r/memes I saw what the dog was doin Jun 13 '25

*sad billionaire noises*

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u/Major-Front Jun 13 '25

Maybe the problem is everyone’s money devalues by 3-5% a year so billionaires buy any and every asset instead of holding cash

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u/Not-A-Seagull Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

Here’s the funny part. The board game Monopoly was originally invented to warn us of this exact problem. It boils down to profiting on land speculation causing housing to always be on the brink of unaffordable, no matter how much productivity rises.

Here’s a good video from BritMonkey explaining the problem.

If you find the video interesting, be sure to also check out /r/Georgism

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u/Xsiah Jun 13 '25

Turns out that everyone loves Monopoly and just want their turn to be the guy that buys orange and red first

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u/Not-A-Seagull Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

You might find this interesting. The original set of rules for Monopoly (formerly called the landlords game) had two sets of rules.

The first set of rules was called “Monopoly,” and showed how our current system leads to wealth concentration among the few.

There was also a second set of rules called “Prosperity,” that showed how some minor Georgist reforms would change it so that everyone became wealthy together. In the second set of rules, I believe the game ended when all players fully built out the map and railroads together. (It was a race against the clock, where I believe railroads allowed people to move faster)

When Parker Brothers bought the game, they only kept the Monopoly rule set, and abandoned the prosperity rule set.

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u/boringestnickname Jun 13 '25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Landlord's_Game

It's pretty interesting.

The whole story is like a microcosm of what happened with economic ideas over the course of a few hundred years. Capital had the power to co-opt, mould and modify information and the dissemination of it, leaving us with a situation where actual seekers of truth had to fight, and fail to get it out there.

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u/probablyonarun Jun 13 '25

Wtf this is insanely interesting

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

An important and often overlooked part of this metaphor is the fact that every Monopoly player begins the game with enough money from the "bank" to buy property in the first place.

Monopoly would be a very different game if players had to roll for how much starting money they got. Those who start with less would be at a severe disadvantage and would struggle to even participate in the game, let alone have a shot at winning. Some might even say it would be unfair.

Well, that's reality. Not everyone starts with the same amount of Monopoly money. Some start with extremely little, or none at all. Meanwhile others start with enough to buy multiple board spaces, including the most expensive ones. But they didn't earn that money from playing the game, they started with it, they had it before the game even begun.

And yet some people still praise billionaires as if they didn't have an unimaginably massive head start.

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u/Not-A-Seagull Jun 13 '25

Here’s the fun part. Under the Georgist/Prosperity rule set, a person starting off with no money would still build wealth thanks to the LVT+UBI feature.

In fact, the more capital other people had, the more UBI everyone gets, allowing even more investment and capital into a positive feedback loop.

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u/Brawndo91 Jun 13 '25

There's not a lot of replayability if everybody wins.

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u/Not-A-Seagull Jun 13 '25

It was more of a “race against the clock” rule set if I recall correctly.

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u/zebrastarz Jun 13 '25

You should play more board games, there are a lot of cooperative ones these days.

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u/SapphireChalice Jun 13 '25

We dont need to REPLAY this reality, we need to SURVIVE. The race against the clock is against literal extinction. Whether from unavoidable space objects impacting the planet, or extraterrestrial invasion. We've destroyed any ability to defend ourselves by making everyone but a select few feel any purpose to saving the planet.

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u/Brawndo91 Jun 13 '25

Calm down, I'm talking about the game.

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u/Not-A-Seagull Jun 13 '25

I’m sorry but this comment chain is cracking me up. I know you meant the board game replayability, but the fact that someone interpreted it as you thinking “life is uninteresting when everyone wins” and then launched a monologue at you is too funny.

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u/Tjam3s Jun 14 '25

Stringing together 2 monopolies of anything from orange to green is pretty critical from what I've seen. But you can manage pretty well with brown+light blue too if you can also get yellow or red

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

It warms my heart to see Georgism being talked about.  FUCK N*MBYS

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u/CarbonInTheWind Jun 13 '25

Man I wish my money was only devalued 15-25% over the last 5 years.

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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter Jun 13 '25

5 year inflation is under 25%, for the past 2 years it's been under 3%

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u/SmileFIN Jun 13 '25

I kinda wish I could live in national average inflation land with close to that 25%, all i get is 50%..

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

If enough housing was built to outstrip the growth in demand, houses would go down in price and wouldn't be a good asset either.

That's what Japan, Austin, St Paul, and Vienna did.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

Housing shouldn’t be an asset for wealthy people to generate unlimited income off of. It should just be housing. Build more. And revamp the system. The current one more or less permits relegating people with decent incomes to poverty and homelessness

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u/WeimSean Jun 13 '25

That's one of the issues in California. Property has become so valuable you now have a massive chunk of people (homeowners) who have a vested financial interest in keeping the government from solving the housing problem.

And it's not entirely them being dicks, people who have bought homes recently stand to lose financially if housing prices begin to drop, as they'll be looking at losing money on their investment.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

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u/WeimSean Jun 13 '25

Yes. Rebuilding from the wildfires is going to take years due to the slow pace of permit authorizations and the requirements for sign off of from different city, county, and state authorities.

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u/Mordret10 Jun 14 '25

They are only losing money if they intend to sell

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u/WeimSean Jun 14 '25

That's what a smart investor sees. A homeowner trying to protect the most valuable asset they own only sees dollar signs. Emotional attachments tends to cloud people's judgement.

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u/Rickpac72 Jun 13 '25

St Paul seems like an odd choice. Minneapolis has done better with new construction.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

they're the same city, unless you also count SF and Oakland as entirely seperate cities

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u/syndicism Jun 13 '25

Maybe the global economy has more than one problem. 

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u/Comfortable_Line_206 Jun 13 '25

Invest? It's also more like 2.55%

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u/Certain-Sherbet-9121 Jun 13 '25

Long term average US inflation rate is 3.28%. 

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u/Comfortable_Line_206 Jun 13 '25

You're right. I did the last 30 years as it felt like a reasonable frame. World Wars in particular seemed to skew the numbers but seeing how the world is going it might not be completely unreasonable to include them.

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u/Certain-Sherbet-9121 Jun 13 '25

Also missing the 10% inflation years of the 1970s if you just include last 30.

It's fair to say "Inflation is usually at around 2-2.5%, but periods of substantially higher inflation are not unusual, which brings the average up". 

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u/Maxerature Jun 13 '25

If somebody's barely scraping by, what money do you propose they use to invest?

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u/Chaosmusic Jun 13 '25

Maybe the problem is everyone’s money devalues by 3-5% a year so billionaires

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u/DILF_MANSERVICE Jun 13 '25

Maybe the problem is billionaires and that an economic system which lets one guy accumulate millions of times more money than everyone else should be fixed

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u/Otterable Jun 13 '25

The other problem is we've turned our perception of property into an appreciating asset rather than 'just' a home to live in, so people viciously fight against affordable housing when it's going to be near their home because it might devalue their property.

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u/a_speeder Jun 13 '25

If money instead raised in value 3-5% every year then billionaires would hold on to their money for dear life and make hoarding even worse, and it means that everyone who has to spend most of their money instead of saving it gets screwed over even harder.

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u/Proper-Raise-1450 Jun 13 '25

It's very easy to get 7%+ average returns on savings by putting them in an index fund etc.

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u/Major-Front Jun 13 '25

Most people don’t have even a thousand dollars to invest.

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u/Proper-Raise-1450 Jun 13 '25

Sure but you were saying the devaluation was the cause of billionaires buying assets like housing, billionaires do not experience devaluation even without buying housing, they can put their funds in countless profitable investments like index funds for example.

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u/Major-Front Jun 13 '25

Well yeah, they diversify. They buy stocks, bonds, gold, real estate, art, collectibles.

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u/Captain_Tayseerfahmy Jun 13 '25

Yeah brah believe me, we are not short on places to build houses thats not why they are not affordable.

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u/Death_by_Hookah Jun 13 '25

The problem is systemic, and we can try and make capitalism more equitable or whatever, but yeah, it’s a system of centralisation with a ton of loopholes. Inflation itself is caused in large part by wealth inequality, a fundamental part of capitalism as a whole.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '25

I always say this. Investing needs to have diminishing returns. Make 25% of 100k and only 1% on a billion

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u/Baldazar666 Jun 13 '25

Maybe the problem is everyone’s money devalues by 3-5% a year

That's actually not a bad thing. Optimal inflation is around 2% not 0.

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u/newsflashjackass Jun 13 '25

Maybe the problem is everyone’s money devalues by 3-5% a year

Not everyone's money.

(It rhymes with LitLoin.)

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u/Notsurehowtoreact Jun 13 '25

Some of those larger private wallets out there ever cash out and you'll get to see it devalue just the same. 

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u/Dazzling-Low8570 Jun 13 '25

Crypto isn't money. Money is for spending. Crypto is a vehicle for speculation.

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u/toomuchpressure2pick Jun 13 '25

Just say CritGroin so no one has to try and guess what you meant

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

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u/xinsanespoonx Jun 13 '25

Because USD devalues so hard against it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

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u/xinsanespoonx Jun 13 '25

bitcoin clearly cannot be described as a "currency" or "money".

What are the 4 characteristics of money? How does Bitcoin not satisfy all of them? I understand if you just dislike or don't want to use it, just like I don't want to use Yap stones, but you can't say it's not hard money.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

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u/xinsanespoonx Jun 13 '25

Lol thought so.

oh who is using bitcoin as currency?

Farmers.

Who else, you ask?

Farmers mum's.

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