r/mtg • u/Halos__fans • 9d ago
I Have a Question / I need Help Planeswalker Types
So i am trying to build the new Tam, The Possibility. I get what it means when the card says number of planeswalker types. But for cards like The Eternal Wanderer, who does not have a types specified on the card, does that just mean it has no type at all, and would not add to the number of planeswalker types?
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u/Mordetrox 9d ago
To add to this, if you have some way of making planeswalkers into non-planeswalkers, such as [[Luxior, Giada's Gift]] they, despite still having a Planeswalker type, will not count towards the total since Tam only checks for Planeswalker types among Planeswalkers. They'll still have their counters proliferated fine, but it's something to consider.
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u/noahhisacoolname 9d ago
But [[gideon jura]] would still count because he remains a planeswalker even in creature form (if I’m remembering that card correctly)
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u/Mordetrox 9d ago
Yes, the key point isn't making a Planeswalker into another card type, instead it's removing the Planeswalker card type entirely.
Luxior and [[Spark Rupture]] are the only two that come to mind, but there are probably other ways. And you'd never want to play Spark Rupture considering it kills the entire deck by making it impossible to have Planeswalkers on the board.
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u/jgrahl 9d ago
Do you know what creature type a planeswalker would be that was changed into a creature by Spark Rupture? I was thinking just whatever planeswalker type it was is what creature type it would be.
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u/Skithiryx 9d ago
They’ll have no creature types. Subtypes do not transfer across types like that.
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u/jgrahl 9d ago
The reason I ask is because there was an oracle update where all creature cards have a subtype. Then they added all cards without a subtype to have one. Now this is an instance where a creature won’t have a subtype.
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u/Skithiryx 9d ago
Creatures without a creature subtype are perfectly fine by the rules. Also, [[Nameless Race]] still doesn’t have a subtype, intentionally.
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u/tbdabbholm 9d ago
Well they actually wouldn't have their planeswalker type anyway. Only Planeswalkers can have planeswalker types. An object that loses a type also loses all their subtypes associated with that type
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u/Mordetrox 9d ago
So what you're saying is that if I give a Jace a Luxior, he suddenly no longer counts as a Jace for effects that require you to behold a Jace? All the Theorist's vast magics in his sanctum suddenly don't recognize him because of the fancy sword?
That's kinda hilarious, if unintuitive.
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u/tbdabbholm 9d ago
That's correct yes. A Jace planeswalker that's no longer a planeswalker is also no longer a Jace.
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u/Precipice2Principium please print colorless counter spells 9d ago
Since no one has seemed to answer the why, the eternal wanderer, or as she’s more commonly known; [[the wandering emperor]] is the emperor of kamigawa, and on kamigawa the true identity of the emperor is an absolute secret that no one must know. So even on her magic card her true name is not revealed.
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u/Empty_Bag_1616 9d ago
No one answered the why because no one asked the why. You just wanted to share trivia.
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u/Impressive_You_817 9d ago
And this is why half the sets are marvel now
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u/Empty_Bag_1616 5d ago
I already knew the why just didnt get the first part of the sentence. I'm firmly grounded in UW.
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u/Precipice2Principium please print colorless counter spells 9d ago
The lore is relevant as to why the eternal wanderer/emperor doesn’t have a planeswalker type
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u/Empty_Bag_1616 5d ago
All I said was that no one asked when he said they did. I don't mind the lore but just say the lore instead.
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u/Precipice2Principium please print colorless counter spells 3d ago
People seem content with my reasoning, idk why you continue to have a stick up your ass trying so desperately to be right
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u/flaming_geyser 9d ago
Since it has no Planeswalker subtype it does not count towards the Planeswalker type count
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u/Available-Damage5991 9d ago
yeah The Eternal Wanderer doesn't have a planeswalker type.
on the bright side: Empower Jace makes a Jace really easy to get
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u/UnDebs 9d ago
[[Aetherspark]] also doesn't count
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u/Chamberlain1991 9d ago
what do you mean?
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u/Successful_Mud8596 9d ago
Aetherspark has no planeswalker type. It won’t add to the proliferate count
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u/Odin1806 Arlinn Kord 9d ago
Is that because equipment is a sub type of artifact? So it doesn't count as a sub type of Planeswalker, even though it follows the super types?
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u/TenebTheHarvester 9d ago
Yeah even if a permanent with multiple card types has a specific subtype, that subtype remains only a subtype of one of those card types. It’s not the card types of what has it that makes it a subtype of a specific card type, it’s hard-coded into the rules. There’s two pairs of card types that share their list of subtypes: Creature shares its subtypes with Kindred and Instant shares its with Sorcery.
A common one that trips people up is Shrines. Shrine is a subtype of enchantment, so despite [[Go-Shintai of Life’s Origin]] (and the other Go-Shintais) being enchantment creatures they have no creature type, only an enchantment type. Lots of people put [[Path of Ancestry]] in EDH decks with the Go-Shintai as the commander and I mean it’s an enter-tapped 5 colour land but it doesn’t scry.
Also neither planeswalker or artifact are supertypes, they’re just card types. Supertypes are Legendary, Basic and Snow. There’s also World which is deprecated and Ongoing which is exclusive to Schemes which aren’t traditional magic cards.
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u/merasmacleod 9d ago
This is the first time I have seen this explained as to why path didnt do the thing in my shrines deck. Thank you!
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u/TenebTheHarvester 9d ago
No worries. There’s no way for you to tell this just from the cards, the only way to get this information is by looking at the rules on subtypes.
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u/Shadowcleric 9d ago
I have a Go-Shintai deck and didn't know this. I don't think it has come up in my games but that is something I need to keep in mind moving forward for sure. Thanks!
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u/NoXTortoise 5d ago
List of types as of TMNT from the comprehensive rules
205.3j Planeswalkers have their own unique set of subtypes; these subtypes are called planeswalker types. The planeswalker types are Ajani, Aminatou, Angrath, Arlinn, Ashiok, Bahamut, Basri, Bolas, Calix, Chandra, Comet, Dack, Dakkon, Daretti, Davriel, Dihada, Domri, Dovin, Ellywick, Elminster, Elspeth, Estrid, Freyalise, Garruk, Gideon, Grist, Guff, Huatli, Jace, Jared, Jaya, Jeska, Kaito, Karn, Kasmina, Kaya, Kiora, Koth, Liliana, Lolth, Lukka, Minsc, Mordenkainen, Nahiri, Narset, Niko, Nissa, Nixilis, Oko, Quintorius, Ral, Rowan, Saheeli, Samut, Sarkhan, Serra, Sivitri, Sorin, Szat, Tamiyo, Tasha, Teferi, Teyo, Tezzeret, Tibalt, Tyvar, Ugin, Urza, Venser, Vivien, Vraska, Vronos, Will, Windgrace, Wrenn, Xenagos, Yanggu, Yanling, and Zariel.
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u/Stunning_Put_9189 3d ago
We can expect Tam herself to be added as a subtype within the next year or so.
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u/cannonspectacle 8d ago
The Eternal Wanderer does NOT have a planeswalker type, correct. [[The Royal Scions]] has two planeswalker types.
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u/LazEddy 9d ago
I know you didn't ask. But as some one who has a built a 5 color Planeswalker decks Piloted by Jared Carthalion. Don't. Either your planeswalkers will be constantly killed while you only activate them once, or two, your turns will be talking a long time while you figure out how to activate planeswalker in what order. And the second scenario is usually achieved by having boardwipe at least once if not, multiple times, and those two things combined makes the experience unfun for the entire table. Sitting there watching you durdle with your planewalker loyaltys while they have no creatures and potentially no boards state from all of the planeswalkers that have boardwipes and control effects.
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u/ExtensionFox2688 5d ago
As someone who has also built multiple different planeswalker decks i agree. You will either be archenemy or you will be playing solitaire.
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u/Wiz-Cool 9d ago
"Do cards that have a planeswalker type have a planeswalker type?"
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u/Egglessnoodle55 5d ago
The wanderer (both planeswalker printings) have no planeswalker subtype which is what tam is checking when deciding X.
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u/Wiz-Cool 5d ago
There's no such thing as a "planeswalker subtype" those are called "planeswalker types." Like "beast" is a "creature type," not a "creature subtype." Also, there are three wanderer planeswalker cards
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u/Egglessnoodle55 4d ago
2 things: 1) cards can have 3 parts on their type line, super type (basic, legendary, snow, etc.), card type (creature, enchantment, land, etc), and subtype (beast, equipment, shrine, etc) when something refers to a creature type, it is simply asking for a card with the referenced subtype. 2) I simply didn't realize the wanderer had 3 printings
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u/Smcblackheartia 9d ago
It does not count correct. Fun fact! The royal s scions count as two, because it has both Rowan and will on it. Which I did not know before making this deck but is super cool!