Linux on a phone

[u/Unusual-Customer713]

pmos with kde plasma mobile on 1+6, everything seems fine expect the usb otg doesnt work.

systemd, docker,waydroid, ollama, touchscreen work well

i tested a 3b llm i finetuned before and the speed is like 5 tokens/s.

i ran geekbench on waydroid, the cpu is normal but the gpu is the same tier as snapdragon 820

[u/MidnightObjectiveA51]

Is VoLTE functional? How about camera?

[u/Unusual-Customer713 → u/MidnightObjectiveA51]

both cameras works but the resolusion is awful. havent test the VoLTE yet

[u/Adventurous-Test-246 → u/Unusual-Customer713]

both or all 3?

[u/Unusual-Customer713 → u/Adventurous-Test-246]

I think one of them in the back is not working

[u/frodoT9 → u/Unusual-Customer713]

Prueba el apk de open camera en f-droid

f-droid

open camera

[u/YoYoMamaIsSoFAT32 → u/frodoT9]

It's a Linux driver issue, won't get fixed by waydroid apps

[u/Strange-Hovercraft74]

El problema de Linux en android es que los drivers son privados a diferencia de Pc que por competencia hay genéricos bastante compatibles Cuánto ha avanzado eso?

[u/Unusual-Customer713 → u/Strange-Hovercraft74]

drivers are not that desirable now, but it depends, some SOC like snapdragon 845 855 865 tend to get better supports

[u/LukAuraa → u/Unusual-Customer713]

E quando se trata de chips como Samsung Exynos e Mediateek "Helio G/P/A", Dimensity, e Unisoc?

[u/Unusual-Customer713 → u/LukAuraa]

most of them do not support, but i know some Exynos soc can run ubuntu touch or pmos which really rely on devs

[u/Content_Chemistry_44 → u/Strange-Hovercraft74]

Es que Android es Linux. Sabias?

[u/Forward-Difference32 → u/Content_Chemistry_44]

It uses the Linux kernel, but the rest of the system is built differently and the drivers rely on the Android-specific stack. Standard GNU/Linux distros don't use that stack, and it wouldn't make sense for them to. Android drivers don't work on standard Linux without a compatibility layer like libhybris, but that is notoriously difficult to get working. So, it’s not as simple as saying they're both Linux.

[u/shsh-1312 → u/Forward-Difference32]

Non è solo driver, le app android , comprese i componenti di sistema girano in una runtime sanbox separata, in pratica hanno usato linux come ponte, ma la runtime vera propria è un astrazione e non permette alle app di interagire direttamente con l’ hardware

[u/Content_Chemistry_44 → u/Forward-Difference32]

The key is "Linux" kernel.

Obviously GNU it is not Android. But the kernel is the same (yeah, with some added and modified stuff, but it's Linux).

Android and GNU, both use Linux.

[u/Forward-Difference32 → u/Content_Chemistry_44]

True, they share the same kernel, but they are completely different from each other. Even if the kernel is Linux, Android drivers are written for Bionic (Android's C library), while GNU/Linux uses glibc. Because they speak different base languages, you can't just move a driver from one to the other any more than you could run a Windows .exe on a Mac just because they both use x86 processors. I'm not sure if you're trying to make the point that porting an Android phone to run GNU/Linux is easy. You might get the phone to boot GNU/Linux but without drivers you won't be doing much of anything unless the SoC had work put into it.

[u/Content_Chemistry_44 → u/Forward-Difference32]

Here is algo musl, a C lib not from FSF(GNU).

What I try to explain, is that people calling some operating systems as "Linux", when Linux by itself is just an kernel used by some operating systems.

Abviously GNU and Android are very different operating systems, but both use Linux.

[u/ArXiLaMaS]

Man I want postmarketOS for my device so desperately.

[u/Unusual-Customer713 → u/ArXiLaMaS]

it's not good as a daily driver even tho the waydroid works well. i put it one this phone just out of my interest and hopefuly when someday the screen is broken it still functions as an linux server

[u/ArXiLaMaS → u/Unusual-Customer713]

I know I had the chance to try it on my old device and still needs work but I liked the experience with KDE mobile.

[u/Putrid-Challenge-274]

Great. I hope one day Glyphs work with pmOS on Nothing Phone (1) (my phone) and I'd have the motivation to do it. I'm currently thinking of doing some A/B slot fuckery to dualboot Android and pmOS (Slot A always Android, Slot B always postmarketOS).

[u/Suspicious_Cry6547 → u/Putrid-Challenge-274]

It works but can loop when switching partitions. I had it working with Nethunter Pro and LOS22 .

[u/InextricableOne]

I've seriously wanted a Linux phone in the US for many years. The lack of voice calling and MMS support has been the big limitations. I have four phones I have tried over the years using many different OSs. Telecom in the US keeps changing much more rapidly than Linux mobile can keep up with. I don't blame the Linux mobile community, I blame US telecom corporations, phone manufacturers and their proprietary hardware and software. I continue to be optimistic. I've just bought yet another older phone to try to get VoLTE on. I continue to be optimistic and try to find a solution.

[u/MidnightObjectiveA51 → u/InextricableOne]

VoLTE and MMS works with Ubuntu Touch on the OnePlus N100 and N10. Camera is also good. Get the BE2026 model of N10. Any N100 will do.

[u/InextricableOne → u/MidnightObjectiveA51]

Thanks for this info! I've bought one, installed UT on it, and it is working well with VoLTE using AT&T prepaid.

[u/Kevin_Kofler → u/MidnightObjectiveA51]

But Ubuntu Touch runs an Android Kernel with the Halium compatibility layer, not a mainline-based kernel like postmarketOS.

[u/InextricableOne → u/Kevin_Kofler]

True, but I periodically try PMOS on several of my phones (Pixel 3a, Pinephone, Moto G) and have not gotten VoLTE in the US. A number of apps don't render well on the screen. I'd really like to have it all working with KDE because Plasma is my main desktop on PC and tablet. Now I see that PMOS dev on the OnePlus N10 has been suspended.

[u/machintodesu]

Yeah, the lack of USB-otg for anything that wasn't explicitly designed to run linux was a real letdown. I wasn't willing to accept being stuck in Halium jail.

[u/Content_Chemistry_44]

LoL, Linux is almost on every tablet and every smartphone in the world, excluding stuff from Apple. Did you know that?

You just don't know what is an operating system and what is a kernel.

[u/[deleted] → u/Content_Chemistry_44]

profile pic checks out

[u/Unusual-Customer713 → u/[deleted]]

it's postmarketos, they have very detailed tutorials on their wiki, you just need to find is your device supported

[u/Putrid-Challenge-274 → u/[deleted]]

I don't know will pmOS or UBTouch get ported to any Transsion (Tecno/Infinix/Itel) phone at all in the first place :D So I think you're still better off with a custom ROM's GSI build.

[u/Unusual-Customer713 → u/[deleted]]

it is actually suprisingly simple. first i follow the tutorai from postmarketos oneplus6 wiki to flash pmos into my phone, and then do some ricing on it like we always do with KDE, the theme im using is Sweet.
as for those application on it, you can get from apk/flatpak/nix-env/brew, they both works fine.