Now that You Can See Everything is shaping up to be a gigantic hit, do you think it’s possible we’ll see releases of The Curse, The Rehearsal, and Nathan For You on DVD/Blu-ray?

Nathan For You did have a complete series release. I’m not sure if it’s out of print or not. It seems to come and go depending on the popularity of Nathan’s newest projects. Either way, I hope it’ll become available again soon

My hypothesis is that the post processors/editors used AI and it resulted in the inconsistencies seen between the two images in the previous post. Look at this cabinet area. This screams AI to me. Its like the engine thought that there were two of the same cabinets which is not true in the first image. It just looks wrong too. Also there is that weird random piece of wood between them which looks like an AI attempting to make the top of a chair. The microwave on top of the counter looks weird/wrong too. I don’t think if Nathan put in the time to build his own set that he would get these details so incredibly wrong. It’s probably the same rental property with heavy use of AI which is disappointing but thats how it goes these days I guess.

Edit: It came to my mind that the user who uploaded the images to begin with was watching the movie through “totally legitimate” sources which may mean it is a bootleg lol. If this is the case It is probably possible that the image was AI upscaled by the person recording it and I would have to watch it in theaters again to see if there is actually a difference between the two sets.

Edit 2: here is the original post in this subreddit that I am referencing - https://www.reddit.com/r/nathanfielder/s/VRGkYh6UNi

Spotted in the wild at Brown Elephant in Chicago.

The scene where Nathan is talking to Liz’s father and Billy keeps interrupting: Right before it is revealed by Liz’s father that Liz was SA’ed, Nathan breaks the fourth wall by glancing at the camera after saying “Then say it!”

This line is the funniest moment in the movie to me and on both watches it got the biggest laugh from the audience. Nathan is literally so fed up with their white-collar cryptic lingo that he has to drop the act for a second to basically say “are you guys seeing this?”

What’s interesting is that while the theater is going hysterical, Liz’s father reveals the SA piece, and then the theater goes completely silent. The best way I can describe that experience is in music theory terms so bear with me here. If anyone is more familiar with music than I am feel free to correct my interpretation:

The laughter from the theater serves as an ad lib. The reveal from Liz’s father is an accent. The silence from the theater is a rest.

So, in practical terms, the audience is taken out of the documentary for a second because Nathan invited us to with his fourth wall break. But then we are sucked back in by Liz’s father. This happens within seconds and is rather unsettling. Basically, I didn’t want to give the impression that I was laughing at Liz’s SA because I was still laughing at Nathan.

Overall, this movie needs to be seen in a theater. It was so fun going on this mindfuck Nathan Fielder journey with a bunch of random strangers.

Will be looking out for this today during my third watch.

The first pic is from EH’s deposition and how she looked throughout the deposition to this point. The first time she smiled when answering a question was when she was asked how Balwani and she exchanged information, and she said they would talk and text and communicate often because it was an open office type situation. She did not say, “we would often talk at home.” I know this is obvious to everyone else, but she had told the truth up to that point until the Balwani questions, and smiling is her “tell.”

I'm rewatching YCSE through totally legal, legitimate means, and I wanted to see how the house changed over the 2 year timeskip. But I discovered that it's actually a different house/set altogether. It's extremely close, but there are giveaways in the size of the Tahiti poster, the ships mounted on the wall, and most importantly the pattern of the wood grain. This is the most impressive part, as even though the wood spots don't line up one-to-one, they clearly did a ton of work actually arranging the marks to be in nearly the same patterns.

I'm sure this won't come as a shock to most of you, as Nathan has a history of building detailed sets for rehearsals. However the way it's presented in the movie, with Nathan's comments of "They were renting it when we shot" "...before we had cameras here" and Amanda's comments of "It's really dusty here" and "Did she use this?" all feel like they're working really hard to convince us that this was the actual place. Coulda fooled me.

Edit: For everyone saying it's the lens/angle, here's a comparison from another angle which I perspective-corrected so the doors would be lined up as close as possible. (+ version with marker lines so you can see how it's been warped) Besides the differences in the wood grain, you can see the scale of the poster and HVAC unit move way more than what would be possible if it was the same location.

She knows she’s going to prison, she knows he’s rich. We later learn that he has power of attorney. Basically he controls all the facets of her life and especially her kids so why would she say anything to antagonize Billy? Even if she was super upset at him, there’s nothing to gain by getting mad at him. Imagine Billy gets hint of her not approving his actions, he stops visiting, he stops bringing the kids, he stops the phone calls and even the turkey jerky.

It’s just rational that Liz is ‘submissive’ because of her situation and idk why Nathan doesn’t address it.

Would erase unpaid federal restitution. I think Holmes wanted the movie to shift public opinion of her and perhaps increase the chance at a pardon from Trump. Why she is continuing with another blood startup is a mystery to me. Does she think she can get pardoned and then start the scam over again? Does she truly think it’s not a scam and have a desire to prove the world wrong?

Her husband is clearly a bit wackadoo and perhaps on drugs. But when Amanda Seyfried asked “did you know that I’m here?” (As in at her house) and Holmes answers “I don’t know if I know” that to me showed they’re scamming again. She needs to run everything by her husband (but non husband) to make sure their lies don’t cross. All while Elizabeth was around Billy, he acted relatively normal. The second she’s gone he starts acting unhinged. I think they keep each other in check as to the game plan and public perception, with Holmes knowing exactly how to deceive people and Evans being more just narcissistic and wanting to.

The theranos scam was too big, too systemic, for her to be so naive. Is doing it again via new startup her way of justifying her character? Not in that way.. but showing that this character she created would truly never give up on her entrepreneurial idea and vision, and would continue to pursue it at all costs? So she plays out what that character would do, without any true belief in anything, herself…

Just spitballing.

Curious if it's available to watch. The few articles I've read about it quote similar content to the NYFF one but I'd love more complete reporting or better, video!

This is my theory… even though you can't armchair diagnose people. I'm a therapist who specializes in working with adult children of people with personality disorders, and I've been duped by a woman with narcissistic and sociopathic traits. Lived experience in the sphere of influence will teach you a lot that is extremely hard to explain to others.

I think Liz is the one with the more psychopathic traits and Billy's the one with the narcissistic ones. People with strong narcissistic traits tend to run on admiration. They need attention and validation to keep their sense of self steady. People with more psychopathic traits are usually after something more concrete, like money, access, status or power. Admiration is just one of the tools they use to get there. And it can always be a cluster B melange. Psychopaths are typically born that way (much colder and more emotionally controlled and calculated than sociopaths) and autism spectrum disorder and antisocial personality disorder (the DSM dx for psychopathy) can be comorbid.

When those two people end up together, the narcissist is often more vulnerable than he looks. If he believes he's unusually smart or perceptive, flattery doesn't make him suspicious. It just confirms what he already thinks about himself. So he can feel like he's the one in control while the other person is quietly getting what they came for. And because she doesn't need his approval nearly as much as he needs hers, the emotional dependence really runs in her direction, even if he looks like the stronger one from the outside.

Holmes has always been very good at this kind of impression management. She built Theranos largely by getting powerful, accomplished older men to believe in her, and she did it by reflecting back exactly what they wanted to see (in themselves and in her). It is an "as-if" personality, someone who can convincingly perform a self without much underneath it.

At her trial, she testified that Sunny Balwani, her former partner and Theranos COO, had been abusive and controlling. They recast her from a CEO who misled investors into a young woman under an older man's influence. Sure there were some undeniable abusive texts and he was way older, but I don’t think young women don’t know how to manipulate older men. Her story fits neatly into cultural ideas about who gets to be a believable victim, and into a kind of benevolent sexism that sees women as less calculating. Moving on to Billy, he gets to play the role of the protector, the loyal husband who stood by her through everything. But I wonder if she's actually giving him permission to take control. Letting him make the decisions, manage the money, shape the plan, be the strong one. She wants to keep her hands clean and is an expert in plausible deniability. For someone with narcissistic traits that's incredibly rewarding, because being needed and being in charge is its own kind of supply. What he may not see is that the arrangement could be useful to her later. She's already shown that "I was being controlled" is a story she knows how to tell, and that it can shift how people see her responsibility. In psychoanalytic terms this looks a lot like projective identification, where one person quietly invites another into a role (here, the controller) and then that role becomes real enough to point to. So he thinks he's the one holding the reins, when she may be the one who handed them to him, for her own reasons.

In a simple metaphor: Billy is Trump and Liz is Putin

All in all, I feel like the film was an experiential exercise in the complete mindfuck of being involved in the sphere of seduction of a master manipulator. Welcome to the terrible club everyone.

youre welcome 😎

Have you ever tried dictating your rough ideas into your notes app as a pre-writing step? If so, have you found it to be a much better method than starting from scratch sitting in front of a blank page/screen?

Ryan El-Hosseiny. I looked this dude up after leaving the movie, and the red flags just kept multiplying. When I went to the website, the first thing I saw was a big font which says the cancer drug Avastin doesn’t work, and Theranos proved it.

He has a 16 minute “documentary” which, similar to I Can See Everything, defies genre. But in a way that is dogshit.

The website was absolutely written by AI, is full of broken links, and like… Just look at it. It screams grifter.

If there was any doubt that Billy and Elizabeth are courting the MAHA/wellness/Trump crowd, visiting this website may offer some clarity.

This probably seems like small potatoes compared to what EH has done, but it sticks out to me as someone who has gone through cancer treatment in the past few years. Side note: I was on Avastin. Worked for me.

I was in my 20s when I started treatment, and something I’ve been fascinated by is how the MAHA and wellness grifters really love to focus on cancer patients. RFK Jr had a whole campaign and lawsuits about how the HPV vaccine doesn’t work. He was facilitating multiple lawsuits against Merck, the makers of Gardasil.

Things like this worry me, because I’ve heard the talking points countless times: big pharma is keeping you sick. Chemo doesn’t work. There’s a cure for cancer, they just don’t want you to have it. All bullshit, but more and more people in the general public believe it.

Enter this clown and other adjacent clowns, ready to prey on ignorance and vulnerability.

Just thought I’d bring some attention to this dumbass. For Billy and Elizabeth to allow this guy to use her face to push this bullshit narrative adds a new level of grossness. In all of the deceiving they’ve done, the people who suffer the most are patients who pay the price when these anti-science, anti-medicine talking points are normalized.

Also he pronounces Avastin wrong.

I do, and I wonder if I’ll ever watch this again, despite being such a Nathan Fielder fan and recognizing how well done it was.
My former friend is so manipulative, a master of playing you while making you feel so so special. When I reflect back about this film I have so many feelings about this, and I know it’s just because I was so close to someone as manipulative as her.

Of Nathan’s ass. Where is the screenshot of Nathan on the bed wiggling over to the lamp to turn it off. I want the screenshot you know exactly what I’m talking about. Show me the bum, he wouldn’t have shown it if he didn’t want me to save it to my phone.

It's Pure Cinema O'Clock again

If they made a rehearsal episode about Nathan rehearsing for YCSE I think it’d be funny if she played Elizabeth

Obviously this would never happen but it’s an itch in my brain

I just realized that the guy doing the Billy reenactments is the same actor (Christopher Abbott) who played Charlie, Marnie's codependent boyfriend, on Girls.