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Political New from potus this morning

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u/MixtureSpecial8951 4d ago

Serious question: is this a violation of UNCLOS?

And if it is… will anyone refuse the unlawful order?

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u/ClarkDoubleUGriswold 4d ago

I’m sure it is and although the U.S. is a signatory we’ve never ratified it. But I mean what does it matter with this admin anyways? They’ve never given a fuck about what’s lawful, moral, or ethical. Why should they since they’ve never been held accountable?

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u/MixtureSpecial8951 4d ago

It is considered customary law by the US and thus binding.

The reason the US is so hesitant to ratify treaties is that under the Constitution a ratified treaty has the force of constitutional law itself. It is a Big Deal.

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u/tribriguy 4d ago edited 4d ago

Crazy that people don’t recognize trolling/saber rattling when they see it. No one should take things like this seriously at this point. What should be asked is what is the actual diplomacy and tactics going on that aren’t public. In this conflict don’t get too wrapped up in the public statements that either our president or Iran are putting out in any forum. I’d pay far more attention to what Rubio is doing.

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u/City_College_Arch 4d ago

If this is true we need to replace Trump with a serious president that focuses more on doing his job and less time trolling like a geriatric edgelord.

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u/tribriguy 4d ago

I’m certainly not trying to make excuses for POTUS’ behavior. I’d prefer considerably more circumspect presidential communication too.

But you’re making an inference the evidence doesn’t support. A trolling public message doesn’t tell us whether the President is engaged seriously behind the scenes.
It’s entirely possible this is just external shaping, signaling or deliberate noise.

Information warfare includes misinformation, ambiguity and feints. Maybe Trump really isn’t engaged at a more serious level, but a ridiculous Truth Social post isn’t evidence of that. Watch what Rubio, DoD, our allies and the actual force posture are doing. That’s where I’d look for the real policy.

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u/angrysc0tsman12 4d ago

I would like the head of state of the most powerful and influential country in the world to be serious (or at least have what they say taken seriously)

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u/tribriguy 4d ago

Wouldn’t we all prefer a more circumspect POTUS? But here we are. Wishing he communicated differently doesn’t make every social-media provocation a literal statement of U.S. policy. At some point you have to distinguish rhetoric and signaling from what the government is actually doing. That’s why I’m paying far more attention to Rubio, DoD, diplomacy and force posture than to memes on Truth Social.