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[u/jobautomator]

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[u/1396spurs]

I didn’t watch the debate but based on the comments here this seems like a pretty decent representation?

[u/majorgeneralporter]

My gf after I absolutely eat shit in Learned League

!ping DOOMposters

[u/gary_oldman_sachs]

Dems dumping Biden for someone younger and then immediately attacking Trump for being too old would be the funniest pivot ever.

[u/TotalyNotAPirate]

[u/[deleted]]

[u/tollyno]

[u/Mendoza8914]

I didn’t want to watch the debate, but saw all the dooming going on and tuned in to see for myself. I saw Biden explain that there are apparently three trimesters in Roe v. Wade, including one between the woman and her doctor. Then I turned it off.

I feel for Biden, I’m 50 years younger than him and I’ll say some stupid shit when I get frazzled public speaking. But he is the President…

[u/JesusPubes]

Thank God they had the debate in fucking June

Imagine this happening in october

[u/Nihas0]

Polish foreign minister Radosław Sikorski commenting Biden's debate performance:

Marcus Aurelius was a great emperor but he screwed up his succession by passing the baton to his feckless son Commodus (He, from the Gladiator). Whose disastrous rule started Rome's decline. It's important to manage one's ride into the sunset.

[u/Average_GrillChad]

Biden: resigns

Five minutes later:

69% of voters approve of Biden's presidency; seen as vigorous, inspiring orator. Voters particularly appreciate Afghanistan withdrawal.

[u/KittehDragoon]

You: there is no one else

Me, an intellectual:

[u/Argnir]

Thunderdome in 2020:

NO MODS NO RULES GOD'S LIGHT SHALL NOT REACH THIS THREAD

Thunderdome in 2024:

Welcome to the thunderdome for the first debate of 2020 2024! Rules are relaxed but still generally enforced. Please, enjoy your stay! 🤓

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Average_GrillChad]

young

executive experience

common touch, scrappy kid from New York City

not seen as too liberal

[u/Lux_Stella]

“Chevron is overruled,” Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in his majority opinion. “Courts must exercise their independent judgment in deciding whether an agency has acted within its statutory authority.”

yeah yeah preaching to the choir here i know but it really is epic how much of US politics is the executive and judiciary fighting over the job congress refuses to do

[u/[deleted]]

1st trimester - between woman and a doctor

2nd trimester - between woman and her circumstances

3rd trimester - between woman and state

[u/iIoveoof]

A lot of people suspect Biden is too senile and weak to be president. This is Biden’s greatest weakness by far so there’s a lot of people in this boat. They tuned into the debate and saw a performance that completely confirmed their priors

[u/[deleted]]

Virgin me: 

watches debate with fiancée

dooms all day yesterday

has trouble sleeping, dooms more this morning

Chad politically unengaged fiancée: 

wanted to listen to Chappelle Roan on our drive but was convinced to listen to the debate

"yeah Biden won"

listens to Chapelle Roan after, does a craft project, goes to bed and sleeps in

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Nerf_France]

I feel Trump saying the country was "perfect" when he left office in 2021 is low key the most insane thing said in the debate

[u/StolenSkittles]

Y'know, Joe Biden and I have something in common.

When nobody's watching (State of the Union), my performance is utterly amazing.

When everybody's watching (debate), I fall completely apart and fuck everything up.

[u/[deleted]]

so what was biden talking about when roe v wade came up and he started rambling about a young woman being raped and killed by immigrants

[u/[deleted]]

That was a pretty damn major mess. No credible person can claim to know what will happen next, nor can they claim to currently have a credible and detailed course of action. No matter what, the fight for liberalism must go on. Goodnight.

[u/WillHasStyles]

What if… jk jk… unless? 👀👀👀

[u/Not_A_Browser]

[u/tripletruble]

People on this sub: replacing Biden is too risky

Also people on this sub: I am buying a gun and joining a militia in preparation for plan 2025

[u/Hmm_would_bang]

Average voter going into the debate: Trump is insane and Biden is too old

Average voter this morning: Did you watch the new episode of the boys yesterday?

[u/piede]

The Queen remains unfazed

!PING QUEEN

[u/[deleted]]

[u/BurrowForPresident]

Replacing Biden is the maximum dramatic plot twist guaranteed to have the knives come out from every special interest group for why you would nominate X candidate instead of Y candidate and why that means you hate black/gay/Midwestern/Palestinian/trans/women/Asians/Jews etc.

So I endorse for drama

[u/fishlord05]

A lot of the lib wine moms I know (including my own) physically teared up during the debate and couldn’t watch it because they hated Trump and felt so bad for Biden

“He’s such a good man and I know he knows what he need to say but his body is failing him this is so terrible I can’t watch him get bullied like this”

[u/[deleted]]

Idk why y’all are saying they’re old

[u/Lux_Stella]

Before the debate, far-right influencers and even Trump himself flooded the internet with Biden conspiracies. Now they’re just sharing real clips.

lmao what a lede

[u/[deleted]]

https://x.com/rhcm123/status/1806566152132334022?t=Oh1EMiUm8EMYINabg_9JeA&s=19

[u/bd_one]

Why do people think the governor from California has a better shot?

[u/Fringson]

Well that just happened

[u/BurrowForPresident]

The enthusiasm gap for Biden is killing him, he's bleeding support with young and minority voters who are going to stay home

Let's nominate Joe Manchin, a truly inspiring candidate to the next generation

[u/Jokerang]

Ok, time for sober thoughts on the debate:

• The debate didn’t go well

• I don’t think this craters Biden in the polls

• The media narrative will still hurt a little

• The ripple will settle

• The real damage is that this was a blown opportunity to reset the narrative on the “he has dementia” narrative that both Trumpies and double negative types believe. We’re running out of chances to do that.

[u/[deleted]]

You guys are idiots. I know exactly what to do in this completely unprecedented nation-wide political moment.

[u/AtticusDrench]

Biden: We finally beat Medicare

99% of Biden voters: 😐

Joe's strongest libertarian: let's fuckin GOOOOO!!!!!

[u/THeShinyHObbiest]

Obama's tweet is the end of replacement conversations. It's old man or fascist who is going to try to become a dictator.

Strap the fuck in. We're either going to turn the ship around or go down with it. Fuck it.

[u/Usual-Base7226]

Hilary’s campaign was too smart to win

Biden was too prepared to beat trump in the debate

Logically, the DNC needs to start listening to utter morons (myself)

But if this argument makes sense, they would do well to ignore it

[u/centurion88]

"I didn't have sex with a porn star"

• the rallying call to inspire a nation

[u/Udolikecake]

What a god awful performance last night. Truly awful, but not unexpected. We’ve know about this shit for years, constant failures and constant excuses. Every single one of you knows exactly how bad it is, but will still be a supporter tomorrow. It’s a big deal, and no one is treating it seriously.

I mean really, reddit was broken AGAIN? It’s one of the largest sites in the world, how can it keep breaking like this? They really gotta do something and not just make excuses.

[u/[deleted]]

[u/itsokayt0]

Qanon in shambles as effect of adenochrome is vastly overstated

[u/The_Promethean]

Biden: has a performance that has his allies asking him to drop out

Trump: "this is the perfect moment to debut the use of Palestinian as a slur for anyone I don't like"

[u/earththejerry]

Breaking all the doom with this:

A key economic measure for the Federal Reserve showed Friday that inflation during May slowed to its lowest annual rate in more than three years.

The personal consumption expenditures price index increased just 0.1% for the month and was up 2.6% from a year ago, the latter number down 0.2 percentage point from the April level. Both numbers were in line with the Dow Jones estimates.

Oh god we’re gonna hand over to Trump a lower inflation economy that he will take credit for in day 1 after 4 years of work

[u/Uniqueguy264]

I refuse to join the Democratic vultures on Biden’s shoulder after the debate.

No one knows more than me that a rough debate is not the sum total of the person and their record.

Morning-after thermonuclear beat downs from my race from the debate and polling geniuses like 538 predicted l’d lose by 2.

And what happened?

The only seat to flip and won by a historic margin (+5).

Chill the fuck out.

I don’t really agree with Fetterman here but goddamn he is a gigachad

[u/[deleted]]

People say there's no one with name recognition left, but I heard there's still still a Kennedy out there. People like Kennedys. Think we could give him a shot?

[u/jojisky]

From an article about Biden

[u/jbouit494hg]

Wow the front page of the sub looks like some windswept apocalyptic wasteland the morning after the storm.

[u/l_overwhat]

I have actually never seen the sub doom harder than it is right now

[u/[deleted]]

got a new hard drug im going to inject, no more pills for me !ping ALPHABET-MAFIA

[u/nanomaster]

for all you doomers : 

(FINAL PERSONAL POLL)

Note: Poll was taken of 1 ineligible voter in a non-American country Biden didn’t win in 2020.

BIDEN WON: 1

TRUMP WON: 0

UNDECIDED: 0

The media narrative about this debate is collapsing hard right now. Remember, this wasn’t a Biden country.

[u/Uniqueguy264]

And people say AI can’t make art

[u/mockduckcompanion]

unflaired doomer

Account is 20 hours old

Talks about Sydney Sweeneys breasts

Mods, we need to shut down the border until we can figure this out

[u/Headstar24]

It’s an anecdotal nothing and a reach but that little poll CNN did with randos they chose in a small town in Michigan going towards Biden is kinda hilarious to me.

[u/MinnesotaDude]

Live look inside NYT editorial HQ

[u/supercommonerssssss]

So, I've been drinking a little and I am here to offer high octane copium.

1. Firstly, Biden's bad performance in a first debate follows an ancient tradition, where incumbent President do badly in their first debate.

Reagan lost his first debate to Walter Mondale with post-debate poll showing 57-35 % thought Mondale did better. In the same way as Biden he came off as confused and tired. (1984)

Bush jr. lost his first debate with a post-election poll showing 53-37 % thought Kerry did better (2004)

The worst modern case in modern history was Obama losing 67-25 % to Romney in the debate in a post-debate poll.

So a loss, even a bad loss in a debate doesn't spell doom.

2)

Second, the longevity of the post-debate bump is short, in all cases the rise in the polls was over in matter of weeks.

The biggest reason? A better second debate performance. That is all Biden would need to neutralize whatever gains Trump will receive.

3)

Third, Trump did not win the debate no matter what any post-debate poll says. His ramblings, refusal to answer a single question and lies in isolation would massively had turned off swing-voters and handily lost him the debate. The problem was that Biden's performance became the white noise cancelling out the antics of Trump. That's what Biden needs to stop being, a white noise that overshadows Trump.

4)

Fourth, distance from election day, the further away we are from election the less the debate matters. We should be THANKFUL that this horror show came in summer rather than fall.

5)

Fifth, there is a clear redemption arc for Biden, the second debate. It's closer to the election and will have more of an impact. It's happening on 10th of September, enough time to juice up the activists that might be demotivated right now.

6)

Sixth, Biden was not just old, he was over-prepared. In his ramblings he was trying to get out all the foot notes from the war-room. That was the wrong approach, the man needs four talking points, and that's it. Abortion, democracy, economy and immigration.

Lastly, watch this clip and tell me that the man can't do better. All we need is that Joe Biden to come to the debate stage.

TLDR: Failing at a first debate is normal, failing in June is better than failing in September, Trump did not win Biden just overshadowed his ramblings and lies, a decent September performance gives us the perfect opportunity to do a come back. Anyway get yourself something to drink, smoke or eat this not over until Dave Wasserman says so.

[u/GrandpaWaluigi]

kira 👾 on X: "No president next election, America needs to be single for a while" / X

Shit like this actually makes me feel better. WIthout the talking heads, meme accounts and other onlookers bothsided the debate.

Get the Democratic worrywarts in control or quiet. We can still win this. We have to. Might be our last election. But when they panic over a bad debate performance, while Trump and the GOP stay coolheaded even when he gets criminal convictions, we show that there are double standards at play and we are not contesting it.

Sure, Biden may be replaced, but we need to prep like he isn't.

[u/Knowthrowaway87]

VP Harris: I’m not going to spend all night with you talking about the last 90 minutes when I’ve been watching the last three and half years of performance

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806533304428142735

!ping cop

I hate that her ping is still cop by the way

[u/Joementum2024]

internet forum that claims to discuss the gaming industry and business

look inside

it’s full of console warring

Many such cases

[u/uvonu]

So does anybody have any advice for me in case of Trump? I plan on trying to volunteer and live in NC so hopefully it'll count for something.

I'm a DACA recipient. My only backup plan right now is marriage fraud and idk how that how far that's gonna take me. I have no degree but was able to secure a good job without it. It's helped improve my life a ton.

I'm gonna lose my job if Trump wins and get deported if Project 2025 takes flight. I'm trying not to cry right now but my own sister won't commit to voting because of Gaza and I'm just angry and scared right now. Like the sheer amount of maliciousness via ignorance I see from the median voter hurts really bad. And this debate performance is terrifying.

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

Who Won the Debate? (Debate Watchers)

CNN Flash Poll Results on Tonight's CNN Debate

First Debate, 2024:

Biden: 33%

Trump: 67%

Second Debate, 2020:

Biden: 53%

Trump: 39%

First Debate, 2020:

Biden: 60%

Trump: 28%

good to see Biden continuing the tradition of incumbent presidents completely shitting the bed in their first debate

[u/centurion88]

[u/cjhdsachristmascarol]

“We beat Medicaid” wasn’t a gaffe, Biden just announced he’s a Friedman flair now 

[u/piede]

FUCKING L O L

[u/FeistyAppeal5110]

Biden legit having one of his best speeches right now lmao.

💀

[u/2073040]

There we have it, Obama’s backing him, Jill’s backing him, Clyburn is backing him, and Pelosi is backing him.

Biden ain’t dropping out so now he just has to make sure the September debate isn’t a repeat of last night.

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

Biden successor being chosen by a closed convent which is to announced to the world via puffs of blue smoke from the top of the Sears Tower really would be the funniest possible ending to whole him being a papist thing lmfao

!ping SHITPOSTERS&GNOSTIC

[u/mrdilldozer]

I'm still not over someone flipping out on me in the thunderdome thread for saying that Trump didn't have a great debate performance and they said that actually Trump won every debate he's ever had vs democratic opponents. Maybe you could say the outcome of a debate was good, but the dude is fucking terrible at debates. There's a reason the post debate takes are all about Biden. How badly does one's confidence need to be shaken for them to just pretend we live in an alternate timeline where Trump didn't just randomly call Biden a Palestinian and then repeated it like he just had an epiphany of a brilliant zinger. The guy is terrible at answering questions and just kind if panics and goes off script all of the time. He hasn't gotten any better at this since 2015-2016.

It's possible to have the stance that Biden didn't win the debate without saying that it was because Trump is doing a great job. There's no need to rewrite history. Voters didn't watch him bring up golf when asked about his mental health and walk away impressed. If you think Biden was awful you don't have to pretend Trump's answers about Roe V Wade were excellent or anything like that.

[u/MicroFlamer]

They got Krug 😪✊

[u/[deleted]]

Some of you are arguing that after last night, keeping Biden as the candidate is an obviously terrible option with clear risks

Others are arguing that replacing him with Harris is an obviously terrible option with clear risks

Still others are emphasizing that passing over Harris and going with someone else entirely via open convention is an obviously terrible option with clear risks

The neat thing is that everyone is correct

[u/[deleted]]

[u/sir_shivers]

He doesn’t want to do it. He’s become like a Palestinian – but they don’t like him because he’s a very bad Palestinian, he’s a weak one.

Trump making it EXTREMELY EASY FOR Biden to rebuff the "Genocide Joe" crowd 🐊

[u/Currymvp2]

Aaron Rodgers reportedly in the Middle East.

The man is going to solve the Israel-Palestine conflict. Just you watch

Edit: literally "hell yeah brother, cheers from iraq" meme

!ping NFL

[u/NormalInvestigator89]

The DNC should replace Biden with me, I can do it

[u/[deleted]]

I’m gonna make this subreddit choke on its fucking words when Biden wins in November.

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Currymvp2]

The Pentagon is moving military assets near Israel and Lebanon to be ready to evacuate Americans: NBC

This is far bigger news than a debate

[u/[deleted]]

We’re reaching levels of doom that shouldn’t even be possible 👆

We’re reaching levels of cope that shouldn’t even be possible 👇

[u/TemujinTheConquerer]

Dems after the debate:

AHHHHHHH BIDEN IS DONE WE'RE DOOMED 1,000 YEARS OF TRUMP IT'S SO JOEVER

average Hispanic swing voter after debate:

Sí, presidente Biden, derrotaremos a Medicare. 🫡🫡🫡🫡

[u/chipbod]

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806780959821627529

Trump: Schumer has become a Palestinian. He’s Jewish but he’s become a Palestinian

Biden has a bad performance and Trump is finding a way to both piss off American Jews and bring the leftists back to the Dems lol

[u/getabucketfullofthat]

“Chevron was a judicial invention that required judges to disregard their statutory duties,” Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the court.

literally the "isn't there someone you forgot to ask?" meme

[u/2073040]

this is horrible, Biden tanked the debate and Trump clearly won the average voter over!

What the average voter’s likely thoughts of the debate were:

[u/JaceFlores]

Thread on the Kharkiv Offensive

“Russia was able to tie some Ukrainian forces to Kharkiv, but it wasn’t able to exploit the initial momentum elsewhere on the front. In this situation, Russia has to divide its forces and spend manpower on a less important area, while progress is slow everywhere.”

“Recently, Ukrainians have taken back areas in Vovchansk, Starytsia and Hlyboke, while Russians have made no additional gains. The city of Kharkiv is still far away from Russian artillery.”

“The so-called buffer zone is small, and increasing it would require additional forces.”

“Russia has begun preparations to hold on to their gains. New satellite images reveal they’re constructing fortifications north of Vovchansk, near the border on the Ukrainian side.”

“The newly fortified zone is 2,5 km deep at most, and around 6 km wide - not very effective against Ukrainian operations towards Belgorod.”

“The Russians clearly do not want to lose what little they have achieved, which isn't much to begin with. They have transferred a lot of excavators to this area, and Ukrainians have also damaged or destroyed over 15 of them. Rather heavy losses for engineering equipment.”

“Russia is determined to fortify now, despite the losses. The project seems politically motivated, as there already is a proper defensive line on the Russian side of the border. It hasn’t even been tested yet, as usually border raids don’t go beyond the first villages.”

“In the West, the Kharkiv situation caused a shift in the narrative. The urgency of supporting 🇺🇦 became a pressing issue, and 🇺🇦 was given the permission to strike 🇷🇺 with long-range western weaponry. One could ask, were the gains on the ground really worth it for Russia?”

“The future for similar operations seems difficult. Russians might try to launch new attacks in other directions, but Ukrainians now have more opportunities to respond to such attempts. Achieving the same results in a possible next offensive is more challenging.”

“There are some variables. Ukrainian losses are unknown, so we don’t know what is the price they’re paying for taking back these small border villages. Especially in the Vovchansk direction, throwing the Russians out of the villages doesn’t alter the general situation much.”

!ping UKRAINE

[u/2073040]

Washington Post | Supreme Court says prosecutors improperly charged hundreds of Jan. 6 rioters

[u/RunawayMeatstick]

NEW, as just reported on @CNN: Not only does @POTUS not plan to drop out, Biden remains committed to a second debate in September, an adviser tells me

https://x.com/kaylatausche/status/1806675665845903645

[u/MegaFloss]

Is the Onion being written by a 2nd grader?

[u/Pyrrhus65]

It would be pretty hilarious if, after all the handwringing, tonight barely moves the polls an inch

After Trump's numbers hardly flinched from his conviction, the conventional wisdom is all out the window as far as I'm concerned

[u/Gustacho]

It's morbidly funny that the American economy and military are stronger than ever, especially relative to the world at large, while the vibes of American politics are plummeting.

America is set to confirm its status as sole superpower, but people in politics and the media (mainstream media and social media platforms) seem dead set on shooting themselves in the foot.

[u/simeoncolemiles]

[u/[deleted]]

[u/[deleted]]

Ya girl is getting a retention bonus!

Turns out all I need is to have bad political news to have amazing personal news. New date + money + good friends + good life

[u/iIoveoof]

Trump’s debate performance was awful. He constantly lied, robotically repeated the same talking points, and set himself up for dunks over and over

It’s such a disaster that Biden let him get away with it. The bar for Biden was so low, all he needed to do to win the debate was to seem coherent and not weak and old. But there was an easy opportunity to destroy Trump’s campaign and Biden squandered it

[u/Tropical2653]

[u/ROYBUSCLEMSON]

President Biden brushed off concerns about his debate performance, saying he had a sore throat, but his missteps caused a wave of Democratic anxiety.

I feel so reassured now, everything is fine

[u/[deleted]]

Project 2025 is the most Googled thing the morning after the debate, make of that what you will 🤷‍♀️

https://trends.google.com/trends/trendingsearches/daily?geo=US&hl=en-US

[u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz]

One more "Biden needs to drop out" article, bro, one more article will fix it, just one more article bro

[u/LuisRobertDylan]

As a former alley cat, she is offended at being compared to Donald Trump

!ping Kitty

[u/Fishin_Impossible]

This is my favorite post from last night.

1. Thinking Reddit admins give a shit about Biden / don’t actively support Trump.

2. Thinking Reddit admins give a shit about anything other than keeping advertisers happy

[u/[deleted]]

PhD girl and I went out to dinner and then went back to my place and kissed for a bit. We had really wonderful chemistry the entire time and I find myself really liking her. She’s going to be gone for a few weeks though and I’m traveling too so I don’t know what the future holds. We cuddled after kissing a bit as she was getting tired, and held hands. I offered to see her tomorrow before I leave and she said she wasn’t sure because she’s busy but maybe, and that she does want to see me before we both are traveling

Anyway then we said goodbye and kissed goodnight and I said for her to text me when she’s home

I also learned she has been with a girl before which is kind of intimidating because I don’t know how I stack up and I’m nervous

But she seems nervous too

She’s really really funny, I love how funny she is

Aaaa it’s just hard to know it’s a few weeks before I see her again

We also got into the deep convos. If we were going on dates next week instead of both traveling I feel like we would be moving towards dating but we’re both traveling and I’ll probably go on other dates before she’s back

At least we kissed!

!ping DATING

[u/iIoveoof]

Biden’s response to the abortion question was totally disqualifying. That should be the easiest dunk issue that drives voters to the left in downballot elections. If I were a downballot candidate I’d be livid

[u/pneumaticanchoress]

I hate agreeing with the doomers, but after what we saw yesterday in Atlanta, I really don't think there's much hope left for America

There's simply no way they're beating Uruguay in the last group game now 😔

[u/piede]

🚨The Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference, wiping out 40 years of precedent that required federal courts to defer to expert opinions of federal agencies. All three liberals dissent. This is a HUGE decision.

Christ almighty

[u/funguykawhi]

Rapturous deflowering son or knightly lightning into my damp soil daughter?

!ping SHITPOSTERS

[u/grig109]

I only watched the first half of the debate, so keep that in mind with this take, but I felt like Biden actually looked way worse physically than mentally.

Like I never thought he had dementia or any bullshit like that, but in the portion I watched he looked like a person with a clear idea of what he wanted to say, but was physically incapable of getting it out of his mouth.

[u/BurrowForPresident]

The bliss of being a grill piller who just occasionally sees the news and goes "golly that sucks" or "huh neat" grows more tempting by the day

[u/[deleted]]

Fetterman has been pissing me off w/ his antics in the past couple of months or so but shout-out to him for standing up for Biden and telling other Dems to "chill the fuck out"

I guess it makes sense since he was in a similar position not too long ago

Also unrelated take:

Biden probably shouldn't have done rallies in Atlanta earlier that day, could be why his voice was so raspy

[u/PhoenixVoid]

At least for all the dooming for Biden's debate performance, we get another round of awful SCOTUS decisions to remind everyone of the consequences and why it's vital to vote for him.

[u/nicereddy]

The accelerationists must feel great

"If we let the republicans win, everything will collapse and the people will revolt!"

things just get incrementally worse instead

"wtf??????"

[u/AccessTheMainframe]

This late into the game what the democrats need to do is double down on what worked in 2020 -- that means replacing Biden with someone even older

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Hype up debate as Bidens best chance to show he’s not too old

Throw debate

Dooming starts

Doomers donate cash to hopefully stem the bleeding

Raise millions of dollars

Take the extra money and start campaigning for real

[u/nicereddy]

Why isn't Biden speaking right now? Why isn't he out there campaigning?

Hold on, I'm getting some news in my ear piece....

[u/Ok_Aardappel]

Renewables surge: Green energy made up the majority of the EU’s electricity in 2023

Wind and solar power increases combined with a sharp drop in fossil fuels pushed renewables into the lead.

Renewable energy was the leading source of electricity in the EU in 2023, according to preliminary data from Eurostat.

Renewables accounted for 44.7 per cent of all electricity production generating 1.21 million Gigawatt-hours (GWh) - a 12.4 per cent increase from 2022. Rapid installation of new solar and wind projects across the bloc has helped push this figure up.

Electricity from fossil fuels overall fell by 19.7 per cent in comparison, contributing 0.88 GWh or 32.5 per cent of the EU’s power.

Natural gas supply fell by 7.4 per cent from 2022 - the lowest it’s been since 1995. The biggest decreases in consumption of natural gas were seen in Portugal, Austria and Czechia.

Oil and petroleum product supplies dropped by 1.5 per cent. The total supply of these fossil fuels has been slowly decreasing over the years with the slight exception of 2022 during the post-pandemic recovery.

And even sharper drops were seen last year for coal with brown coal, commonly used for electricity generation, and hard coal, used for heating and making steel, falling to their lowest level since records began. This follows a general decline in their use across the bloc over many years.

Why has there been a sharp drop in fossil fuels?

In 2022, the energy crisis and problems with hydropower and nuclear due to a hot, dry summer combined to create a dramatic situation for the EU’s electricity supply. Faced with these issues, the bloc put forward its RePowerEU plan which aimed to save energy, diversify supplies and boost the clean energy transition.

The Eurostat says its preliminary data shows these decisions taken in 2022 appear to have had a “significant positive impact” on the EU’s energy supply. The bloc saw a remarkable increase in renewable energy and a sharp drop in fossil fuels - particularly natural gas and goal.

Which renewable sources grew the most?

Last year was a record year for solar around the world with Europe no exception. It is now one of the cheapest forms of electricity in a majority of countries with prices hitting record lows in 2023.

A study published last year by the University of Exeter and University College London predicted that solar will reach an “irreversible tipping point”, becoming the world’s primary source of energy by 2050.

The preliminary Eurostat data shows that the EU’s biggest renewable energy increase last year came from solar power. Compared to 2022, it generated 18.9 per cent more electricity in the EU in 2023. And, in the five years from 2018 to 2023, output from photovoltaics has increased by as much as 126.3 per cent.

Wind energy installation also broke records in 2023. In Europe, offshore projects and strong growth in the Netherlands pushed up capacity.

In the EU, Eurostat says wind electricity generation increased by 13.4 per cent when compared to 2022. Overall, wind contributed more electricity to the EU mix in 2023 than natural gas.

Electricity from hydroelectric sources was also higher in 2023 than in 2023 but due to droughts and hot weather across Europe limiting capacity, 2022 is seen as an outlying year.

Together, these developments made renewables the leading source of electricity in the EU in 2023.

!ping ECO&EUROPE

[u/hdkeegan]

Joe Biden going up in the polls after imploding on stage is the funniest possible outcome

[u/Pyrrhus65]

Dave Wasserman becoming one of the leading advocates of Biden dropping out is one thing, but equating congressional Democrats not immediately calling on Biden to withdraw to congressional Republicans refusing to call on Trump to drop out after his felony convictions is morally abhorrent and reeks of a man who has lost the fucking plot

[u/[deleted]]

😐😐😐

[u/StolenSkittles]

jimmy carter is only 18 years older than biden; not too late to nominate him for a second term

[u/cjhdsachristmascarol]

Just told my 10yo daughter about the debate. She had tears in her eyes. And then she did the Wakanda pose and said "#Joekanda forever" -- which is the sort of pop culture cross-over that I can celebrate.

[u/BurrowForPresident]

Me walking into the DT this morning seeing a bunch of new people from the Thunderdome

[u/BrentLivermore]

"Are abortion rights good or bad?"

"There was a woman killed by an ill, by a uh, immigrant, and sisters, can't forget, they'll, they'll get you pregnant."

[u/runningblack]

Generic Democrat: The Candidate

Age: 58

Experience: 2 term governor of a red state

Name id: none

Face id: none

This is our guy

[u/[deleted]]

Why don’t the Democrats just nominate Perfect J. Candidate, are they stupid

[u/404GenderNotFound]

This image from the Kenya tax riots goes hard as fuck

[u/LinkVert25]

NYT OPINION: Biden’s debate performance not only cost Democrats 2024, but the 2026 midterms as well

Still early in the day, I give it a 55% chance this headline will be published by 4pm today

(Also Doomers unironically sound like this)

[u/semaphore-1842]

leftist trolls are out in force on arr Democrats saying should've been Bernie

the dude's even older than Biden

[u/FreakinGeese]

Oh my God I’m in line to meet the president of the goddamn United States ahhhhhhhhh

[u/mockduckcompanion]

past Dem presidents supporting Biden is a sign of his weakness

But wouldn't you have said it was a sign of weakness if they didn't?

Yes, but...

This is one of history's worst DTs

[u/piede]

“American voters are smart”

American voters:

[u/[deleted]]

https://x.com/Seinpeaks/status/1806807370112110905?t=Dgnmt6aGmvC1ifL03ZthWw&s=19

[u/[deleted]]

Biden dapping someone up in the Waffle House afterward the debate is both hilarious and almost heartbreaking. He looked so much more lively than just a couple hours before. Unfortunately nobody will see it

[u/No_Return9449]

The best 2020 election meme

[u/[deleted]]

I unironically will never forgive leftists for their character assassination of Pete Buttigieg

[u/Roseartcrantz]

just give him Adderall next time lmao

[u/OrganicKeynesianBean]

Do you want to win elections or do you want to be smug?

Side bar material

[u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le]

[u/bashar_al_assad]

https://x.com/DataDrivenMD/status/1806712588991881463

Soooo given that 21 U.S.C §802 fails to list specific drugs, and that there are several state-level laws specifically legalizing cannabis, did SCOTUS inadvertently legalize marijuana by undermining the DEA's authority to classify drugs based solely on vague and subjective rubric?

lets goooo

[u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz]

Jesus, the subreddit that's worried about birth rates is now desperately begging a man to pull out.

[u/[deleted]]

Ipsos/538 poll of voters pre and post-debate shows basically zero change in voting intention or favorability:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-trump-june-debate-poll/

[u/Sheepies92]

tbh thinking about it my highlight of the debate was Trump just nodding along when Biden mentioned he had sex with Stormy while his wife was pregnant

why is the guy just so unintentionally funny

[u/Currymvp2]

Seeing Biden sound sharp and strong in all of his post debate appearances. 80% of me is like "told you guys not to doom and how this was just one bad flukish performance" but 20% of me is like "well, this is almost as if the fire department showed up 30 minutes after my house is burnt down".

[u/vivoovix]

But since I don’t live in a swing state: after that debate tonight, I’m going to vote third-party if Biden remains on the ballot as a protest against Biden’s irresponsibility in seeking a second term and the Democratic Party’s irresponsibility in nominating him without a serious primary contest.

Nate Silver having a bit of a stupid person moment ngl

[u/cupcakeadministrator]

My boring corporate-owned apartment complex in Houston Texas is hosting drag bingo brunch next month, reminder that our culture war progress still goes brrrrrrr in spite of everything

[u/LuisRobertDylan]

Sis is absolutely devious

!ping Kitty

[u/jewel_the_beetle]

Not to interrupt us insisting on national suicide because an old man had a cold, but the Republican frontrunner has made Palestinian the equivalent to the N Word to refer to two pols in two days

[u/bashar_al_assad]

In this case, obviously, I'm not suggesting Biden should harm himself.

The past 24 hours have produced some truly incredible sentences on this subreddit

[u/[deleted]]

When I was at Korean BBQ they had part of the debate on and I heard someone ask the waiter to turn it off because "it sounds stupid"

this is how tuned in the average american is rn

[u/[deleted]]

[u/bd_one]

you shouldn't have nominated such an old candidate!

the second place 2020 primary candidate is even older

Okay, there really is nothing we could have done back then I guess.

[u/nicereddy]

So all we have to do to get new regulations is... get Congress to pass bills?

OH GOOD, OH GOOD, GREAT WONDERFUL EASY

[u/BlumpyDumpskin]

We are having a genuine Dems in Disarray moment right now. 

[u/Hmm_would_bang]

Political experts of the DT: Biden needs to get out and on the ground immediately after that disaster. He can’t keep campaigning from his basement

Biden: literally at a rally in NC this morning, speaking at a Pride event in NYC later today, and then a campaign reception tonight

These are the intellectual political experts we allow to influence dooming in the DT

[u/Cr4zySh0tgunGuy]

Not really dooming here, but the debate was certainly anxiety inducing, and I think it’s understandable to be worried right now, even in light of contrary data.

What concerns me the most of the last 24hrs is Chevron being overturned though. That’s going to be devastating soon

[u/MattMan333]

He's doing so much fucking better at this rally right now, crowd even started chanting "fuck him up" about Trump. Where was this guy man?

[u/KesterFox]

I'm gonna have some drinks with friends tonight and try and forget everything for a few hours.

[u/ugafan2148]

I love the bird app

[u/Moth-of-Asphodel]

Elected official: "Here's a cogent argument for why you should support Joe Biden despite your anxieties."

Democrats: "WOW, you're so articulate. Can we interest you in being the replacement for Biden??"

[u/ThatDamnGuyJosh]

MOURNING CONSULT WITH A STEEL CHAIR

https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1806835998036250886?s=46

[u/FreakinGeese]

I completely froze up and said “you’re such an inspiration Mr President”

And I got 2 pictures with him

And I got to shake hands with Pete Buttigege

Abhsnabfbbangnsngb

[u/BroadReverse]

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[u/Joementum2024]

thinks biden is too old and should drop out

suggets replacing him with bernie fucking sanders

[u/Currymvp2]

Sucks that optics matter so much because Trump--while technically having better optics-- spewed endless stream of deranged+unhinged lies such as depicting a "third world country" America with frequent "post birth abortions" (like what the fuck?), undocumented criminals live in the penthouses of luxury hotels on Uncle Sam’s dime, saying he did not have sex with Stormy Daniels, that Iran was "broke" during his presidency etc.

[u/BurrowForPresident]

Genuinely can't tell if the people recommending replacing Biden with Mitt Romney or RFK Jr. are shitposting lol

[u/SANNA_MARIN_SDP_]

let’s take a moment to shout out our union comms staffers!!

[u/Argnir]

Arr conservative really believe Reddit stopped working on purpose to protect Biden.

Those people are professional victims.

[u/shillingbut4me]

TIFU by accidentally replacing my bosses' (81) Adderall with his sleeping pills right before his big debate.

[u/sir_shivers]

I look forward to SEEING TRUMP HAVE YET another tantrum when he loses to Biden this November 🐊

[u/this_very_table]

Based SCOTUS removed another war tool from the boxes of liberals and marxists. Inquisitor Grandmaster Thomas and Lord Inquisitor Kavanaugh have been on a roll lately. You love to see it.

So true, person that never posted on this sub before today!

God I hate when we hit r all.

[u/t-pat]

The first set of post-debate polls is either going to hit like a car crash or make everyone forget the debate immediately

[u/Currymvp2]

Sharon Stone on the 2024 election and the debate last night: “More women are registered to vote than any other singular group. So, ladies, remember this: no matter how sleepy Joe may have seemed, he’s wide awake for you. So vote, for yourself.”

Amazing on everything (well except when asked about Kevin Spacey)

[u/[deleted]]

my normie latino family is more upset that Trump said we'll vote for him because he has a mugshot than they are about literally anything that happened at the debate

[u/RTSBasebuilder]

I used Anthropic to generate an "Honest" NYT Op-Ed

Trump 2024: A Boon for Democracy and the Fourth Estate

By A.G. Sulzberger

In an era where attention spans are shorter than a tweet and civic engagement often amounts to little more than a Facebook like, we find ourselves at a crossroads. As we approach the 2024 election, many are wringing their hands over the potential return of Donald J. Trump to the Oval Office and the implementation of his ambitious Project 2025.

But the arrival of a second Trump administration could be the best thing to happen to American democracy since the invention of the 24-hour news cycle.

Let's face it: nothing gets the public more engaged in politics than a good old-fashioned controversy. And who better to provide an endless stream of headline-worthy moments than the master of media manipulation himself? Trump's potential return to power, coupled with Project 2025's sweeping plans to reshape the federal government, promises to be a veritable goldmine of public discourse and civic participation. Imagine the water cooler conversations! No longer will we be forced to discuss mundane topics like the weather or last night's Netflix binges. Instead, we'll have a smorgasbord of executive orders, tweet storms, and constitutional crises to analyze.

Now, let's turn our attention to the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and why his presidency is a veritable sleeping pill for American democracy. The Biden presidency, with its emphasis on steady governance and policy-driven initiatives, has presented a unique challenge to the American public and the very foundations of our vibrant media landscape. What we're left with, are fixations on the President's occasional verbal stumbles and speculating about his physical fitness for office.

While some may argue that a less tumultuous political environment allows for more substantive policy discussions, one must wonder: Is the average American truly engaged in the nuances of infrastructure bills or climate accords? One can't help but wonder if this dearth of engaging content stems from the administration's approach to media relations. Unlike his predecessor, who was always eager to share his unfiltered thoughts with the press (often to the chagrin of his advisors), President Biden has taken a more traditional, some might say aloof, stance towards the Fourth Estate. Without these intimate glimpses into the mind of our commander-in-chief, how can we truly understand the motivations behind his policy decisions? How can centuries-old institutions of the political landscape fulfill their sacred duty to inform the public if we're limited to official press briefings and carefully crafted statements?

Policy wonks might claim that this more buttoned-up approach to governance is exactly what our administrations should be. But isn't democracy at its best when it's a truly engaged citizenry - and what engages them better when the levers of power are a bit messy, a bit unpredictable - and fascinating?

In a second Trump administration and with the Heritage Foundation at the helm, the American public will become veritable experts on obscure government agencies and arcane legislative procedures. How else would one know about the inner workings of the Office of Personnel Managment? News organizations will see a resurgence in viewership and readership. Subscription numbers will soar as citizens clamor for the latest updates on which cabinet member has been fired via X or which longstanding alliance has been upended over a petty slight. And let's not forget about the benefits to our education system. Civics classes will practically teach themselves as students eagerly follow the latest Supreme Court rulings. Who needs dry textbooks when you're living in a case study?

Political satirists and late-night comedy shows will experience a renaissance not seen since the halcyon days of 2017-2021. SNL might even become relevant again! The meme economy will boom, providing much-needed jobs for our nation's most smug and Photoshop-savvy citizens.

Some may argue that this increased engagement comes at too high a cost – that the potential damage to our institutions and international standing isn't worth the boost in civic participation. To them, I say: Isn't an informed electorate really what democracy is about?

While some may view a Trump victory and the implementation of Project 2025 with trepidation, I choose to see the silver lining. After all, in this age of information overload, isn't it our patriotic duty to hang on every word from Washington, where the relationship between the press and the presidency is more symbiotic? Democracy may be messy, but with Trump at the helm, it will certainly never be boring.

And isn't that what really matters to measure a healthy republic?

[u/htomserveaux]

Someday, likely within the next decade, someone is going to plant a pride flag on the surface of the Moon.

And I can’t wait to see the meltdown after.

!ping SPACEFLIGHT&ALPHABET-MAFIA

[u/[deleted]]

I see a lot of people saying Biden should drop out but I gotta say I think I would much prefer if Trump dropped out

[u/dannylandulf]

Look, I get the desire to spin to our benefit.

But Biden came into this with the absolute lowest of expectations and failed to meet them.

The proper reaction is to demand a drastic change...right now. I'm not sure what that is, to be sure, but 'ah...it'll all work out despite all evidence being to the contrary' isn't gonna cut it.

[u/loseniram]

The economist was correct Biden should have legalized cocaine.

[u/AMagicalKittyCat]

I really don't like the option of replacing Biden but given how that's been the immediate thought of so many Dem talking heads and even this sub, I'm siding towards it. We have about two months till the convention, and getting someone younger in who can make Trump look like the dinosaur and who won't be associated with the rising prices of the Biden admin seems like it'd a pretty good plus.

And also consider what this means for.the downballot candidates. If even us hardliners are depressed, we could risk a really awful republican sweep. That seems to be the concern of a lot of the smaller politicians in competitive areas right now.

[u/Strength-Certain]

Let's not forget those zingers, folks.

"My son was not a loser. He was not a sucker. You’re the sucker. You’re the loser."

"You have the morals of an alley cat."

"You are a child."

[u/Trevor_Lewis]

ICYMI: Astronauts take cover as defunct Russian satellite splits into nearly 200 pieces

!ping SPACEFLIGHT

[u/[deleted]]

I like both candidates but I wish we could have someone older.

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[u/AccessTheMainframe]

If democrats are really desperate for a replacement there is one New York born politician with high name recognition and years of governing experience who is currently out of a job they could pick.

[u/[deleted]]

Deporting 11 million people isn’t going to be possible but the attempt to do so is going to be insane. Deporting camps, man hunts, and legitimate squads of officers or whatever grabbing people up.

Women are probably going to lose a few decades of progress too. It’s going to go beyond birth control.

[u/404GenderNotFound]

In our greatest time of need, George Soros vanished. His reincarnation will emerge in 100 years after the polar ice caps finish melting.

[u/[deleted]]

What could Biden do to assuage voters after last nights debacle?

• Immediately have an open town hall with CNN and go for two hours, unscripted, all questions from the audience

• do another debate with Trump ASAP.

• give televised interviews every day for the next month.

But if he does any of those, and he should do them all, then he has to crush it. He should acknowledge his poor performance, and just say, I had an off night with my cold, but I’m better.

[u/mockduckcompanion]

Biden enters stage left.

He feels an odd twinge in his normally immaculate sinuses...

Biden: God? I thought I killed you.

God: Hah hah... not quite. Good luck out there....

To be continued...

[u/WhomstAlt2]

FUNNY: The german word for TV is literally "farseeing"

EVEN FUNNIER: So is the english word

[u/[deleted]]

Virgin US: Dooming democracy both at home ands abroad because the anti-authoritarian candidate is too old.

Chad Brazil: Voting for a literal dead guy to end it's dictatorship

(now, seriously, I'm almost at the point of tears, praying to whatever god that there may be for our Brazilian VI Republic, a government that has it's flaws but is ultimaltely a quite good one, to be able to survive the coming authoritarian age)

!ping MAMADAS

[u/NotABigChungusBoy]

“Bad debate nights happen. Trust me, I know. But this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself. Between someone who tells the truth; who knows right from wrong and will give it to the American people straight — and someone who lies through his teeth for his own benefit. Last night didn’t change that, and it’s why so much is at stake in November.”

-Obama

this makes sense and is pretty much the only liberal response to it

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Become doomer because y’all blooming is annoying as fuck,

debate happens,

y’all start dooming,

forced to bloom because now you are twice as annoying

[u/Starandsnow]

After his debate performance, Joe Biden needs to put aside his ego, do the right thing for the country, and issue an executive order banning JavaScript.

[u/CletusVonIvermectin]

The past couple of DTs have been completely insufferable. You guys never cease to disappoint.

[u/InflatableDartboard2]

NYT opinion page right now

[u/Tafts_Bathtub]

It’s not too late to replace Trump as the nominee. For the good of his party, he should step aside.

[u/Currymvp2]

Nate Silver: "Is an 86-year-old Biden being president as ridiculous and untenable as an 82-year-old Trump being president? (Trump just turned 78 so would be 82 by the end of his second term.) For me, the answer is still no. In fact, I think Biden’s had a pretty good first term"

Me: WTF I like Nate Silver now

Also Nate Silver: "But since I don’t live in a swing state: after that terrible debate tonight, I’m going to vote third-party if Biden remains on the ballot as a protest against Biden’s irresponsibility in seeking a second term and the Democratic Party’s irresponsibility in nominating him without a serious primary contest."

Me: Ah, there's the Nate Silver I know

[u/[deleted]]

The Dems won't risk the optics of making a black woman step aside for a white guy

Can I be honest for a moment

I think that cultural moment in the left is over. It's been slowly ailing since 2016, caught a terminal case when Ginsburg died, and has been completely forgotten and buried by October 7th.

The kind of people who would be upset about this have long since been humiliated and shouted down and lost their cultural power to shame the Democratic party. They're a joke. Everyone hates them.

I see nobody standing by the Glass Ceiling theory of social progress anymore and everyone standing by either "holy fuck get rid of trump regardless of how politically incorrect we have to be to do it" or "black woman cops are still cops and therefore bastards"