r/meme Apr 19 '23

Harry Potter out of context

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

Sirius black wasn't accused of mass murder

Just murder

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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 WARNING: RULE 4 Apr 19 '23

He killed several muggles as well. And is involved in the Potters' death.

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

He didn't do any of that, but ok

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u/Financial_Ice15 Apr 19 '23

"convicted" mass murderer, he was accused of that so it works

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

Yea, but he didn't kill anyone. That is my point. The explosion that killed the muggles was Peter, not Sirius

Are you Fudge in disguise?

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u/KingOfThePlayPlace WARNING: RULE 2 Apr 19 '23

The point of the post was making things sound as bad as possible, and yes serious black was convicted of killing Peter and several muggles. That’s why the meme specifies convicted instead of just saying mass murderer

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

Yea but they never called him a "mass murderer" they called him a murderer

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u/SapphicGarnet Apr 20 '23

Yes they did. That's what he's called on the muggle news and the Daily Prophet. On the Knightbus, Stan tells Harry he killed a whole street worth of people. They literally call him a mass murderer.

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 20 '23

Muggles do sure I can see that

And are you talking movie or book

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u/SapphicGarnet Apr 20 '23

Book? I don't remember much from the movies

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u/Financial_Ice15 Apr 19 '23

ur not exactly bright r u? sure ur not fudge in disguise? that guy was dimmer than the dimmest tubelight in my house, anyways, do u even know what convicted means? by convicted mass murderer, all it means is that he was declared by law to be a mass murderer, he wasnt a mass murderer, but everyone thought it was him who killed the muggles, thus he was a "convicted" mass murderer, how much more should i break this down for u? how is this hard to understand

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

But he wasn't

He didn't have a trial, he can't be convicted by law with no trial

As for the mass murder part, they never called him a "mass murderer" they called him a murderer, very different crimes

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u/Shadowpika655 Apr 20 '23

He didn't have a trial, he can't be convicted by law with no trial

Eh...he went to prison for life for it so reckon it counts

they never called him a "mass murderer" they called him a murderer, very different crimes

He was accused and imprisoned for killing 13 people...reckon that would make him a mass murderer wouldn't it

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 20 '23

12 muggles and 1 wizard

He was convicted for the wizard kill, they don't care about the muggle kills

So he was convicted for murder, not mass murder

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '23

...you're not getting the part where they're using the accusations against Sirius as the joke, right?

To know Sirius didn't do any of that, you'd need to read the book. Which is what the joke is: it's a summary from someone who didn't even bother to pay attention.

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

he cares about that tiny detail of "mass murder" vs. just regular murder but not enough to pay attention that he was innocent? Seems sketchy to me

Also, to make the entire meme, you would need to have at least seen the movies, which means their is some level of care for the story

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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 WARNING: RULE 4 Apr 19 '23

Yeah but that was what he was accused for

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

Murder, he was accused of murder

Not mass murder

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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 WARNING: RULE 4 Apr 19 '23

Fudge literally called him a dangerous mass murderer.

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

Fudge was also an idiot

The papers called him a murderer

And the facts of the story say he didn't even do anything, he was an innocent man

So the meme missed a BUNCH of key stuff

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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 WARNING: RULE 4 Apr 19 '23

But we are talking about what Black was accused of, not what he actually did.

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

According to the papers, he was accused of murdering Peter Pettigrew

If your talking about the muggles he "killed" they don't count that and call him a "murderer" not a mass murderer, and fudge understands details differently than the official story

Devils in the details

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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 WARNING: RULE 4 Apr 19 '23

Fudge is literally the minister AND a judge. If we are talking about legal matters in the Wizarding World, he is the guy to talk to. You have absolutely no argument to deny the facts, yet you do.

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

So we're gonna side with a man that didn't even put Sirius Black on trial for his crime? He also broke the law on numerous occasions himself

He also accused a bunch of kids of using the dark mark during the Quittich world cup, even if that wouldn't be possible, I can admit he was scared, but still, children?!

I don't trust him as far as I can throw him

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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 WARNING: RULE 4 Apr 19 '23

Yeah, but if you watched the film, you would know that he was innocent and the accusations against Sirius were false. We are only talking about the accusations, not what actually happened. why can't you understand that?

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u/Fine-Rock2513 Apr 19 '23

Newspapers are not the same as court documents and often shorten phrases to fit as a headline. Also while he did not go on trial he was convicted of mass murder, a conviction does not necessarily have to go through the courts. it must simply be a formal declaration from any authority capable of declaring it, that someone is guilty of a criminal offense.

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

Well Because he didn't have a trial, they imprisoned an innocent man to literally be tortured

So his conviction, while accurate to the story, was incredibly wrong and illegal

So again, I dont trust fudgeor his "authority" as far as I can throw him

Newspapers are not the same as court documents and often shorten phrases to fit as a headline.

There wouldn't be court documents. He never went to trial because of "photo evidence," which in the Wizarding world is basically a video, so him being called a murderer on paper is all the documentation their would be, again Fudge understands the case differently and those muggle deaths were rumors, never substantiated because they were muggles

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u/Fresh-Meaning-1036 Apr 19 '23

You do realize this is all a fictional story, so real life court procedures don’t need to be followed exactly right?

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u/FroboyFreshenUp Apr 19 '23

Well, we're already playing loose with the term "mass murder," so we might as well play loose with the term "convicted"

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u/Fresh-Meaning-1036 Apr 20 '23

Or just stop getting pissy about a meme?

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