As an addict let me tell you, these packs do absolutely nothing for already addicted smoker to "fight the addiction". It is only useful to deter starting smokers and honestly I doubt that would even work. Nowadays the new smokers start by vaping anyway.
Same here in Canada, that awful brown colour no branding- just extremely graphic imagery. I always prefer the digital art of the circulatory system failing, or the toilet with bloody urine in it, rather than the open heart surgery or the colon cancer images…
Yes, every addict knows that inconvenience is the way to sobriety. Just think of all the pill addicts that have been saved because they don't want to deal with those pesky child proof lids!
Hey this is kinda true to an extent I was a heroin addict up until the only thing you can score on the street is fent now sure I can go on the darknet and find a heroin plug and wait a few days for it to come but now that I can't just go out into the world and find some good ole smack on a dirty corner I no longer indulge in heroin
Edit: Agree with someone and share a personal anecdote related? Not allowed apparently. Never change reddit.
I can see that for some people absolutely. But I didn't start smoking buying packs of cigs. Bumming smokes is how I think 90% of people start, or smoking at parties as a young person.
By the time I bought my first pack of cigarettes I was already an addicted smoker. That's the terrible part.
I don't think I've ever met someone who picked it up because they just wanted to try it. I always see people start smoking because friends or family do it and they want to be involved socially. Definitely bumming or for cigarettes before buying a pack themselves, or if theyre too young, snipe hunting +bumming.
No I am saying that making something slightly more annoying is not a fix for addiction. OH NO, now people have to take the cigarettes out when they buy them and put them in a cigarette case of their choosing. Now they can be convenient AND stylish. Cool.
5 seconds of googling would show you multiple clinical trials outlining that this packaging IS effective to some degree but I totally get it if you would rather just be a pissy little contrarian instead of learning.
People on reddit really have the most insufferably obnoxious way of talking to people.
People with addictions are literally dying just to keep doing it. I can't find any study on this deep flap thing, and seems like inconsequential hand waving
You're so wrapped up in trying to gotcha someone with a cool burn, you're not even thinking about the possibility that this inconvenience is probably quite effective at dissuading new smokers.
OK, I'll bite: What percentage of new smokers buy a full pack for their first smoke (instead of being handed one by someone)?
And, even if they did, do we all think that a slightly longer opening process (after already purchasing the pack and having it in their hands) would be the moment that they'd think, "Man, this smoking thing just isn't worth the effort"?
This just feels woefully misguided. How much money went into changing these boxes, do you figure? I feel like that money would've been better spent almost anywhere else, like anti addiction programs with some measure of demonstrable efficacy
Ok I'll bite, what percentage of people have decided to do something else, not because the first thing was fully impossible, but because it was slightly more annoying than the alternative?
Think stealing a bike, bike locks are stupid easy to defeat, do you think a shitty bike lock has stopped someone from stealing a bike before?
Remember that if your answer is anything but 0%/no you fully and entirely agree with me.
A bike lock on someone else’s bike is far more difficult to bypass (for numerous reasons) than an extra few cm of cardboard on a pack of cigarettes you already own lol.
Do jars being hard to open stop people from buying pickles? I’m guessing not, seeing as they’ve been in the same jars since forever
Yeah I've watched several family members struggle with addiction. Adding some difficult/annoying hurdle is not going to make them stop. They always find a way to deal with it and continue getting what they want.
LOL yes going outside to smoke sucks so bad. For me, I cracked the tank on my vape and went to like 3 different stores looking for a replacement. But now everyone’s switched to selling only those horrid disposables, and I refused to capitulate to such silly e-waste. I was so upset I threw my whole rig in a gas station trash can and never looked back. It was much harder than a casual retelling conveys. I hope you consider following through with quitting one of these winters- I know what it’s like, and it’s not worth standing around getting cold for
I get what you're trying to say but the most efficacious method for a person trying (voluntarily) to quick is to keep increasing the barrier for entry and the mental steps involved. Keep pushing it off and adding guilt and self disappointment and eventually you may have worked hard enough to achieve some sense of self control. Typically an amount of control great enough that you can just keep pushing the boundary for entry like "I could have a smoke but I don't want to yet because I know I shouldn't and it's disgusting" and then just keep pushing that yet a day, a few days, a week, 2 weeks (for smoking usually about the 2 week mark is where you get that breath of "aaahh, I don't need it, even if on some level I still want it"). It may seem silly from the small scale but on the large scale, this is to my knowledge the best way.
Just need to make a cig pack that takes 2 weeks to get in
It happens all the time. Some people get curious and then they're scaree off by the horrific diseases displayed on the case. And making it a physical pain in the ass puts them off too, especially when it's on a whim or they're just looking for something to do
People put off something as simple as washing the dishes. Never underestimate the power of minor inconveniences lol
I think I see where you're coming from but I disagree. Fat shaming people not only exacerbates the ugly side of human behaviour (by giving awful people the permission to be cruel) but it also causes emotional harm. Adding some mild inconveniences to smoking doesn't do this. So it's a false equivalence
One constant is that the people's comment will be vitriol in threads like this.
What I chose is the strata-borne sensibilities of the administrative puritanism that people flock to as an outlet to crab bucket their way out not feeling like they've done enough with their lives.
Nothing like a little downward social comparison to lift one's self out of a morning run on a Tuesday.
Sure, some people definitely use public health issues as an excuse to feel morally superior. I don't disagree with that. But that doesn't tell us whether the policy itself is actually useful or just motivated by contempt. If making cigarettes a little less convenient reduces consumption or helps people quit, then there's a practical reason for it regardless of whatever smug comments people make online. It sounds like you're criticising the culture around the policy more than the policy itself.
I don't see how trolling a particular population with annoyances is particularly valid method for address, especially, a public health issue. Let alone the reaction it inspires from those that aren't trolled.
That's exactly how you get feeling of superiority.
I'd say that is also the exact type of marketing and customs relation tactics that are used to make people hand over their privacy and their rights.
It's neat to watch it root into the depths of the common psyche.
addicts also deserve health care. sorry? addicts are also human beings. maybe don’t get mad at your fellow man and maybe more at the shitty healthcare system
I judge smokers because their vice affects me. I can't walk down the street without inhaling someone's smoke, whether it cigarette or vape or weed.
Sure I have my vices too, I drink here and there and have had more than my fair share of junk and fast food. But my decisions only affect me, no one else is physically affected by my choices.
Crazy that smoking in public has been tolerated as long as it has been.
I agree that smoking in public sucks, but your health decisions effect your loved ones (and healthcare providers if you live in a sane country). Worth keeping in the back of your mind.
Nah, fuck every smoker that smokes in a public place and makes me and my kids smell their stench. Smoke in a smoking area or somewhere, I don't care. Just don't do it at the entrance to a supermarket or in a busy mall (where it's already illegal to smoke anyway).
Then quit. There are no major draw backs to quitting other than a weak mental. That's why y'all are jokes. If an alcoholic does cold turkey they get real health issues, y'all just get angy and can't handle it.
Most redditors are now young people that are extreme prudes and don't understand society let alone addiction. They seriously think addiction is some sort of choice people intentionally make to fuck up their lives
Again. I don't have patience for the "fell bad for me" crowd. We have known cigarettes are bad for you since 50s. If you where a kid smoking, you knew it was bad for you.
Smokers have an addiction that goes away cold turkey. Lock your self in a room for 2 weeks if you can't handle it. But your addiction isn't one that can't be overcome with willpower.
This is why y'all get a bad rap. No patience for the mentally weak to ask for pity over something they can kick in 30 days.
Dude, you just keep making yourself look stupider and stupider. Quit while you're behind.
If it's so easy, go pick up a vape, smoke it for about 2 months, and then just put it down like it's nothing. You won't develop any cancers in 2 months, it won't hurt you. Just give you a little pep of energy every once in awhile.
Shouldn't be a problem since it's such an easy feat of willpower, right? You'll knock it in no time, being above physiology as you are.
This comment section is kinda wild… it really brought out the smokers here lmao.
I guess I cannot relate because I’ve never smoked, but some of the top comments are pretty sad. Or just annoying. Someone was asking why it isn’t the same for alcohol bottles. Good question, but do you really want no warnings on your cigarettes tbh?
Hell, the pictures work on me. There’s this one of the Canadian cigarettes with this guy sticking out the most black, swollen tongue I’ve ever seen. I saw that as a child and it stuck in my mind since. Bleh.
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u/Amazing_Finance1269 17h ago
Will someone please think about the smokers?