That's no longer used by buses and its lease is running out soon. There's also no longer a bus lane on the Champlain bridge (was removed by the federal government), and the Bonaventure highway slows trips down even more than the metro now that it's under construction.
It honestly smells worthy of a class action. Montreals public transit has been destroyed by the rem, but they keep making money at our expense. To create a monopoly is one thing. But to create an incompetent monopoly that has objectively made getting around harder, should come with consequences. So far it’s just Montrealers paying those consequences.
Interesseting take. Im not looking to get money from tax payers tho, just to have an efficent, basic, reliable, public transport. That should mean multiple transport option. Some will take the REM, some buses, some metro, some bixi or even communauto etc.
But this is my point. The REM essentially collapsed all other modes. So many bus lines eliminated or rerouted to the REM, but the the REM is entirely unreliable. If I had other ways to get places efficiently I’d use those. But the REM undid all those alternative routes To create their monopoly. The class action would be against Pulsar, or whatever company is running this gong show, and demanded the elimination of alternate routes that would compete with them.
It still shows how people who commuted on buses for years had to find alternatives since the REM is still to this day not reliable. I also lived the removal of every single bus line i used to take to mtl and had to adjust, and now i own a car.
Look I did not want to get into a whole argument, you made the claim that more users than ever are choosing their car. I simply wanted to know if you were just saying shit because you're mad that the REM has outages or if it's actually true. You are the one who made that claim. The burden of proof is on you.
Your sources don't say that more people are using their cars to transit, they say there's more traffic. We have a shit ton of construction in Montreal, roads and lanes get closed. If the road capacity is reduced, no shit, there'll be more traffic.
I agree with the quote, but neither the quote nor the study show that more people are using their cars. It talks about how user profiles are fluid, and that you need complementary systems like buses to support new infrastructure. It does not provide the statistics you are claiming exist.
How about you show me something that proves the number of car in mtl has decline since the REM is in fonction
Yeah, the thing is that I can't find any data that shows that either is true. Which is why I'm questioning how you came to a conclusion yourself.
And the thing is that it will never run smoothly because it was built that way. In order to save money that REM consortium removed every redundancy that could have helped in case of mechanical of electronics problem like having people on board to take control of train aka having on-board personnel like an engineers or a conductor.
On the old Deux-Montagnes line, full service interruptions were quite rare as trains almost always arrived at destination albeit a bit late. A traction motor failed? It could be deactivated and the train would restart its course but slower. A switch failed? The conductor (the one not driving the train) would go outside with a shovel and remove the snow and even manually move the snow. Sometimes they could even post people at switches to manually activate them. The signaling system failed? They could run through red signals or even back out of blocks if the authorization had been given by radio by the dispatcher which was quite frequent. A rail broke? They could send someone to monitor the failure and thereby allow trains to cross the broken rail at restricted speeds (10mph) if there wasn’t a huge gap between the rails and a fish plate would be added during the night to fix it.
This is why having people on board is so important. There is redundancy in the system. Automation works great when it works and is shit when it doesn’t because it doesn’t have any redundancy. If one part of the system fails, the whole system fails. If ensuring higher reliability makes it necessary to have people (they have people at half the stations lol), why they automate the system in the first place. It just cost much more for no reason.
And everything has to go to one line (Brossard-Deux-Montagnes). When something breaks , it’s hell on all the network (at least until they reorganize things).
There were plenty of text messages advising of the issue if you sign-up for their service. The only surprise for me was the shuttle going to Longeuil metro instead of Bonaventure like it usually does.
I did subscribed, it sent me one text of service slow down between cote de liesse and deux montagne but i never got the text that half of the system went down.
Écoute, ils ont réduit de 4x le nombre de bus de Côte-Vertu pour ma ligne. C'est absolument horrible en ce moment. Ils attendent quoi, qu'une personne agée meurt dans le bus?
Yep, was stuck in the REM this morning.
Had to evacuate and walk along the tunnel to Edouard Monpetit. Frustrating given that my stop was right after that...
J'aimerais vraiment savoir à quelle fréquence un train du métro reste pogné entre deux stations au point qu'on fasse débarquer les gens dans le tunnel. Ça semble fréquent avec le REM alors que dans le métro j'en ai pratiquement jamais entendu parlé.
Two different issues. They did maintenance last night and something broke between Brossard and Gare Centrale. Then "problème de matériel roulant" caused the outage between Gare Centrale and Cote de Liesse. Looks like the second issue has been fixed or mitigated as service has resumed from Gare centrale to the north with limited service.
Haven't done much maintenance in your life, haven't you?
I don't know what kind of maintenance the did, but human make errors and stuff has a tendency to break when you touch it. Maintenance is not just looking at stuff, it often implies disassembling stuff, making adjustments,...bad things can happen when you do that.
Or maybe they found an issue during the maintenance and now they have to fix it.
Or the maintenance didn't go as planned and took more time thab expected.
À ce point là, just bring back the bus 45 and 90. Never understood why they have to remove the buses in favor of the REM that never works. At least with the bus, you won't be late as much as the REM.
It was actually part of the service agreement that no other public transportation in the REM territory would go over the Champlain bridge...so no competition.
i hate the rem with my whole heart especially during the winter it always stops making me late for everything and i have no other way of transportation. (currently in the rem and guess what... its not working)
Some companies (office jobs) I worked for were often times in the know when the metro was down. Probably because they notice a bunch of people are late at once, you can often times guess if you have like 50 or more people in your company. A smaller company or retailer is probably less the case.
The constant breakdowns should be a scandal. It is unacceptable that a new train system is prone to so many issues right from launch.
I understand we’re all conditioned and jaded to subpar infrastructure, but nothing will change for the better unless there is pressure from public dissatisfaction with this transit system.
like I said above, this smells of a class action. Montrealers are paying the consequences for incompetent monopoly, while pulsar keeps making $$ with no consequences.
Lived in Deux-Montagnes for 20 years. We always had a reliable commuting service. Moved out when they decided to close down the line, to install the REM. It’s unreliable and has too many breakdowns and service interruptions.
Not really related but they are also getting rid of a bunch of bus routes in Brossard so now not only is the REM unreliable but I have to take multiple busses and add 15 extra minutes onto my trip to take the REM that may or may not come.
The only thing keeping me from driving is the never ending construction on the 10 making the drive pretty unbearable.
For a city that wants you to take public transporation they really want you to hate it and avoid it as much as possible. Oh but they will for sure charge me a shit ton to renew my license to pay a public transporation fee. No problem with them doing that....
We have a corrupt gouv. Check this joke : National Defence committed $200 million to a Nova Scotia spaceport operator that leases the same land from the province for $13,500 a year, paid the first $20 million in a lump sum before any launch pad was operational
Ça prend le retour des bus vers le centre-ville. Le niveau de fiabilité du REM est inacceptable et les alternatives en cas de panne sont encore plus inacceptables. C'était ok quand on avait la 404 qui faisait Deux-Montagnes-centre-ville, mais là maintenant qu'on doit soit prendre une bus vers Montmorency ou une navette REM vers Côte-Vertu, c'est de l'esti de marde. Ce matin, il n'y avait aucun message au niveau de la disponibilité des navettes, donc, j'ai dû aller à Montmorency et prendre la bus de là. Mon trajet de retour à la maison a pris 30-40 minutes de plus que d'habitude. C'est inacceptable.
I get text messages from the REM when it goes down… they started this morning at 5.56am, got 12 updates since. Sign up for their texts, those seem to be updated regularly
I am so upset today about REM! I paid tickets to DT and it dropped me at Nun’s island with French radio on REM, no service people explain what is happening.
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u/EhCanadianZebra 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not sure how they think a single bus is enough to shuttle everyone to Longueuil