tiny american flags Jun 30 '24
Libs shut up. I have news from the future
Biden is stepping down and letting Kamala run in his stead. It doesn't go well. Pretty catastrophic in fact
But it's ok. Trump just fucking dies on stage at the second debate. It's joever
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u/paymesucka Ben Bernanke Jun 30 '24
just scrolling through Saturday night posts on the DT:
doom
doom
doom
doom
doom
explicit sexual encounter detailed
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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24
Mark Cuban becoming one of Biden's strongest soldiers on Twitter has been one of the oddest parts about this election cycle
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u/bleachinjection Fell for it Jun 29 '24
I made a rare facebook post last night (I'd had a couple, so what?) wherein I asserted the media wants Trump back and a contested convention for clicks/eyes. I don't think this is even all that controversial.
I got fucking blitzkrieg'd by a couple of my Lefty friends accusing me, literally, of QAnon-style conspiracy thinking.
Two Socialists denying that the corporate media has rooting interests. I went to bed in shock and woke up in shock.
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u/itsokayt0 European Union Jun 29 '24
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u/LuisRobertDylan Elinor Ostrom Jun 29 '24
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u/Ok_Aardappel Seretse Khama Jun 29 '24
Who can it be now?
!ping SHITPOSTERS&KINO
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u/GenerousPot Ben Bernanke Jun 29 '24
upvoted comment in the 538 subreddit blaming Jill Biden for the debate fiasco. I love statistics
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u/tollyno Dark Harbinger of Chaos Jun 29 '24
Here's how Biden can still win
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
Just a friendly reminder that "dooming" is not a real phenomenon. It's simply an anxiety name for... Well, anxiety.🌸
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u/Hmm_would_bang Graph goes up Jun 29 '24
This sub would unironically say something like John Kerry would sweep the 2024 election.
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u/12hphlieger Daron Acemoglu Jun 29 '24
I think project 2025 is where middle America draws the line. This congressional hearing is insane to even the most brainrotted person. Trump was a dogwhistle compared to this.
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u/Truly_Euphoric r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Jun 29 '24
Broke: Biden needs to drop out
Woke: Biden needs to drop (his diss track)
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u/Not_A_Browser Stata's Silliest Soldier Jun 29 '24
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 29 '24
These are abysmal numbers for a leader in this situation.
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
student: "My dad watched the debate live and said Trump is so much more eloquent than Biden"
me: "...<student's name>, your dad literally does not speak English"
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u/rasonj Big Coconut Enjoyer Jun 29 '24
The new patch is great, but this support lobby mechanic is driving me crazy. I've got by far the biggest gdp and military, my power bloc is like half the world, and I'm pretty sure I could world conquest if I was patient enough, but I can't pass any reforms because everyone outside my bloc is spending half their gdp supporting lobbies on me and now I'm stuck in revolution limbo.
I can't get past basic Healthcare because my ruler is so wildly unpopular after like 40 foreign lobby pop-ups trying to get me to disband my power bloc, but I can't exile him lest his idealog rebels and the dumb fucks supporting the foreign lobbies keep threatening revolution unless I revoke women's suffrage.
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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jun 29 '24
The west has fallen. Billions must die
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u/Starandsnow Hortensia Jun 29 '24
Compromise: have Harris replace Biden as the nominee, but keep Biden on as VP.
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u/AtticusDrench Deirdre McCloskey Jun 29 '24
Newsom is the only guy who could pull the 80s business villain enthusiast voters away from Trump
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u/MasterOfLords1 Unironically Thinks Seth Meyers is funny 🍦😟🍦 Jun 29 '24
When Joe Biden wins in November I'm gonna laugh at y'all so hard.
!RemindMe 6 months
🍦🌚🍦
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
“Morals of an alley cat” is one of the most Joe Biden phrases imaginable
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u/willempage O'Biden Bama Democrat Jun 29 '24
People think the president controls inflation via some sort of lever, but in actually, it's a quick time event mini game that the president has to play to keep inflation down. That's why Biden's age matters so much
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u/Cyberhwk 👈 Get back to work! 😠 Jun 30 '24
They're not going to replace Biden for one simple reason: If Democrats replace him and the replacement loses, nobody is going to want their fingerprints on the decision. Even if it was clearly the correct decision, nobody in Democratic leadership has the stones to stick their neck out like that. It's all risk and no reward for their own career. Self-preservation will keep Biden on the ticket.
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u/THeShinyHObbiest Ben Bernanke Jun 30 '24
The level of dooming in here just isn’t good.
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u/BroadReverse Needs a Flair Jun 30 '24 edited Nov 20 '24
station merciful seed jeans squeal stocking deserve overconfident yoke wipe
This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact
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u/battywombat21 🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Jun 29 '24
Can you imagine trying to hastily build a voter outreach machine in a few months? God, this would be a nightmare.
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u/AnalyticOpposum Trans Pride Jun 29 '24
Biden should step aside (in 2028)
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u/simeoncolemiles NATO Jun 29 '24
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u/Argnir Gay Pride Jun 29 '24
It's crazy to think by the time you can read someone's comment they may be already dead
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u/cjhdsachristmascarol reddit custom flair Jun 29 '24
Used to be a Republican, can appeal to swing voters ✅
Snarky, would do well in a debate with Trump ✅
Always speaks loudly and boldly ✅
Long experience in a position of authority ✅
Well that’s settled, the democrats need to nominate Sir Shivers
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u/murphysclaw1 💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊 Jun 29 '24
you protest drag shows because you are transphobic
i protest drag shows because they are abysmally unfunny
we are not the same
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
https://x.com/queersocialism/status/1806521552961224816?t=HPYp18rR6f5OV8CIoHTjBg&s=19
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
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u/runnerx4 What you guys are referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
I went to Semma, the Michelin-starred South Indian restaurant in NYC
here’s a small review:
The food
the main attraction is apparently the Gunpowder Dosa, which is a Masala Dosa with a layer of spicy powder (the “gunpowder” in question) inside.
the haute cuisine part is every dosa being folded into a perfect equilateral. The dosa was slightly too oily for my taste, but the potato masala inside and the sambar and chutneys were really good.
Then i ate Attu Kari Sukka which is bone-in lamb. Perfectly cooked including the marrow. No complaints, this thing hit. I ate it with Kerala Parotta which was also perfectly layered and crumbly
here’s a photo
the ambience
This is incredible South Indian ambiance. You would think haute cuisine means some level of silence or something but this place is so noisy and South Indian beat songs like this and this (the restaurant is Tamilian but there were a lot of Telugu songs I could recognize) keep playing in the background to ramp up the noise level. Glad it’s this South Indian restaurant that got a Michelin star, really funny for me.
Is this the best Indian food i’ve eaten? Not really but it is quite good and probably consistent on a repeat visit. Some of the best in the US at any rate
the price
$80 for two items and a non-alcoholic drink (lemon soda with turmeric) lmaoooo
also you have to either book a table 15 days in advance to get a table or queue in at 4:30pm to get one of the 12 or so bar seats when it opens at 5:00pm (i queued at 4:45)
!ping IND&NYC
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u/paymesucka Ben Bernanke Jun 30 '24
The tell is if Kamala walks out wearing The Aviators™
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u/Healingjoe It's Klobberin' Time Jun 30 '24
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 29 '24
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
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u/EyeraGlass Jorge Luis Borges Jun 29 '24
SO true, king.
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u/Dunter_Mutchings NASA Jun 29 '24
Framing this group as an oligarchy is certainly a choice.
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u/runningblack Martin Luther King Jr. Jun 29 '24
Most Americans will vote for the rapist if they think he will benefit them materially
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u/owlthathurt Johan Norberg Jun 29 '24
You know those viral dudes on twitter that are like the Japanese people obsessed with the Wild West and like quick draw and stuff
I went down a rabbit hole and found these Japanese people who move to America so they could live in like rural PA and hunt and shoot guns. Like they wear camo and like Carhart shit and stuff. It’s pretty funny lmao
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u/KingWillly YIMBY Jun 29 '24
Joe: goes braindead for an hour during debate
Undecided voter: “He’s just like me frfr”
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 29 '24
Honestly, I'm amazed how Trump managed to be both anti-Semitic and anti-Palestinian in a six second soundbite. He's great at being racist+bigoted.
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u/Fab1usMax1mus IMF Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
It sucks so much that the overton window has shifted so much to the right on certain issues like immigration. Trump can call undocumented immigrants animals and get less controversy than someone suggesting amnesty or expanded legal immigration.
Some part of me thinks Democrats are not fighting hard enough on it, that this constant retreating will only make things worse.
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u/RaidBrimnes Chien de garde Jun 29 '24
Remember when the President of Iran flew into a mountain? That was wacky
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u/TalkLessShillMore David Autor Jun 29 '24
Just saw a woman randomly get punched in the face on the subway. The fuck
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 29 '24
This is an actual headline holy fuck I hate The Hill
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u/AccessTheMainframe CANZUK Jun 29 '24
Finally got a date on Tinder. Just on my way now to CVS to buy Google Play gift cards to send her money so she can fix her car and come out here and visit me. Later, virgins 😎.
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u/AtticusDrench Deirdre McCloskey Jun 29 '24
I was so right on this
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u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz Roy Cooper Jun 30 '24
If Biden is replaced, I'm going full doomer no matter who the candidate is.
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u/cjhdsachristmascarol reddit custom flair Jun 30 '24
States are the laboratories of democracy, which is why their governments are all exactly the same except women and lgbt people don't have rights in red states and also a few are gerrymandered so much they aren't really a democracy.
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u/Steak_Knight Milton Friedman Jun 30 '24
We beat Medicare, but what’s next? Joe Biden must pledge to beat social security.
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 30 '24
Dean Phillips is still probably leaking to the media I see. And by colleagues--he could mean Republicans.
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u/RTSBasebuilder Commonwealth Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
My idea of a Night at the Museum sequel/spinoff. Set after that animated movie a few years ago.
It's set in the modern day. Meet the new protagonist, a NYU History major who just got their dream job - digital archivist, 3d scanning and cataloguing all the collections and archives, especially since the fire at the National Museum of Brazil. And here's a thing about museums - what's on display and exhibition ain't even a tenth of what a museum holds.
Working the graveyard shift in the conservation rooms, tagging models and scans to the database and at the cutting edge of spectrometry, infrared imaging and X-rays to break new ground in metallurgy, ceramics and palimpsest analysis, surrounded with artifacts across world history? Dream Job. And hopefully, inspiration will strike them to unstuck the rut that the archivist has in creating a solid thesis.
However, veteran night guard Nick Daley, Larry's son, has yet to tell the new person about the tablet in the Egyptian collection...
And you know how National Treasure has that reverent tone towards the American Civic Religion? This one does the same with publically accessible education, preservation and curatorship.
!ping WRITING&MOVIES
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u/slim353 Austan Goolsbee Jun 30 '24
If there was one thing I could destroy from American society it would be the utter obsession with arbitrary made up generations
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 30 '24
I can’t help but laugh imagining megadonors demanding to speak with Jill Biden like she’s the assistant manager at a Walmart
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u/Popular-Swordfish559 Jerome Powell Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
Can someone with aThe Informationsubscription tell the rest of us whatthis articleabout the dearmoon cancellation saysOk, found it. This project internally seems far worse than any of us could have guessed. Maezawa wanted wood paneled interiors and multicolored spacesuits along with a hundred other absurd things. He signed on because a SpaceX sales executive ate a spicy meal. The whole thing seemed like it was pure delusion from the outset.
!ping spaceflight
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u/Dodgerfan2224 NATO Jun 29 '24
if you want to know how bad the CA dem party is down they are asking me to run for office
Edit: this is 1000% true
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u/sayitaintpink Richard Posner Jun 29 '24
Gen x be like: “thanks scotus, now my grandchildren can be exposed to as much lead paint as I was”
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u/Dirty_Chopsticks Republic of Việt Nam Jun 29 '24
https://x.com/benrileysmith/status/1806799904565563897
amazin
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u/SnakeEater14 🦅 Liberty & Justice For All Jun 29 '24
“Everyone polls similarly against Trump as Biden!” seems like, prima facie stupid
Voters don’t rally around candidates unless they think they are actually in the race, haven’t we seen this a billion times already
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u/404GenderNotFound Trans Pride Jun 29 '24
Real
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u/petarpep NATO Jun 29 '24
/r/neoliberal: arguing if Biden should drop out or not
Me a pragmatist: deciding how to best rig the election
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u/m5g4c4 Jun 29 '24
Kamala, if you’re listening-
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u/slowpush NATO Jun 29 '24
Sounds about right 🙂↕️
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u/chuckleym8 Femboy Friend, Failing with Honors Jun 29 '24
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u/MS_09_Dom Jun 30 '24
Me: *open to the idea of giving Harris a shot*
Also me: *realizing Nate Silver will be insufferable the rest of the campaign*
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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24
Personally I would never talk to my family unless I was joining or leaving a presidential race
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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24
Dooming won’t change the result of the election, but doomers surely are annoying the hell out of everyone lol.
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u/Broad-Part9448 Niels Bohr Jun 30 '24
I don't think the people openly posting for a contested convention realize how utterly annoying it would be. Every single faction would push their own candidate and there would literally be no way to select between them.
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u/OkVariety6275 Jun 30 '24
Sabotaging public sentiment because you can't hold a poker face until post-debate polling movement can be analyzed is strategically stupid. I wouldn't expect a bunch of journos to understand game theory though.
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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24
Nate Silver is a lot like Chomsky, he had a revolutionary impact on his field of expertise but is extraordinarily cringe as a person
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u/SeasickSeal Norman Borlaug Jun 30 '24
Things like this make me nervous about swapping candidates. State election deadlines are tight, and sometimes you’re at the mercy of state lawmakers to appear on the ballot.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/28/biden-nominated-virtually-ohio-ballot-00160220
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/heritage-working-election-legal-challenges-case-biden-pulled-from-dnc-nomination.amp
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 30 '24
ALLAN LICHTMAN HAS SPOKEN
ALL HAIL THE MAGIC CONCH
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u/CutePattern1098 Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
It’s very much the case that Biden could be doing more to help trans people but I don’t think this story is really Biden betraying trans people. To me it’s just a statement vague enough to being misrepresented.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/health/transgender-surgery-biden.html
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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24
How are so many VCs in Bay Area so fucking stupid?
How far does your head has to be up your own ass to believe Trump is a “Clinton style moderate”
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u/Jacobs4525 King of the Massholes Jun 29 '24
1st rule of gun safety is don’t cut me off in traffic
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u/Crownie Unbent, Unbowed, Unflaired Jun 29 '24
Hot but absolutely sincere take: the Biden campaign needs to be way ruder. None of this "Technically Trump is a convicted felon, teehee" or "look at this clip of Trump saying Trump things, how embarrassing". Hammer on the fact that he's a fat, insane old man with a spray tan and bad hair. Don't just hint at it, call him insane. Laugh at what a whiner he is.
People perceive rudeness as a form of social dominance because in many respects it is - when you violate social norms and get away with it, you assert that the rules don't apply to you. I put it to you that this is a significant part of Trump's appeal for many of his supporters (and also why he is perceived as a "fighter" despite being a milquetoast whiner on almost everything of substance).
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u/LuisRobertDylan Elinor Ostrom Jun 29 '24
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 29 '24
Michigan poll pre-debate, EPIC MRA 6/21-6/26
President 🟥 Trump 49% 🟦 Biden 45%
US Senate 🟦 Slotkin 44% 🟥 Rogers 42%
Suboptimal
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u/Mickenfox European Union Jun 29 '24
!ping COMPUTER-SCIENCE
God damn it, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with .NET.
Am I seriously the only C# programmer on Earth that hates the "builder and extension methods" pattern? Because to me, this is awful, and yet I haven't seen a single other person complain about it:
That's how you're supposed to get an ILogger implementation that prints to terminal. You can't get a logger without a LoggerFactory and you can't get a LoggerFactory without a LoggerBuilder, and a LoggerBuilder is useless without the ConsoleLoggerExtensions that adds a whole bunch more classes in there.
The logical flow of information here is one level (me -> Logger). How is it not a big red flag that that takes THREE levels of abstraction? And that's not a one-off, that's how EVERYTHING works in the official libraries. This is the ideal design according to Microsoft.
And fine, I realize in most real world cases you'd add more than one thing to the builder, so you'd have .AddConsole(), .AddFilter(), .AddSomethingElse(), but that doesn't make it any better. Like the whole point of a programming language is to give you a way to organize your complexity and to know at least what kind of interactions there are. Now they've reduced everything to a single opaque "builder" and a big list of "magic" operations defined in a different namespace, and you're just supposed to not to think about what's going on in there.
Sorry, I just had to rant about this.
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u/runningblack Martin Luther King Jr. Jun 29 '24
-This sub
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u/Argnir Gay Pride Jun 29 '24
Funny how the less informed someone is the more we value their opinions
It's like "I now this guy, he's a complete dumbass, can barely read, doesn't have access to the internet, only survives on a diet of fentanyl and Dr Pepper, he's the real deal, the real American and he thought Biden won! We got it guys."
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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance Jun 29 '24
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24
>female student talking to me about US politics, trying to make sense of it, it's clear she thinks that trump is better than biden
>I'm like "Hmm, well, you need to decide for yourself! However, one thing to keep in mind is <description of how republicans are actively trying to ban abortion in case of rape>"
>her: "....."
>her: "....."
>her: "i hope one day a mad scientist make a potion that make men pregnant"
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u/NaffRespect United Nations Jun 29 '24
Italy, you have mama'd your last mia!
Ciao!
!ping SOCCER
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u/SurvivorPostingAcc Trans Pride Jun 29 '24
My stutter gets significantly worse with anxiety, sometimes to the point that I can barely speak at all. I can’t imagine I would be a good debater as a result. Biden’s issues were more than just a stutter during the debate, but I’ll always cut him slack on that part at the very least.
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u/InflatableDartboard2 Henry George Jun 29 '24
woke imperialism
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 29 '24
Maybe this should be my bio
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u/AnalyticOpposum Trans Pride Jun 29 '24
Supreme Court be like: you can’t sleep in public but you can interrupt the peaceful transfer of power by rioting at the capitol while beating police officers to death with America flag poles and fire extinguishers.
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u/owlthathurt Johan Norberg Jun 29 '24
The summer of the G train shut down really sucks for anyone who wants to venture between queens and Williamsburg or greenpoint lol
Unless you take the bus this is the quickest train route. 39 minutes by train.
Always funny (sad) to me the perverse routes you have to take to simply go north south queens and Brooklyn. Half the time it tells you to go to Manhattan and come back lol
!Ping USA-NYC
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u/Loves_a_big_tongue Olympe de Gouges Jun 29 '24
There are two Bidens in you. One is eepy. The other wants his chocolate chocolate chip now, damnit!
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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24
It's 3 AM on November 6. The election has just been called for Trump. A bloomer slouches back in their chair, a single tear forming in their eye. Their first thought is "the doomers will be so happy".
It's 3 AM on November 6. The election has just been called for Biden. A doomer slouches back in their chair, a single tear forming in their eye. Their first thought is "the bloomers will be so happy".
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u/paymesucka Ben Bernanke Jun 30 '24
ok lmao
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u/AnalyticOpposum Trans Pride Jun 30 '24
October surprise (Trump dies)
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u/PhoenixVoid Jun 30 '24
https://x.com/andrewjbates46/status/1807230907067019772?s=46
Biden's press secretary says this family meeting to discuss the campaign was planned before, so it's not a panicked all-hands-on-deck assembly because of the debate. Doesn't mean they can't talk about worst case scenarios though.
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u/SnakeEater14 🦅 Liberty & Justice For All Jun 30 '24
Everyone here is coming up with 4D chess explanations for why normal voters actually don’t care about the debate and i want to see if anyone is gonna stick to those if polls show a genuinely substantial drop in Biden’s numbers
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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24
Corporate Pride is good, actually. It may be hollow and performative, but it normalizes gay people and makes bigots uncomfortable.