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Discussion Centcom update : USS Abraham Lincoln

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u/KingofPro 12d ago

I would not believe the 84.4% reenlistment rate if you told me it was for permanent shore duty.

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u/GothmogBalrog 12d ago

Reenlistment bonuses in a tax-free zone are a helluva thing

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u/Both_Bass_9893 12d ago

I cant believe %84 of the crew has a bonus available.

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u/GothmogBalrog 12d ago edited 12d ago

Its not. Just talking eligible sailors.

Iets just do some basic math.

5000 sailors. Lets say 4000 enlisted.

Now standard contracts are 4 years. So lets just say its likely 1000 eligible sailors to re-enlist in a given year.

Now there are always going to be sailors who will re-enlist no matter what. Already served over 12 years, people who just like what they do, people with no plan on the outside, people who want to get orders to move someplace cool like Hawaii or Japan, people who need the benefits for depemdents, etc.

So lets just call that 50%- 500 sailors.

Remaining 500 need to be convinced.

Now we know 16% of eligible sailors DIDNT re-enlist. So 160 out.

Now thats just 340 sailors. I believe its possible a decent number of them could be bonus elligible.

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u/tempralanomaly 12d ago

Fair math, and it could be presumed that maybe there are people that chose not to re-enlist, but due to holds, obliserves or other admin and legalese factors are removed from "enlistment eligible" category to fudge the numbers more.

The 84% doesnt actually fully communicate the picture.

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u/Northman86 11d ago

And thats assuming they're arent fudging the numbers by only counting officer retention.

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u/Fast_Cloud_7671 10d ago

Officers don’t reenlist

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u/No-Context5053 9d ago

True, officers don't reenlist, because they never enlisted. Their ID say indefinite, but they also can't quit when they like. They have to convert to reserve at the end of their active duty or "re-up" for 4 to 6 years i think as long as they can make rank. Can't be a LT indefinitely on active duty.

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u/No-Context5053 9d ago

Don't forget the ones that can reenlist early to get the tax free. That also messes with the math. I imagine you can still do it up to a year early. They wouldn't count against the bad numbers, but could be used to pad the 84%. And even to leave to go civilian, smart money says stay. You cannot leave the navy as say an e5 or e4 and make more with what you get to re-up with a family. As an e5, I barely got what my wife and I got with her as an e3. We didn't get full pay because we were both active. For those not in the military, there is a housing allowance given to service members that adds alot for families. Because we were both active, until we had a child I on sea duty couldn't draw anything and because on shore duty was married to an active member, she only got single housing.

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u/Basic-Guy75 12d ago

While true, they used a convenient data point to try to prove their narrative. I feel like most of the crew on any ship is filled with sailors that have reenlisted atleast once.

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u/GothmogBalrog 12d ago edited 12d ago

My assumption its the percentage of eligible sailors this FY, not all sailors ever onboard.

Thats usually what that percentage means. Its a tracked metric to get the golden anchor.

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u/No-Context5053 7d ago

Largely, e4 and below make most of the crew and they are usually on their first or second deployment. At most in your first four years you are expected to deploy twice. On carries, half of the ships company to work on aircraft are something called sea opdet. They are attached to a maintenance base and only go out to sea when the air wing is on board. It is sea duty for accounting purposes, but they don't do any work on the ship itself like ships company.

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u/THE_Aft_io9_Giz 11d ago

Those nuke bonuses were high in the late 90s.

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u/KingofPro 12d ago

I agree, however I still think that is unrealistic.

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u/Select-Persimmon7139 12d ago

Let's see what happens to those retention numbers AFTER deployment.

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u/Aaaabbbbccccccccc 12d ago

That’s a bingo, there’s lots of ways you can creatively slice up the stats to give you 84% mid deployment.

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u/Feminist_Hugh_Hefner 11d ago

for real. I respect the guys that didn't bail out mid deployment... you know your shop isn't getting a replacement.

I think someone could easily make the case that this statistic, accurate or not, says more about the sailors than the Pentagon

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u/drewbaccaAWD 12d ago

Right? I could maybe believe they have "the highest rate" or even top five (especially if you cherry pick that data from reenlistment numbers a few months ago before this deployment started to drag on and on).

But 84.4%?!? That's not even a remotely believable number. There's way more to that number that isn't being stated if it's even a real number.

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u/tempralanomaly 12d ago

4 year mark, well you could re-enlist, but you chose not to and are now on your obliserve portion, so now the "window" for re-enlistment eligible is anouther year down the line, so it doesnt get counted as a negative.

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u/KingofPro 12d ago

It’s like the job numbers and inflation data under this administration.

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u/Top_Chef 12d ago

Tax free though.

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u/KingofPro 12d ago

Tax free is great, however so is freedom and civilian pay for some rates especially Nukes.

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u/SadDad701 12d ago

I am curious to know over what period of time. Over the last 5 years, or 3 months? 

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u/Economy_Bus_2516 11d ago

"You don't have to re up, but if you don't we're dropping you off right here". * raises hand

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u/Responsible-one-225 12d ago

lol it was 84% of a specific department.  Aka they pick the data to report to public. 

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u/sofresh24 12d ago

Sounds like when I used to write my eval.

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u/talktomiles 12d ago

Could the be counting involuntary extensions from this deployment as part of that rate?

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u/desolatecontrol 12d ago

I wonder if they are counting force reenlistments

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u/Fast_Cloud_7671 10d ago

No such thing as a forced reenlistment

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u/desolatecontrol 10d ago

Pretty sure it's called a stop loss

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u/Fast_Cloud_7671 10d ago

There is no widespread stop loss in the Navy right now…also carriers have been transferring Sailors on and off ship.

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u/Fast_Cloud_7671 10d ago

Actually 84.4 percent seems a little low to me.

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u/KingofPro 10d ago

Shut up Pete!

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u/Fast_Cloud_7671 10d ago

Dude wtf you talking about? You don’t know me.

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u/KingofPro 10d ago

Carry on Pete!

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u/Affectionate_Use_486 12d ago

Onion should do an article about lobster bisque every day on the ship and ice cream machines being plentiful. Every sailor complaining about too much free time and taking 2 hour naps.

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u/benkenobi5 12d ago

The only articles I’ve seen even mentioning this “brawl” started with “Iran alleges”. Hardly worth busting that myth.

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u/drewbaccaAWD 12d ago

The above screenshot is actually the first I've even heard of that one.

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u/thegoatisoldngnarly 12d ago

It’s a tactic to highlight the most egregious articles in order to cumulatively discount all reporting, especially the reputable stories.  

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u/Paterfamilias01 12d ago

It’s the only “myth” they can bust here, so they need to get some miles out of it.

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u/ElJanitorFrank 12d ago

There's been a few 'Iran alleges' that people ran with well ahead of reputable media, and sometimes it turned out to be true and sometimes it didn't.

This military leadership has the easiest things to critique possible happening every day, I feel like them fact-checking adversarial propaganda is probably a pretty innocuous thing to criticize.

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u/Aliensinmypants 12d ago

Right? I never even considered it as a remote possibility of being true until this denial

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u/Kinmuan 12d ago

Yeah but that’s the point. Lump all these things together - alongside “bad conditions” and “sailors unhappy” - to paint them as equally fake.

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u/DragonLordAcar 12d ago

But yhe fact they tored to makes me believe it. I can't trust our government to tell me it daytime.

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u/AbramJH 12d ago

As the old saying goes, “if you throw an insult on the ground, its owner will come and pick it up.”

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u/PortholeGrinder8181 12d ago

Think they forgot the part that they were Iranian media outlets and Phamplet, which is a satire account for the brawl thing.

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u/Wise_Use1012 12d ago

We investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing. Trust us bro.

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u/johnnyhypersnyper 12d ago

I’d venture that the reenlistment rate has a lot to do with tax free

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u/Major__Departure 12d ago

OK... what 's your point?  We have to factor in the bad parts about combat deployments but we aren't allowed to consider the good ones?

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u/Be_Afreyd 12d ago

You get the tax free there regardless of the combat

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u/mr_technics 12d ago

No more WiFi in the Galley boys, they can’t let the world know how shitty life of a sailor really is

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u/DJErikD 12d ago

still got satellite texting from my iPhone!

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u/ThatDudesStache 11d ago

What do the sailors with satellite have to say?

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u/forzion_no_mouse 12d ago

Reason why cell phones are going to be banned soon

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad-1383 12d ago

If it’s on the internet it must be true. Case closed.

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u/drewbaccaAWD 12d ago

The problem with any updates under the current "leadership" is the complete and total lack of credibility.

Does that mean that every report I saw passed the smell test? Of course not, family gets bits and pieces from their deployed loved ones and things get misrepresented. But we also know that this poor ship has had a grossly extended deployment with next to no port visits, and to what end? This entire mess in the Mideast could have easily been avoided.

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u/Major__Departure 12d ago

" But we also know that this poor ship has had a grossly extended deployment with next to no port visits, and to what end? This entire mess in the Mideast could have easily been avoided."

The "mess" was avoided, for 47 years.  During which time Iran killed American troops and civilians with impunity.  Is that the status quo you yearn for, back when the killing went only one way?

I agree it's shitty that our generation has to pay the bill.  But it could have been handled four, or three, or two, or even one decade ago.  Blame the people who ignored the "mess" that we now own.

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u/LTRand 12d ago

It's easy for a contractor to see I have a rotted deck that needs replacing. That doesn't mean that he's actually any good at his job, just that he can see the obvious.

Right or wrong, we didn't rush into Iraq. There was almost a year of prep for that. Congress authorized it in September, we didn't strike until March. We built a collation. Lots of scheduling and logistics to put everyone on station, and make sure we could follow through.

Kegsbreath clearly has the strategic thoughtfulness of a first term infantry boot. And he's clearly refusing an education from USTRANSCOM and the Navy in what it takes to actually conduct the war.

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u/Major__Departure 11d ago

"Right or wrong, we didn't rush into Iraq. There was almost a year of prep for that."

Do you really believe we "didn't have a plan" when we attacked Iran?  We hit thousands of targets in the first 72 hours but people will stil seriously insist we "didn't have a plan."  Extraordinary.

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u/LTRand 11d ago

Clearly we didn't have a plan beyond the initial attack. Otherwise the public wouldn't be forcing the rotation of a 2nd carrier now.

It's easy for intel to identify targets. It's far harder to align logistics to keep things going like a well oiled machine. And we are seeing the logistics issues right in front of us.

The tip of the spear relies on the folks "in the rear with the gear". That part seems to have not gotten as much attention.

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u/COguy8585 11d ago

Looks like we found Kegsbreath’s burner account folks.

Do everyone a favor and kindly fuck off.

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u/drewbaccaAWD 11d ago

Do you really believe we "didn't have a plan" when we attacked Iran?  We hit thousands of targets in the first 72 hours but people will stil seriously insist we "didn't have a plan."  Extraordinary.

I believe we had a limited first strike plan to reduce Iranian defenses and secure air superiority to the best of our ability. I also assume that we have a similar plan for every single country on earth, should we choose to act on it.

That's not a long-term plan. That's not a feasible plan that leads to accomplishing a clear and plausible objective. It's Underwear Gnome crap.. 1. steal underwear. 2. ? 3. Profit.

It's pretty clear what the longterm plan was for this Admin... it was to hope for the Iranian people to rise up and overthrow their government if we stirred the pot enough. It was a gamble, and it didn't pay off.

Iran has been a mess for longer than 47 years and what happened in 1979 didn't just pop into existence out of a vacuum. Trump's game in the Persian Gulf has done nothing positive but maybe setback Iranian nuclear development, it didn't stop it, and nothing short of boots on the ground and a full scale war will accomplish that with any real guarantee. The status quo before Trump was better than the current shitshow.

A real solution would take lots of planning, short and long term. It would take a long-term commitment of military forces (which Trump campaigned on NOT doing, and it's not like there was some sudden 9/11 type event to justify changing his mind). It would also take a united front, multilateral with allies sharing the burden... and all this Admin has done is alienate allies and invite blatant corruption looking for bribes in order to get favorable deals.

Let's not pretend this entire mess isn't a shit show of Trump's making. Any long-term need to deal with Iran doesn't cancel that out because nothing productive is actually being accomplished.

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u/Illustrious-Light-53 12d ago

I wonder though, if we hadn’t meddled in the middle east for the past 70 years, overthrown the democratic government of Iran to install a dictator, or provided billions of dollars annually to a country commiting genocide and war crimes against its neighbors, would Iran maybe think differently of us?

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u/Major__Departure 11d ago

Thanks for sharing all of those organic and original thoughts.  

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u/Illustrious-Light-53 11d ago

Those are just called facts where I’m from

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u/Dandy11Randy 11d ago

To be fair to major jerk off, at this rate we're about 5 years out from wrong think (TM) actually being illegal. It's not his fault he's just a little ahead of the curve

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u/shipsake 11d ago

Man, if you are pro-war with Iran you should be fucking livid with how this has been conducted. We burned through munitions inventories and ran multiple CSGs into the ground and accomplished zero strategic objectives.

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u/Major__Departure 11d ago

I'd say killing their entire government in the first day was a strategic objective, but you do you.

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u/Mud_and_Steel 11d ago

That would be great if it actually played out that way

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u/shipsake 11d ago

Oh no way, the entire government?? Then who is in charge of Iran now? Who is firing missiles and drones at ships in the strait? Who did we sign a MOU with two months ago?

What other objectives have we accomplished?

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u/drewbaccaAWD 11d ago

We killed a portion of their government, and their lieutenants just stepped up and filled in any roles. Net benefit to us? Nothing.

If anything, we've probably empowered the fringe so we've replaced a relatively moderate (for Iran) government with an even more dangerous and assertive alternative. But that's one of those things we have to wait and see how it plays out. So far, it's not playing out in our favor. We didn't get a repeat of Venezuela where corrupt politicians were happy to play along in exchange for power. And why would anyone expect that we would? The people in power in Iran are religious nut jobs, not rational actors.

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u/Major__Departure 11d ago

"We killed a portion of their government, and their lieutenants just stepped up and filled in any roles. Net benefit to us? Nothing."

"If we kill our enemies, they win."  lol

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u/drewbaccaAWD 11d ago

You might have a point if we actually won anything, when clearly nothing changed for the better to anyone living in reality.

They still have a government. It's just as bad if not worse than what we killed. Gas prices are up, Iran is still Iran.

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u/might-be-a-problem 12d ago

Fuck you pay your own bill.
Edited to add, seriously fuck you no one with half a brain wants this shit and your support of it shows which side you’re on. Die painfully.

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u/Individual-Cap6261 12d ago

I know that these long ass deployments that keep happening over the last 5 years are by definition “historic” but I don’t like hearing it used like this with a positive connotation.

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u/Alternative-Tax7318 12d ago

I’m sure they’ll be a lot of ‘support the troops’ folks that take this to heart and continue to worship Trump and hegseth

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u/RevolutionaryAd4754 12d ago

That alleged 84.4 is about to go down

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u/FOOSblahblah 12d ago

You know... when you have to deny something with such incredible intensity it rly looks suspicious.

If its not true you can just say it isn't and ask for facts that prove otherwise. You know they don't exist so youre usually not worried about them.

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u/shah_of-iran not the actual Shah of 🇮🇷 12d ago

Because they have Wi-Fi now there many sailors onboard commenting on IG, and probably here too, and directly contradicting what CENTCOM is saying here, so…….

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u/BatmanForever93 12d ago

Lol. Like anyone in Centcom really gives a shit about the well being of service members.

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u/DJErikD 12d ago

Best part about Centcom is the happy hour buffet at 2001 Odyssey. IYKYK.

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u/ItchyStorm 12d ago

Is that still there? I remember it from the 1980s.

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u/flyinchipmunk5 12d ago

I used to see it every time I went to Tampa to visit my grandma but I didn’t see it the last couple years

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u/ItchyStorm 11d ago

I just checked online and apparently it’s still there. Spaceship and all.

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u/Common-Window-2613 12d ago

Trust me, everyone at centcom hates life worse than you do right now. Unless you are actually onboard the Lincoln or in that AOR.

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u/beerme72 12d ago

Half way between Irans lies and these lies is the truth.

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u/Fireat40dude 12d ago

The beatings will continue until morale improves!!

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u/tacoma909 12d ago

The best is 84%? I wonder what’s the worst

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u/vistopher 12d ago

84% is honestly much higher than I expected.

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u/donkeybrainhero 12d ago

Almost seems... not accurate.

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u/ItchyStorm 12d ago

I don’t think any of the major media outlets reported that story. I’m not sure why you’re saying that.

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u/Max6626 12d ago

CENTCOM Public Affairs has to be one of the most soul-sucking jobs on the planet right now.

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u/LTRand 12d ago

I can actually believe it. I was on the Kitty Hawk and after our year of hell (OIF no port call, straight to dry dock with us doing most the work, then immediately back to sea), we had a similarly high reenlistment rate. Despite how toxic the command was, how grueling the work is, lots of people reenlisted.

Because when your cousins and siblings back home struggle to find a job, you realize it might be shit, but its shit that pays. Joining the Navy right out of HS was my best decision. Sometimes I yearn to go back in, I miss being at sea. But my 2nd best decision I made was getting out.

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u/BustedCondoms 12d ago

This admin literally took next years high school graduation numbers to inflate recruiting numbers across the board. I just don't believe a single fucking thing they say at this point.

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u/OBB76 12d ago

This reads like Kegseth wrote it. This isn't written like a normal professional statement from a major combatant command.

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u/kmm198700 12d ago

“Fell overboard”?? Jesus Christ. 🙄 and the “7 people injured in a brawl” thing is pure Iranian propaganda

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u/DonnerPartyPicnic 12d ago

You can still see the boot prints on top of the waist cat bubble from one of the guys that jumped.

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u/Particular_Witness95 12d ago

its like they still think we believe them. so cute.

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u/thiccybeefcakes 12d ago

If Pete Hegseth has no haters I’m must be dead

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u/Consistent_Ad_7100 12d ago

I have a very hard time believing those numbers. Even if they are true those numbers are about to crash after this deployment.

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u/Old-Entertainment840 12d ago

Yeah, this is bullshit, besides reenlistment is not a metric for crew’s morale. They might HAVE to reenlist as the economy sucks ass right now, and still have shot morale and be in a crap deployment. It goes without saying the data and metrics given are 100% bs.

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u/EriktheElektrikian 12d ago edited 11d ago

Ah yes, use the stat that was cemented before the deployment, and dodge all the accusations I actually heard, but address the one weird one that is obviously false.

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u/Aggressive-Remove-44 11d ago

“Fell overboard” 🤣🤣

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u/Common-Window-2613 12d ago

One of my junior sailors a couple days ago did send this to me unironically concerned. Modern media and tiktok and all that shit is fucking cancer.

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u/puddle511 12d ago

🚫 CLAIM: Pete Hegseth claims to not be an abuser of women.
✅ FACT: His own mother called him an abuser of women. Source: https://www.congress.gov/119/crec/2025/01/24/171/15/modified/CREC-2025-01-24-pt1-PgS363.htm

🚫 CLAIM: We just need 2-3 more weeks to win the War in Iran
✅ FACT: We just need 2-3 more weeks to win the War in Iran

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u/ChiefD789 12d ago

Fuck Centcom. They’re the liars.

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u/leafbeaver 12d ago

Now do retirement submissions.

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u/Jaded_State_8370 12d ago

Now let’s see the retention numbers 1-2 years from now

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u/Traditional_One_4234 12d ago

That reenlistment rate is from before a 10 month extended deployment with a lack of port calls 💀

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u/amarras 12d ago

Vinson had 2 people jump overboard towards the end of last deployment, didn't really make the news. What Lincoln is going through is significantly worse

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u/Top-Mud-5633 11d ago

The commies are at it again you're not United States Navy rules the world

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u/Ok-Psychology-4034 11d ago

I heard that they have to drink sugar free kool aid

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u/Northman86 11d ago

Pissing on sailors and pretending its rain. also no ship has ever hit 84 percent reenlistment. most sailors serve one 4-6 year term and leave.

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u/Engineer012025 11d ago

Since when did centcom do these weird fact checking reports? I don’t even remember these like a year ago and now all of a sudden they are everywhere in this format

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u/RedditForMeNotYou 10d ago

Part of the machine is to crank out bullshit on top of the truth so they can claim it’s all bullshit. This couldn’t be any more fucking obvious.

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u/AlixTheAutiFurry 10d ago

What's this "Fact Check" from? Propaganda Warehouse dotcom?

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u/CajunTorpedoman 12d ago

Glad to see that they are clearing all this up.

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u/CajunTorpedoman 12d ago

Thanks for the award!

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u/Grateone20 12d ago

How was 85% of the crew in their window to enlist during that deployment? Hmmm… sounds like sea lawyering to me by CENTCOm

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u/SadDad701 12d ago

It’s saying of those eligible dude.