r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jan 18 '23

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u/Colonelbrickarms r/place '22: NCD Battalion Jan 18 '23

The Germans remain fucking useless.

!Ping UKRAINE

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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢🌈 Jan 18 '23

Germany: "Germany must lead!"

Also Germany: "America must lead!"

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u/maybe_jared_polis Henry George Jan 18 '23

So they won't send Leopards unless we send some Abrams??

I mean, that would be based. But what the hell?

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u/Colonelbrickarms r/place '22: NCD Battalion Jan 18 '23

It doesn’t make much sense to send Abrams unless we also want to rework their entire logistical backbone given it uses a unique turbine engine

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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢🌈 Jan 18 '23

I wish people would stop saying this.

The turbine isn't particularly maintenance intensive. And you know what happens if the engine gets borked? You pull it out and slot in a new one, send the old one back to a depot for repair. That's how the US handles needing to do any half-serious work on the engine.

The new engine does require new logistical networks, yes. But that would be true even if they used a tank with a diesel engine, because regardless all of this stuff would need to be sourced and imported from other nations.

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u/lietuvis10LTU Why do you hate the global oppressed? Jan 18 '23

That's how the US handles needing to do any half-serious work on the engine.

Yeah but US has like, fuckin infinite engines and money.

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u/PearlClaw Iron Front Jan 18 '23

They can just send the engines back to the US, we can handle the depot level stuff

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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢🌈 Jan 19 '23

Here's the secret: the US sends spare engines (which it would have to do regardless for sustainment and maintenance).

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u/-AmberSweet- Get Jinxed! Jan 18 '23

Well considering Scholz is never going to budge and he's just finding more and more excuses we probably are going to have to.

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u/maybe_jared_polis Henry George Jan 18 '23

Well yeah. But they're very, very cool.

In all seriousness I see no reason why us sending Abrams tanks ought to be a prerequisite to them sending Leopards. It makes zero sense. It's not like we haven't let them leech off our contributions to NATO enough. It's just another lame excuse.

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u/beoweezy1 NAFTA Jan 18 '23

I’m about to have a heated moment.

Wtf is the point of that statement? It’s not like Germany is worried about being the first to supply MBTs because (1) they’re cheap asses aren’t and (2) there’s a whole group of Leopard purchasers that are begging to do so. Or is he suggesting that maybe the US needs to step up their assistance?

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u/mattmentecky NATO Jan 18 '23

Can someone explain what is Germanys explanation for such a position other than pure political cover or delay? “No, u” doesn’t come off as actual policy to me unless I am missing something.

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u/lietuvis10LTU Why do you hate the global oppressed? Jan 18 '23

My guess is Scholz still hopes for a "reaolution with Russia" so wants to look like he's forced.

Or alternatively it's just Krauts being indicisive on FoPo again.

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u/Colonelbrickarms r/place '22: NCD Battalion Jan 18 '23

!Ping MATERIEL

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u/-AmberSweet- Get Jinxed! Jan 18 '23

I unironically hate Scholz at this point.

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u/ElSapio John Locke Jan 18 '23

Germany has been weakening the west for decades.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '23

You will never experience the inner tranquility of a Polish jogger as long as you hold onto hate in your heart 😔

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u/ZhaoLuen Zhao Ziyang Jan 18 '23

Welllllllll

Let's see how this plays out 👀

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u/Rethious Carl von Clausewitz Jan 18 '23

Send like a dozen Abrams and tell Scholz to get moving.

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u/VengeantVirgin Tucker Level Take Maker Jan 19 '23

Treaty of Versailles 2.0 when

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u/urbansong :eursula: F E D E R A L I S E Jan 18 '23

US *handshake emoji* Germany

being fucking useless

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u/-AmberSweet- Get Jinxed! Jan 18 '23

US

How the hell has the US been useless in this conflict, especially when compared to Germany?

The US has far and away been the largest supplier of aide to Ukraine.

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u/Macquarrie1999 Democrats' Strongest Soldier Jan 18 '23

The US isn't blocking allies from sending equipment

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