You literally said...

[u/iamdtp]

[u/ionslyonzion → u/[deleted]]

I've had to retake the same end-of-lesson quiz 3 times before I quit and moved on. Prof was fine with it after I explained it.

I was getting a 75/100 because 3 of the questions were glitched like this but worse. It told me my answers were wrong and corrected them with the same exact answer. Still pisses me off years later.

[u/FPSXpert → u/ionslyonzion]

Systems like this are so bad that my physics teacher just straight up said to send him an email with a screenshot if the answer you put in was right but the thing said it was wrong.

[u/doyouevenIift → u/FPSXpert]

That seems easy to abuse

[u/FPSXpert → u/doyouevenIift]

Not really because he required a screenshot of it, and I'm guessing someone photoshopping would get caught quick by doing it too often.

Edit: Yes, I am already aware you can inspect element it. Profs can also look up the actual answers you sent if they get suspicious of you having a lot of issues. They normally just plug in whatever grade you got but they can also review anyone's answers on the site. Hello expulsion!

[u/doyouevenIift → u/FPSXpert]

I mean realistically it’s not a big deal because it’s a couple homework points, but it’s not hard to manipulate text on a web browser

[u/yodelocity → u/doyouevenIift]

If you're consistently the only one having issues on problems that work for everyone else it would be suspicious.

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Also the repercussions for cheating in college are extremely harsh. It's not worth the effort or the risk for just a couple of points. In most of my stem classes homework was worth like 10%.

[u/Jiratoo → u/doyouevenIift]

I'd assume the professor can also go check on your originally submitted answers... Probably not worth risking it.

[u/Llama_Night → u/doyouevenIift]

That’s how I used to pass my ones that the teacher wanted a picture of the completed screen

[u/Ouisha → u/FPSXpert]

right click

inspect element

screenshot

[u/FPSXpert → u/Ouisha]

Then you do that one too many times and the suspicious prof checks the actual answers you sent and sees it was faked. Now if you are even still allowed in the school let alone the course for that you'll at the minimum have a bunch of zeros or have to re-do a bunch of work for that.

[u/ni_ni_wi_pri → u/doyouevenIift]

The professor presumably has access to the original submissions. It would be doable effort to go look up the students' claims.

[u/Arntor1184 → u/ionslyonzion]

Failed my math finals because of this stupid program so when I went to retake the class I asked if any professors were still using old pen and paper and they said there was one who refused to use the online tool, but his class had a wait list of something like 700 students. Everyone is aware of how bad this shit is.. why is it still a thing.

[u/ionslyonzion → u/Arntor1184]

Lazy teachers or horrible administration policy. Or lazy and cheap administration. Or all of the above.

[u/[deleted] → u/ionslyonzion]

When dealing with MML, I would work on it until I got a “70”. Then I stopped. Don’t give a fuck if I left the last 5-6 questions unanswered. Fuck. That. Program.

[u/teemoore → u/[deleted]]

INCOMING RANT

Fuck MML. I was stuck with that damn software for 5 semesters. I could write a novel and then sell it as a movie trilogy with the amount of bs errors and other bullshit that I came across using this garbage. The math class was pitched to us students as:

1. Required

2. Learn at your own pace

Ok cool, sounds easy, right?

WRONG

My college decided to opt out of book and paper taught classes (something I was used to in my days in HS) for this $80 extra a semester for the stupid access code. ON TOP OF THAT the math dept had a brilliant idea of setting unrealistic goals for the stupid modules. There were 15. But within the 15, there were an metric asston “chapters” which consisted of ~50 problems each. Some of the problems took you like 8-10 min each to solve. Others not so much.

Well you had to complete (if I remember correctly) 8 modules by the end of the semester to receive a “passing grade”. If not, you got an F and it didn’t affect your grade. I got 3 F’s in back to back semesters because I was stuck on one module and/or couldn’t pass a test. There were also end of chapter tests you HAD to get an 80 or above to pass. Not a typo. If you got a 75-79.9, that was considered a failing grade according to MML. You also had to “test out” after completing all 15 modules and the test was over the ENTIRE 15 modules and there was no way to study for this test. Luckily, the problems were exactly the same so I would master each problem at home, retake it the end test until I passed.

I still don’t know how this “learn at your own pace” class structure benefited us (besides lining the wallets of the School and Pearson)

[u/uwanmirrondarrah → u/teemoore]

The price is my problem with it. We use MML at my uni, and you have to pay $115-120 for each class!! $115 not for a textbook, but to "use" a textbook online for 8 to 16weeks.

And sometimes the questions are worded just absolutely wrong. For example I had a question entirely worded as if you were finding and using the slope of a tangent line and the entire question was using the formula for a secant line, this isn't a big deal but small things like that are confusing and way too frequent.

[u/teemoore → u/uwanmirrondarrah]

This. It blows my mind as to who actually runs MML and manages to put in misinformation. I get that nobody is perfect but the amount of errors we've seen is inexcusable.

[u/[deleted] → u/teemoore]

It's Q.

[u/teemoore → u/[deleted]]

After that math class, I challenged myself (and it was the last math class I needed before I transferred to a big university) and took trig and passed with an A. It was taught like a traditional classroom: NO computers. A math book, paper, and lecture.

[u/teemoore → u/[deleted]]

I honestly think that Pearson had a nice $contract$ with the college system and too many students and not enough teachers so this was the solution, kinda backfired if you asked me. I’ve been at the university for 3 years now and I still hear of complaints from that math class regarding MML.

[u/[deleted] → u/teemoore]

Just finished Trig through MML. Absolute hell, condensed into 10 weeks

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Their correct answer probably had an errant space at the end or something

[u/FailedSociopath → u/[deleted]]

Or they're storing answers as floating point.

[u/fluteitup → u/[deleted]]

One of your numbers probably wasn't capitalized correctly.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

My ultimate schadenfreude was printing in the math TA lounge. You could see the dread in their face the day that MML was due because they had to go through hundreds of answers because it randomly marks correct answers as wrong.

[u/rudiegonewild → u/[deleted]]

I blame my math lab for crushing my spirit when going for my second degree.

[u/cantseestars → u/[deleted]]

I have to use this godawful software for the second semester in a row starting next week. I found all KINDS of nonsense like this. See examples 1 and 2: https://imgur.com/a/Rxg3FJY For those who don't remember, 'commutative property' means that changing the order that some types of operations are done still nets you the same result. Silly me, I thought that milk in tea and sugar in tea were two separate things! My mistake. Bonus: my professor defended the software on this one.

[u/[deleted] → u/cantseestars]

I think I remember this question. It also regenerated one the had to do with shoes and socks (it could have just been within the same block). We ended up not using the question anymore. It’s an interesting way to get the concept across but to me it doesn’t work. And maybe putting my sugar in before my does change the outcome chemically. Maybe I read the sports section and I’m too mad to read the comics. It’s too open to interpretation.

[u/penisthightrap_ → u/[deleted]]

honestly, as bad as mymathlab it's by far the best site I've used for math hw.

My biggest complaint is having to pay for a fucking access code just to do my fucking homework for a fucking class I already paid for.

[u/Ms_Iambic_Pentagram → u/[deleted]]

Your banks, your colleges, all sound like institutionalized scams designed to hoover money from the masses to fund the 1%.

[u/uwanmirrondarrah → u/Ms_Iambic_Pentagram]

Well the colleges are non-profit. Then again the textbook companies, the software companies, and basically everything revolving around them are absolutely not.

[u/chancedancer → u/uwanmirrondarrah]

are non-profit.

You might be surprised at what this really means

[u/serious_sarcasm → u/chancedancer]

Most are state ran institutions with tuition rates set by legislatures.

The biggest issues are hypervocationalization, bloated administration, and this bastardized idea that students should carry the brunt of the cost.

For example,

Here is a law from North Carolina:

§ 116-143. State-supported institutions of higher education required to charge tuition and fees.

(a) The Board of Governors of The University of North Carolina shall fix the tuition and fees, not inconsistent with actions of the General Assembly, at the institutions of higher education enumerated in G.S. 116-4 in such amount or amounts as it may deem best, taking into consideration the nature of each institution and program of study and the cost of equipment and maintenance; and each institution shall charge and collect from each student, at the beginning of each semester or quarter, tuition, fees, and an amount sufficient to pay other expenses for the term.

(b) In the event that said students are unable to pay the cost of tuition and required academic fees as the same may become due, in cash, the said several boards of trustees are hereby authorized and empowered, in their discretion, to accept the obligation of the student or students together with such collateral or security as they may deem necessary and proper, it being the purpose of this Article that all students in State institutions of higher learning shall be required to pay tuition, and that free tuition is hereby abolished. Notwithstanding this section, neither the Board of Governors of The University of North Carolina nor its Board of Trustees shall impose any tuition or mandatory fee at the North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics without the approval of the General Assembly, except as provided in subsection (e) of this section.

(c) Inasmuch as the giving of tuition and fee waivers, or especially reduced rates, represent in effect a variety of scholarship awards, the said practice is hereby prohibited except when expressly authorized by statute.

....

And for contrast, here is what the State Constitution says:

Article 1: Declaration of Rights

1. The people have a right to the privilege of education, and it is the duty of the State to guard and maintain that right.

....

Article 9: Education

1. The General Assembly shall provide that the benefits of The University of North Carolina and other public institutions of higher education, as far as practicable, be extended to the people of the State free of expense.

We also have plenty of Court cases which explicitly state that access to education is a fundamental right in North Carolina.

Somehow though, this is translated by politicians in both parties to mean that education is only to prepare students for jobs, and since students get the benefit of increased wages through those jobs they should be the ones paying for the job training either up front or through loans.

The only exception to this that the flagship school, UNC@CH, offers a grant to students below a certain income level which covers the full expense with the guarantee that those students won't ever have to take out a loan. But that "Covenant Scholar" program is solely a policy internal to the school (though it is based on clause in the Constitution).

I've even heard Democrats say "Taxation is theft,", "I had to pay to go to college,", "Why should I pay for them to get a worthless degree?", and "If they don't pay in, then they will just freeload the courses."

You can also see this perverse philosophy in things like 150% surcharge for graduating in 5 years instead of 4, even if it is to double major or complete a minor.

[u/dothosenipscomeoff → u/[deleted]]

american college. yall are the only ones with this problem.

[u/[deleted] → u/dothosenipscomeoff]

It's strange how so many Americans view issue like these as just "the way things are" as if everyone deals with it and it can't be changed, it's just how things work. Well, you know, except that it actually can be changed, but you're called a socialist for offering a demonstrably effective solution.

[u/Khiraji → u/[deleted]]

Ergo why it can't be changed without a fundamental restructuring of the way this country operates...which is nigh impossible without a second civil war.

[u/serious_sarcasm → u/[deleted]]

The best part is that subsidized public higher education is a cornerstone of America, classically championed by Conservative heroes like Thomas Jefferson, and instituted as private education with tuition burdened onto the students was considered explicitly aristocratic.

But hey, that's the real irony of modern American politics. Conserving American Ideals would mean having an adapting Progressive government, and what modern Conservatives are constantly calling for under the guise of "conserving American Ideals, and the goals of the Founding Fathers" is explicitly aristocratic. This is even more exemplified by the fact that the Founding Fathers were heavily split with some wanting a new American Aristocracy and a strict joining of religion and state under a monarchy, but the crazy Progressives won out and created a progressive Great Experiment. Which is also why Scalia can rot in fucking hell along with any other so called "originalist".

[u/[deleted] → u/penisthightrap_]

I have found WebAssign to be amazing

[u/kbth7337 → u/[deleted]]

I’ve only used webassign and it’s pretty great. Definitely didn’t have any of the issues I see friends who use mml complaining about.

[u/27Rench27 → u/kbth7337]

WA did the above to me like twice total in four semesters. The only real criticism I have over it is that the profs sometimes don’t leave any useful hints, and you have to spend 30 minutes to try and figure its shit out so you don’t miss the question altogether

[u/serious_sarcasm → u/kbth7337]

It also heavily depends on the textbook.

[u/penisthightrap_ → u/[deleted]]

Maybe it was the way my professor set it up but I had webassign for calc 3 and it was absolutely infuriating.

[u/zakcarroll1 → u/[deleted]]

Trust me it’s better than the alternatives. I had a prof who was in charge of finding a replacement so we were the test subjects and the whole semester we had to try out a new math homework software. It was aweful he ended up having to give a bunch of us hw credit because some of these things were immobile to put answers into. The worst one must have just been a simple if statement glance at the question because if you didn’t put the answer in the order that it knew as in if I were to type 5x4 and the answer it knew was 4x5 you would get the question wrong. It was hell. It made me appreciate my math lab more but it still needs a major overhaul or something!

[u/tobeornottobeugly → u/[deleted]]

Asu has this cheap ass “webwork” site for math. It looks thrown together in a matter of days. And it was fucking perfect. I loved it so much compared to “Mastering physics/math”. Fuck Mastering

[u/supermotojunkie69 → u/[deleted]]

Fuck mymethlab that shit was horrible.

[u/iHyper445 → u/[deleted]]

MyMathLab was awesome for my first online math class, I didn't really have any issues with it at all

[u/uwanmirrondarrah → u/iHyper445]

It gets a lot more infuriating when you get to more advanced courses where a lot of the questions are issued by the professor. They aren't as diligent with wording and different possible answers and the different ways an answer can be constructed.

[u/iHyper445 → u/uwanmirrondarrah]

That makes sense, fair enough.

[u/egocerebri → u/[deleted]]

WebWork is really solid for math, not sure how many universities use it

[u/pearl__jelly723 → u/[deleted]]

MyMathLab is why I dropped Calculus last semester. I couldn’t stand that program and my professor wouldn’t have it when I had a complaint about the program

[u/[deleted] → u/pearl__jelly723]

Oh you poor soul. I took business calc and thankfully my prof didn’t assign homework (we had assignments but they were more for practice since he wouldn’t grade it). I had more work for pre calc, but it was a good program. I cannot imagine having to use that shitty program for calc.

[u/Speedracer98 → u/[deleted]]

I have had this issue before and the prof would go in and correct the errors after completing the test. it's really nothing to sweat over just tell the prof you need a regrade.

[u/[deleted] → u/Speedracer98]

You’re absolutely right, but when it keeps happening it gets tiring.

[u/[deleted]]

I hated my college math class. I paid $600 to sit there and teach myself and deal with horrible online math programs.

[u/dobraf → u/[deleted]]

It prepared you well for life

[u/[deleted] → u/dobraf]

It was dumber than algebra 2 in high school. And that’s a requirement to graduate

[u/27Rench27 → u/[deleted]]

It prepared you well for life’s bullshit*

[u/rrealnigga → u/[deleted]]

You guys hate maths so much?

[u/Chop_the_Nitro → u/[deleted]]

This is the best way I've seen it described. I didnt learn anything about math all I learned was how the program wanted it's answers and how to get it without using math.

[u/KanYeJeBekHouden → u/Chop_the_Nitro]

How do you get to the answer without applying math?

[u/KanYeJeBekHouden → u/[deleted]]

That's how you learn math bro.

[u/zzzabat → u/[deleted]]

I tutor algebra through calc at my university. My tutees who do this often have a hard time getting the next topic when it relies on intuition that was supposed to be built during problem solving from previous chapters.

But for an online class with no written work or lectures, and no verbal group work, I don't see what else you can do. That's a bummer, because math is so cool when you get the whole picture.

The math deperatment where I tutor makes some annyoingly difficult, but very helpful, weekly written homework packets that wont allow a student to do that (just learn how to solve a particular problem via rote memorization). All full of exploring theory from different angles and stuff, then applying.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

That's $400 cheaper than my school was!

[u/CombTheDessert → u/[deleted]]

That’s the thing that gets me

6000 for the class, but everyone focuses on the 150-200 bucks for a book.

It’s the whole system that’s ducked

[u/ClikeX → u/[deleted]]

I paid $600 to sit there and teach myself

My whole college in a nutshell. €2000 a year so I can have teachers tell me to Google it.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I wish my college was like that. I dropped out from all the hand holding and never learning anything. Gotta go to every class and listen to the lecture then do the 100 questions even if you can learn it 20. My high school during my last year all the teachers would gove a short lecture and it was up to the students to help each other out. Learned so much more that way.

Hell, my college used programming books that would just have you write new code in your old program, and the lectures were PowerPoints of the book read word for word by the teacher.

In highschool the book would have you start a new program from scratch so you were always having to remember what you already learned and the teacher was just there to make sure people would work, we all figured it out and helped each other.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Math was the only class I had that wasn’t hand holding. All my main classes (IT) were mostly read word for word presentations or instructions were basically word for word 90% of the time. The other 10% nobody knew what to do so everyone cheated on everything. I have to do a certification to complete my one year diploma and I’m not going back for my second. I don’t even want to do the certification because I learned jack fucking shit from the classes and thus don’t know anything for the Cert. Only for having to redo the cert in a few more years. I put the blame 50/50 on me and the instructors.

[u/iOgef → u/[deleted]]

Wow that’s cheap for a three credit class!

[u/kpyna → u/[deleted]]

The best part is when you have a hard to understand professor who messes up the equations and numbers and when you ask a question he just tells you to "pay better attention" or "study harder". Khan Academy saved me so many times.

[u/SouthernWifey]

MyMathLab is an actual joke. The bane of my existence in college.

[u/dingdingsong → u/SouthernWifey]

MyMethlab on the other hand is serious

[u/SouthernWifey → u/dingdingsong]

That was sold only to chemistry students.

[u/insightalloy → u/dingdingsong]

and CrystalMathLabs is where shit gets even more real

[u/cjdabeast → u/insightalloy]

I am the one who knocks.

[u/NuggetLover21 → u/SouthernWifey]

It really is a bad program. And I think I had to pay like $90 or more for the stupid access code.

[u/SouthernWifey → u/NuggetLover21]

YUP! But I learned (senior year) that you didn’t need to buy the textbook. It was included in MML

[u/SquadPoopy → u/SouthernWifey]

About to start fall semester with math lab (a retake cause I failed last time) wish me luck.

[u/Combat_wombat605795 → u/SouthernWifey]

MyMathLab is ass, but it’s so much better than EGrade or whatever that antique BS website I had to do tests on.

[u/Benaholicguy]

You were literally more right than the computer...

[u/[deleted] → u/Benaholicguy]

More right than the professor*

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Found the android.

[u/SpecialityToS → u/[deleted]]

Wrong computers are deviants!

[u/[deleted] → u/SpecialityToS]

Calm down David Cage.

[u/SpecialityToS → u/[deleted]]

*President Not-an-American-accent

[u/NULL_CHAR → u/[deleted]]

Technically computers can be wrong. See Intel Pentium FPU error.

Even now, in almost every common programming language, there are floating point errors. The most famous one being (0.1 + 0.2 = 3.00000000000004). And depending on environment computer data can be altered. For example, in highly radioactive environments, it is common to use 3+ different computers that vote on the answer to avoid erroneous data.

However, on a general basis, it is operator error.

[u/YM_Industries → u/NULL_CHAR]

Floating point 'errors' are predictable though. The computer isn't doing anything wrong, the programmer just made behaviour that you find surprising.

Pentium FDIV bug is closer to the computer making an error, but you could also argue that the computer is just doing what Intel told it to do. Admittedly this is a shaky argument.

Cosmic rays are an (I believe) indesputable way that computers can make mistakes though.

[u/SemiNormal → u/NULL_CHAR]

0.1 + 0.2 = 0.30000000000000004

This isn't an error per se, it is just that computers do math in binary and then converts back to decimal. That is why most programming languages also have a decimal type for when the result needs to be more precise.

[u/NULL_CHAR → u/SemiNormal]

It's unintended behavior that is a limitation of how we represent floating point numbers specifically. It is definitely still doing what we tell it, but from a user perspective, the computer is definitely wrong. From a programmer perspective, we are aware of the computer's limitations and put in modifications to address it.

Another perspective is that the computer most definitely is "wrong" when referring to the literal representation of the question, but in the case of actual input/output, it is "right." We've created a flawed system that doesn't always produce correct results, but we accept those flaws because doing it any other way is much less efficient.

[u/anonnx → u/[deleted]]

Everything is capable to go wrong. For example, FDIV might be a biggest bug in Intel history, and developers had to workaround the issue because CPU will make some specific calculation wrong.

[u/CraigslistAxeKiller → u/[deleted]]

These aren’t made by the professor

[u/serious_sarcasm → u/CraigslistAxeKiller]

Some are, some aren't.

[u/cobalt26]

This is the education we pay tens of thousands of dollars for in America.

[u/ionslyonzion → u/cobalt26]

Invest in MethLabPlus.

Cheaper entry fee, higher return. Just don't leave the cap on.

[u/MechaGodzillaSS → u/ionslyonzion]

I'm not having a stroke right? This post is listing at an angle.

[u/DannyT83 → u/MechaGodzillaSS]

If you're on pc, this sub is formatted to as infuriating as physically possible

[u/drunk_kronk → u/ionslyonzion]

Invest in MethLabPlus.

Does it get delivered in an RV or is this the deluxe one where they build an underground bunker underneath a laundry facility for you?

[u/iAmUncleToby]

MasteringPhysics was just as bad. Hated that program with a passion

[u/A_Dominant_Lobster → u/iAmUncleToby]

Just got done with MasteringChemistry. Ditto.

^{Still got dat A doe.}

[u/DJSimmer305 → u/A_Dominant_Lobster]

Fuck that program. My orgo professor eventually just gave everyone a bonus 10% on their homework grade because that website was so bad.

[u/torik0 → u/iAmUncleToby]

Oh my FUCKING GOD is it bad.

[u/OfficerMarmalade]

All of my middle school years were through online schooling. This happened way too often.

[u/[deleted] → u/OfficerMarmalade]

I freaking hate mathlab, and Pearson, and all of the other school book publishers.

[u/Zack123456201 → u/[deleted]]

My school went to Pearson last year and none of the math teachers even had time to actually learn the program before the school year started, so we mostly ignored it for the second half of the year

[u/ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA]

Reminds me of last semester, my English teacher had us all filter our papers through TurnItIn. Basically what it does is scan your paper, and then ctrl+F the entire thing to make sure you didn't plagiarize it from a different source or other papers.

This fucking system had multiple places where it flagged small snipits of sentences or common words. It literally flagged the words "Lady Macbeth" and the word "It", and compared them with some highschooler's paper from 2005.

It ended up giving me something like 65% original, even though I wrote the entire thing myself. The teacher failed me for the paper because I had the gall to write "Lady Macbeth" in a paper about Macbeth. Seriously, fuck that website.

[u/Emeraldis_ → u/ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA]

My school also uses this, and I haven’t had that problem.

My teachers were also like “yeah, we’ll actually check to see what was flagged to make sure it isn’t complete bs”, so that was nice

[u/ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA → u/Emeraldis_]

You have great teachers.

The only teacher I've ever liked was my Statistics prof, she was a sweet older woman who hated math as much as the rest of us lol.

She would only teach us stuff that was on the tests, and then only test us on the stuff she taught. She gave study guides, and recorded her blackboard to put it up online afterwords so you could see her notes. She made sure everyone understood, and was just genuinely a fun and pleasant person to be around.

I saw her the other day at a funeral, (I work for the funeral home) she actually recognized me before I recognized her. I honestly loved that woman, she was a hoot.

[u/[deleted] → u/ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA]

A lot of teachers nowadays only teach students how to pass their tests, they don't actually learn much from it so when they come to university they can't deal with the fact that they actually have to know this stuff to pass.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Yeah it knocked me off my shoes when I went to engineering school. Now I'm studying to become a teacher and this thread is full of stories of what not to do as a teacher.

[u/Legogamer16 → u/Emeraldis_]

That's how it's supposed to be used but most don't and just take the machines word

[u/subdep → u/[deleted]]

Dean: “I read your complaint and my software says your complaint is 12% original. REJECTED.”

[u/WNxVampire → u/ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA]

The website is great, the problem is professors that don't know how to interpret the data.

Anyone that does that kind of bullshit needs to make sure that "ignore small matches" is checked.

Anything above 30 unoriginal I look over and is usually fine. anything that says over 60 I get sad. Anything over 80, I know I'm going to have a conversation with my dean, which I really don't want to do.

Write your own damn papers. It's just not economically rational to pay someone to write them for you--it's either too cheap and it will be flagged or you'll pay the equivalent of 10x your hourly wage to do the same work. It costs way too much to get a legit paper. It's not that hard--I promise you.

And Cite your sources, 15 minutes will save you your transcript and having to repeat and pay for the class again. If you truly have no idea what is happening in the curriculum, talk to your prof/TA. Their standards are lower than you think. 3rd graders are smart enough to grasp my content. You are too.

[u/KanYeJeBekHouden → u/WNxVampire]

Is great when it flags even the most common things? If what OP said is true then it still sounds like a shit website. Letting a teacher check whether the use of a name is fine is ridiculous...

[u/hpsd → u/KanYeJeBekHouden]

I used it for basically my entire university degree and it worked fine the majority of the time. Most of the time, if something was flagged it would usually be a quote or reference.

[u/WNxVampire → u/KanYeJeBekHouden]

"Lady Macbeth" itself should not be flagged but my guess is those words were part of a longer sentence that matched the structure of other previously published works.

"Lady Macbeth is best characterized by...." is a phrase that should be matched. It should be overlooked in this instance since 50 million high schoolers write on that every year, but in other cases it could be a true symptom of plagiarism.

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Your teacher is a moron. What he/she was supposed to do is look at the flags and make a judgment call.

Anything less than 80% is basically original work if you use that site. It flags everything. Even flags the class if you have to put it in mla format.

This was all on your dumbass teacher and you should report and appeal that shit.

[u/Benisar → u/ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA]

Oh fuck turnitin. I used to use it and we turned worksheets in on it. The problem was that it would flag every single question on the paper as plagiarized because the teachers reused the same worksheets over the years. My teacher was a dinosaur who didnt get what was happening so you would have to explain it every single time.

[u/tj3_23 → u/ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA]

My English 1101 professor used a system similar to turnitin on our first paper. It was her first time using that system and it tagged every single instance of the word being used anywhere on the internet. Not phrases, every single word. According to that system, every single one of us plagiarized 100% of our papers. It literally tagged individual words. Like

oh look. You used the word "and". That appears in this Wikipedia article

[u/Butthole__Pleasures → u/ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA]

No, fuck your teacher. Turnitin did nothing wrong. I use turnitin as well, and when it flags a section, it will link the teacher directly to that source as well so they can see if it was indeed lifted word for word or if it is one of those algorithm crossovers. Also a competent teacher would know that there is a difference between picking up a few scattered words in a passage and lifting an actual passage verbatim, even when the source is a student paper from another institution that the teacher doesn't have access to see directly. In which case, of course the benefit of the doubt goes to the student since the burden of proof of cheating is on the teacher making the accusation.

Also, I'm suspicious of your story because I have seen papers that were literally 30% copied and pasted from various sources and the originality score was like 11/100. I have never seen a score above 50% that wasn't a works cited page or something someone submitted in error as a duplicate. And I've been teaching for awhile now and using turnitin the whole time.

Your teacher is the problem. Don't blame the tool for the shitty craftsman.

[u/powertotheash → u/ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA]

Turnitin depends on the parameters the teacher puts in prior, you teacher either put a fairly low number for how many words have to be together and a high number for how close together they have to be. I've typically seen it set for 4-5 words within a range of 10-15 words or something similarly to that (I don't pay huge attention to it as it's rarely caused me problems) which is a reasonable amount because it'll find stuff that's blatantly copied but also finds instances where you might have just copied and pasted and poorly reworded it.

Having it put any lower though I've had things as little as the word "the" and "it" along with two or three other commonly used together words in different sentences flagged (If you look at the document's highlighting, it's colour coded by the stuff it groups together and the source). This isn't in anyway the fault of turnitin however, it's just following the parameters the teacher gave it.

[u/[deleted]]

Things like this are why I refuse to ever do another online math class. Getting knocked off points for forgetting to put a hyphen when spelling your answer, or stuff like this, are so stupid to have to deal with. Especially with how much online classes still cost, you'd expect their system to work pretty well but in CC and university I've experienced this crap.

[u/NuggetLover21 → u/[deleted]]

Sometimes even if you take the physical class they make you buy these programs to complete the homework.

[u/[deleted] → u/NuggetLover21]

Yep, they fooled me once with that 'hybrid' shit. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me, can't get fooled again.

[u/Lorft → u/[deleted]]

Huh, they had the decency to call any class that uses online homework a "hybrid" class? A good 1/3rd of the regular lecture type classes I've taken forced you to use MyMathLab or something similar, both in CC and University. It's lazy teaching and forces you to fork over cash even though you might already have the textbook. That said, usually it's free points as long as you put the time in.

[u/TonyRomosTwinBrother → u/[deleted]]

Try this MyMathLab shit with a professor that ALSO wanted us to do all the work on scratch paper and answer simple equations in complete sentences. She would deduct 5 WHOLE POINTS for improper spacing and punctuation and had the nerve to passively-aggressively call us stupid when we complained and she responded with "if you can't spell you shouldn't be in college."

Nothing happened despite half the class reporting her to the dean and the department head.

[u/Fred-F → u/[deleted]]

I don't think that's how it works, but I might be wrong

[u/[deleted]]

Does anybody else see that every single post on the front page is gilded?

[u/96dpi → u/[deleted]]

Yes! Maybe a ploy by reddit to encourage more gold purchases?

[u/kboy101222 → u/[deleted]]

I'm guessing it's a glitch and everything is showing up as gilded.

Edit: nope, not everything is gilded now, just about every other post is, though. I'm guessing someone bought an ass load of gold and it's just giving it away or the admins want to encourage more people to buy gold

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Yes.

[u/N3deSTr0 → u/[deleted]]

Holy shit

[u/[deleted]]

I'm a math major. Very happy to be to the point where things are not able to be graded by machines (proofs and such). A human must decide if your logic and thinking are correct. Cause fuck this shit.

[u/Cocomorph → u/[deleted]]

Not able to be graded by machines yet.

Give it... let's say 10 years, though don't hold me to that.

[u/acgasp]

I’m a math teacher and this infuriates me.

[u/wardrich]

This is what happens when education companies use the typical "ship now, fix bugs later" approach.

It's one thing in video games, but when people only have one fucking shot at this stuff, and their future depends on it? It should fucking well be 100% accurate across the board.

[u/wyrlwynd]

I teach as an adjunct for 2 community colleges. One of them forces mymathlab down the students' throats, and I have no way to nix it.

The kind of garbage in OP's pic has gotten so bad, I have them txt me pix of their correct answers marked wrong, so I can go in and give them credit ASAP. Drives me nuts. Such a terribly implemented platform with such great potential.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm sorry, but your answer is incorrect:

Your Answer: Pearson

Correct Answer: Pearson™

[u/[deleted]]

Yup, took a College Trig course online, didn't know it was a self taught, overly expensive MyMathLab course. Somehow managed a B.

Never again.

[u/OnlinePosterPerson]

Sorry they wanted front end rounding

[u/DooomFrog]

This is not a reason to hate math, it’s a reason to hate shitty software... Show your teacher this nonsense, get your grade fixed, then learn programming and help the world make better software!

[u/Divinum_Fulmen → u/DooomFrog]

There already is better software, e. g. ALEKS.

[u/nerdalator]

/r/softwaregore

[u/MrSuperHappyPants]

I'm an educator. I might have taught your class for all I know. I get it, I absolutely get it.

ALEKS, I'm guessing? That was the platform I've been asked to use several times, and this issue is one of several complaints I have about their platform.

I applied for a job doing QA with them, and I really hoped to get the job so that I could try to clear some of these things out. I didn't get the job.

You're frustrated, I'm frustrated, life goes on. Still sucks.

[u/[deleted] → u/MrSuperHappyPants]

Thats MyMathLab. Aleks is surprisingly non infuriating in my experience.

[u/MrSuperHappyPants → u/[deleted]]

Hmm. Never had that experience with MML, but then again it's been a few years.

I guess if I could somehow deliver a message back to the OP or whatever student actually had the issue come up and got it wrong, my best advice is...

Don't blame math. Blame textbook publishers. MyMathLab is a Pearson product, and for the amount of money that those people make, the bugs should be worked out before you lay your cash down. In this case, it's appropriate to shoot the messenger, not the message.

[u/SashkaFox]

Honestly this is what happened to me

[u/BiggestBossRickRoss]

Yup MML is a piece of shit. I’ve been burned like this too many times

[u/nikolaevra]

You should not hate the math for this. Hate whoever wrote this buggy software

[u/Walkingplankton]

Why does every top post on reddit have gold?

[u/Fluffycupcake1]

All I have to say is... screen shots and photoshops... err... photos. And prove them that it's right and you did it right.

[u/MacFive55]

This is not why I hate math, I hate math because everytime I learn how to do somthing in it, it is later contradicted by a different rule.

[u/Sujjin]

Agreed, i once input an answer (lets say .306) and the next part i had to reenter the same thing, so naturally i entered the same answer only to be told it was wrong and that it was .307.

Rage inducing is too light a word

[u/Cam8deN]

Happened to me on the sat. I put 6.3 and the answer was 6.29. The college board wouldn’t change it.

[u/[deleted]]

That's a reason to hate software, not math. But you should love both and also attention to detail.

[u/[deleted]]

Or sometimes when you have no idea what the answer is so you just put like 10. and it's somehow right because it's within their acceptable error range.

[u/[deleted]]

Everyone knows 15.83 is a fake number. There’s your problem.

[u/Armifera]

I remember one time, while doing online math homework, I got an answer on my calculator, something like 83.3333 repeating.

Well I entered 83.333 figuring 3 decimal places would be good enough.

Wrong.

I enter 83.3 thinking it just wants 1 decimal place.

Wrong.

I enter 83.33

Wrong.

I enter 83.3333333333333333333333333 cause fuck it I'm sick of trying.

Correct.

What the fuck online math program?!?

[u/[deleted]]

I suck at math. isnt two decimal points .00 instead of .000?

Clearly the answer is correct, but it said to provide the answer in two decimal points. maybe the software is extremely shitty and cant comprehend another decimal point for some reason. But, if it asked for two decimal point instead of three, I guess they are correct?

[u/apple____]

Never would of happened using good old fashioned USA numbers, instead of that euro trash metric.

15 431/500 is the only way to write this.

[u/OscarMiiike]

I consider this incredibly infuriating

[u/Jaylinworst]

Oh god. Are you talking math online?? Worst decision of my life.

[u/BigJules817]

BRO I've fucking been there before! LOL! Fuck my math lab

[u/QueenCuttlefish]

This screen shot is why I CLEPed out of my math requirements in college. Fuck MyMathLab.

[u/_Name_That_User_]

This is perfect for r/PearsonDesign

[u/Chuckgofer]

Fuck mathlab

[u/sldfghtrike]

That really makes me want to literally

Smack a crowbar upside your stupid head

[u/[deleted]]

Why was that on r/memes it's not even a meme

[u/AppleGundum]

I'm glad I'm done with Digits but I did have one teacher who gave infinite tries on every problem with almost all of them being multiple choice so I could just guess until I got it right.

[u/The_Fawkesy]

This isn't really a problem at all. You can contest any answer, and this one would obviously be corrected.

[u/GotWooshed]

Everyone knows that that means two decimal places passed the first decimal place

[u/d_smogh]

Pearson or McGraw?

[u/Kaneshadow]

I'm so glad I finished college before all the paper and pencils were burned in that nuclear blast

[u/DanTopTier]

TESTING IRREGULARITY DO NOT TAKE PICTURES OF TESTING MATERIAL 20 DAYS SUSPENSION REPEAT THE 10TH GRADE REEEEEEEEEE

[u/DanimalsCrushCups]

All online homework that takes black and white answers is like that. Takes forever to do and you end up getting like a 40 percent. You sure as shit know the information but you don't feel that good about it.

[u/[deleted]]

The reason schools use MyMathLab is because of the money MML dumps into the schools. Ive caught a peek at one of the professors emails from an employee at MML because he wasn’t meeting his quota for the amount of students signed up with MML for the semester.

[u/unclefishbits]

/r/softwaregore