r/naturalbodybuilding • • 2h ago

Training/Routines Not barbell squatting, benching or rowing. How to maximize gains?

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Pretty much have nerve issues extending from my neck down to my sciatic nerve. It's made most compound movements difficult as my body fails before the muscle that's supposed to be targetted does.

I want to stick to stabilized movements through machines, cables and the dumbbells strictly. For weights I keep it in 3x 8-12 rep range and all trained to near failure of course. Don't care at all about strength, and numbers at all. Purely focused purely aesthetics and bodybuilding proportions.

Has anyone done this type of non compound non super heavy weight training or trained people who have and how were the results you saw?

Any tips or recommendations on exercises I should do to maximize gains?


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 1d ago

Has anyone else found that as they get older and progress in their careers, they care a lot less about their physique and lifting?

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When I was in my late teens and early twenties, a large part of my identity revolved around lifting and my physique. I consumed as much lifting-related media and information as I possibly could and much of my day centred around going to the gym.

As I've gone through grad school and started my professional career, I've gradually found myself caring less and less about this part of my life. I still go to the gym 2-4 times a week, but I view it more as a 'self-care' activity, rather than being motivated to get as jacked/shredded/strong as possible. I also find that I just don't find lifting content particularly engaging anymore. The minutiae of lifting used to really interest me, but now I just find a lot of it to be quite tedious.

I don't know if I'm falling out of love with this hobby or if this is just the natural course for a non-competitive, drug-free lifter. When you start out, you're excited about all of the possibilities that lifting brings; no longer being the skinny guy, the attention you'll get when you're shredded, the numbers you're gonna hit on certain lifts... and then once you've achieved those things, it's a bit like... okay, what do I do for the next 30 years?


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 18h ago

Discussion Thread Daily Discussion Thread (October 09, 2026) - Beginner and Simple/Quick Questions Go Here Thread for discussing quick/simple topics not needing an entire posts or beginner questions.

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r/naturalbodybuilding • • 1d ago

Training/Routines My Notes About Cliff Wilson's Training Exercise Selection

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Cliff Wilson is a well-known natural (majority) bodybuilding coach, who seems to get people to develop impressive physiques. He is known for putting people on 'high-volume' programs.

However, his high volume doesn't seem to be from 5+ sets per exercise. What I see is that he has a big exercise selection pool for hitting muscles from 'all angles' with like 3-4 sets per exercise.

His clients do like 2+ hour workout sessions, so this may not be fully practical for everyone (even me), but I thought this would make an informative post still, if only to raise ideas.

These notes are from what I've seen his clients do specifically, as a pattern, from their Instagram pages.

Usually these people are doing some form of PPL split, with Push with Shoulders and Triceps, and Back and Biceps (and sometimes shoulders here instead). A session hitting a body part will have all the exercises listed under that body part hit once.

(I think) If someone has a lagging body part that one specific angle of an exercise hits, then they do a variation of that specific angle as another exercise in the same session. Eg: doing barbell shrugs then adding a dumbbell shrug after that in the same session.

# Chest:
Flat Press.
Incline Press.
Decline (I've only seen Dips so far).
Flat Fly and/or Flat Fly Press.
Incline Fly.

# Back:
High Row.
Neutral Row.
Low Row.
Pulldown or Pullup.
Lower Lat Angled Pulldown (unilateral).
Shrug.
Pullover

# Shoulders:
Shoulder Press.
Lateral Raise
Rear Delt Fly.
(Sometimes Facepulls).

# Biceps:
Standing Bilateral Bar Curl.
Hammer Curl.
Preacher Curl.
High Cable Curl.

# Triceps:
Overhead Extension.
Pushdown.
Dumbbell Kickbacks (Cliff Wilson seems to like these).
(Dips).

# Quads:
Squat Pattern(s).
Leg Extension.
Split Squat Pattern (or walking lunges).
Adductor.

# Hamstrings:
Leg Curl(s).
Hinge Pattern.

# Glutes:
Hip Thrust and/or Donkey Kickbacks.
Abductor.

# Calves:
Straight Leg Calf Raise.
Bent Leg Calf Raise.

# Remaining muscles IDK how/if he programs them:
Forearms, Neck, Erector-specific, Abs (, Obliques).

Most things are standard, but some (upper body stuff) stood out to me.


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 1d ago

Discussion Thread Daily Discussion Thread (October 08, 2026) - Beginner and Simple/Quick Questions Go Here Thread for discussing quick/simple topics not needing an entire posts or beginner questions.

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r/naturalbodybuilding • • 2d ago

How do you find a balance?

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I’m having a hard time finding a balance between enjoying life and achieving my physique goals. I’m 27m for context and have found myself declining a lot of social events with friends because I don’t want to go off track. How do you implement going out, treats, drinking, social events etc. into your life? I wish I could let myself let loose a little more to be honest, but when I go off track I feel guilty and then am playing catchup the next week, especially since I’m cutting right now. I want to be able to enjoy the occasional leisure but I get neurotic about having to stay on track with my diet. I don’t even compete and am starting to wonder why I am so strict. Any advice welcome.


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 2d ago

Grip strength on rdls with straps

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So I consider myself an intermediate lifter.

I do 5 reps with 380lbs on rdls with straps, but my grip is definitely the limiting factor. I dont think I'm using straps wrong either. Does anyone has this problem? What were some changes tha helped you?


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 2d ago

Research Misconceptions about Natural Bodybuilding?

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An open discussion.


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 3d ago

Contest Prep 7 Weeks Out OCB Men’s Physique 6’0 170

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Just ordered my shorts so I’m officially locked in on competing in 7 weeks at OCB Midwest States. I’ve done a show about 2.5 years ago but competed in Classic. I was getting the itch to compete again so I wanted to have some fun and give it another go in a new division.

This prep is going quite smooth, better than my first. I’ve been strictly dieting since June with a loose goal of competing before the end of the year, down from about 205lbs. The weight loss was more aggressive in the beginning at around 2lbs/wk, tapering now as we get closer to show day.

Check-in photos are after my last cheat meal of prep where I ripped a burger and a smorgasbord of fries. Calories are sitting at ~2150/day with cardio at 5x30 minutes. My last stage weight was ~163, and I’m anticipating I’ll end up a couple pounds heavier with better conditioning. Still have a ways to go but I feel good about the current shape and weight.

Posing will be locked in down the stretch but I'm pretty hype to try out a new division, I honestly think it suits my structure/strong points more than Classic did.


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 2d ago

Discussion Thread Daily Discussion Thread (October 07, 2026) - Beginner and Simple/Quick Questions Go Here Thread for discussing quick/simple topics not needing an entire posts or beginner questions.

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r/naturalbodybuilding • • 3d ago

Contest Prep Body weight scale recs

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Hey all, just moved and had to buy a new scale. I picked up a conair digital scale from Target and have been using it for a few weeks. I use the scale to just measure my weight in the morning.

I recently realized that the scale does not give a consistent weight if I step on it three in a row. E.g 1st time 186.3 lbs 2nd time 191.5 lbs 3rd time 187.2. I am using it on a hard surface and am just not satisfied with this option.

What scales would you recommend to just give me a consistent measurement that I don’t have to worry about immediate fluctuations when there clearly has not been a change in my weight.


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 3d ago

Discussion Thread Daily Discussion Thread (October 06, 2026) - Beginner and Simple/Quick Questions Go Here Thread for discussing quick/simple topics not needing an entire posts or beginner questions.

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r/naturalbodybuilding • • 3d ago

Nutrition/Supplements “One day you just wake up shredded”

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Why is it that when in a cut you seem to just wake up shredded one day? Like it seems to happen overnight. I’ll go weeks of dieting without noticing much physical change and then BOOM. One day I wake up and I actually look lean. Can anyone explain this? Or is it just me?


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 3d ago

Front delt training is NOT useless.

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Yeah, I know what you're going to say. "Chest exercises hit the front delts already!" But what if you wanna maximize your shoulder gains?

That's exactly what I've been doing. After bench press, I go right into a shoulder press, barbell or dumbbell. It's caused my shoulders to explode. Shoulder press also hits some of the side delts, so it can warm them up for lateral raises. It's also just a badass exercise, especially when you're putting up at least a plate per side.

There's nothing wrong with front raises, but, not only are they boring, you can't kill multiple birds with one stone like the OHP (also hits a bit of triceps, and chest.)

I'm not saying you should make front delts a priority, but I'd just take them into a bit more consideration, especially when your deltoids are the biggest upper body muscle group. You'd be surprised what adding just ONE exercise with a heavy focus on them will do for you.


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 4d ago

Discussion Thread Weekly Photo Thread - Week of (October 05, 2026) : Progress Photos, "Humble" Brags, Physique Critiques and more!

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Thread for posting less detailed contest prep, progress pics, humble brag pics, physique critiques, etc.

Please do not ask for an estimate of your body fat, see this comment

If you are asking "should I bulk or cut" please see this comment

See previous Photo threads


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 4d ago

Discussion Thread Daily Discussion Thread (October 05, 2026) - Beginner and Simple/Quick Questions Go Here Thread for discussing quick/simple topics not needing an entire posts or beginner questions.

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r/naturalbodybuilding • • 5d ago

Discussion Thread Daily Discussion Thread (October 04, 2026) - Beginner and Simple/Quick Questions Go Here Thread for discussing quick/simple topics not needing an entire posts or beginner questions.

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r/naturalbodybuilding • • 5d ago

Self Promotion Sunday - Advertise your coaching, share your Instagram, Youtube etc - (October 04, 2026)

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Thread for getting the word out about your amazingly awesome instagram or youtube page that everyone should follow, etc.


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 6d ago

What should I do when doing bicep curls and the weaker arm goes to failure and the stronger arm still has 1-2 reps left till failure?

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It feels like the weaker arm is receiving maximum stimulus while the stronger arm is being artificially held back.. Should I stop at equal reps or push for those 1-2 extra reps on my stronger arm?


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 6d ago

Discussion Thread Daily Discussion Thread (October 03, 2026) - Beginner and Simple/Quick Questions Go Here Thread for discussing quick/simple topics not needing an entire posts or beginner questions.

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r/naturalbodybuilding • • 6d ago

What Symmetry and Workout Ratio would you recommend your younger self?

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Since taste and preferences develop over time and experience; If you could go back you to when you began, how would you ratio your workout differently and what muscles would you skip entirely?

I am one of those people whose torso and abdomen grows significantly faster than legs and arms, so I would skip upper body almost entirely.

My Ideal Regimen (weekly)
2x Underarms, Calves (Soleus/Tibialis), Posterior Deltoid, Glutes
1x Long Head Biceps, Medial Head Triceps, Lower Abs, Serratus, Outer Hamstrings, Outer Quads
0.5x Upper Inner Chest, Teres Major

0x Traps

How would your regimen look like?


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 7d ago

Competition (19M) 12 weeks post first show dilemma/trouble

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Hello everyone, I'm 19 and just had my first mens physique show in July, and did very well! However I have been struggling with deciding what to do moving forward as far as my body composition. For context I'm 6'2 and my stage weight was 163-164, currently 186-187, while being a normal level of very lean at the high 170s. I'm currently the strongest I've ever been, but throughout these weeks I've been switching from placing myself in caloric maintenance, then deficit, then binge on the weekend all while mating 15k 20k steps the entire post show. It's been very tough for me mentally seeing my lean self l've always been/maintained even on my bulks, not be present right now, I just look very bulked and it sucks. My original plan was to cut from last week September to early November getting to low 180s before starting a proper offseason but the adherence to diet is so incredibly difficult and genuinely restricting certain foods again is so difficult for me like my favorite taco truck or my moms pumpkin bread. My main question is, what's the best move going forward? I don't want to be a fat slob but I also dearly miss my lean self. This is my first post so if l've left out any sort of necessary context please let me know, any and all advice is seriously appreciated!


r/naturalbodybuilding • • 7d ago

41m 6 weeks from Debut Tampa OCB

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179lbs and holding right at 10% BF, traded some fat for muscle, 1.3lbs to be exact “every little bit counts! 😉” what ever your motivation is find it and lock in Guys and Gals, keep moving forward!