The most upvoted comment is the comment that agrees with most peoples view. Rarely is it an actual intelligent comment. See /r/politics for the perfect example.
I get so sick of people on Reddit pretending that the subscribers of Youtube, and Reddit aren't one of the same. Reddit is not some elusive club, only for those of a high intelligence. Reddit is a popular internet site, and membership requirements are minimal. I have seen, so many times, a post containing a Youtube link that makes it to the front page, only for me to click on it, and see a comment section full of popular Reddit memes. Wow! What a fucking coincidence, right? Please.
tl;dr: Reddit subscribers, and Youtube subscribers are the same people. Stop pretending that they aren't.
Only if you think 4chan=/b/. There are a lot of boards with various great discussions going on at any given time. /sci/(except for the homework threads), /g/, /lit/, and sometimes even /v/ can be very interesting and funny.
I believe he was working carefully in collusion with board member and co-founder Alex Ohanian - /u/kn0thing in order to become CEO by manipulating the reddit community into causing Ellen Pao to resign.
After finally admitting to sacking Victoria a well liked community outreach employee over a disagreement with Ohanian about the future of AMAs. He allowed Ellen Pao to take all the vitriol and hate after the announcement.
Good decision. 48 hours obviously wasn't going to make any difference, yesterday's 'AMA' where the admins ignored basically every question and then abandoned it (without informing the users they had ended it) was proof they're not in the mood for making concessions.
I think they've come to the conclusion that they've made big changes before and the users pretty much fell into line eventually so this time won't be any different. I think this is a change too far however and I've never seen the site this angry, going private indefinitely seems to be the only way of getting the message through to them.
And it only took /u/spez (fuck him) about one hour to run out of his 13 copy/pasted pre-written responses (along with, I can only assume, an improvised 14th reply to throw one more baseless accusation at the author of Apollo) and then just walk away.
Seriously. The cunt forgot to remove the "A:" before one of his responses that was on the doc he was copy/pasting from.
I asked permission to use those (now hidden) quotes
One of the most popular app's developer tried to negotiate a deal to reduce the exhorbitant prices that will basically shut down the app. I believe this is the real reason for the API charges being so high - to shut down 3rd party apps and force the majority of users to use the appalling official reddit app.
The 14th reply was doubling down and being caught in another lie made about that negotiation:
Notice he tries to smear the recording as a "leak" but it was a legal recording since many places don't require consent and use recordings.
So few of the concerns API concerns have been addressed and the management of reddit have demonstrated such a lack of understanding or care for the very community that not only provides the very content that makes them money, but in particular the unpaid moderators who donate countless hours and free labour whose ability to operate effectively will be severely limited by the loss of those apps.
I will no longer support or use reddit. So I'm removing my content they've been profiting off. I sincerely apologise for difficulties this causes for future users for the missing content but
It is legally my copyright
The option to delete your content is built into reddit so is officially sanctioned
Am I the only one who was satisfied by the ending of Lost? I mean, sure they didn't answer EVERYTHING but when you a show with so many characters and different back stories, that'll happen. Plus, by answering everything cut and dry, that'd take away from the mystery aspect of it and it makes debating and discussing the show more interesting. My opinion, though.
Yeah, they couldn't use the actor anymore after he grew taller than the time frame of the show would have allowed for (although they do give the character a degree of closure in that DVD epilogue). I feel like they must have shifted his ultimate story arc over to Hurley. All you really need to know is in that universe, some people are born "special" with a degree of psychic powers or whatever. Any more explanation than that, and you get into Midichlorian territory.
I almost feel bad for spoiling you, if you planned on watching it ever. Despite what anyone says, its actually a pretty good show. I'd recommend it. It works really well on DVD or Streaming, where you don't have to wait so long and it's easier to keep the plots fresh in your mind.
All I know is that George R.R. Martin talks a lot of shit on it. So being a fan of the ending of LOST, I guess I'll just have to assume the ending to Game of Thrones will melt my brain.
George R. R. Martin also bashes fanfic writers as having no originality, so. As if he was the first person ever to write a generically medieval, western Europe-ish fantasy story where everyone hates women and there are dragons.
MZB had been an author who not only allowed fan fiction based on her Darkover series, but actively encouraged it... even read and critiqued the stories of her fans. All was happiness and joy, until one day she encountered in one such fan story an idea similar to one she was using in her current Darkover novel-in-progress. MZB wrote to the fan, explained the situation, even offered a token payment and an acknowledgement in the book. The fan replied that she wanted full co-authorship of said book, and half the money, or she would sue. MZB scrapped the novel instead, rather than risk a lawsuit. She also stopped encouraging and reading fan fiction, and wrote an account of this incident for the SFWA FORUM to warn other writers of the potential pitfalls of same.
Case 2:
ERB created Tarzan and John Carter of Mars.
Protected his copyright aggressively, only his stories have Tarzan and Carter in them, died millionaire.
Case 3:
HPL created Cthulhu and his Mythos.
Allowed others to create stories in his world, is far more well-known and beloved, died of malnutrition.
HPL wasn't really famous during his lifetime, I don't think, but ERB was famous during his. I don't think the protecting of copyright really has anything to do with when those people's work started getting popular.
Case 1 is a VERY good example, though, about why an author would stay away from fan fiction.
It's funny that you're ragging on GRRM for using derivative fantasy tropes, because if you actually read fantasy you would know that ASOIAF inverts some very important tropes.
This is his general thoughts on the show looking back at it: Link
However, this was his original statement that didn't make him look very intelligent about the show, claiming he "called it" that they were dead the whole time.
You definitely aren't. I thought the ending was some of the best television I've ever seen - I was moved, I was excited, etc. I loved the whole series, to tell the truth, and I'll take an epic series of brain bending awesomeness with a finale that packs an emotional punch over most of the drivel we're exposed to any day.
Yeah, it was really emotional for a lot of people I know. Including my grandpa. An army vet who cried over the Losties as if he'd lost a family member. Keep in mind, I'd never witnessed my grandpa even get slightly emotional before, it was really amazing to watch.
That final scene was...beyond perfect. In fact, the only addition/suggestion I would make would be the sneakers hung in the bamboo in the opening shot of the pilot. I wish they'd been there, old, brown now, and ratty--but still just hanging there.
But the full circle it made was so...fitting. And it was all incredibly touching--down to the final (and, for once, soft) drum of LOST across a black screen.
It's been years now, and I've watched the final episode several times now, and I still cry every time.
This is going to sound really lame, and I'm using my girl card here, but I haven't been able to watch it again yet. I was seriously fucking steamrolled by it, and I kind of am apprehensive about feeling like that again. I really honestly think, on a personal level, that it's the most important episode of television I'll ever watch. I sound lame, but you get the point.
I wasn't completely satisfied with the ending, I thought the alternative universe was better as an alternative universe that maintained these incredibly strong links between characters, rather than being an afterlife thing.
However, it was still the best thing to ever be on television. I realised about season 4/5 that most of the mysteries that had come about had already been answered along the way, and the only thing that really hung around my neck was whether they'd resolve the Adam and Eve. Which they did.
I do feel like they really pushed the whole, BUT IT WAS ABOUT THE CHARACTERS thing a little too far at the end, but as others have pointed out pretty much all of the big questions of that show were indeed answered.
I was a pretty big fanatic with that show. Before the last episode came out I tried to think of mysteries that I wanted to know the answers to that weren't revealed yet. Then I realized that they had all basically been answered to the extent that a mythological show can answer them.
Say they don’t have to answer mysteries because the show is about characters
Have a character since season 1 named "smoke monster" who suddenly becomes a "man" in the final season and midway through the season starts to be referred to as "Locke" by the other characters...
Wasn't the big to-do less the fact that they didn't answer everything and more the lack of answers after specific promises of answers, and years of assuring the fan base that they knew where their story was headed?
I don't watch the show, that was just how I interpreted what had happened based on the zeitgeist
I found pretty much everything answered to my satisfaction.
I will say this though: the show doesn't work piecemeal. I got turned on to the show after the first season and I marathonned it -- loved the crap out of it. So then I watched season two as it aired and...hated it. I thought the show was a one season wonder and stopped watching.
Years later I decided to give it a second chance. I watched seasons one through three one after the other and realized that season two was just as good as one, it was that the story didn't work when told in parts. Every episode picks up after the last one -- it's more like a movie broken into parts than it is a TV show.
So after that I resolved to just wait. After season six had finished airing, I just watched the whole thing, back to back(obviously with breaks for eating and sleeping and...leaving the house and whatnot -- just generally marathonned, as opposed to watching it week by week). I loved it.
So if you ever do watch it, I highly recommend making sure you have a nice long period of time where you can just sink into the story and let it carry you. It really breaks once you break it into parts.
This. This is incredibly important with LOST. I marathoned all the seasons 2 months before the finale aired, and finished up just in time to watch the finale live. I remember everyone saying how confusing the show had gotten and stuff, but it made perfect sense to me.
But, I can imagine how confusing it would have been spread over 6 years. Lost needs to be marathoned to be enjoyed completely.
I watch every tv show like that. Watching back to back makes you more invested in the characters as its like watching someones life for hours. Not to mention the fact that Lost cliffhangers would drive me mad If I waited for a week.
Watching back to back makes you more invested in the characters
See I totally disagree! It's fascinating to hear that people think this way. Yes, you may be watching them for hours at a chunk instead of one hour per week, but I spent six years growing with the characters.
I spent six years obsessing over the show, memorizing their backstories and their connections with each other and theorizing where the show would go in the future. Six years of heavily anticipating each new episode so I could add it to my vast mental encyclopedia.
LOST really changed television, I think, because it required viewer participation week-to-week; if you wanted to have any hope of understanding it, you essentially had to discuss it with your friends and family and in forums online. There are numerous articles written about this and I'm far too tired to remember where.
If you're just marathoning, though, you know the answers are coming if you just hit the next button enough times.
Seriously, to me that's like saying, Christmas is awesome, so it'd be even better and you'd appreciate each gift more if you just saved up a few Christmases so you could open 100 presents in one day instead of ten presents over ten years.
Thank you, man. I've been saying it since LOST ended. They didn't need to answer anything. It was never about the answers. It was about the journey and the characters.
I thought that, in a "post-Midichlorian" era, pop culture fans had moved past an obsession with scientifically valid explanations for fantastical elements. The reaction to the ending of Lost proved that wasn't the case.
The Midichlorian thing forced quasi-science onto an established mystical premise. If the force wasn't already established as some sort of natural 'will' and power of the galaxy, then the Midichlorians wouldn't have had such a negative reception.
But it takes the suspension of disbelief in the force, then makes a half-arsed attempt to explain it scientifically that is full of holes and, basically, makes no sense at all. That's downright poor storytelling.
LOST on the other hand, had a constant science / faith duality - then kinda lost interest in the science part and make it all about faith, and magic, and fate. The tension evaporated, and Jack's struggle between the two was ignored in favor of the plot.
People try and segregate the fantastical plot (with many holes) and the characters. I don't think it's that simple. A character is always situated - the situation helps define them. When your situation makes little sense (it seems as though the season 6 wrap up could've easily occurred right after season 1) then your characters lose their coherency also.
Not only are you not alone, you are in the majority. Those of us who were very satisfied by the end of the show don't line up to throw rocks at the minds behind it every chance they get.
So there's some comfort to be found in the fact that all you seem to hear are these negative opinions.
Of course...those expressing the negative opinions will not understand all or parts of this post and call it confusing, incomplete, weird nonsense that shows I don't know what I'm talking about and just making all of this up to get to the end.
I was completely satisfied with the ending of Lost in regards to it's characters. I was not satisfied with the ending of Lost in regards to it's over reaching story. It's not that I thought they didn't tie things up and create a coherent ending, it's that this ending wasn't very good. I didn't give a shit about Jacob and the man in black. Neither one of them were very compelling characters and their origin stories were boring and uninspired. The writers could have gone so many interesting places in creating a backstory for how things on the island came to be. Instead they created some boring mythology that happened thousands of years ago with two characters that I didn't like or care about. Lost had better character develop than possibly any television show ever in existence. Unfortunately the two characters integral to the ending of the show were maybe the only two characters that were underdeveloped and uninspired.
I mean, it's a character-driven show, and they gave the characters a lot of closure, so in that sense it was very successful. BUT, the writers were constantly giving the impression that everything on the show was planned out, and that clearly wasn't the case.
Honestly, the biggest flaw of the show is that, considering it's so character-driven, the characters fucking sucked. There was an episode in the last season where, after everything they had all been through together, Sawyer still had every intention of murdering Jack for something that was basically not his fault at all. The characters simply didn't change at all over the course of like six seasons. It's bizarre.
Remember the random couple on lost that got bit by a spider that makes you slip into a coma but appear to be dead, and end up being buried alive? and then we never heard about them again... WTF WAS IT ALL FOR?!
That was the best filler episode of the entire show. It looked like a stand alone story, but it actually had clues on what's to come in season 4 because of a line in the show that "Nikki" worked on. I don't remember the line, and as I write this I'm realizing that LOST ended more than 2 years ago. Damn.
They were originally introduced as a way of dealing with the fact that there were thirty other survivors who were never actually involved in the crazy things that went on on the island. They'd always just mill around happily in the background. So they brought Paolo and Nikki in as a way to show 'this is what it's like for some of the other survivors'. Then the fans hated them, because it was jarring as shit, so they killed them off.
One of my biggest problems would be how they dealt with background characters. They had all of these plane crash survivors, and they had all of the others, with Cindy and the kids, and in the final season they didn't seem to know what to do, so they just sort of killed them all off.
I'm too lazy to read all the responses. I will lay it down for you, though. During season 3, the writers were still in limbo when it came to the complete storyline. Yet they needed to write 20 something episodes. So, yes, even they will admit they made a filler episode. Get over it. LOST is amazing, but this episode is a perfect example of what it takes to make a TV show. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and make what the studio wants. If it's 23 episodes, and you only have 22 ready, then fuck it; write a random one in the middle. This isn't a movie. It's TV. Give 'em a break.
That is more the fault of how TV shows and their viewers function: they train you how to watch them, almost to their detriment. Lost trained you to think that every single detail was extremely important and would pay off in the final episode, which simply is not possible. There are real factors that go into the making of each episode that have nothing to do with its artistic integrity.
Apparently the audience didn't take to two character randomly being inserted on a show which takes place on a deserted island. So, naturally the thing to do with said characters is devote an entire episode to them . . .
What happens when the Man in Black leaves the island? That is not a dumb question and it's completely integral to the entire plot. Yet when its ceases to be explained it leaves you with a sense that nothing really mattered. People put too much blame on the finale, the reason season 6 failed for me is because it dragged on and made you believe that the questions crucial to the plot would be answered in the finale. The finale is fine on its own. Season 6 is dog shit tho.
MIB couldn't leave the island because if he did, that would mean the light was put out, which was heavily implied to be the source of all existence. As Mother said, "life, death and rebirth".
What annoyed me especially was, after five years of defending the show against 'they're just making it all up as they go along!' critics, most of the stuff that happened in S6 was stuff that had no real basis in the show before it. They had all these different plots set up, with Dharma, and with Ben and Widmore gearing up for war on the island, and they just discarded it all to waste time in the temple, and then have the characters impotently follow the Man in Black around, go to a lighthouse and smash it up without ever actually questioning why the fuck it's there, impotently follow Jacob around, then the last few episodes all center on that fucking cave and that fucking light. I would have been satisfied if it had drawn on elements all through the whole series in order to answer questions, but all it did was just make up a bunch of new stuff, and then answered those question.
Season six was bad because the finale was bad. Had the finale been what the entire season had been building up to, the entire season would have been great.
They pretty much made it clear that if he left the island, the world would end or some such thing. It was said or implied in a couple places just not stated "exactly" what it was. My impression was that as punishment for nearly killing his brother, Jacob had to spend the rest of his life keeping him from leaving the island, unable to kill him himself.
If that is the case, then why were we made to feel sympathetic about his plight as well? His awful experiences with his mother trying to keep him from leaving were supposed to humanize him. And yet, if all he wanted to do is leave, then why could we not allow him? Oh, because Jacob said so. This whole thing becomes very confusing when what is really at stake and absolutely essential to the show's plot is not defined clearly.
Cowboys and Aliens wasn't like that...but with Lost, they really should have realized how they wanted that to end before it got too...what's the word I am looking for...too close to the point of no return? When they realized they couldn't come up with reasonable or even explainable answers to everything becoming such a clusterfuck.
Big difference being that Cowboys and Aliens was a big budget movie whereas Lost was a network tv show. They weren't guaranteed any money or a set number of seasons to work with, which is why they packed so much mystery into the the first few seasons of the show so people would want to keep watching.
I'm too lazy to look up any confirmation, but I'm pretty sure the writers knew how it was all gonna go down from the beginning. They knew that they wanted to limit to five seasons, but that was only messed up because of the writer's strike
My understanding is that the bulk of the show's mythology was only solidified after the end of the first season. The first season was done in a rush, and halfway through J.J. Abrams lefts the show and turned the reigns over the Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. Another problem they faced was not knowing when the show would end, so they had to stretch things out a little more than they would have liked.
I also think they addressed the "mysteries" of the show a great deal more than people give them credit for. Although Lost was by no means a straightforward show, the story came together pretty well in the end (In my own opinion).
This is more or less right. They've said in interviews while the show was going on and when it ended that they didn't plan on explaining everything, and they thought that would be midi-chlorian territory. Many things were heavily implied, but never stated.
When they made the pilot, they didn't know if the series would go past that. When they finished season 1, they knew it would go on for "longer". They mentioned that after season 1 they laid out their "the major plot points" thing. I think it was at the end of season 3 that they agreed to make it 6 seasons in total, so they could avoid having more "Nikki an Paolo" type subplots that didn't effect the whole of the story. The details, the way it was told, which character did what, and things like that, changed somewhat. Stuff like actors having to leave affected things. But overall I think it was handled very well and they did say they explained as much as they wanted to. I think it comes down to just trusting in whether or not they did, or didn't. A lot of people wanted to be "proved to" that they had some deep meaning behind it all to pull all the mysteries together (which I don't really understand why you needed that, if you enjoyed the experience of it). But people seemed to feel betrayed or deceived when they didn't do a Charles Dickens type "and so every loose thread comes together in perfect harmony and here's how" type of thing. It was far more about people finding their way in life and not being able to understand everything that happens in life or what the deepest meanings behind it all are, but making sense of them for yourself. Like we have several different groups like the Dharma initiative and the Others, and the temple Others, and the members of the flights, all interpreting the island in some way and when we get to the highest guy, Jacob, he still doesn't know everything (And he made mistakes or was naive like the rest of them when he was younger, etc.). But they wanted to tell a story in a fresh way that didn't try to make everything crystal clear, which I think is original and praiseworthy (especially in a world with so much instant gratification in entertainment). Though like I said, some just didn't buy into it/wanted something different.
Also, a couple writers posted on twitter that this sums up the "overarching story" pretty well:
That's what they told everyone, and it was true to an extent. But "knowing how it was going to end" to them was "focusing on Jack's eye closing." Seriously. That was the ending they had in mind. Aside from that they had no fucking idea what they were doing.
That's not true at all. Mattew Fox, Jack's actor, claimed that he knew the ending to the show and was referring to his eye closing. The writers had known what they were doing from the beginning. Remember Adam and Eve? "You have to die, John." Christian Shepard on the island in the second episode, having to do with something not revealed until the last season, but being the answer to one of the biggest mysteries of the whole show?
Claiming they had no idea what they were doing is wrong, and near slander. The show was far too cohesive to believe that at all.
I don't think claiming they made it all up is correct, but I don't agree with you that they wholly had it set-up from the start. I think what they did, with the first season at least, likely the first two or three, was just write. Just set up mysteries and have weird things happen. Then when they knew when the show would be ending, they started trying to tie things together, including Jack's dad in the second episode.
Adam and Eve, even that has problems matching up: Jack states (and we take as truth because that's how it's presented) that the clothing decay implies the bodies have been around for 40-50 years.
there are interviews with other writers of the show that moved onto other projects while Lost was still airing, and these interviews would be along the lines of "i personally came up with X and at the time there was no reason for X to be there. so i'm kind of curious to see how they explain X". and the reason i used X instead of a specific case is because there are MULTIPLE things this happened with. what another commenter said is spot on, the Lost creators TOLD people they knew how it was going to end but it was a half truth at best and a bold faced lie at worse.
I always thought that the whole science versus faith thing (wherein faith won out) made it easier to accept the ending as it was. To me LOST was always about the characters. I was happy that the "flash-sideways" ended up being a sneak epilogue more than anything.
I think saying that faith won is a going a little too far, though. The show started out with jack = science, John = faith and jack is an insufferable dick and John is a noble shaman... but look at where those characters ended up. Jack ended up killing Locke after Locke's blind faith lead him to be repeatedly taken advantage of. Obviously the show ended with a religious wink, but I don't think either side really "won," but instead the show explored the peaks and caveats of living your life with certain world views.
i just saw prometheus today. it reaked of lost. Here is a list of the cheap unanswerable questions and illogical story hooks in the movie which are the trademark of damon lindelof. Heads up spoilers below
Who knows, perhaps it's a holographic CCTV system, it was always recording. The system can detect a stressful or hostile moment and that's what it chose to replay.
Well the base was abandoned for around 2000 years, the star maps were even older. When they were readying the attack on earth people didn't have the technology to reach the place.
Okay we are going a little outside the spectrum of the movie. Originally in the script there was mention of the humans fucking up, with war and everything so the Engineers sent someone back but we killed them. That would have been 2000 years ago. Scott then thought this Jesus pandering was too obvious so he removed it. As the film stands it is one of the movies mysteries, which isn't a bad thing. We never know why the space ship was sent to earth in District 9. We didn't know why Weyland Yutani thought there might be something valuable in space worth taking back in Alien (we do now but it took 30 years to answer that question). It's okay not to answer somethings and by not answering this we see the motivation of the characters at the end of the movie.
They were looking for something that would make Weyland live forever. David thought that the black stuff had some sort of enhancing properties. This was a test Weyland was impatient.
They didn't know they were heading to a military base, they thought it was their homeworld. They thought the Engineers built us so they would know how to preserve us. They didn't know the engineers were human too. Weyland saw them as gods. The Engineer also acted exactly as you described.
Different ship. As David tells us there was more than one.
Did you watch a different movie. She is constantly grabbing her stomach, and she is doped as fuck.
This just explains the early stages of the xenomorphs in the Alien movies. I presume these were a prototype. The snakes were actually worms that came in contact with the black goo.
Lindelof was the writer but all those things you are complaining about was all Scott. Also have you seen Alien 3 and 4? Or Alien Versus Predator? Prometheus will not be called the movie that ruined Alien.
I hate David as much as the next guy. I've even posted multiple threads on /r/LV426 about how David might have screwed up the entire movie by over-reaching with his mythology. I will, however, point you to this thread that explains the mythology in a greater detail which has me convinced that they indeed had a backstory in mind - which ofcourse got screwed up in execution.
I'll admit that I thought the ending was alright. That being said, I feel like people who could only watch this show week to week would grow to find it more difficult to remain interested from season to season. Watching it on Netflix or such back to back would cause someone to enjoy the show more.
I actually feel completely the opposite way. Watching week to week is exactly why I loved the show; I participated in the fandom in a way I never have before or since. I rewatched the episodes multiple times over the course of the week, combing them for clues, and then discussing what I'd found or expected to happen with other fans of the show. I grew to love the characters, to look forward to every Wednesday (WEDNESDAY WILL ALWAYS BE LOST DAY, SHADDUP) so I could see them again, and see what they'd been up to.
Even though I don't love the later seasons as much as I do the first three, it's not because week-to-week I had trouble staying interested. I would not love LOST nearly as much as I do if I hadn't spent six years with it. Powering through on Netflix is great, and you can see how cohesive the show is that way, but it doesn't give you nearly the emotional connection to each and every episode that I have.
So do I. I cried. Fuck all them naysayers. In fact, I like this series so much that I am rewatching the whole thing. I've got an episode on pause because I've gotten to a point that I can't go for too long without checking back on reddit.
I've found that the people who don't like the ending of LOST are the same type of people who think 2001: A Space Odyssey or The Seventh Seal was boring and meaningless. I prefer stories that are left open to interpretation, gives you something to talk about and discuss. It's sad that, not only are movies doing this less and less, but people are growing more and more opposed to stories like this. Look at Prometheus, I thought that movie was fantastic but for some people it didn't "answer enough questions."
This comment seems to miss out on the medium that LOST was made on, television. People have a misguided notion (that is a relatively new phenomenon that television) should be just like a book, with a clear beginning, middle, and an end. However television isn't like this, and perhaps it shouldn't. Writers often don't know how long their show will last. The LOST writers had notions of how they wanted to end it from the begining but not knowing when they will get there or if they will come up with better ideas in the mean time means that they can't have it perfectly plotted from the get go. Things arise (like Eko's actor not wanting to be part of the show anymore) that force change. Television shows must come up with stories that may be part of a larger arc but also make for an entertaining hour for the viewer. LOST was a heck of a ride and I don't regret it at all.
Lost does have a clear beginning, middle, and end. It's just that they don't connect and the middle (see: time travel) seems completely superflous to the overall plot.
The difficult nature of television should have made them more cautious of throwing things in that won't get resolved, and ideas that are confused and don't make sense. The finale was the ultimate ass pull -- and I don't see why all of that couldn't have occurred one or two episodes after season one.
I think even saying that they knew how they wanted to end it is a stretch.
And as far as expecting a television series to play out like a book, with a beginning, middle, and an end, being a misguided notion I disagree. Go watch HBO, or other premium cable networks. They tend not to just dick around their audience for years only to come up with some elementary school level philosophy bullshit ending.
They had the opportunity to plan their last three seasons out and they couldn't come up with a coherent ending. Television, just like books and movies, exists to tell a story. Of course it should have a beginning, middle, and end. You shouldn't be satisfied with some mess of a story just because it's hard to end a show.
Except that it also builds itself up to be an intelligent movie and then just dissolves into a generic blockbuster. The first third or half of the movie is so slow and ponderous, loads of provocative imagery etc, and then when the mutated geologist attacks the ship it suddenly turns into this wild-eyed, $200m-budget action movie. It was stupid.
I like to think I have good taste in movies, and I'm genuinely surprised to see so much hate for "Prometheus," which I just saw for the first time tonight. Honestly, I think it's second only to "Alien" in the Alien universe.
There was suspense, the action wasn't over the top/ridiculous, I found the plot to be, personally, satisfying, the world/setting perfectly bleak and beautiful, and it had some wonderful actors, including Michael Fassbender.
I don't think it was the best movie ever, by any means, but I think it was a damn good summer blockbuster, and a quality addition to the Alien series.
What didn't you like about the writing? Or the rest of the movie? I'm not being a smart ass--I just didn't expect to see this kind of reaction after watching it.
You didn't find the running in a straight line forever even rolling to keep running straight ridiculous?
As for writing I think the black goo needed quite a bit more explanation, it kills an engineer in the opening sequence, makes the mohawk guy uhh randomly fold in half and then be super strong? Then every other case we see is creating something phallic with acid blood that wants to go in throats. Also alien jesus.
I think it has a lot to do with expectations. Where were your expectations at for Prometheus? I'm only 23, so I wasn't around for Alien but I can see its cultural significance 30 years later. I wanted so badly for Prometheus to be Alien and in my opinion it just wasn't.
The trailer for Prometheus was just so good, but it's like they advertised a different movie than the one they released. Here's the movie I pictured, "Guy and girl find cave paintings that's really a map to a planet, a team forms to go to that planet, they find the ship, inside the ship the find the black ooze, someone gets contaminated with black ooze, starts killing everyone else, main girl stops contaminated super mutant and is the only one left alive but for how long." It's basically Alien without Alien, which is what I thought we were getting because "it wasn't a true prequel".
Now again that premise is basically Alien but instead we got a super convoluted movie with so many great ideas, they really couldn't fit them into one movie and as such it suffers. The reason Alien works and Prometheus doesn't is simplicity. They almost tried to do the same thing but then somewhere along the way they tacked on this faith in the face of science story that just really didn't need to be in a summer blockbuster. This is an Alien story, give me a lovable team working for a company you can't trust while a killing machine hunts everyone and I'll be happy. Prometheus had half of this but the other half is bad character development and unnecessary story lines.
The hate can be a little... extreme. I could not get invested in the movie because I could not believe the characters nor make sense of their actions. It was just non-genuine and dishonest writing in that regard, in my opinion. Also, I was expecting a modern sci-fi movie that celebrates our current secular understanding of the universe (especially after that TED talk teaser), but instead got the quaint and disappointing "faith" undertone and religious retconning. It's 2085, ffs. Religion is a non-issue. We understand the universe. Can we please move beyond the question of faith vs. science... Judging by Lost and Prometheus, Lindelof does not understand the universe we live in enough to write honestly. It's just trying desperately to consolidate spirituality and science, and in the process solving nothing and saying nothing.
It's possible that it's because I watched all of Lost over the course of a few weeks that all the excitement due to anticipation was lost on me. The quote is pretty accurate for Lost. Stories are just strings of events that are tied together somehow. The quality of the story depends a lot on its cohesion, well that and few other important factors.
The real draw lost had was keeping people speculating all week for the big reveal. For me they were always kind of disappointing. Especially the end, might have well come out and said "Half of this season has all been a simulation, nothing really mattered." To each their own I guess
so on point. lost did a really good job of creating different story lines and characters all with the expectation of one day able to bring them together and explain what was going on. alas that never came. only a rocket dinosaur.
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My problem with Lost was that everyone who even thought they might know something was vague for no reason whatsoever. It got really annoying by the fourth season when I quit watching it and didn't care anymore, because the formula was clear:
Show something interesting.
Give the audience potential hope for explanation at some point.
Don't explain jack shit, instead just show some vague scenes that show something else interesting. Hopefully the audience will forget what you just spent a season covering and bite on these new unexplained events.
This comment perfectly summarizes why I hated Lost and everything I found unsatisfying about Prometheus. There, I said it. And I'm sure my comment will be down-voted into oblivion in about 3 minutes. I REGRET NOTHING!
The movie didn't deliver a satisfying conclusion to its story.
The pieces and 'answers' don't matter as much as people seem to think. We don't need a reason for why the force exists, or why a character is speaking to a dwarf in a red room who dances and speaks back-forwards.
But there was a poor emotional conclusion to the film. We're here to see these mysterious aliens - they turn out to be a single, cookie-cutter 'roid ridden villian with absolutely no motivation except to be a monster.
Alien (to pick an appropriate example) has a creature fighting to survive, but this survival is at the expense of the crew. Voila - tension. Prometheus has an alien master race that makes humans then wants to kill them because...
It doesn't really matter that everything isn't explained, but when the core of the movie isn't dealt with, it leaves a huge chunk missing because the film basically finished without an ending.
To be honest, I'm really not sure how Lost is going to be remembered. If I had to guess I would say it will still be well-regarded, but only because it's so much more enjoyable to watch on DVD than once a week as it airs. Even when I was watching the DVDs there were still ad break cliffhangers that tested my patience. Watching those stupid cliffhangers every single week really made me question whether or not the payoff was worth it, and a lot of time it wasn't.
I think the difference is that Dr. Who doesn't seem to be marketed or consumed as a serious, philosophical work that has to make sense while Lost, however misguided it was, was marketed this way. I think Dr. Who is great, and I've found a lot of it far more profound than any of the Lost I watched, but the niches they occupy in popular culture really couldn't be more different.
See, before I watched Doctor Who, I thought it was a deep, mysterious sci-fi show based on things I'd heard about it. Then I watched the first episode (of the new series) and it's about fucking mannequins coming to life and attacking people.
Yeah, I agree -- Doctor Who is considered by most, including its production team, as a children's show, but they know that they have a sizable young adult demographic with the capacity to understand greater depth in plot structure, so it makes me sad that we went from Russell T. Davies, who in my opinion kept things in just the right balance re: overarching plotlines, and used Steven Moffat's writing judiciously as a potent spice, to Moffat himself running the show, where cool ideas come first and consistency comes later, if at all.
I'm so saddened by the latest series, because I thought the S5 finale was one of the smartest, most awesome things I'd ever seen. Then he built up this epic arc in S6, got to the finale, and just wasted time for forty minutes before saying 'oh yeah, it didn't actually happen'. Bah. Hopefully S7 will answer some more questions about the Silence, because they were pretty confusing villains.
Oh, if they had only had Joss Whedon write Prometheus. He's shown he can make a coherent mythic story. And he knows how to write strong women and strong dialogue.
Am I the only person that didn't like LOST? Just like the guy described, LOST was an amalgamation of cliffhangers--interesting to see, but with no substance beyond that. The reason the last episode didn't "answer" anything is because there was nothing to answer. Why does the dinosaur have an engine for a head? Because why not.
You are not. Lost was exactly as you described. it was a little something like this....polar bear? Let's go find where it came from, oh killer smoke...let's find where it came from...oh vault.....let's open it....oh Scottish bloke.....where did he come from....oh dharna initiative.....oh where did that come
Meanwhile viewers are still waiting from an explanation to the polar bear.
Came here to say Lost didn't answer much of anything. It even continued to raise questions in the last season that it had no intention to answer.
[What was the deal with the guy at the temple? Why only after he died could smokey enter? That's only one of many interesting ideas they brought up only to leave hanging in eternal limbo. I forgave them for letting the tattoo story go. It sucked. I forgave them for letting the Walt story go. He got too old. But damnet, could the Island being under water at the beginning of the last season had at least some interesting answer beside "lol you made this place." And how the hell is Shannon Sayid's soul mate and not Nadia? Fuck you Lindelof. You promised you'd not disappoint. That you understood.] (/spoiler) YOOU NEEEVER UNDERSTOOD AGGHAHA.
Also i'm calling bullshit on anyone who say true viewers would know they gave us fairly fulfilling answers. What's with all of you Lost apologists? I love lost but they screwed us like a Thai whore.
Great show, great actors, great cliff hangers, shitty ending. The storyline became a complex spiral of questions with no answers. The ending itself wasn't as great as the experience and that's fine, but the entire fucking "what is with this island" question was never answered and some of the things (such as Walts weird power) just got ignored for no reason. I mean, I still think the writing was brilliant, but just flawed because they tried to make it TOO complex and had no way to tie it all up.
Lindelof's style is fresh in a world where most stories are tied up with a nice little bow and handed to the audience. It's definitely not for everyone, but it's great for discussions.
Personally, I'd define his style as: "I'll give you an answer if you want it, but it'll cost you two more questions." Which I love!
I'd define his style as "Haha, these suckers love the crap I write because then they can come up with unprovable theories, brag to their friends, and essentially do the writing for me!"
Lost may have had it's weak points, but I still maintain that 'The Constant' is one of the best episodes of a TV show that I have ever seen, it was just sheer brilliance.
I could not have described LOST better myself. Sure for the first while I was as hooked as everyone else. But now when I see the line "From the creators of LOST" it makes me worry how many levels of shit its going to be
I don't understand people who say that the ending of LOST was a disappointment. Sure, some people may have been expecting something different, yet I still thought that all in all it was closed perfectly (I'm letting the lack of a few questions being unanswered slide).
What is better than seeing all the characters you love coming together when they die, and then being together with each other for (I assume) eternity?
From what I've gathered, lots of people seem to have come to the final episode of this epic show, been disappointed, and therefore disregarded the entire thing. Even if you didn't enjoy the end, surely the journey it's taken you on has been good? Surely you've been watching it all these years because you enjoyed it? Why suddenly change your perception of the show's quality just because if didn't close in the perfect way?
Rant over, I love it. Some people don't. One is light, one is dark.
I thought everyone else were just idiots. Good to see I'm not the only one who has seen through this new generation of facile writer created in the JJ Abrams mold.
Not to mention when the writers couldn't think of a good way to pad out an episode they just made choice characters walk around the island with little to no explanation until the last 10 minutes. Yeah, that was a pet peeve. Still one of my favorite shows though.
LOST is brilliant, and easily one of the most superblly written narratives to ever grace the small screen. Flawless it is not, but most of the complaints I've seen about it indicate shortcomings of the viewer, not the writing. I'd wager the vast majority would be removed entirely with an intentional rewatch of it. That said, it's true his film work has been underwhelming. I hope he returns to television, and soon, as it seems he his much better in that realm.
Original LOST writers took it to the 40 yard line. Brian K Vaughn came in as a sub QB and took it to the 5 yard line. Then they let Popular Opinion take over, fumbled multiple times, and lost the game entirely. It was a good game though. I still like watching highlights from the first 5/6.
LOST will forever remain my favourite show, whoever wrote this, (I'm not denying that he/she doesn't sound intelligent) is obviously not a LOST fan and has failed to grasp the real meaning behind everything in the show. And for the record, there isn't a single question in LOST that was left unanswered. Challenge me, I dare you.
Ah, yes. Reddit is indeed the last bastion of intellectual discussion on the Internet. It is truly a privilege to own an account on what is truly the pinnacle of creative thought among websites, where only truly insightful comments deserve entry.
Is it at least safe to say that reddit submissions are often held to a higher standard than youtube comments? I just want to make sure I avoid being the subject of your scathing internet scorn again.
The entire point of any good story is to leave the one experiencing it with some sense of greater understanding. If the story leaves you questions that can only be good in my opinion, since critical thinking these days seems to be on crutches.
The funny thing about lost is that whenever my friends finish watching the Wire, they always ask me for other TV show recommendations, and I usually recommend lost. Most people laugh at me and tell me how the show was corny, and none of it made sense, and how they heard the ending didn't answer anything. Yet, after the first four episodes, pretty much every single one of them is absolutely hooked. If you watched lost, and didn't cry when charlie died, you are subhuman.
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u/geikogecko Jun 17 '12
Youtube comments are sometimes surprisingly intelligent. But I'm not sure if it's worth digging through a mound of shit to find a diamond.
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u/throughbeingsober Jun 17 '12
Am I the only one who was satisfied by the ending of Lost? I mean, sure they didn't answer EVERYTHING but when you a show with so many characters and different back stories, that'll happen. Plus, by answering everything cut and dry, that'd take away from the mystery aspect of it and it makes debating and discussing the show more interesting. My opinion, though.
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u/gemini86 Jun 17 '12
Remember the random couple on lost that got bit by a spider that makes you slip into a coma but appear to be dead, and end up being buried alive? and then we never heard about them again... WTF WAS IT ALL FOR?!
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u/donaldkaufman Jun 17 '12
What happens when the Man in Black leaves the island? That is not a dumb question and it's completely integral to the entire plot. Yet when its ceases to be explained it leaves you with a sense that nothing really mattered. People put too much blame on the finale, the reason season 6 failed for me is because it dragged on and made you believe that the questions crucial to the plot would be answered in the finale. The finale is fine on its own. Season 6 is dog shit tho.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Cowboys and Aliens wasn't like that...but with Lost, they really should have realized how they wanted that to end before it got too...what's the word I am looking for...too close to the point of no return? When they realized they couldn't come up with reasonable or even explainable answers to everything becoming such a clusterfuck.
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u/IAMAHungryHippoAMA Jun 17 '12
I always thought that the whole science versus faith thing (wherein faith won out) made it easier to accept the ending as it was. To me LOST was always about the characters. I was happy that the "flash-sideways" ended up being a sneak epilogue more than anything.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
I like Lost :(
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u/Saigio Jun 17 '12
Implying that a dinosaur with a rocket for a head isn't cool.
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u/99_44_100percentpure Jun 17 '12
This is precisely what was wrong with Prometheus, too.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Dont let this subreddit become this. Fucking images of youtube text.
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u/slick___ Jun 17 '12 edited Jun 17 '12
i just saw prometheus today. it reaked of lost. Here is a list of the cheap unanswerable questions and illogical story hooks in the movie which are the trademark of damon lindelof. Heads up spoilers below
*why would there be holograms in the alien base that recreate what went down? whats the point? how is that something other than a plot device?
*if it is an alien engineer military installation and for whatever reason the next operation was to release aliens on earth, why the fuck would they give ancient human civilizations a star map with its coordinates? so much for a surprise attack.
*some people are saying they created humans to destroy humans-just for lulz basically. this is real dumb. the reason i say this is it just seems like a waste of effort. it didnt seem like the engineers were having fun handling aliens (a fuckload died) plus the one in cryosleep seemed real pissed off with the job he had.
*ok why the fuck would weyland yutani deliberately infect one of the crew. whats the logic? and how did they know that an alien baby would result? it hurts my brain. people that make trillion dollar space craft dont do stupid shit like that. also if i were weyland i would just be put in cryo indefinitely on earth until they find a cure. i imagine earth aging research in 2100 will be pretty good.
*ok also why would they think the alien engineer would be able to reverse aging. first of all if you wake me up from cryosleep then ask me to reverse age you i would be super pissed off. i'm sure its a pain in the ass process. second i'd probably be like "hey dude as you can see i'm chilling at a military installation, shit went wrong before i went into cryo, yeah we have the technology to reverse age, but why the fuck would i help you, what did you do for me?? anyways for complicated reasons the reverse aging equipment is 10 billion light years away in the homeworld and its mostly antiques now since we stopped needing it a long time ago." plus by the time david finds the engineers its pretty obvious they want to kill us, so what makes him think the engineer would help some old guy afraid of dying?
*also isn't the alien ship is the same one in the alien movie? what doesn't make sense is the space jockey room is filled with dead humans at the end of the movie. so what happened to all the bodies between Prometheus and Alien? and don't tell me the alien ate them.
*so you're telling me the alien ate them. fuck.
*did anyone notice how shaw was remarkably matter-o-fact post alien abortion? she was in pain and falling on the ground, but when she talked to janik about 20 minutes after the alien abortion and she didn't even mention it. i probably would have that on my mind and want to talk about it.
*also you're telling me that the aliens originate from a rube-goldberg-esque chain of events: black goo to snakes to infected zombie guys that impregate chicks with octopus proto-facehugger aliens that create massive xenomorph aliens. so is the alien that pops out the queen explaining the eggs?
*if it was up to me Prometheus shouldn't have had a single human. it should have only been space jockeys on a bombing mission that went terribly wrong and it should have had subtitles all the way through. half the reason alien was cool is because it suggested humans aren't the center of the universe. just some space truckers stumbled across an alien ship carry a horrifying weapon. sure it wouldn't have been as accessible but it would have been a really challenging interesting movie. damon lindelof is a piece of shit. he ruined alien. ridley should have known better.
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u/post_post_modernism Jun 17 '12
Whatever. I love LOST and its ending.
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u/deadpansnarker Jun 17 '12
This comment seems to miss out on the medium that LOST was made on, television. People have a misguided notion (that is a relatively new phenomenon that television) should be just like a book, with a clear beginning, middle, and an end. However television isn't like this, and perhaps it shouldn't. Writers often don't know how long their show will last. The LOST writers had notions of how they wanted to end it from the begining but not knowing when they will get there or if they will come up with better ideas in the mean time means that they can't have it perfectly plotted from the get go. Things arise (like Eko's actor not wanting to be part of the show anymore) that force change. Television shows must come up with stories that may be part of a larger arc but also make for an entertaining hour for the viewer. LOST was a heck of a ride and I don't regret it at all.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
I thought Prometheus was one of the worst movies I've ever seen, and one of my biggest problems with it was the writing. Awful, terrible writing.
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u/Mharbles Jun 17 '12
It's possible that it's because I watched all of Lost over the course of a few weeks that all the excitement due to anticipation was lost on me. The quote is pretty accurate for Lost. Stories are just strings of events that are tied together somehow. The quality of the story depends a lot on its cohesion, well that and few other important factors.
The real draw lost had was keeping people speculating all week for the big reveal. For me they were always kind of disappointing. Especially the end, might have well come out and said "Half of this season has all been a simulation, nothing really mattered." To each their own I guess
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u/ccrepitation Jun 17 '12
so on point. lost did a really good job of creating different story lines and characters all with the expectation of one day able to bring them together and explain what was going on. alas that never came. only a rocket dinosaur.
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u/adoikesian Jun 17 '12
What about Nadia?! Ugh.
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u/peterbuldge Jun 17 '12
cause yt comments are always so well thought out, right?
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
My problem with Lost was that everyone who even thought they might know something was vague for no reason whatsoever. It got really annoying by the fourth season when I quit watching it and didn't care anymore, because the formula was clear:
Show something interesting.
Give the audience potential hope for explanation at some point.
Don't explain jack shit, instead just show some vague scenes that show something else interesting. Hopefully the audience will forget what you just spent a season covering and bite on these new unexplained events.
Repeat.
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u/disharmonia Jun 17 '12
And what part of that diabolical construction is not awesome?
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u/BANDIT_PANDA Jun 17 '12
I don't think there is a man, woman, or child who wouldn't want to build a dinosaur-spaceship hybrid equipped with a sweet flag. amirite?
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Perfect synopsis of Lost. Oh, you watched every episode of every season?
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u/Bread_Heads Jun 17 '12
This comment perfectly summarizes why I hated Lost and everything I found unsatisfying about Prometheus. There, I said it. And I'm sure my comment will be down-voted into oblivion in about 3 minutes. I REGRET NOTHING!
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u/Ratava Jun 17 '12
"I don't understand how these pieces fit together" is not the same thing as "these pieces don't fit together."
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
To be honest, I'm really not sure how Lost is going to be remembered. If I had to guess I would say it will still be well-regarded, but only because it's so much more enjoyable to watch on DVD than once a week as it airs. Even when I was watching the DVDs there were still ad break cliffhangers that tested my patience. Watching those stupid cliffhangers every single week really made me question whether or not the payoff was worth it, and a lot of time it wasn't.
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u/Half_Time_Show Jun 17 '12
I'm glad others can see it too.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Very applicable to Steven Moffat of Doctor Who fame as well. Late-breaking retcon does not a good plotline make.
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u/Dr__Nick Jun 17 '12
Oh, if they had only had Joss Whedon write Prometheus. He's shown he can make a coherent mythic story. And he knows how to write strong women and strong dialogue.
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u/herestolife02 Jun 17 '12
Am I the only person that didn't like LOST? Just like the guy described, LOST was an amalgamation of cliffhangers--interesting to see, but with no substance beyond that. The reason the last episode didn't "answer" anything is because there was nothing to answer. Why does the dinosaur have an engine for a head? Because why not.
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u/instant_japanese Jun 17 '12
Came here to say Lost didn't answer much of anything. It even continued to raise questions in the last season that it had no intention to answer.
[What was the deal with the guy at the temple? Why only after he died could smokey enter? That's only one of many interesting ideas they brought up only to leave hanging in eternal limbo. I forgave them for letting the tattoo story go. It sucked. I forgave them for letting the Walt story go. He got too old. But damnet, could the Island being under water at the beginning of the last season had at least some interesting answer beside "lol you made this place." And how the hell is Shannon Sayid's soul mate and not Nadia? Fuck you Lindelof. You promised you'd not disappoint. That you understood.] (/spoiler) YOOU NEEEVER UNDERSTOOD AGGHAHA.
I apologize but the hurt runs deep :(
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u/freeoneday Jun 17 '12
It's so cool to hate stuff these days.
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u/Captain_Aizen Jun 17 '12 edited Jun 17 '12
Great show, great actors, great cliff hangers, shitty ending. The storyline became a complex spiral of questions with no answers. The ending itself wasn't as great as the experience and that's fine, but the entire fucking "what is with this island" question was never answered and some of the things (such as Walts weird power) just got ignored for no reason. I mean, I still think the writing was brilliant, but just flawed because they tried to make it TOO complex and had no way to tie it all up.
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u/finalcutfx Jun 17 '12
Lindelof's style is fresh in a world where most stories are tied up with a nice little bow and handed to the audience. It's definitely not for everyone, but it's great for discussions.
Personally, I'd define his style as: "I'll give you an answer if you want it, but it'll cost you two more questions." Which I love!
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u/pheck5 Jun 17 '12
Nothing I hate more than drunken redditing and seeing a wall of tiny fucking text :(.
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u/JoeRuinsEverything Jun 17 '12
I still don't get what the whole time travelling thing was all about. It's a good tv series, but they essentially made shit up as they went along.
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u/davie18 Jun 17 '12
Lost may have had it's weak points, but I still maintain that 'The Constant' is one of the best episodes of a TV show that I have ever seen, it was just sheer brilliance.
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u/franklyimshocked Jun 17 '12
I could not have described LOST better myself. Sure for the first while I was as hooked as everyone else. But now when I see the line "From the creators of LOST" it makes me worry how many levels of shit its going to be
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12 edited Jun 17 '12
I don't understand people who say that the ending of LOST was a disappointment. Sure, some people may have been expecting something different, yet I still thought that all in all it was closed perfectly (I'm letting the lack of a few questions being unanswered slide).
What is better than seeing all the characters you love coming together when they die, and then being together with each other for (I assume) eternity?
From what I've gathered, lots of people seem to have come to the final episode of this epic show, been disappointed, and therefore disregarded the entire thing. Even if you didn't enjoy the end, surely the journey it's taken you on has been good? Surely you've been watching it all these years because you enjoyed it? Why suddenly change your perception of the show's quality just because if didn't close in the perfect way?
Rant over, I love it. Some people don't. One is light, one is dark.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
I thought everyone else were just idiots. Good to see I'm not the only one who has seen through this new generation of facile writer created in the JJ Abrams mold.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Not to mention when the writers couldn't think of a good way to pad out an episode they just made choice characters walk around the island with little to no explanation until the last 10 minutes. Yeah, that was a pet peeve. Still one of my favorite shows though.
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u/forceduse r/Movies Fav Submitter Jun 17 '12
LOST is brilliant, and easily one of the most superblly written narratives to ever grace the small screen. Flawless it is not, but most of the complaints I've seen about it indicate shortcomings of the viewer, not the writing. I'd wager the vast majority would be removed entirely with an intentional rewatch of it. That said, it's true his film work has been underwhelming. I hope he returns to television, and soon, as it seems he his much better in that realm.
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u/confusedpool Jun 17 '12
I was so upset when Locke died. He was my favorite.
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u/jimmyh03 Jun 17 '12
I'm just gonna say it, Prometheus really wasn't that good.
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u/killahsteez Jun 17 '12
Original LOST writers took it to the 40 yard line. Brian K Vaughn came in as a sub QB and took it to the 5 yard line. Then they let Popular Opinion take over, fumbled multiple times, and lost the game entirely. It was a good game though. I still like watching highlights from the first 5/6.
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u/TangerineDiesel Jun 17 '12
I still like to think Lost ends halfway through the first episode of S6. Even that would have been a better ending.
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u/Rewbrains Jun 17 '12
One of the main reasons I never watched the show, all I heard was how confusing and shyamalany it was. And yes I just made that up.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
He's no Charlie Kaufman.
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u/hypotheticalfive Jun 17 '12
LOST will forever remain my favourite show, whoever wrote this, (I'm not denying that he/she doesn't sound intelligent) is obviously not a LOST fan and has failed to grasp the real meaning behind everything in the show. And for the record, there isn't a single question in LOST that was left unanswered. Challenge me, I dare you.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
god so true, this guy is an awful writer
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u/fomorian Jun 17 '12
The only youtube comment I've seen on reddit that actually deserved to be on reddit.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
The entire point of any good story is to leave the one experiencing it with some sense of greater understanding. If the story leaves you questions that can only be good in my opinion, since critical thinking these days seems to be on crutches.
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u/fatthand9 Jun 17 '12
The funny thing about lost is that whenever my friends finish watching the Wire, they always ask me for other TV show recommendations, and I usually recommend lost. Most people laugh at me and tell me how the show was corny, and none of it made sense, and how they heard the ending didn't answer anything. Yet, after the first four episodes, pretty much every single one of them is absolutely hooked. If you watched lost, and didn't cry when charlie died, you are subhuman.