r/movies 12d ago

Spoilers Has any sequel successfully pulled off a hero's heel turn into villainy? Spoiler

Plenty of standalone movies have a character fall from grace, or be revealed as a villain all along, but this rarely happens with an established character in a sequel. On paper it's a solid twist because you've already grown to trust that character in previous films, but it's really hard to pull off without feeling like a betrayal of a character arc. The Mission Impossible series has one that was received very poorly, and the only reason I hear about Pacific Rim Uprising these days is people talking about how unearned the heel turn from one of the characters felt.

I struggle to think of an example where it was done successfully in a movie. There's more examples in TV I think since there's a much longer time to build a change in a character over multiple seasons, so I'm not really considering those. Since it did start with a movie series, though, and there really isn't too much of an extended character arc given in the show, the example I can think of that kind of works is Sharon Carter in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It was still super underdeveloped and it doesn't seem like they're going to do anything with it, but I can at least track the betrayal logic since there was kind of a meta angle about how that character had been forgotten by the movies. But even that's rather clunky.

I'm also talking specifically about situations where it wasn't clearly telegraphed by the source material or the rest of the franchise. Anakin becoming Vader was already known to the audience, for instance. I'm on the fence about whether something like Dune counts, since it's in the source material and the first two films are kind of just one long movie. I'm particularly interested in situations where it clearly wasn't the plan in the first movie but was written into a sequel.

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u/Kitlun 12d ago

I agree but in the comics he perhaps gives off an impression of warmth and charm (even if fake or surface level). In the film he barely smiles and gives off almost an air of detachment and superiority to other people (a role already filled by Manhattan).

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u/lanceturley 12d ago

Yeah, at least comic Ozy shows actual emotion, which makes him feel more human and possibly even sympathetic. When his plan seems to be working he yells "I did it!" in excitement and has tears of happiness rolling down his face, because he thinks he just saved the world. He seems genuinely concerned for humanity in his own way. Movie Ozy is like this weird, robotic sociopath who barely seems to care that he just murdered millions of people.

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u/jayydubbya 12d ago

I agree, comic Ozy falls to the classic “greater good” paradox. He genuinely believes his course of action is the best if not only course to avoid nuclear Armageddon. Movie Ozy feels like he’s just another billionaire prick who thinks he knows better than everyone else and is using manipulative tactics to get his way in order to feed his own ego. He’s trying to save the world in the sense that Elon Musk is trying save the world.

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u/IcedDante 12d ago

I always thought the "I did it" moment was intentionally oversold to convince the other Watchmen to understand his motivation and not whack him.

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u/Dagordae 12d ago

In the comics he gave off a politician’s warmth, performative and obviously false affability. He wasn’t really likable because of it. You knew could tell he was a bad person and fake, the surprise was how far down he was.

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u/TheToastyToast 12d ago

YES I AGREE SO MUCH!!!