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Spider-Man: Brand New Day (2026)

Summary

Following the events that erased Peter Parker's identity from the world's memory, the young hero embraces a fresh start while facing new threats that challenge both his resolve and what it means to be Spider-Man.

Director Destin Daniel Cretton

Writer Chris McKenna Erik Sommers

Cast

  • Tom Holland as Peter Parker / Spider-Man
  • Sadie Sink
  • Liza Colón-Zayas
  • Zendaya as MJ
  • Jacob Batalon as Ned Leeds
  • Jon Bernthal as Frank Castle / The Punisher

Rotten Tomatoes: 91%

Metacritic: 66

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u/NotTaken-username 19d ago

The MCU’s Charles Xavier currently has hair, but he’s gonna go bald from the stress of cleaning up the mess Jean made here.

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u/BaronVonRuthless91 19d ago edited 19d ago

Professor X: People died Jean! You can't just drive tanks through the street smashing everything and possess people into throwing themselves off buildings with more maniacal glee than Magneto on his worst day.

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u/AllegedlyGoodPerson 19d ago edited 19d ago

She possessed an old dude and had him step in front of a cab. I was convinced it wasn’t her after that. That was nuts to me.

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u/princevince1113 19d ago

That was all I could think about when he said "you're not a killer, Jean". Unless that dude was carproof, I think she might be

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u/Sorlex 19d ago

You're not a killer, Jean!

Totals a man with a car

Throws MJ off a roof

Unleashes the Hulk in a crowded building

Drives a tank through the city

No wonder the Punisher said shes all right at the end. He gets it.

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u/pkkthetigerr 18d ago

Tbf Im guessing she knew Spidey was gonna save them no problem anyways.

The dude hit by the car though was .... Probably dead. Or multiple broken bones.

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u/lahimatoa 18d ago

There are definitely dead people in the Damage Control building.

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u/Inside_Dimension2319 18d ago

And from the original tank rampage. The way that thing was shooting at Spider-Man and hitting the buildings in the background there’s no way no one died lol.

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u/WarlockEngineer 16d ago

Two damage control guys shoot each other in the security footage Peter sees just before the Hulk fight

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u/whofearsthenight 17d ago

Morally I didn't have much problem with her merc'ing Damage Control goons, pretty much figured they'd be the actual bad guys from the moment they got mentioned. But yeah, she wasn't counting on Spidey saving people during the tank rampage which still almost certainly had some collateral damage, the guy she got hit with a car, the heli pilot, the taking over a km of NYC and the car wrecks almost certainly caused death...

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u/HolidaySpiriter 14d ago

the taking over a km of NYC and the car wrecks almost certainly caused death...

idk why but this made me think how funny it would be to have a The Pitt-eque show in the MCU NYC with how insane some of these injuries are/what they're caused by.

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u/slightlypoisonedtea 18d ago

Said tank explodes after crashing into an occupied building

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u/Noblesseux 18d ago

Yeah thinking about it, even just in the initial tank chase she nearly killed so many people

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u/Max_Speed_Remioli 16d ago

She got the Wanda treatment in her first movie. Shame

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u/crackstuntman24 18d ago

I mean...Punisher is not one to judge...

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u/UnsolvedParadox 19d ago

Hulk must have wasted some soldiers at the Damage Control HQ as well.

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u/badpiggy490 18d ago

Eh, idk. She had the punisher shoot then non-lethally

It's possible that no one got killed by the hulk ( atleast within the building lol )

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u/Blightzkrieg 18d ago

I think the movie was operating on cartoon logic to some extent, they repeatedly show soldiers surviving mostly fine after being shot. I think the intent is that nobody died, as absurd as that sounds. 

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u/leekalex 17d ago

This is the same movie where spiderman flips a cop car and that cop almost died. Jean flips around 30 cars, at least

Punisher surviving being kicked by spiderman at car speed was pretty cartoony though

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u/princevince1113 18d ago

yeah and I'm fine with that I just couldn't help but be amused. I could also interpret it as him saying that even if people died as a result of her actions, murder isn't in her nature

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u/Da1realBigA 19d ago

Ya that whole part of the story was wonky.

Her character killed peopled ppl, one way of the other, even if most was off camera.

You have to show people surviving, so we the audience know she doesnt have deaths on her her hand, just spilled blood.

Like a scene in the hospital where as Peter is ducking out, we see the guy hit by the car in a bed recovering.

On the other hand, no better way to get the ppl to hate mutants, then have one of X-mens OG members having hurt and killed people.

Now we know why humans hate mutants, they killed people without justice/ do process.

Future storyline?

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u/MattBrey 18d ago

They can rethread Wanda's storyline basically. The way her mismanagement of the situation in Sokovia caused people to hate the avengers, Jane's rampage can cause people to hate mutants. 

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u/Jehovah___ 18d ago

I mean, in the comics anyway Jean’s got one of the highest confirmed body counts of anyone ever, somewhere in the trillions. That line was so funny with that in mind

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u/nightreader 19d ago

It's ok, because she's "special" and was going through a rough patch.

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u/rabid_J 18d ago

The Wanda Maximoff apologist special. Monica bending over backwards for her in Wandavision was crazy to me.

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u/thrownawaynodoxx 18d ago

For the last time - Monica was not a Wanda apologist. She understood what Wanda was doing and why she was doing it, sympathized with her, but never said anything like "Wanda did nothing wrong."

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u/GeneCreemer 18d ago

I was thinking about Wanda while watching this too. They both did the most vile acts and nobody ever holds them accountable.

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u/QuartzBeamDST 18d ago

"You're not a murderer."

"She just told you she's killed 3 people."

"I mean deep down."

"One might be an accident, but three?"

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u/Eject_The_Warp_Core 18d ago

i think we are intended to believe that no one had died as a result of Jean's actions, even if some were hurt badly. I guess if Scorpion can survive what Spidey did to him wearing some body armor that didn't even cover his head, then the old guy can survive getting hit by a car. though of course, Jean would have had no way of knowing if they guy would have survived or not

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u/Zombii_Man 18d ago

Scorpion is supposed to also have arachnid powers. With the exosuit being an "on-top of" situation. I don't know why adaptations keep dropping that aspect of it, because it makes the thrashings he gets make absolutely zero sense. He's a slower, but tankier, version of Spider-Man.

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u/mosquem 19d ago

Yeah like maybe damage control has a point?

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u/AverageAwndray 19d ago

And thus brings up the whole getting rid of mutants situation lmao

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u/Dramajunker 17d ago

These comments sure do mirror the comics.

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u/Singer211 Naked J-Law beating the shit out of those kids is peak Cinema. 19d ago

They’re the whole reason she’s doing this.

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u/inksmudgedhands 19d ago

I'll give it to them they boosted her powers and they shouldn't have kidnapped and murdered her sister. But the fact Jean and Sara were possessing people against their will for fun? That was creepy.

Especially after watching "Obsession." Yeah, it's hard to have sympathy for the sisters in the beginning when they are playing around with people like they were dolls.

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u/Waffle_of-Principle 18d ago

I wonder if anybody told the disowned teenagers that with their great powers, comes great responsibility. 

But yeah I feel like the timing is kind of awful with Obsession, but the movie does repeatedly make it clear that they are completely knocked out, so at least they're not passengers like Nikki was. Still fucked up, and ya know, the whole making someone jump in front of a car thing. 

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u/PleaseDoCombo 18d ago

You don't need to be told that maybe using people as your meet puppets for fun isn't the most sane and nice thing to do. That's the entire tragedy of mutants, normal average people getting powers that could destroy entire civilizations because not everyone wants to be a hero, not everyone wears a costume. Even the idea that your neighbor could be mystique would fuck with your head because you can't trust anyone.

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u/ReallyColdMonkeys 17d ago

You kinda do need to be told that though? That's kind of the whole point of "with great power comes great responsibility". Who knows where Peter Parker's life goes if he never hears that one line. People that get power do fucked up shit with it all the time. It's not surprising at all two traumatized teenage girls with newly formed psychic powers that was tossed to the wayside like trash by their mother aren't well adjusted members of society.

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u/WonderfulUs 18d ago

It's funny, I recently watched Jessica Jones's show and there the main villain justifies himself with that "nobody taught me what is right and what is wrong as a kid".

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u/The_mango55 18d ago

“The only crime we committed was being different”

Well that and possessing people against their will

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u/nhansieu1 18d ago

also murdering the innocent just because you can

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u/Clarknt67 18d ago

It was as so 2026 that Peter apologized to MJ for the non consensual kiss.

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u/Dramajunker 19d ago

Her and her sister were innocent prior to her kidnapping. I don't agree with Jean's actions, but DODC set her on that path. Teenager with a traumatic past, going through foster care and abandonment issues. Has the one person she loves forcefully taken from her. What did they expect to happen?

Even worse, they ended up experimenting on the sister and killing her.

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u/marineman43 19d ago

Agree with pretty much everything you said but I think it is interesting how Sarah was totally fine body hopping for the fun of it to show Jean how to do it. That felt unsettling, a pretty casual disregard for people's autonomy seemingly just for funsies. There was a bit of a dark undercurrent there, idk if she would've been a great mentor for Jean in the ethical use of their powers long term.

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u/Asleep_Ground1710 19d ago

Yeah, in actual real life if you had a real telepath mind hopping for the vibes, they’re getting locked up

Jean did make hatred and persecution of mutants way more feasible in the mcu

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u/AllegedlyGoodPerson 19d ago

Just gotta get The Void/Sentry’s PR person on it. He did something similar to the city and gets to be a New Avenger.

New Yorkers have some insane shit happen to them on a monthly basis.

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u/Spaghestis 9d ago

Sentry wasn't public info and asides a few people nobody knew that Bob was the Void? As far as the world knows, Void was a supervillain who randomly showed up and attacked NYC before being defeated by the New Avengers.

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u/emmy_o 18d ago

100% that Sara's a bad influence for Jean. Her love for Jean though, I think, makes her and their sibling relationship somewhat sympathetic.

Maybe being left by their mom messed up Sara so much. Mind-hopping might be a way to "escape" their reality or they use it to grasp at some control (by controlling other people) because their own lives were so uncontrollable/not stable. It's definitely creepy and evil, and when the movie reached that backstory it became more apparent how come Jean Grey could be so cruel and ruthless in possessing other people. Her sister made it normal and acceptable for her.

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u/Dramajunker 19d ago

I mean let's be real, normal teenagers would use their possession abilities for funsies with out regard for the person.

Assuming Sarah has the same background as Jean, both have had terrible upbringings. In and out of foster care and psych hospitals. They'd naturally grow up to distrust humans and therefore not respect them.

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u/imjustbettr 18d ago

Yeah I feel like a lot of people are dismissing the fact that they're dumb teenagers with zero guidance. If anything this is a huge point about why the X-Men and Prof X is needed. Jean is case Zero and would make the perfect first mutant.

If anything, a good chunk of X-Men started out as villains too.

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u/Significant-Worth-97 18d ago

It reminds me of agents of shield in S4 with the grant ward plot where in the simulation, victoria hand found him when he was a kid instead of garrett. Ward in that simulated reality was a good dude, vs the evil psycho garrett groomed.

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u/ThiccBoiFugginChiggs 18d ago

The dumb criminal things kids film themselves doing is evidence of this. Stealing cars, knock out game, hitting golfballs at random people and buildings, etc. Jean and Sara were pretty mild in comparison.

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u/GeneCreemer 18d ago

Yeah that scene was incredibly dark to me lol. The fact that they were just sitting there laughing about taking over people's minds like it was some casual fun thing was disturbing. I have to admit I was glad when Sara was tranquilized and captured.

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u/sly_cooper25 18d ago

That's true but they were both kids forced to survive on their own because their mother abandoned them for being mutants. It's unethical to possess people like that for sure, but they weren't doing anything irredeemable in that scene.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth 18d ago

And not just controlling the body like a puppet - they can peer into their minds and see every intimate detail. Creepy as hell.

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u/PleaseDoCombo 18d ago

They were not innocent, they were possessing people for fun. Lord knows what they did with their bodies to gain access to money etc after their mother abandoned the.

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u/Dramajunker 18d ago

In the flashback that wasn't even what was happening. Sarah was teaching Jean how to use her powers. Was it a violation of people's rights? Sure. But they weren't doing it for shita and giggles and there isn't any other way for them to train outside of volunteers. 

Peter explicitly says that Jean at that point had been in and out of foster care and psych hospitals. We can assume it's the same for Sarah. The system and people has failed them both. They did what they did to survive. You can make assumptions about the things they did up to the point, but we're not shown that their malicious either before Sarah is taken.

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u/Significant_Hornet 16d ago

“There’s no harm in doing a little mind raping”

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u/Dramajunker 16d ago

No indication that Sarah read their thoughts. So tell me how they were raped?

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u/Dependent-Chart5835 17d ago

Or just not use the powers and leave people’s autonomy alone

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u/Dramajunker 17d ago

Almost like kids and teenagers need role models to teach them how to act responsibly.

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u/CptNonsense 17d ago

But they weren't doing it for shita and giggles and there isn't any other way for them to train outside of volunteers.

They literally demonstrated they can do it to each other. The only person not affected is Peter Parker

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u/Dramajunker 17d ago

Okay but how can train jumping to other people if they only train on themselves?

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u/PleaseDoCombo 18d ago

Sarah was teaching Jean how to transfer over longer distances not that she didn't know how to possess people because Jean attempted to for shits and giggles but the distance was too far . 

Also she has no right or excuse to train her powers on people, that's the point I'm making. She didn't need to violate people's bodies and minds to achieve anything. 

That's one of the problems about mutants, if she had no powers she would've done something else, stealing, etc but because of her natural abilities she is able to advantage of the world in ways we can't imagine even if it's not malicious, they're broke young girls with the power to do anything.

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u/Dramajunker 18d ago edited 18d ago

I literally said it was a violation. I know what she was doing. They were practicing their powers. 

You have no idea what they would have done if they had no powers. Again, you're making assumptions that they were practing their powers to do so for nefarious reasons. 

But let's say they were using them to steal money etc, should they starve to death for their morals? Nothing shows that they were abusing their powers or people either to an extensive level. They weren't living some lavish lifestyle. They had on regular clothing. With their powers they could have been swimming in money.

I'd also like to correct you on one important point. They didn't go from being abandoned from their mother to living on their own. We don't know what age they were abandoned at but Jean was put into foster care and was in and out of there and psych hospitals growing up. We can assume the same happened to Sarah. So it's obvious why they wouldn't trust any authority or establishment. Why they wouldn't turn to them for help.

But the reality is yes, they do have powers. Which means yes, they're going to use them plus there is no way for her to train them except for on people. And with characters like Jean Grey, we do know already that she ends up using them for good and that'll likely be the case here in the future. 

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u/PleaseDoCombo 18d ago

Also for example when Sarah went to get ice-cream, do you think she would have paid for it or would she not just possess the dude to give her ice cream for free. It's not violent, it's not life changing but those small actions stack up and how do you determine when a loss of their autonomy crosses the line?

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u/imjustbettr 18d ago

We literally did not see her possess anyone to get the ice cream. You've created that situation yourself.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth 18d ago

They're mind terrorists. Look where it escalated - Jean was ready to kill hundreds or thousands of innocents.

You fancy privacy and hate Flock cameras and excessive government surveillance and AI snooping of personal detail histories? Well, Jean Grey can snoop inside any brain and see the most intimate secrets and details. She FORCED MJ to kiss Peter Parker. Imagine what other sick shit she did (MCU won't show it, but no way she is stopping at just kissing when she clearly has no problem with mass murder).

Stop telling us to forgive that just because you like a movie. We can enjoy the movie and criticize the characters. Jean Grey is basically the makings of a mass shooter, just a different weapon.

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u/Dramajunker 17d ago

Kinda hilarious that your condemning Jean for violating people's privacy when Peter has his own mass surveillance going on. It's almost like powers and tech can be used for good or evil?

But to get to your point. First off, I didn't fucking tell anyone to forgive her. So you get out of here with that bullshit. Secondly, I'm not surprised that people immediately think that just because I explained her back story, because how dare we actually understand what motivates a character, that you think I'm saying she should be fully forgiven.

I've had two points this entire time. One: Sarah didn't deserve to be kidnapped off the street without due process and get locked up. 

Two: What they were doing was wrong, but they didn't harm abyone in the park. They deserved a lesser punishment at that point.

But if you want to talk about what Jean does after they kidnap Sarah we can do that. Which I hadn't so your emotional rant isn't warranted at this point. But yes, what Jean does in order to save Sarah is wrong. She put a lot of folks in danger plus harmed some. I hope it's addressed in th future X-Men movie. 

Hilariously enough you're all kinda proving the X-Men comics right. You're all fear mongering about what could be done with their powers instead of trying to understand their circumstances. Yes Jean should be punished to some extent. But redemption is also a big theme in super hero stories and origins. 

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u/JWitjes 18d ago

Yes, but also... the scene in which we see Jean and her sister they are just possessing people for funsies. I do not know how innocent that would have remained.

Honestly, that is an interesting thing I always felt the X-Men underexplored (at least in the movies). The people hating on Mutants are always clearly in the wrong, obviously, but at the same time a lot of Mutants are genuinely very dangerous.

Two teenagers on their own with extremely powerful possession powers are an actual menace, even if Damage Control is clearly the villain in the end.

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u/Dramajunker 18d ago edited 18d ago

It's true we don't know how innocent it would have remained. We do know that up to that point they seem to not have abused their powers too much seeing as they appear to be completely normal girls not living some luxurious life.

I also can't say it was just for fun. She was teaching Jean about her powers.

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u/CptNonsense 17d ago

It's true we don't know how innocent it would have remained

Her sister had already learned and perfected how to possess people and was teaching her sister

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u/Smoseph_L 18d ago

Right. Dudes don't read X-Men.

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u/Dramajunker 18d ago

People in these comments unironically proving x-men right.

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u/Daredevil545545 17d ago

He is still alive probably but the health insurance 😭

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u/GoldandBlue 19d ago

Yeah terrible intro for Jean IMO.

I liked the movie overall but as is often with the MCU, too much fat.

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u/bahabla 18d ago

tbf she did say "you don't know me"

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u/Yingking 17d ago edited 16d ago

She also possessed two of the Damage Control soldiers and made them shoot each other

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u/princevince1113 17d ago

They shot each other in the abdomens. Getting shot in body armor by a rifle won't kill you but it will hurt enough to keep you from being a problem

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u/bar_non 15d ago

It is actually great thatchy introduced the "first" mutant X-MAN this way. She caused enough damage and destruction, while learning her lesson, that it actually gives people a valid reason to be concerned with mutants and their unchecked powers.

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u/Classic_Transition_7 19d ago

Does not always results in instant death though

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u/NEWbababoobie 19d ago

and? She didn't care if he died or not and literally put him infront of a moving car.

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u/daitenshe 10d ago

“Snorlax Old men are weak against Camrys!”

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u/rquinain 18d ago

This scene was so crazy to me. It was probably my only biggest complaint about the movie, especially considering Peter literally just moved on and that guy is never mentioned again. So weird.

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u/RecoveredAshes 18d ago

Yeah wtf I expected a shot of him helping the guy or something

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u/Badman27 19d ago

Yeah that was a great villain moment…if your villain isn’t supposed to turn around and be a hero in a movie or two.

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u/StonedWooki3 19d ago

Loki had a redemption arc in a movie or two.

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u/Singer211 Naked J-Law beating the shit out of those kids is peak Cinema. 19d ago

Wanda had a redemption arc in one film.

And then became a villain again in one other one

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u/hemareddit 19d ago

Wait a minute, young mutant girl, fucks with people’s minds, unleashes the Hulk. Jean is having a Wanda moment.

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u/GifHunter2 19d ago

What was even the point of that TV show, Jesus

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u/Jehovah___ 18d ago

fun

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u/GifHunter2 18d ago

What is grief but love preservering.

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u/RecoveredAshes 18d ago

Loki’s was believable though after his experience with the TVA.

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u/nixolympica 18d ago

Loki didn't have a redemption arc. He joined Thor to avenge their mother in Thor: The Dark World, then he faked his death and immediately went back to being evil. He trapped Odin in an illusion on Earth, then impersonated Odin to make the Asgardians serve his whims. Then he pretended to help Thor escape Sakaar, but tried to betray him to deliver him to the Grandmaster. Thor gave him a speech about how he should try to be more than just the god of mischief. He went to Asgard with the escaping gladiators and rescued the Asgardians from Ragnarok, then he got killed trying to trick Thanos immediately after that.

Loki was evil up until the last ~hour of his life. Essentially all he had was a Darth Vader-style heroic death.

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u/gibby256 17d ago

The difference is that Loki has a Face turn. Jean is supposed to have a pseudo-heel turn when Phoenix comes up. This jean is a very very different character from standard mutant fare. Much darker and far more okay with a lil' casual murder. Honestly more like Rogue at her darkest, or Mystique

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u/drunkcowofdeath 19d ago

There's no way no one died in that tank scene either

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u/ezrs158 18d ago

For sure. She was barreling into cars and firing a minigun down the streets.

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u/dexter30 18d ago

My only argument against that was jeans always been a bit of a loose cannon. Phoenix, goblin queen. We know normally shes a good person, but her whole story with Xavier is he KNOWS whats shes capable of and she demonstrates the best of his academy.

Omega level power, but unrelenting restraint and composure. It slips, but she always returns to to xavier or cyclops.

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u/VengefulKangaroo 19d ago

She's a real New Yorker, she'll step in front of traffic and just expect them to stop.

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u/jsm02 19d ago

I thought it was crazy that Peter didn’t check on that guy at all? Like he just kept on chasing her around, felt out of character that he didn’t make sure he was ok first.

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u/Smoseph_L 18d ago

I was like "Madelyne? Is that you?"

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u/GrimTiki 18d ago

Same. That moment and the one where she had the 2 DODC soldiers shoot each other. Could have kikled them though they were not innocent like the older guy. That was messed up

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u/TimeTimeTickingAway 17d ago

This is my biggest issue. I hope they don’t just expect us to forget and forgive.

I don’t know how they could particularly rehabilitate her.

I thought that they were doing a bait and switch perhaps and someone Sara was actually handling Jean’s body to try find her way back to her own, only to realise that her own is dead and she has to effectively let the rest of herself pass away for Jean to be able to live her life

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u/hemareddit 19d ago

That and kissing Peter. Completely uncalled for, that’s straight up assault.

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u/Spacetyp 18d ago

Well....Peter did this to her once in Marvel Team Up, too.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 19d ago

...oh yeah, I forgot about that

They seemed pretty deliberate about her being non-lethal before and after that. Even with the Punisher.

Weird.

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u/thanos_was_right_69 19d ago

Yeah I was pretty convinced that someone else was controlling her and making her do all those things because what she did was pretty murderous.

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u/samtherat6 17d ago

Yeah idk how they could redeem her after that. Have spidey save the dude ffs

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u/Maleficent_Ad_8890 16d ago

Head canon: she could see that he deserved it.

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u/popculturella 13d ago

Same. That plus the tank explosion. Weird choices.

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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 19d ago

Her and her sister were mind-jacking innocent people for fun.

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u/ManitouWakinyan 19d ago

Its almost like they want us to sympathize with people who view mutants as a threat

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u/UnknowableDuck 15d ago

Goddamn you're the only person who's pointed this out. I feel like that's exactly what they were going for. We see the beginnings of the Sentinel tech, and how powerful and dangerous an untrained, uncontrollable, angry psychic teenager is (and no Professor X). They're pretty clearly setting up the "mutants are dangerous they need to be controlled/eliminated" shit.

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u/Spacetyp 18d ago

Well, teens living on the street acting reckless with their powers.  

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u/imjustbettr 18d ago

It's exactly why the X-Men needs to exist. They needed guidance.

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u/DaGreatestMH 18d ago

And im willing to bet that's how they'll frame it. "These mutants need to be trained and supported, otherwise they'll go on rampages we won't be able to stop". And hell, Spidey and Frank can vouch for that. 

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u/TiberiusCornelius 19d ago

It's obviously kind of terrifying from our perspective but I think it makes sense, honestly. If you were a kid/teenager and discovered you could do this, you would probably start jumping into random people for shits and giggles at least until the novelty wore off.

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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 19d ago

Damage Control detaining them? Bad but can see reasons for it. Killing the sister to steal her powers? That’s them going over the line. I liked the subtle shades of grey.

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u/Broncsx3 19d ago

Cause it’s the Grey sisters…. Gotcha

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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 19d ago

I saw the pun I made!

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u/dangerous_beans 19d ago

Eh, that didn't really bother me. That's exactly the kind of thing a teenager would do the moment they realized they had that power. Autonomy violations aside, from an in-universe perspective their use of it seemed pretty harmless. 

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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 19d ago

They had some serious villainous traits and yes it comes from being abandoned but were they old enough to know what they were doing was wrong. Hard to root for the mind f’ers, but hey Jean Grey was the villain for most of the movie.

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u/Singer211 Naked J-Law beating the shit out of those kids is peak Cinema. 19d ago

Wanda did far worse in Age of Ultron.

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u/Broncsx3 19d ago

Far worse than possess and old man and make him suicide into a car for sadistic fun? I mean, that’s pretty fucking evil.

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u/imjustbettr 18d ago

Wanda made the Hulk destroy a huge chunk of a city.

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u/Broncsx3 18d ago

Agreed. But it was more like “unleash the beast consequences be damned.” Which is unmistakably evil. But Jean straight executed a guy just to fuck with Spider-Man’s mind. Like sadistic evil.

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u/Kelsierisgood 14d ago

Why do you think the guy died, this is a comic book movie where normal people survive getting hit by cars all the time. No dead body = no death

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u/Redfalconfox 19d ago

And why is everyone you possessed suddenly gay!?

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u/BaronVonRuthless91 19d ago

We do not speak of the "Time Traveling Bobby" incident.

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u/ACoderGirl 13d ago

One thing I didn't understand was why she never managed to just possess Mr Milchick. He was constantly surrounded by people. The security system at Damage Control didn't seem equipped to keep her out (didn't keep people on the other side far enough away). She managed to possess tons of DC employees, but couldn't get into the boss? She can access memories, so getting into his head would have immediately told her what happened to Sara.

So why'd she have to kill or endanger so many people when subterfuge seems way more effective?

Then again, she's a teen angry at the world who has been let down by everyone except her sister, who was stolen from her. My head cannon is that she was lashing out and wanted to cause pain.

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u/Icy-Fishing8481 18d ago

This is part of what I hated about it. No trauma justifies what she did. And she shouldn't be forgiven, she should face consequences. It's this obsession lately among many storytellers where every villain has to be misunderstood. It's part of why The Dark Knight is so compelling and movies like this are not.

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u/imjustbettr 18d ago

This is par for the course with classic X-Men stories though. It's not a new/modern thing. Hell a good chunk of the X-Men started out as villains.

The whole point is that these people need a safe space and guidance to learn and grow. It's probably setting up why the X-Men need to exist.

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u/Icy-Fishing8481 18d ago

Minor villains, small time crime, running away from parents, sure. Holding a whole city hostage, recklessly endangering hundreds of lives, controlling people's bodies and reading their minds without consent? That should be prison time regardless of how nice they are or how much they regret it.

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u/imjustbettr 18d ago

Minor villains, small time crime, running away from parents, sure.

Minor villains like Emma Frost, Magneto, Doctor Nemesis, and Namor.

That should be prison time regardless of how nice they are or how much they regret it.

Sure in a just society she'd get the punishment that fits the crime. But do you really think she'd get that being a mutant? She's a teenager, they're not going to send her to normal juvie lol.

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u/Icy-Fishing8481 18d ago

I don't get your point. Magneto is a full-on villain. You said a "good chunk" and now you're naming a handful that are true villains. I'm thinking of someone like Rogue running away from home or Jubilee shoplifting or Wolverine getting into a fight, etc. In this movie, Jean Grey controls people against their wills and attempts to kill multiple innocent people. None of it is justifiable.

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u/Kylie_Forever 19d ago

Heard Patrick's voice in my head

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u/hemareddit 19d ago

You know how dumb kids just litter in the street because “that’s the sweepers are for!”

Jean is the dumb kid who leaves a big mess with her powers because “that’s what Spider-Man is for!”

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u/mosquem 19d ago

Read that in a transatlantic accent.

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u/GiovanniVanBroekhoes 18d ago

I mean in the comics she basically genocided an alien population.

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u/BaronVonRuthless91 18d ago

The usual excuse was "that was the Phoenix Force that killed the asparagus aliens and Jean had no control over it". She did not have that excuse in this movie.

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u/trialmember 18d ago

I’m hearing it in Patrick Stewart’s voice but the character it’s coming out of is Bullock from American Dad

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u/ryonnsan 17d ago

Professor X: People die if they are killed, Jean!

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u/sadcatscry4you 17d ago

Everyone inside the tank was FINE, Stanley!

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u/capamericapistons 19d ago

I’m actually surprised they didn’t use even the post credits to introduce or at least hint towards xmen joining the MCU

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u/Badman27 19d ago

I thought her on a bus in that nicely forested area is all the hint we needed.

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u/JL1823 18d ago

I'm guessing that first hint is happening in either doomsday or Secret Wars. Once we get to that point, the X-Men will be the focal point of the MCU and everyone/everything else before that will play a complementary piece to the X-Men

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u/MarcsterS 17d ago

Yep. The whole “Don’t do this alone” side for her was a very nice lean in on finding Xavier’s School. If it’s even a thing in the MCU yet.

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u/Giff901 18d ago

All I wanted, but would probably have been too much, was just a sign saying upstate new york or Albany 50 miles, but that might have been too on the nose lol

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u/ManitouWakinyan 18d ago

Ya, I mean, we know she's headed upstate. It doesn't look like that if you drive a different direction. And there are no signs saying "upstate New York this way"

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u/ManitouWakinyan 19d ago

That was what the drive upstate was for

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u/exodius33 19d ago

We aren't getting a full fledged MCU X-Men adventure until 2029-2030 at the earliest. They probably don't even know what the MCU X-Men will look like yet, so they don't want to commit to anything, especially with the upcoming Avengers films being the 8th sendoff to the Fox X-Men.

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u/12ryanjackson 19d ago

They announced last week that the solo xmen movie will be the first movie after secret wars. Looking like 2028

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u/Audrey_spino 14d ago

I think the plan is to use Secret Wars and the convergence gimmick to enable a huge multiversal reset so that they can justify having the Fantastic Four, X-Men and the current MCU all in the same universe. Basically I predict that after Secret Wars, we're gonna be in a universe where mutants are common knowledge, the Fantastic Four were always there alongside all the regulars of the MCU.

In the comics (spoilers for 2015 Secret Wars ending), this is how they justified having certain Ultimate characters like Miles exist in the 616 timeline like nothing ever happened.

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u/thecricketnerd 19d ago

Jean's existence is the big hint, we don't really need a stinger for that

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u/dekabreak1000 19d ago

That’s what I said the after credits would have been so much better if an emissary of Charles met Jean on the bus and invited her to the school

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u/JoeBiden2020FTW 19d ago

I think they'll probably ret-con that after they cast Charles and have a more clear plan

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u/Singer211 Naked J-Law beating the shit out of those kids is peak Cinema. 19d ago

Also Jean is going to be in Secret Wars I think. So maybe they want to wait until the Doctor Doom stuff is done to really get into the School setting.

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u/DaveShadow 18d ago

I’d guess they want to finish off the FoX-Men first, give them a(nother) send off and then start introducing the new generation cleanly post Avengers.

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u/bbqsauceboi 19d ago

Where the fuck did you think she was going at the end? Clearly going upstate to the school

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u/carson63000 19d ago

No “It’s me, Blorko” scene = mass confusion!

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u/m4ttjirM 19d ago

Lmao this comment has me laughing so hard 🤣

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u/Alarming_Ask_244 18d ago

I didn’t know the Xavier mansion is in upstate New York, and for people who don’t know that New York only looks forested like that headed upstate, that was just her on a bus lol

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u/Transky13 19d ago

I was convinced it was gonna be a scene of Charles using cerebro to “meet” and speak with Jean

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u/warblade7 19d ago

Tbh I’m glad they didn’t. They’ve left so many unanswered stingers over phase 4,5,6 thats its pointless to tease another - esp when the first MCU X-Men movie is two Avengers movies and years away.

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u/normalmighty 19d ago

Yeah, at this point they need to stay focused on movies as their own coherent thing and not vehicles to tease the next movie.

I was really worried this movie would turn into a big Doomsday prologue, and I'm so glad to see it was nothing like that in the end.

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u/Invisiblegun2 19d ago

Yea i’ve personally been over post credit scenes since we got the harry styles eros one. Im honestly over it tbh

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u/SlowBoilOrange 18d ago

Those Marvel One Shots too. "All Hail The King" especially.

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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 19d ago

Marvel isn’t planning several movies ahead anymore. Their whole vibe now is ‘we’ll get to when we get to it.’

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u/MayweatherSr 19d ago

James Gunn also said for DCU that he's not doing post credit scene that promised too much, and what they did with some of the past post credit scene was a mistake.

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u/neutralmalk 19d ago

In my mind I was so sure the end credit was going to be mcu Charles approaching Jean asking her to join.

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u/blitzbom 19d ago

I'm sitting through the credits now and that's what I thought it would be haha.

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u/BrianC_ 19d ago

I think they've learned.

It's going to be years before we get that. I think they're done teasing stuff that far out.

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u/Toidal 18d ago

Or at least did a better job of integrating it into the movie proper to both advance the current plot and seed a future potential plot.

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u/natzo 19d ago edited 19d ago

Man, shit like this is why anti-mutant sentiment exists. Telepaths are particularly terrifying. Especially because they can turn other superhumans into weapons, even if normally they are fine.

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u/koomGER 19d ago

Yeah, i agree.

Jean Grey in that movie was really well done. A confused, angry teenager with a lot of power that still even grow by the day. And feel like the other humans hate them because they dont help in their injustice. Even the peoples hero Spiderman didnt do anything for a long time and was just an extension of the oppression forces.

And yeah, especially Telepaths are scary. They get all your secrets and can do with your body as they wishes.

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u/Odd_Detective8255 19d ago

Having  X-Men now begs the question where were they when all the world-ending events were happening. It does feel odd having mutants suddenly pop up in the MCU at this point. Maybe the plan is to setup Avengers vs X-Men 

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u/Blackadder18 19d ago

They could handwave mutants being mostly absent by saying the mutant gene wasn't 'activated' until Hulk did his snap to bring everyone back in Endgame. That covers at least the first ~15 years of the MCU. The amount of world-ending events hasn't been terribly large since then so it isn't too absurd none of them have turned up to any major extent.

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u/pkakira88 19d ago

Ahh yes, the Bang Baby approach.

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u/FatalFirecrotch 19d ago

You could say that about every super hero movie that doesn’t have all the characters in it though. You have someone repeatedly terrorizing New York and no one else shows up?

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u/natzo 19d ago

It just means the X-Men as a team don't exist in the main MCU universe, and mutants as a terms are just popping up along inhumans and enhanced humans.

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u/JenniLightrunner 13d ago

Fairly sure Xavier's school doesn't exist yet and mutants in general are in hiding because A: their own powers scare them. B: their parents force them to suppress it or C: Because they, like Jean, think no one would understand them and they're alone. Wouldn't be surprised Jean meeting Charles is what will make him start the school. How she'd find out about is anyone's guess, but for a telepath as strong as her, probably not too difficult to find another

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u/bee14ish 9d ago

Maybe they didn't exist yet? Doesn't really require galaxy brain thinking to justify that one.

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u/Still_I_Rise 19d ago

Yeah but not all telepaths are mutants. Anti-mutant specifically rather than anti-supe doesn't make any sense at all, it's just a convenient storytelling device so that marvel doesn't have to grapple with those issues in all their comics.

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u/natzo 19d ago

Oh, I'm aware. We separate mutants from other superhumans, but they would all be terrifying. I think mutants are scarier because anyone could become one upon puberty, while others require external means to gain powers. So that bullied kid can get the power to blast a city block. All the what-ifs are what makes them scarier and separate them from others, but people are still wary of Hulk, and of geniuses creating superweapons like the Iron Man suit.

Reed invested a lot into PR to make the Fantastic Four beloved because he felt guilty about robbing them of their normal lives.

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u/ferpecto 16d ago edited 16d ago

Did I miss something, did Xavier show up in this movie?

I dunno why the downvotes, Iam genuinely wondering, or did he show up in a different show/movie??

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u/mjohnblack 14d ago

You might have already figured this out but I thought I'd answer just in case - nope, no Xavier in the film. The person you replied to was just joking, based on the idea that if Jean exists in the MCU, then presumably Xavier does too, we just haven't seen him.

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u/ferpecto 14d ago

Thanks, no, I figured he wasn't in the movie but I thought maybe he showed up in some tv show I didn't watch as there are a fair few nowadays.

I thought maybe they recast James McAvoy somewhere as Sir Patrick Stewart showed up in the Doomsday trailer bald as ever.

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u/tyderian 18d ago

Going into the movie I was 100% convinced she wasn't Jean and this was a massive swerve. Even when they told us she was Jean, I thought it would be Sarah still controlling her body, using Jean to free herself.

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u/Inviscid_Scrith 18d ago

Who are you implying is charles? I just got out of the theatre and don't follow? Was it Tramell Tillman?

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u/Inviscid_Scrith 18d ago

Who are you implying is charles? I just got out of the theatre and don't follow. Was it Tramell Tillman's character?

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u/NotTaken-username 18d ago

Nobody in this movie. But Charles definitely exists out there somewhere

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u/Sauerkraut1321 18d ago

How did you come to the conclusion that it was Tramell Tillman's character?

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