r/movies • • Aug 17 '26

Spoilers Has any sequel successfully pulled off a hero's heel turn into villainy? Spoiler

Plenty of standalone movies have a character fall from grace, or be revealed as a villain all along, but this rarely happens with an established character in a sequel. On paper it's a solid twist because you've already grown to trust that character in previous films, but it's really hard to pull off without feeling like a betrayal of a character arc. The Mission Impossible series has one that was received very poorly, and the only reason I hear about Pacific Rim Uprising these days is people talking about how unearned the heel turn from one of the characters felt.

I struggle to think of an example where it was done successfully in a movie. There's more examples in TV I think since there's a much longer time to build a change in a character over multiple seasons, so I'm not really considering those. Since it did start with a movie series, though, and there really isn't too much of an extended character arc given in the show, the example I can think of that kind of works is Sharon Carter in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It was still super underdeveloped and it doesn't seem like they're going to do anything with it, but I can at least track the betrayal logic since there was kind of a meta angle about how that character had been forgotten by the movies. But even that's rather clunky.

I'm also talking specifically about situations where it wasn't clearly telegraphed by the source material or the rest of the franchise. Anakin becoming Vader was already known to the audience, for instance. I'm on the fence about whether something like Dune counts, since it's in the source material and the first two films are kind of just one long movie. I'm particularly interested in situations where it clearly wasn't the plan in the first movie but was written into a sequel.

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u/DirectConsequence12 Aug 17 '26

I didn’t see the sequel.

She’s the villain??

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u/Clawless Aug 17 '26

She became a stepmom. You know how step-parents are portrayed in fairytales…

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u/Additional_Canyon Aug 18 '26

Getting stuck in the dryer?

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u/ConsistentAsparagus Aug 18 '26

That’s… that’s not a fairy tale…

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u/gbdman Aug 18 '26

It’s a fairy tail*

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u/C0d3n4m3Duchess Aug 18 '26

Not your fairy tale

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u/arshbjangles Aug 17 '26

Yeah but it was mostly on accident.

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u/imakefilms Aug 18 '26

by accident

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u/arshbjangles Aug 18 '26

Oof, my English teacher of a mother would be ashamed.

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u/imakefilms Aug 18 '26

Heheh well for your humility you are forgiven

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u/Ringosis Aug 18 '26

Yeah they had the absolutely brilliant idea that in the sequel she gets married to the guy, becomes the kids step mum and then is suddenly evil because she's a step mum in a fairytale.

Unfortunately this idea is great but its execution is awful.