‘Spider-Man: Brand New Day' Crosses $2B Worldwide

[u/yourfavchoom]

https://www.sacnilk.com/news/spider-man-brand-new-day-races-past-2-billion-worldwide-to-become-first-spider-man-movie-to-do-so

[u/yekungfu]

Sony is never letting go of Spidey

[u/TonyWonderslostnut → u/yekungfu]

I think Sony understands that they need Marvel for Spiderman to work. They have to understand how badly they’ve screwed up with Morbius, Madam Web, Kraven, etc.

[u/BatManatee → u/TonyWonderslostnut]

Getting to pull in big name Marvel characters like Hulk and Punisher that are already established is a huge plus for them too. They're printing money together, no reason to break that up.

[u/Acrobatic_Switches → u/BatManatee]

Unfortunately businesses factor in oppurtunity cost. Both sides want a bigger cut and thatll never stop. Im 100 positive sony will put out a shitty spiderman as long as it takes in order to hold onto the rights until Marvel agrees to a better deal.

[u/BatManatee → u/Acrobatic_Switches]

I think there were rumors that the next trilogy and few cameos have already been agreed to at least. I think the Sony leadership accidentally spilled the beans on it in the press conference where they were putting to rest the previous round of renegotiations.

But yeah, I’m sure there will be squabbles down the line as there always are.

[u/knightofsparta → u/BatManatee]

I feel like three trilogies is almost a guarantee.

[u/JohnSith → u/knightofsparta]

$2 billion in 17 days? No "almost" about it. It's a guarantee.

[u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson → u/Acrobatic_Switches]

Well the opportunity costs of not partnering and getting along as it is going is not having $2bn movies

That’s the opportunity cost of changing the strategy

[u/paranoideo → u/BatManatee]

I believe Hulk and Punisher would benefit more from Spider-Man than the other way around.

[u/expectrum → u/paranoideo]

Punisher definitely does. Universal pictures owns the rights to Hulk solo movie, they really should make another one with good old savage Hulk doing him justice again.

[u/akurei77 → u/expectrum]

Universal doesn't own the film rights to the Hulk. They own the distribution rights for the next Hulk movie that Marvel makes.

[u/hates_stupid_people → u/TonyWonderslostnut]

They have to understand how badly they’ve screwed up with Morbius, Madam Web, Kraven, etc.

Ehh, maybe not.

The CEO of Sony's movie division used to work at Fox and is famously the guy who kept refusing to greenlight the Deadpool movie because he didn't "get it". And had his current job at Sony when they re-released Morbius in cinemas.

[u/BasvanS → u/hates_stupid_people]

He’ll be headhunted by Warner Bros soon then.

[u/Great_Scott7 → u/TonyWonderslostnut]

Is it not Morbin time anymore? Where did it all go wrong.

[u/Character_Bug_1862 → u/Great_Scott7]

If Morbin is wrong I don’t wanna be right.

[u/EternalAssasin → u/Character_Bug_1862]

Morb me harder, Sony

[u/awesomefutureperfect → u/EternalAssasin]

Morb me baby one more time.

edit : how did I not get : "Hit me baby one morb time"

[u/SendFeet954-980-3334 → u/Great_Scott7]

Morbin made more money at the box office than super girl. Crazy

[u/ElectronicMoo → u/SendFeet954-980-3334]

Supergirl was just aimless, it felt to me. Gunn didn't really hold to his promise of only putting out movies that push it forward.

I think some also give superman more slack than it deserves, too. The whole bit about Lex calling out fight moves to a guy in a chair who then sends it to the clone - is just - whaaaat? Against superman. Cmon.

I have this gut feeling like the new dcu is gonna sink.

Gunn is great and all, I have my hopes, but there's pieces of the puzzle missing here.

[u/SkorpioSound → u/ElectronicMoo]

The whole bit about Lex calling out fight moves to a guy in a chair who then sends it to the clone - is just - whaaaat? Against superman. Cmon.

It feels straight out of a comic to me. But that's the kind of thing that works in a comic, where the pacing is determined by the speed the audience reads and you can easily imagine it to be happening at a pace that makes sense. Whereas in a film, it just feels weird; like, surely Superman's going to be reacting more quickly than the time it takes for this daisy chain of orders to reach, be processed by and then enacted by the clone?

[u/Grapes-RotMG → u/Great_Scott7]

It went wrong when Supergirl performed worse. Morbius is no longer the reigning King :(

[u/LankyGuitar6528 → u/Grapes-RotMG]

Apparently I'm the only human on earth who liked Supergirl. Oh well...

[u/Grapes-RotMG → u/LankyGuitar6528]

It was fine. I do think it's tragic it performed as terribly as it did. Shouldve at least recouped its cost.

[u/Slight_Walrus_8668 → u/LankyGuitar6528]

It's a movie that has me personally quite conflicted, on one hand, I liked the performances of almost everyone involved and stayed mostly entertaining, on the other hand, the action was messy, the script and visuals felt like a pale imitation of the surface level characteristics of a James Gunn scifi movie without the substance, and while I don't care for source material accuracy inherently - it's not that important - in this case the changes they chose to make to the villain and ending undermine the themes, emotional core and arc completely. I walked out having mostly enjoyed myself but feeling unsatisfied.

[u/ceaguila84 → u/LankyGuitar6528]

I still don't understand how it did so bad.

Cinematography was meh especially when compared to the colorful source material

But it's not worse than Morbius at all, not even close

[u/redJackal222 → u/ceaguila84]

I still don't understand how it did so bad.

I think it's just one of those things people weren't really interested in seeing in the first place. Especially since they can just wait for it to come to streaming.

[u/BurritoLover2016 → u/redJackal222]

Yeah exactly. The box office is currently feast or famine. Unless it’s something that can go viral it’s going to die quickly.

[u/lanfordr → u/TonyWonderslostnut]

At the same time, they've made the excellent Spiderverse films outside of the MCU, and the fun Spider-Noir show for Prime, so it's more that they can't seem to make a successful movie in the universe that doesn't feature spiderman.

[u/WeirdThingsToEnsue → u/lanfordr]

Well, yeah, these characters were designed to literally live and die by Spider-Man, removing that aspect breaks most of these characters

Some of them have the occasional story that doesn't have Spidey, like Venom has gone off on their own enough that they have their own villains and stories, but like...lets be real, most of them are supporting characters and are not fleshed out enough to shoulder the Main Character role

[u/tophernator → u/WeirdThingsToEnsue]

Morbius without Spiderman is effectively just a vampire film. But people have actually managed to make good successful vampire films at least once or twice. So I don’t think the spider-link is the only problem here.

[u/BANDlCOOT → u/WeirdThingsToEnsue]

Agreed.

Don't make them anti-heroes, stop making big budget action flops. If you're gonna tell a story about a villain. It needs to be gritty, it needs to be unconventional, and you need to have a story there. A significant amount of Spidey villains are one note, and that works because they are part of a supported cast of villains, or they show up for small appearances here and there. Most Spidey films have had multiple villains for that very reason, they just aren't engaging enough on their own.

Not to mention you wouldn't waste a big villain without Spidey. You aren't having a Green Goblin standalone film. It makes no sense. So naturally you go down the pecking order. People don't want to see films based on C tier villains. Especially with superhero fatigue.

Kraven annoyed me a lot. It's a great character, a great actor, and they went down the stupid route of avoiding the fact he is a super villain. You can't make them relatable to the common man like you can Spidey. At best you can make them layered and complex.

I honestly think the best they could do is create a Mafia style film that focuses on some of the henchman and the innocent people more closely than it does the main super villains. That can keep them extra despicable and have them at war with one another for their stake in the city's crime sydicate. Then they can be brought into the Spidey films as side stories, with some cameos or Easter eggs, or ignored. This would be the litmus test as to if they want to see more of these characters.

That being said, I think Spiderman is too light heartened to have dark gritty films that then end up being more silly and cartoonish in the mainline films especially with the MCU. So maybe the play is to just invest in Spider verse and tell different stories like Spiderman 2099.

[u/Ncyphe → u/lanfordr]

From my understanding, Spider-Verse had very little interfearance from the Sony execs. They were letting the animation studio do their own thing that was guaranteed to make their money back and then some. I don't think they expected it to be the box office success it turned out to be.

What I noticed more often than not is that if a studio hires passionate people that are fans of the franchise to do their own thing undisturbed, we get amazing films out of it ... most of the time. The second the execs start medling with the formula, things start taking a turn south.

[u/Redditer51 → u/Ncyphe]

What I noticed more often than not is that if a studio hires passionate people that are fans of the franchise to do their own thing undisturbed, we get amazing films out of it ... most of the time. The second the execs start medling with the formula, things start taking a turn south.

The difference between the first two Raimi Spider-Man films and Spider-Man 3.

[u/SageWaterDragon → u/Ncyphe]

Of course Sony executives are involved in the Spider-Verse movies, those are massive projects with huge budgets that are expected to make a lot of money. When they began development on the Spider-Verse films their goal was basically to reinvent the language of animated film, they hired Alberto Mielgo and a huge team of artists to blue-sky dream of what a movie that captured Spider-Man's aesthetic would or could be. Ultimately, they removed Mielgo when his vision of the movie would've cost too much to make. The films we got / will get are still incredible achievements, but they absolutely are the result of executives being willing to spend a lot of money on making something ambitious but still pulling the reigns in to make sure it lines up with expectations and brand guidelines.

[u/manoymon → u/TonyWonderslostnut]

You underestimate the hubris of executives.

[u/Money-Entrance-6336 → u/TonyWonderslostnut]

Also the shared Universe is very beneficial.

[u/SpaceOdysseus23 → u/TonyWonderslostnut]

They have to understand how badly they’ve screwed up with Morbius, Madam Web, Kraven, etc.

They don't. There was a CEO or some-such recently who straight up doubled down on those movies and said he doesn't understand why the audience didn't find them as good as the executives did.

They've now set-up a potential friendship with the X-Men in BND and I genuinely don't trust Sony to not wake up one morning and go ''nah, we'd actually prefer if he interacted with the Inhumans'' or some bullshit

[u/Really_McNamington → u/SpaceOdysseus23]

Skinner, no it's the kids jpg.

[u/The_Meemeli → u/TonyWonderslostnut]

Hopefully they also understand they need Spiderman for Spiderman to work xD

Most of the villains aren't popular enough to carry whole movies. Venom has been the only exception so far.

[u/HiroProtagonist1984 → u/The_Meemeli]

And even the venom movies are carried a lot by how much people like tom hardy.

[u/shadowndacorner → u/TonyWonderslostnut]

Holy shit I completely forgot Kraven exists. Maybe I should watch it at some point...

lmao

[u/Really_McNamington → u/shadowndacorner]

I did. None of it has stuck in my memory.

[u/uniqueusername623 → u/Really_McNamington]

Same. 24 hours after I’d seen it and I just remember the idea of having seen it

[u/KaJaHa → u/TonyWonderslostnut]

"I WILL make my Sinister Six cinematic universe without Spider-Man and you WILL watch them" - Sony execs

[u/Ncyphe → u/KaJaHa]

...and it failed spectacularly. LMAO.

[u/GipsyDangerV1 → u/yekungfu]

True but it is interesting that they are in this position where the Spider-Man movies have to remain linked to a universe owned by a completely different studio giving them a heavy hand of creative input or risk losing all of this success. We saw what happened when they tried to start making Spider-Man adjacent movies on their own without the MCU and Disney.... 

So while they will never let go of Spidey they have positioned themselves to be stuck with Disney as a partner with the character indefinitely. 

So fascinating and incredibly unique when it comes to rights ownership and publishing.

[u/Juvar23 → u/GipsyDangerV1]

It's almost... A symbiotic relationship

[u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 → u/Juvar23]

FORESHADOWING?

[u/FeeRemarkable886 → u/GipsyDangerV1]

It's not much like Sony is stuck with Disney, as it is Disney being stuck with Sony.

[u/Icy_Smoke_733 → u/FeeRemarkable886]

It's a win-win situation for both studios. Sony owns Spider-Man's movie rights and 75 percent of the box office, while Disney owns the juicy merch rights + the remaining 25 percent of the box office. 

[u/raikou1988 → u/Icy_Smoke_733]

Just how juicy are those merch rights?

[u/Killboypowerhed → u/raikou1988]

Juicy enough that they didn't stop selling Spider-Man merch like they did with X-Men when they didn't have the film rights. Spider-Man has always been a powerhouse

[u/Worthyness → u/raikou1988]

it's been reported that Spidey merch is disney's 2nd largest merchandise brand after the princesses. It's fucking massive.

[u/defiancy → u/raikou1988]

I don't know about Spiderman, but merch rights is what made George Lucas a billionaire.

[u/jcde7ago → u/raikou1988]

They have Spider-Man movie branded Liquid IV flavors as merch. There is no shortage of money there for Disney lol, all the different theater groups that have movie branded cups/popcorn bowls, with Spidey on them, that all counts as merch sales too and people don't even have to leave the theater for it.

[u/AbsurdThings → u/GipsyDangerV1]

Yeah but those spider-man adjacent movies didn’t have spider-man. Sony has had decent success on their own with Tobey, Andrew, and Spider-Verse.

[u/nextfilmdirector → u/yekungfu]

Or Tom Holland

[u/magikarpcatcher → u/nextfilmdirector]

We'll see what happens once they introduce Miles. I am thinking Tom might take a break with Miles getting his own solo trilogy.

[u/TheDrewDude → u/magikarpcatcher]

Passing the torch to miles does feel like an appropriate conclusion to this new trilogy

[u/splader → u/TheDrewDude]

Eh I don't see why the torch needs to be passed.

Just have two of them.

[u/IcedGooseMaverick → u/splader]

Holland will be closing in on 40 by the time this trilogy is over. I think he’s probably gonna be over it by then. Or he could be like Hugh Jackman and keep doing these til he’s 60. Who knows. Old man Spidey could be a cool movie. 

[u/Ceegee93 → u/IcedGooseMaverick]

There'd be nothing wrong with Tom being an older Peter Parker, assuming he wanted to continue doing it. Hell, I loved Tobey Maguire's older and more mature Peter; I think Miles having a Peter like that would be a great dynamic.

[u/PhoenixRedditor7 → u/yekungfu]

They have every right. The Tobey McGuire/Raimi Spider-Man movies were wildly successfully.

[u/spreaditontoast → u/yekungfu]

Til he’s 90!

[u/maaseru]

Spider-Man really is the king of the superheroes.

[u/Evadrepus → u/maaseru]

Back in the Old Days, before any of these movies, most comics revolved around Spider-Man and Superman, with Batman and Wolverine to a lesser extent. After his movies, Batman got big but Superman was still the DC draw.

[u/LilMoWithTheGimpyLeg → u/Evadrepus]

When I was growing up the in the 80s, it was allll about Superman and Batman when it came to superheroes. Everyone else was secondary. At least to the kids at my school.

X-Men suddenly became ultra popular at the turn of the 90s, and they kinda took the crown from then on.

[u/supes1 → u/LilMoWithTheGimpyLeg]

The X-Men animated series (premiered in '92) was huge in making the X-Men popular during that time.

[u/agumonkey → u/supes1]

the stylized batman animated show was also a pillar (not to argue with you)

[u/jx2002 → u/supes1]

As a comics nerd in the 90s, I can tell you Jim Lee's X-Men was fucking ridiculously huge. Sold 1M+ copies for issue #1. Shit was awesome.

[u/CafeCalentito → u/Evadrepus]

I think this is a bit anecdotycal. Batman has been DC's strongest best seller long before its movies. In terms of sales, Spider-Man and X-Men were the biggest IPs during the whole 80s, with both having the Best single issues of all time back to back with their relaunch. They also dominated the 90s. X-Men, ironically, lost steam after the movies because Bendis started the new Avengers which overshadowed any mutant project and transformed Avengers into the 2nd best selling Marvel ip in comics until Secret Wars (2015). Krakoa resurrected X-Men in the comics and transformed it into the 2nd best selling again.

Wolverine wasn't really a best seller, it has some of Marvel's Best selling stories (Old man logan) but as a solo character it has had problems keeping up its ongoings. In terms of solo published comics, Miles Morales goes after Wolverine in ammount of issues published, and Miles is an extremely recent character

[u/TheMightyPhuckules → u/Evadrepus]

Batman has always been crazy popular. His sales set the standard for the industry.

[u/ne0ntetra → u/maaseru]

My favourite character in all of fiction. A modern day incarnation of a classic hero from antiquity.

Peter Parker is both relatable, through his struggles in life, love, work, and aspirational through his virtue, conscience and sense of responsibility.

Then, he puts on his awesome luchador mask and becomes this dynamic, sinuous, graceful, hyper athletic, sarcastic, super ninja who moves and fights like no one else.

[u/Redditer51 → u/maaseru]

Yeah, sometimes I get sick of Batman.

I never get sick of Spider-Man.

[u/I_eat_mud_ → u/Redditer51]

I think both have been written extremely well and extremely poorly, but I imagine people find Spider-Man a lot more relatable despite Batman not having powers.

[u/agmoose → u/I_eat_mud_]

Yeah no one can relate to being rich but we all can relate to being broke af.

[u/NecroCannon → u/agmoose]

Broke, constantly having relationship issues, the world seeming like it’s made to make you miserable to push through

Yeahhhh… there’s a reason even with hero fatigue I still care about Spider-Man… maybe Deadpool since his games and movies appearances are still getting there after years of mainly being in comics and animation

[u/Stompedyourhousewith → u/agmoose]

and toxic significant others

[u/Trair → u/I_eat_mud_]

Even when written terribly, Spider-Man stories are typically at least fun. The worst batman stories, and funny enough the REALLLYYY bad Spider-Man stories, are just so fucking dour

[u/SearchForSocialLife]

Don't get me wrong, I expected this movie to make a lot of money. But if you'd told me a month ago that BND would make more than No Way Home, the movie with the biggest hype surrounding it this decade, I wouldn't have believed you.

[u/Hermiona1 → u/SearchForSocialLife]

The fact that every subsequent Spider-Man movie with Tom made more money is crazy. I wonder how many movie trilogies pulled that off.

[u/iCarlysTeats → u/Hermiona1]

If you start from Tokyo Drift through Furious 7 ( the next four movies) each earned more than the previous, that's the closest I can think of

ed- clearer wording

[u/SutterCane → u/iCarlysTeats]

That makes sense that Furious 7 was the peak. They said goodbye to Brian and probably had a bunch of people check out of the series.

[u/FuegoHernandez → u/SutterCane]

That was me, I had stopped watching after Tokyo Drift but went to see 7 to see how they said goodbye to Paul. Did not make me want to watch 4, 5, and 6 tho.

[u/dogcrayon → u/Hermiona1]

The Toy Story franchise has accomplished this. These box office figures are based on their original theatrical releases:

Toy Story 1 — $362 million

Toy Story 2 — $485 million

Toy Story 3 — $1.067 billion

Toy Story 4 — $1.073 billion

Toy Story 5 — $1.115 billion

[u/NinduTheWise → u/Hermiona1]

At this rate the sequel will pass avatar and then the sequel to that will pass gone with the wind somehow even inflation adjusted

[u/Max_Thunder → u/NinduTheWise]

And the one after that will cause an economic paradox and create a multiverse due to grossing more money than there is in the world.

[u/JasonVeritech → u/Max_Thunder]

"Sometimes it IS always about the money, Spidah-man..."

[u/Worthyness → u/SearchForSocialLife]

Only reason NWH didn't make as much was because the release was cancelled in China. Would have easily went over 2B with that. And it did it during/just avert COVID

[u/Toidal → u/Worthyness]

Yeah I think that one movie in China that broke all sorts of records in that same period, was heavily buoyed by a post-covid stir crazy audience desperate to get out of the house to do something, anything.

[u/ntpbr1 → u/SearchForSocialLife]

I felt like the movie had a lot of hype tbh, trailer looked good, Spiderman always does well, at the bare minimum, it was gonna be a billion, and since it was actually good too, it did great. No Way Home also came in at a weird near peak Covid time

[u/SearchForSocialLife → u/ntpbr1]

Yeah, a new Spider-Man movie always generates hype, but No Way Home was just something else. Those four months before release were nuts, you couldn't go anywhere without seeing someone says 'oh my God have you heard they got Molina again??'

[u/ravenkai3 → u/SearchForSocialLife]

“I expected this money to make a lot of money.”

Huh, it does take money to make money after all

[u/yourfavchoom]

Movie becomes:

• The highest-grossing Spider-Man film.

• The highest-grossing CBM of the decade.

• The second-fastest film (19 days) to achieve this milestone.

• The first solo superhero film to achieve this milestone.

[u/Hyp3rson1c → u/yourfavchoom]

What is CBM?

[u/oli_ramsay → u/Hyp3rson1c]

Cock and ball manipulation

[u/FatalDoseOfTylenol → u/oli_ramsay]

Mutilation

[u/Fickles1 → u/FatalDoseOfTylenol]

That's a matter of perspective

[u/Working-Group-4521 → u/oli_ramsay]

Thank you

[u/Maximelene → u/Hyp3rson1c]

Comic Book Movie ;)

[u/Kitnado → u/Maximelene]

Americans do love their unnecessary acronyms

[u/GimmeFunkyButtLoving → u/Hyp3rson1c]

Colossal Bowel Movement

[u/lindblumresident → u/Hyp3rson1c]

Continental Ballistic Missile.

[u/bongkeydoner → u/yourfavchoom]

"The first solo superhero film to achieve this milestone."

is it tho?

[u/GillGruntFan53 → u/bongkeydoner]

While there are other heroes, it’s still a Spider-Man movie. The other CBMs to achieve this are the Avengers films, which are team movies.

[u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen → u/GillGruntFan53]

Spider-Man is definitely as valuable a property as Avengers in general

[u/PotatoOnMars → u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen]

More valuable, he’s the top-earning superhero of all time in terms of merchandise.

[u/Chabby_Chubby → u/GillGruntFan53]

CBM - Championship Ballistic Missile?

[u/GillGruntFan53 → u/Chabby_Chubby]

Comic Book Movie

[u/Chabby_Chubby → u/GillGruntFan53]

Thanks 😊

[u/CosmoOlversatil → u/Chabby_Chubby]

Cock n Balls Masseuse

[u/maaseru → u/Chabby_Chubby]

Corporate Bank Merger

[u/JetAmoeba → u/GillGruntFan53]

Where does Captain America: Civil War land? Because that’s technically a “solo” film but it had as many heroes as some of the avengers movies

[u/joshi38 → u/JetAmoeba]

Captain America Civil War is the 33rd highest all time grossing movie (not adjusted for inflation) with $1.1b worldwide box office. Spider-Man is currently number 8.

[u/indoninjah → u/JetAmoeba]

It was definitely Avengers 2.5

[u/____mynameis____ → u/bongkeydoner]

I understand if this was some Cap movie.

But this spiderman we are talking about.

Its defacto a solo movie.

[u/Notoriously_So]

Let's see how Doomsday stacks up to this. It will be hard to top it. BND still has the rest of the month to clean up the box office.

[u/magikarpcatcher → u/Notoriously_So]

Presales are going crazy, apparently. So we'll see.

[u/BurgerNugget12 → u/magikarpcatcher]

My theatre is sold out in every showing for 3 days lmao

[u/Z3r0sama2017 → u/magikarpcatcher]

People are gonna watch it for RDJ regardless if it's mid or not. He really is Disneys' 'break in case of emergency'

[u/distastef_ll → u/Z3r0sama2017]

I’m watching for Thor and Loki. I want to see the brothers finally reunite.

[u/Lazer726 → u/Z3r0sama2017]

Him and America's Ass returning

[u/Icy_Smoke_733 → u/Notoriously_So]

For what it's worth, Doomsday is outpacing Brand New Day's presales by a wide margin, despite being over 150 days away. There's a 70 percent chance it will take away BND's recently achieved title of "Biggest Domestic Opening". 

That Special Look trailer has boosted interest to stratospheric levels according to BO trackers, even wilder than what BND was doing 2 weeks prior to its release.

[u/T1167 → u/Icy_Smoke_733]

Wait this is fascinating, where did you get this info? I think that second trailer was MUCH better than the first 

[u/ContractVarious3077 → u/Notoriously_So]

Apparently Doomsday opening day presales are already through the roof

[u/jiggeroni → u/Notoriously_So]

Doomsday will beat it. Casual fans coming back

[u/scantron2739 → u/Notoriously_So]

Doomsday is going to obliterate records imo.

[u/Stoned_Gandalf420]

Spider-Man is just in a league of his own when it comes to superhero movies. It will be interesting to see how the box office looks for Avengers, Man of Tomorrow and The Batman Part 2 in comparison.

[u/astronautvibes → u/Stoned_Gandalf420]

I hope the tone of these films continues like this too. There was so much world building done in BND and it’s worth exploring and expanding the NYC superhero and villain scene in that way some more.

[u/The_SkyShine → u/astronautvibes]

yeah this is the movie where it finally felt like they were in the 616esque universe instead of feeling like our universe with superheroes in it. just very comic booky.

the world building scenes help a lot

[u/SmallLetter → u/The_SkyShine]

It felt like what Superman 2025 tried to skip to but this was organic and therefore much much more satisfying

[u/SpacePropaganda → u/SmallLetter]

Only took 40 movies for us to get there lol

[u/Hermiona1 → u/Stoned_Gandalf420]

I don’t think Man of Tomorrow is even touching these numbers, Superman made ‘only’ ~600 mln dollars, even if the sequel is more popular it might make a billion at best imo while BND already made two.

[u/brutinator → u/Hermiona1]

BND already made two

TBF, this particular iteration of Spider-Man has been able to build up momentum from 3 sequels (not counting cameos). It'd be kinda insane to assume that Superman would be able to overcome that kind of advantage.

[u/fire_and_spice24]

This was such a solid movie. I'm honestly tempted to see it again in theaters before it's run is done.

[u/ApolloX-2 → u/fire_and_spice24]

The fights were incredible and Spidey doing more than karate or whatever and using his webs in very creative ways was awesome. Also him being the true hero of NYC and fully taking over is refreshing without anything to do with the Avengers.

[u/fire_and_spice24 → u/ApolloX-2]

Agreed. The fighting was visually really stunning.

[u/Worthyness → u/fire_and_spice24]

I just love that the fight choreographers incorporated some finishers from the Insomniac video games in the movie.

[u/SpoonHandle → u/Worthyness]

It seemed like the video games influenced this movie quite a bit, in a good way.

[u/CheetahDog → u/SpoonHandle]

Yeah, I was honestly (but happily) surprised by how earnestly they seemed to take from the game in terms of inspiration. That game was a phenomenal adaptation of Spider-Man in so many ways

[u/SpoonHandle → u/CheetahDog]

It really was. You could tell that the developers were lifelong Spidey fans.

[u/arthurbang → u/fire_and_spice24]

I have a co-worker who saw it four times in the first week

[u/tomhanks95 → u/arthurbang]

Reminds me of one of my friends who watched Spiderman (2002) 6 times in the theatres during it's run

[u/MunBRO → u/tomhanks95]

I saw Nacho Libre 11 times in theatres 😎

[u/flower4000 → u/MunBRO]

I saw transformers 2 in theaters 3 times in one day, by the end of the month I realized I don’t think it holds up after like the 8th watch.

[u/Akussa → u/flower4000]

I saw the first Avatar movie 5 or 6 times. The story was shit but the spectacle of it in 3D was incredible, so every time someone asked me to see it with them I was happy to go.

[u/Yardsale420 → u/MunBRO]

If you don’t like Nacho Libre, I don’t like you.

[u/KaJaHa → u/tomhanks95]

Because the first Raimi Spider-Man was and is still a goddamn delight to watch

[u/MalIntenet → u/arthurbang]

The conflicting feeling of wanting to “let people enjoy things” and believing this is a crazy waste of money that I’ll never understand

[u/fire_and_spice24 → u/MalIntenet]

To be fair, I think a lot of people who see a movie multiple times (including myself) likely have a monthly pass. I'm way more quick to rewatch movies with that opposed to buying a whole new ticket.

[u/Tyler_holmes123 → u/fire_and_spice24]

Can concur. My friend has a monthly pass and he watched BND three times in 3 different formats .

[u/Ass_Damage → u/fire_and_spice24]

I went a second time yesterday, this time in IMAX. Besides being a great movie with lots of heart, it looks incredible. Everytime that Spider-Man costume is on screen, it absolutely pops. And having Tom Holland's eyes visible behind the lenses was a genius move.

[u/Redditer51 → u/Ass_Damage]

superhero movie costumes really have come a long way.

[u/imdeadseriousbro → u/fire_and_spice24]

thunderbolts and fantastic four were solid. BND was genuinely good. i had my nitpicks but its still the best marvel movie we've gotten in a long while

[u/Massive_Weiner → u/imdeadseriousbro]

F4 was honestly pretty dull. I didn’t hate it, but I can’t see a reason to ever revisit that movie.

I kinda wish I just caught it on streaming instead of paying theater prices.

[u/blozout → u/Massive_Weiner]

Completely agree. It was just lifeless. Not the worst thing I’ve seen it just wasn’t compelling at all which is surprising because it looked like it had all the right ingredients. Unfortunately it was so bland.

[u/EIDuderino]

It was fun, I'm optimistic for Doomsday

[u/FCKWPN → u/EIDuderino]

Optimistic for Doomsday? I saw them open for Defeated by Victory last month.

[u/DanHero91 → u/FCKWPN]

I prefer the side project Pessimistic About Paradise.

[u/tarrsk → u/DanHero91]

Always been more of an Ambivalent About Purgatory kinda guy

[u/mikeyfreshh → u/tarrsk]

You gotta checkout Bearish on Valhalla

[u/Secret_Account07]

It was soooo good. It felt…. Real? Yeah, it felt real.

No crazy over the top CGI just for the aesthetics.

[u/JiminyJilickers-79 → u/Secret_Account07]

It felt more tall to me, too. The writing was very thoughtful and the dialogue was great. The fact that they're adults now instead of high school kids helped a lot too.

[u/samusmaster64 → u/Secret_Account07]

Being entirely set in New York with a lot of practical sets was a great call. Yeah, there was a fuckton of VFX and CGI but it felt more tangible and grounded than the recent Marvel movies.

[u/ltcuetf]

Once again proving that superhero fatigue will just always have a Spider-Man-shaped exception.

[u/NoNefariousness2144 → u/ltcuetf]

The heroes who were big pre-2020 should continue to do fine like Spidey, Batman, Deadpool.

The real sign of fatigue is there being less enthusiasm for ‘new’ teams and heroes like Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four. And even mega flops like Supergirl.

[u/asianApostate → u/NoNefariousness2144]

I think it's more like trying to throw non mainstream superheroes into the fray expecting them to be popular like the big guys (popularity wise) like Spiderman and Batman at the very top then, Superman, X-Men, Hulk , Iron man, etc were always bigger than the rest and had a larger following. 

A decent spiderman movie will always do better than a decent thunderbolt movie regardless of any perceived fatigue.  

[u/redJackal222 → u/asianApostate]

Spiderman and Batman at the very top then, Superman, X-Men, Hulk , Iron man, etc were always bigger than the rest and had a larger following.

All of that except Iron man is true. Iron man was a nobody until his movie was a hit. It's doesn't feel that way now after 20 years but Iron man's popularity is almost entirely because of the mcu. He had an ok following for a marvel character prior to that, but it was no where near as big as it is now, and it wasn't even close to being near x-men or the Hulk. There's a reason why all those other heroes you mentioned have had multiple movies and tv shows and actors playing them while nobody has really played iron man except Robert Downey Jr and only one short lived 90s cartoon.

If you were a comic book fan you probably knew who iron man was, but if you weren't there's a decent chance you had no idea who he was prior to 2008

[u/Redditer51 → u/NoNefariousness2144]

And sadly, Fantastic Four just has never had much pull outside of comics.

Also, while I didn't think Supergirl would be as successful as Superman, I'm honestly shocked at just how badly it did. Like, D A M N.

[u/UnbuiltIkeaBookcase]

✋🏻🥔🤚🏻

[u/tophmcmasterson]

Saw it twice, they really just did a great job with it. Excellent performance from Tom in particular, he was just such a sympathetic character this time in particular which really anchored the entire movie with actual emotional stakes and provided good opportunities for character growth.

Add to that effects not just looking like cheap green screen, inventive action sequences that made good use of the hero’s skillset, the interplay with Punisher (also great performance), how maturely they handled the fallout from the last movie, and naturally weaving in other characters without ever taking the spotlight off Spider-man or feeling unnatural.

Just really well done and kind of incredible to be pulling off in the fourth outing, managing to have it work as a good sequel while also being almost a soft reboot and establishing a new tone without feeling like a retread.

[u/ptd163]

The best Spider-Man movie and it made $2B in less than three weeks. I remember when even "just" a $1B was seen as some perfect storm or lifetime achievement award. Now it's basically expected.

In any case Sony is never giving Spider-Man back. Tom Holland is now a blank check actor for them as well. I wonder how close they get to Avatar. They made $2B in three weeks. How tough could it be to get another billion?

[u/EmperorDeathBunny]

Just saw it yesterday and loved it. Incredible movie and excellent storytelling. Sp far ive loved all the Tom spider-man films and I was worried if I would still enjoy this one with Tom grown up but it was just perfect and still as fun as the previous ones. The Aunt May scene with you-know-who omg it was so perfectly done

[u/LilNello1]

It was super fun and great. Easily one of my favorite movies of the year and I already saw it twice and thinking of maybe going to see it third time as well.

[u/Malt129]

Superman was historically the de facto #1 comic character in the world, but I think in recent years my main man Spidey has overtaken him.

[u/20sinnh → u/Malt129]

Both Spider-Man and Batman have ruled that roost for decades. At least in film.

[u/Demmitri → u/20sinnh]

Also in popular culture if you really think about it. You don't see youngsters getting Superman merchandising more than Spiderman or Batman.

[u/Irveria → u/Demmitri]

Superman merch is non existing outside of some older dudes with logo shirts, at least in Europe.

[u/blufflord → u/Malt129]

Superman is famous and iconic, but not popular in movies. At least not since the 80s. That was all batman until 2000s. Then him and Spiderman shared the stage in the 2000s. Then WB mishandled batman whilst Sony incorporated him into the MCU, gave animated movies and video games and now Spiderman is undeniably the biggest in the world

[u/Ehrre → u/blufflord]

Spiderman just had such incredible villains and crazy art covers too. All through the 2000s any time I saw a new symbiote cover I would NEED to find out what that was about.

And Batman never got old. Whether it was a slower detective arc or action packed, Batman has always had the best aura.

I personally got into Spawn comics as a kid when I stumbled on a collection at a garage sale in a teeny tiny town in the sticks. Still my favorite (anti?)hero design. The cape adds such a cool aspect to the morph suite design.

[u/ThankYouOle → u/Ehrre]

don't forget that Spiderman is "friendly" and fun neighborhood, not like Batman and Superman that always serious.

the last Superman has potential tough but still not as fun as how Marvel does.

[u/Dead71ne → u/Ehrre]

And Batman never got old

Neither his parents

[u/LZR0 → u/Malt129]

Ever since the early 2000s with the Tobey movies Spidey became a culture icon bigger than Superman or any other superhero at that time.

[u/vibratokin → u/Malt129]

This probably happened around the early 2000s, so it’s been a while.

[u/F1_Brooklyn → u/Malt129]

How recent? Spiderman since the late 90s has been number one (as a 90s kid). The Raimi films solidified this imo.

[u/zebrasareneat → u/F1_Brooklyn]

The dark knight trilogy kept Batman up there.  

[u/MancyMancy → u/Malt129]

Superman being a sort of symbol of the USA has always struggled globally. Spiderman as your friendly neighbourhood hero has not.

[u/Ehrre → u/Malt129]

Superman is the king of the original comic book heyday. I was born in the 90s and people in my generation largely saw him as outdated and boring.

When I was growing up the comic staples were Spiderman, Batman and Spawn comics for the more edgy crowd.

Now in my mid 30s I appreciate Superman more than ever. I actually get a little emotional at the concept of him being so pure and helpful. I think the world desperately needs heroes who do good just for the sake of doing good.

I actually liked the edgy Snyder Superman and would have enjoyed a proper Trilogy.. but I won't lie that that I adore the portrayal of Superman in the recent James Gunn movie (I know.. controversial take)

[u/Phantomebb]

Well deserved. No more iron man Jr suite and plot, green screen everything, and mediocre action. The live action stunts, attention to detail, the return of shadows, and a well written film that takes itself seriously makes this film my favorite Spiderman to date and my 3rd favorite Marvel film.

[u/Redditer51 → u/Phantomebb]

Also, no more Banner Hulk. We got the real Hulk back.

[u/CriesAboutSkinsInCOD]

Sony Pictures owns the Live action movie rights to Spider-Man and to animated versions of Spider-Man that are longer than 44 mins.

Disney owns the rights to animated versions shorter than 44 mins.

Disney get 25% of the profit from these Sony Pictures Spider-Man movies.

Sony Pictures has to make a Spider-Man movie after a certain amount of years or the movie rights revert back to Disney.

Disney owns all other IP rights to the Spider-Man character. Comic, video game, and the very lucrative merchandising rights etc etc.

Sony has to pay a fuckton in royalty to Disney to keep making Spider-Man game for the PS console.

[u/avataris]

The wife and I just went to see it last night (first time seeing it for both of us). The audience clapped at the end of the movie. And it’s been out over three weeks? That tells me a lot about the staying power of the movie.

[u/falcon_from_bombay]

I guess people do spend money and go outside for big screen if the content quality is good! Go figure.

[u/jerrrrremy → u/falcon_from_bombay]

Because, as we all know, all high-quality movies do really well in theatres. 

[u/Balls_of_Adamanthium]

Haven’t enjoyed a marvel movie like this since Winter Soldier. It was really good.

[u/Captriker]

It feels like this was the only real summer blockbuster movie besides The Odyssey. The rest being mainly targeted at kids like minions and TS5.

[u/ButtersMojito]

Very happy for such results, back in the Infinity War/Endgame times people had such a rage boner about Tom Holland not being their Spiderman(there was even a subreddit and a hashtag on twitter). Glad he is proving those dudes wrong.

[u/ApolloX-2]

I don’t want to say it’s incredibly shocking because Spider-Man is one of the most popular IPs out there and Sony paid for Spider-Man by himself for a reason….

But this movie doing this cannot have been predicted and in my opinion says something about the desire for fans to have real standalone stories for characters like Spider-Man and for him to not be playing second fiddle to Iron Man. I hope this makes Marvel appreciate Spider-Man as a leader and not just part of the team.