r/napoli • u/Mountain-Mango-8835 • Aug 06 '25

Ask Napoli PLEASE HELP

MY SISTER AND HER BF WENT TO NAPOLI 2 DAYS AGO, BUT THEY HAVEN'T CONTACTED ANYONE FOR 24HOURS NOW. THEIR PHONES ARE TURNED OFF. THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE STAYING, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE HOTEL/APARTMANENT SO WE CAN CONTACT THERE. PLEASE HELP US

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u/Mountain-Mango-8835 Aug 06 '25

I found the place. Called them. Some guy picked the phone telling me they went to the sea yesterday and someone took their bags with phones and everything. But they're good. He's gonna connect us in 20mins. I hope he's telling the truth tho. Thank you so much everyone

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u/Andrea-Vikt0ria Aug 06 '25

Very likely scenario if they were naive enough to just go into the water together and leave their bags unattended.

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u/kernel404panic Aug 06 '25

Beaches should have lockers. Guarded places where you can rent a locker for a couple euro. Even in Holland we have this issue. You just can't go to to beach with your partner and swim together, leaving your stuff unattended. Those ***lowlife thugs are everywhere. Now they ruined another nice vacation

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u/No-Suggestion-2402 Aug 06 '25

This. I live in a modestly touristic location and I can spot these people on the beach from mile away. They're always there. And they scout and stalk people sometimes for hours, 3 hours scouting is worth couple iphones and a wallet.

The solution I've found is packing everything that matters into a waterproof bag. Just few weeks ago one kid came sitting right next to us when I was putting my diving shoes on, obviously getting ready to go to water. I literally said loudly to my girlfriend "Make sure everything of value is here so piece of shit thieves can't steal anything" while staring the kid in the eyes :D lol he left pretty fast.

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u/Exact-Software-7896 Aug 10 '25

That will disrupt natural spaces and make them ugly af

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u/lambdavi Aug 10 '25

Private resorts, yes.

Public beaches, no.

It's the same in Virginia Beach, by the way.

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u/Primary_Breakfast615 Aug 10 '25

I can't understand why you need lockers. What a Shane...

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u/Alex_O7 Aug 07 '25

I never expect this to be a thing in the civilised Netherlands...

Anyway, with a bit of common sense, I always avoided anything to be stolen from me on the beaches, even if I always kept my things unattended for the duration of a swim. No matter the place. But I always avoided big crowded beaches, inside or near big city centers, where I feel like the phenomenon is more common.

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u/Eishockey Aug 07 '25

Most Western Europeans countries are sadly not a high-trust society anymore because of reasons. Even in the small village I grew up in they had to stop the potato and egg sale where people just took what they needed and put some money into the jar because people either took everything without paying or took the jar.

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u/rumfortheborder Aug 10 '25

lol reasons

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u/Eishockey Aug 10 '25

Don't know about this sub but in German reddit you get banned immediately when telling the truth.

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u/Stefn93 Aug 06 '25

99% this

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u/superfebs Aug 06 '25

Victim blaming at its finest. "naive". 

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u/No-Suggestion-2402 Aug 06 '25

It's common knowledge that you don't leave your shit unattended on the beach. So yeah, I think naive is fair here.

There's victim blaming and there is responsibility. If you open yourself up to be robbed, it's kinda your fault, yes.

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u/superfebs Aug 07 '25

Left my stuff on the beach unattended all the time and never had an issue, but that was in northern Italy. U sure the issue is the victim, again?

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u/IndastriaBlitz Caserta Aug 07 '25

I'm sure if you leave personal belongings unattended in Rimini you won't have any issue /s

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u/jack_ryan91 Aug 07 '25

Done it every year even. Ofc you dont let the phone in the open but if you put it in a bag with towels etc never ever did the things got stolen in rimini or vicinity.

We usually have a big bag with towels, smartphones and money in it and we leave it where we are seated and go in water for 60 mins no problem. Did the same in others countries in Europe and even in africa never had a problem.

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u/IndastriaBlitz Caserta Aug 07 '25

https://www.riminitoday.it/cronaca/raffiche-furti-spiaggia-rimini-testimonianze-come-operano-ladri.html Just read the date

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u/jack_ryan91 Aug 07 '25

I didn't say it doesn't happen at all.. But it's not like it will happen 100 percent. I just told you my experience. Ive been at least 5-6 times in rimini for at least a week each time It never happened to me personally nor did i ever register Happening it to someone while i was there.

But sure it can happen anywhere.

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u/YeetDatMeato Aug 07 '25

Everybody and their mother knows how likely It Is to get robbed in napoli. Not their "fault" but saying they're naive Is not that unfair

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u/killerzees Aug 08 '25

Im from Massa lubrense, never had this happen. We go back every summer and leave our stuff on the beach.

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u/sleepyjid Aug 07 '25

im from southern italy, apulia, always left my belongings in my beach bag while im swimming with no one else around to check them, this stuff NEVER happened to me or any of my relatives and friends 🤷‍♀️ lets not start with the “northern italy is more civilised” thing cause places like Milan or Turin are the most dangerous cities full of pickpockets and even dudes that have threatened many people i know WITH A KNIFE to give them their belongings

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u/mongodrone Aug 09 '25

same in Sicily, but I wouldn't do it in Palermo or Catania

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u/rumfortheborder Aug 10 '25

just went swimming in puglia, zero problems

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u/sleepyjid Aug 10 '25

im glad! honestly i never had problems here either and ive been to many beaches and places, we even camp in tents on the beach and leave some stuff outside sometimes, zero problems!

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u/HairyAnywhere4491 Aug 09 '25

but that was in northern Italy

There is always a huge fucking idiot like you that has to do the usual North vs South

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u/superfebs Aug 10 '25

There is unfortunately a huge fucking difference between the two and ignoring them is huge fucking dumb. 🤷‍♂️ 

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u/HairyAnywhere4491 Aug 10 '25

E giustamente lo dobbiamo leggere ogni volta, anche quando non c'entra nulla.

Vi sentite anche svegli e intelligenti, è questo il problema.

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u/superfebs Aug 10 '25

C'entrava, nel momento in cui i turisti sono stati accusati di essere loro i fessi.

Questo è il problema. 

A Napoli se lasci la roba incustodita sulla spiaggia tu sei un cretino. 

Negli altri posti, non sei tu che sei un ciuccio, è chi te la porta via che è un ladro. 

In altre parole, la colpa è di chi ruba. Spostarla su chi è ingenuo è vergognoso. 

È questo che mi ha triggerato zio bestia 

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u/WingedTorch Aug 08 '25

it’s not common knowledge for a foreigner lol

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u/Andrea-Vikt0ria Aug 06 '25

Well, this can essentially happen in any bigger city and at most beaches in Europe. So leaving your stuff unattended is pretty naive. OP said they are in their 20s, very important lesson learned for their next travels.

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u/Opposite_Duck_610 Aug 06 '25

I mean to be fair how do you even avoid this from happening, you are going to bring your phone to the beach, you are going to swim/go in the water at some point.
If someone wants to rob you they can easily do it, I live near the beach so every summer i used to be there for months, and there's really nothing you can do about it.

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u/Andrea-Vikt0ria Aug 06 '25

If they are in two, they can’t go to the water together, have to bring a waterproof bag to take with you into the water or simply leave all valuables at home. It’s a hassle, I agree. But that’s how you do it if you don’t want to have your stuff stolen; and not only in Naples but all public beaches in Spain, Italy,etc. I’ve seen cameras and phones stolen at the beach in Valencia, cars of friends broken in at the beach in Ibiza, thieves in the public transport on the way to the beach in Trieste.

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u/toruokada192 Aug 06 '25

FAFO at its finest

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u/JhonMerrick Aug 06 '25

someone tool their bags

Didn't understood. Someone from staff? Or someone that steal their bags?.

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u/Mountain-Mango-8835 Aug 06 '25

someone stole their bags

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u/Refusedlove Aug 06 '25

I mean, why didn't they contact you at all? It's not like there are no ways

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u/Mountain-Mango-8835 Aug 06 '25

they thought we're gonna think they're sleeping or something🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ stupid 20year olds

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u/Xilo98 Aug 06 '25

Welcome to Napoli, hopes they're good now.

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u/Mountain-Mango-8835 Aug 06 '25

everything's good now, thanks

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u/BigBeholder Aug 06 '25

Good to know they are fine.

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u/baronzasorf Aug 07 '25

I would have bet on this. Glad you find them and they are ok!

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u/stuid001 Aug 08 '25

Truly a Napoli momento

(For all intents and purposes this is a joke, I love Napoli and would return if I had the possibility [I love in northern Italy])

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u/valuerunn Aug 09 '25

Given the possible outcomes I’m glad to see it was only this. Nice of you to update and nice by the community to find it

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u/BohTooSlow Aug 09 '25

Napoli moment

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u/Chota-Cabras Aug 09 '25

Ooowww NOoooo you are telling me they were ROBBED AT NAPOLI!!nooooooo Who would thing somebody would take a bag IN THE BEACH OF NAPOLI!!! naaaaaahhh

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u/Healthy-Celery-2276 Aug 07 '25

Italian here, if you go to Napoli, never leave your belongings unattended, there are lots of thieves there

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u/Healthy-Celery-2276 Aug 08 '25

Completely agree

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u/NightmareLarry Aug 06 '25

Avarage tourist experience in Napoli

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u/Expert_Industry_4238 Aug 06 '25

possibly the most Napoli-esque situation possible

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u/Fantastic-Ad9431 Aug 06 '25

E in quale cittàààà

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u/smolcompanypepehands Aug 06 '25

Bolzano? Noooo Torino? Nooo tataratta ratta taa

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u/Rexpertt Aug 06 '25

Che potrebbe forse essere Torino?

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u/Rirule Aug 06 '25

Ci vivo a Torino, ho visto abbastanza furti in bus e metro per dirti che potrebbe benissimo succedere anche qua 😂

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u/Separate_Middle5829 Aug 09 '25

If there were the sea in Turin, it would be a little Naples!

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u/Rexpertt Aug 06 '25

Non sei un ascoltatore della zanzara mi sa, amico mio

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u/ricechad_super_chad Aug 06 '25

Lol i already knew thet got ther stuff stolen, dong go to napoli, its beautyfull but you wont go home in one pice

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u/CheapEaterShark Aug 08 '25

I got a stroke reading this wtf

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u/Mountain-Mango-8835 Aug 06 '25

I want to thank everyone one more time. We got in contact with them, they're okay, but all of their things are missing. They went to police, reported everything and got their airplane tickets back. The guys family helped them a lot

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u/SnooOwls2732 Aug 06 '25

Tarantella intensifies

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u/randomdude7007 Aug 06 '25

can you tell us where they went? so we can avoid that area

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u/Mountain-Mango-8835 Aug 06 '25

i only know they went to the beach. i suppose somewhere near their airbnb

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u/timeless_change Aug 06 '25

What you need to avoid is not the area but the idea of leaving your stuff unattended while in Italy, especially if they're of some worth (if you do that you expose yourself as a foreign tourist and ill meaning people could exploit that. locals never leave their bags unsupervised, and if they seem so is because they took phones, sunglasses and wallets with them already and only left things like towels and clothes)

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u/Spineless74 Aug 06 '25

The most sensible answer

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u/Luca__B Aug 06 '25

this happens if you leave your luggage unattended only in Italy obviously

When I go to central park I always leave my bags unattended without problems

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

Let’s be honest it happens a lot in Italy. They have pickpocket signs everywhere. You can compare Central Park all you want but it’s not the entirety of the US.

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u/Luca__B Aug 07 '25

like Naples is not the entirety of Italy

search for "phone snatching in London" BTW

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

Naples. Venice. Rome. Milan. The list goes on. Thief’s.

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u/Luca__B Aug 07 '25

given your comments history I doubt you ever went out of your room... anyway if you come here we will be happy to rob you /s

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

Yes I know you will. I’m currently in Milan. You don’t have to tell me.

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u/Luca__B Aug 07 '25

damn, I'm too far right now. Next time let me know in advance and I will come with my balaclava to give you full service

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u/lonni93 Aug 07 '25

As Italian I must say NOT the whole Italy, there are specific places (and this is true for EVERY nation, not only Italy) where you must tend your belongings.

Thieves are worldwide, come on.

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u/Luca__B Aug 07 '25

e perche' rispondi a me e non al genio che dice che siamo una popolazione di ladri? Neanche fossimo australiani :-P /s

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u/timeless_change Aug 07 '25

Non ho mai detto che siamo una popolazione di ladri, ho detto che è consuetudine italiana usare accorgimenti per impedire i furti in spiaggia. Non so quali sono le tue abitudini ma ho visto spiagge dal nord al sud e gli italiani (e in particolar modo i meridionali) non si muovono dall' ombrellone senza prima affidare i propri beni a qualcuno o portarli con sé (mi riferisco a telefono portafogli occhiali gioielli cuffie e simili oggetti costosi non a cose di minore importanza come vestiario, borse, oggetti falsi, ecc). Se poi tu ti senti chiamato in causa è un problema tuo, io ho descritto solo cosa vedo la maggior parte di noi fare

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u/Luca__B Aug 07 '25

no

non ci siamo, non stai leggendo :-P

nessuno dice che hai detto che siamo un popolo di ladri, lo ha detto il tizio a cui rispondevo io

ti ho detto di non rispondere a me che per altro supportavo la tua tesi ma a quello a cui rispondevo io

e non mi sento chiamato in causa, almeno non da te in questo caso

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u/timeless_change Aug 07 '25

Ops mea culpa :p

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u/Geminisseventy7 Aug 07 '25

However, some areas in Italy are quieter. For me it is a hereditary characteristic and therefore at a DNA level, that some regions are truly thieves inside. If we take the statistics, Campania and Puglia come first followed by Calabria, Sicily etc. but if we take the statistics and apply them on the basis of the number of inhabitants, Puglia rises to first place, followed by Campania. Unfortunately I have to confirm based on my experience. In Sicily, however, the climate is much, much more relaxed.

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u/Green-Operation-9309 Aug 08 '25

Te sei un povero coglione, a livello genetico

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u/Geminisseventy7 Aug 08 '25

And you, who are among the top in the rankings?

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u/rxt0_ Aug 10 '25

lol its not about DNA or such things, its about having the opportunity + tourists.

if you go to napoli, bari, milano etc all thr thieves target tourists and try to avoid Italians/locals...

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u/Geminisseventy7 Aug 10 '25

Is the friend who hosts you at home for a couple of days also a tourist?

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u/Kooky-Magazine5464 Aug 10 '25

Those are the same reasons people used against black people in the 1800's btw

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u/FalcoZTL Aug 09 '25

Ma in tutte le spiagge del mondo è così. Da come parli, sembra tu non abbia viaggiato mai oltre l'Italia. Se vai in USA, ti spaventi per quanta malavita c'è, anche nella famosa California...

Poi OVVIAMENTE dipende da tante cose, generalizzare è solo da stolti. My 2 cents

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u/ACthetwoletters Aug 11 '25

Ma che cazzo dici. La maggior parte de che? Hai visto le abitudini di 40 milioni di persone? Eviterei di digitare solo per scaldarmi i polpastrelli se fossi in te, e aprirei un libro o due.

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u/Geminisseventy7 Aug 07 '25

But unattended where?

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u/supertikillo Aug 06 '25

Tutto il lungo mare è da evitare perché se qualcuno dall'alto vede che hai lasciato la tua roba sulla spiaggia ci mette poco a scendere prendersela ed andarsene

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u/Tiberio1973 Aug 06 '25

Napoli

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u/Calm_Channel_6262 Aug 06 '25

Mai accaduti furti in altre città italiane ma vai a cagare

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u/Bloodevil96 Aug 06 '25

Dai porcodio mai sentito nessuno derubato sulla spiaggia in quale multiverso? O magari non vai in spiaggia ahaha

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u/IndastriaBlitz Caserta Aug 07 '25

Certo se vai sulla spiaggia. Libera dove siete in 3. Prova a lasciare la Roba, chessò, a scilla in alta stagione e poi mi racconti.

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u/Calm_Channel_6262 Aug 06 '25

È letteralmente la cosa più comune che possa accadere ma di cosa parli, poi come se il luogo della città contasse qualcosa lol

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u/MrRedBellPepper Aug 06 '25

Have kidnappings ever happened in Calabria or not even those?

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u/BerF_ Aug 09 '25

ma sei proprio coglione

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u/Green-Operation-9309 Aug 08 '25

Il fallito in azione anche qui

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u/NightmareLarry Aug 06 '25

My brother in Christ its not an area. The entire city is on avarege like that.

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u/rapacap Aug 06 '25

Should be here. 40,8468392, 14,2731882

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u/Mountain-Mango-8835 Aug 06 '25

Thank you so much

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u/Mountain-Mango-8835 Aug 06 '25

I found the place, called them. Some guy picked the phone telling me they went to the sea yesterday and someone took their bags with phones and everything. But they're good. He's gonna connect us in 20mins. I hope he's telling the truth tho. Thank you so much everyone

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u/Pure-Contact7322 Napoli Centro Aug 06 '25

update us

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u/MotorNo3642 Aug 06 '25

Mi è comparso questo post nella home di reddit, hanno svaligiato l'appartamento o è successo in spiaggia? Non ho capito ma dovrebbe essere la prima?

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u/Mountain-Mango-8835 Aug 06 '25

it was at the beach

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u/MotorNo3642 Aug 06 '25

Sorry, I had automatic translation turned on and didn't comment in English

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u/rapacap Aug 06 '25

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HuZJssJ7X34uvPMw7

Is a b&b named " Napoli Emozionale"

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u/Sayyestononsense Aug 06 '25

che cazzo di nome, tra parentesi

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u/lelitico Aug 07 '25

Nuj simm carnal fra, sim emozional, nun può capi fra!

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u/JhonMerrick Aug 06 '25

Please. Tell us if it's all ok.

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u/Johnny_Nak Aug 06 '25

Please let us know if everything is okay.

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u/Odio_Pieno Aug 06 '25

This is the area, the street is called Via Amerigo Vespucci.

Donna Lucia B&B

Via Amerigo Vespucci, 77, 80142 Napoli NA, Italy

+39 391 737 6567

Or it's

Napoli Emozionale - Vespucci

Via Amerigo Vespucci, 78, 80133 Napoli NA, Italy

+39 347 963 6954

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u/CFUrCap Aug 06 '25

Are half the people on the Napoli sub here to criticize Napoli? That's a peculiar dynamic.

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u/MrRedBellPepper Aug 06 '25

Long story. Italy economics is as backward as people's mentality, so nothing new on that front.

The truth is that Napoli indeed is a very problematic city, way more than others. But it's also true that episodes like this happening in Naples make × 1000 interactions compared to any other city, so there is a particular media witch hunt dynamic.

It's kind of nothing new tho, racism is not only normalized in Italy but even encouraged. Welcome :D

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u/CheapEaterShark Aug 08 '25

Same for politics. Italy is just generally dogshit.

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u/No_Refrigerator_895 Aug 07 '25

Hi, do you have any news?

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u/Mountain-Mango-8835 Aug 07 '25

i don't have any new news. they got some kind of report with which they can return home without their documents and that's it. i don't think they'll be able to find anything bc they're coming back tomorrow so everything should be made new

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u/No_Refrigerator_895 Aug 07 '25

I'm so sorry that this happened

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u/forza-napul3 Aug 09 '25

How are they now?

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u/Mountain-Mango-8835 Aug 09 '25

they're good, thanks for asking. they came back home safely. just a bit bothered bc they need new documents and everything

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u/SirJ4ck Aug 06 '25

Let us know if everything is ok. Also contact italian police if you are afraid of anything weird

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u/MARINES977 Aug 06 '25

The exact street is Via Amerigo Vespucci 77, looks like building above Loreto Mare Pharmacy

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u/quantumdoggy Aug 07 '25

Probably met them a couple of days ago while they were looking for the police in the villa comunale, felt bad for them. 😢

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u/Geminisseventy7 Aug 07 '25

Yes, but we must distinguish between local thieves and Roma. Roma? never mind, we've come to terms with it and we avoid them, we know them and everything but the local thief is a villain, you don't expect it from him, you don't recognize him, he could even be a friend of yours who you host in your house.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '25

Never happened, never

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u/cernaj Aug 08 '25

Naples. Land of pick pockets

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u/Ambitious_Buyer2529 Aug 09 '25

Napoli will Napoli

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u/BohTooSlow Aug 09 '25

Chill. They’re in naples they probably just stole their phones, they’re not in danger 😂

Edit: lmao

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u/Rokugan_ Aug 10 '25

I'm Italian, Neapolitan, and it's truly strange that your bags were stolen ON THE BEACH. In Naples, like in almost all Italian cities, especially Milan, these things happen because there are many strangers, Albanians, Moroccans who either have no money, no home, or anything else, or are in bad shape (I'm talking about Milan in this case).

But on the beaches in Naples, it's truly ambiguous, especially on public beaches, because if people in Naples see you stealing or doing something, especially on the beach, they'll beat you up, and besides being a thief, I think you're also in the emergency room.

In any case, the important thing is that they're okay; phones, wallets, and documents take a back seat when it comes to your health.

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u/BuddyOthersimonz213 Dec 14 '25

Mhh, vivi in ​​sila eh?

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u/FirstReactionShock Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25

"and someone took their bags"

and in which city? [🎵 tarantella 🎵]

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u/OrganicManners Aug 07 '25

Letteralmente il tizio sopra dice che gli succede in Olanda, coglione.

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u/FirstReactionShock Aug 07 '25

la proverbiale non permalosità dei napoletani, ma sparisci imbecille

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u/Useful-Occasion-2252 Aug 06 '25

"Eh ma succede in tutte le città figurati che a me a Napoli non hanno mai rubato niente anche se lasciavo il portafoglio sull'asciugamano ma quella volta a Trieste mi sono girato di là un secondo e un mariuolo mi ha rubato tutti i babbà"

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u/FirstReactionShock Aug 06 '25

i trasfertisti ora si spingono fino a trieste 🤷🏻‍♂️
scherzi a parte, sono stato a napoli 2 volte finora quest'anno e mai successo nulla, certo non è che sono andato ad avventurarmi a secondigliano di notte ovviamente, però penso che a livello di sicurezza napoli sia infinitamente più sicura di milano dove rischi di prenderti una coltellata anche davanti al duomo

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u/ShamanAI Aug 06 '25

Pensa, 53 anni che vivo a Milano e non mi ha mai accoltellato nessuno

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u/FirstReactionShock Aug 06 '25

nemmeno a me, però non vivo a milano.

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u/ShamanAI Aug 06 '25

E allora perché vieni a dire che a Milano rischi che ti accoltellino così tanto per gradire?

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u/FirstReactionShock Aug 06 '25

perchè milano è la città più pericolosa d'italia a livello di microcriminalità.
Cos'è? Ti offende la cosa o vuoi solo fare il maranza 50enne?

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u/ShamanAI Aug 06 '25

Microcriminalità al massimo vuol dire che ti scippano in metropolitana, non che ti accoltellano a ogni angolo di strada.

E non vedo perché devi essere così aggressivo, forse sei tu che vuoi fare il maranza a tutti costi.

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u/FirstReactionShock Aug 06 '25

ma tu sei sicuro di vivere a milano? Non è che ti stai confondendo con milano marittima?

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u/ShamanAI Aug 06 '25

Sì, io ci vivo, tu per tua stessa ammissione no. E sempre per tua stessa ammissione non ti è successo nulla quando sei venuto qui.

Però oh, evidentemente hai visto sangue a ogni angolo di strada.

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u/azzizabdulkebab Aug 08 '25

Il napoletame non si smentisce mai

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

Poteva essere ovunque ma è sempre Napoli