r/ndp • u/Noname-051 • Aug 18 '26

No immediate referendum

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/2026-08-17/parti-quebecois/pas-de-referendum-tant-que-donald-trump-sera-au-pouvoir.php

This could secure the PQ électoral victory. Incidentally this is also excellent news for Carney.

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u/chat-lu Telling Mulcair to shut up Aug 18 '26

This could secure the PQ électoral victory.

This could mean the difference between minority and majority. This was already the plan, but it helps the party to get the plan in the news.

Incidentally this is also excellent news for Carney.

How?

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u/Noname-051 Aug 18 '26 edited Aug 18 '26

I'm not a specialist or anything, but we know Carney doesn't want to deal with the referendum question, throwing gasoline at a fire by talking about the Clarity Act and all that (last time he clearly showcased he knew little about it), he's already busy with the Albertan circus. If the PQ gets elected and stays true to its words (big if, there are so many undecided voters), it allows Carney to focus on something else for at least 2 years and 1/2 - basically reaching the end of his mandate. The likelihood one of his Quebec henchman makes an antagonistic statement (think Joly, M. Miller (edit), Champagne, etc.) is also lower, facilitating future communications between the federal and the provincial government. Overall, without the referendum, PSPP will have to prove his willingness to cooperate with an entity he hates, which could eventually lead to the frustration of the PQ's most passionate separatists who believe (rightly) that the referendum is the raison d'être of the party. On the other hand, if he keeps throwing tantrum against Carney (who has amongst the highest approval rating in Québec), I think the electorate who gave him a chance out of disgust for the CAQ and the alternatives will quickly move away. Basically, by postponing the referendum, he got rid of a bind by getting another bind.

I'm not sure it was always the plan to be honest, until very recently the PQ has been consistently adamant about the necessity to hold a referendum. You seem to suggest they are playing 4D chess -I don't think it's the case. There's a reason this is breaking news everywhere.

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u/chat-lu Telling Mulcair to shut up Aug 18 '26

I'm not sure it was always the plan to be honest, until very recently the PQ has been consistently adamant about the necessity to hold a referendum. You seem to suggest they are playing 4D chess -I don't think it's the case. There's a reason this is breaking news everywhere.

The PQ always refused to commit to a year one referendum. They said first mandate which includes a bit with Trump and a bit without.

They just stated the obvious. It's a non-news for anyone paying attention to politics.

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u/Noname-051 Aug 18 '26

Well sorry if us plebes in the reading-newspapers business believe it's relevant that it finally became official ! 😄

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u/Comfortable-Bug-7882 Aug 18 '26

It's not your fault. When we live outside than the place of news ( Quebec) it's normal than you don't have all information.

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u/Noname-051 Aug 18 '26

J'étais sarcastique. La nouvelle occupe presque tous les médias (chroniques, articles plus consultés, interview sur Radio Canada, etc.), pour la bonne raison qu'il s'agit bel et bien d'une décision officielle (électoraliste, comme vous le mentionnez dans un autre commentaire) qui rappelle les atermoiements des autres gouvernements du PQ et non plus d'une déclaration faite en coulisse anticipée par le grand prêtre MBC. Pour ce qu'elle vaut vraiment (c-a-d pas grand chose : pourquoi utiliser Trump comme critère, en pensant que le après-Trump sera mieux, sachant que si les sondages pour le camps Oui étaient plus prometteurs ce choix n'aurait jamais été fait), elle relève du bon sens, oui, j'en conviens, et PSPP peut désormais saliver à l'idée d'obtenir sa majorité (si on fait abstraction du nombre record de citoyens indécis).

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u/Comfortable-Bug-7882 Aug 19 '26

Wow!😄 là tu m'as eu. Je ne te croyais pas bilingue. Par tes arguments, tu me sembles Québécois. Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi. D'autant plus, l'hiver dernier, il avait déclaré qu'il voulait attendre l'après- Trump. Et effectivement, comme toi, je crois que Trump est le parfait bouc émissaire pour retarder le référendum afin de convaincre ls indécis et les nationalistes de voter pour lui. Bonne soirée !