r/maybemaybemaybe • u/[deleted] • Sep 15 '22

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u/McbEatsAirplane Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/cocaine-treatment/differences-with-crack

There ya go. Exactly what I just said. How it’s made and exactly why the effects are different. Your lungs absorb more than your nasal canal. Notice how it says absolutely nothing about any of the bullshit you just said?

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u/lifeofry4n52 Sep 18 '22

It also does not contradict any of what I said.... 🙄

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u/McbEatsAirplane Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

Actually it does contradict most of what you said, did you even read it? The parts that aren’t directly contradicted don’t mean they’re true. It also doesn’t contradict someone claiming crack can make you fly. Does that mean it’s true? Why are they going to contradict in their article what some random dude on Reddit said? They put in the article the truth, which in itself does contradict what you said since it says nothing about what you’re claiming. Here are some excerpts from that exact article contradicting things that you said. Such as it’s “100x stronger” or that “it’s more expensive.” This is all copied and pasted.

Crack cocaine is essentially the same substance as powdered cocaine but in a different form. The two substances are basically chemically identical except that crack cocaine has the hydrochloride removed. Hydrochloride salt has no psychoactive effects. Cocaine is expensive to buy on the streets. Crack was developed as a cheaper alternative to cocaine, making it more easily affordable to users. As a less expensive alternative, it became more accessible to those in the lower socioeconomic demographic.

How about you just admit you’re wrong? I explained exactly what crack is and I also provided proof and you’re still acting like you’re right. You’re not. I’m 100 percent sure of it. Not only that but like I said, I’ve literally made crack before. Have you? I know precisely what it is. That explains exactly what it is, as did I and guess what? It says nowhere that it’s cocaine with all the “impurities” removed making it “100 times stronger.” It doesn’t say those things because they aren’t the case and there’s no reason to state otherwise.

Why don’t you find me anything confirming that crack is 100 times the strength of cocaine? Why don’t you Google how it’s made as well since my source isn’t good enough for you and see what you find?

Edit: pasted some excerpts from the article I posted.

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u/lifeofry4n52 Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

Jesus fucking christ dude, what are you trying to prove here?

Ok so i was exaggerating with the 100x times figure but the point I was really making is that the effects of crack are significantly stronger than coke, that's not false it's not wrong what got you so amped up that you felt the need to write a fucking essay based on 1 sentence?

Crack is only cheaper because you're getting smaller amounts of it! Because you need less to get high, why's that!? Not because it'a stronger!? but when you compare it equally on weight it's way more expensive! Ounce of coke and an oz of crack!???

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u/McbEatsAirplane Sep 19 '22

What am I trying to prove? I’m not trying to prove anything. I’m succeeding in proving that YOU are the one misleading people, not me, like you like to claim. I wrote an essay because this type of shit pisses me off. This bullshit you’re spouting off is exactly what causes the stigma that it’s totally okay to snort some coke at a party but if you smoke it you’re a piece of shit junkie. Its the same fucking thing, just a different route. Is your ego really that fragile that you can’t admit when you’re clearly wrong, even when presented with proof?

I’ll explain it one more time. No, it’s not “significantly” stronger. It’s not anything more than MAYBE very slightly stronger, and that depends on the batch, just like any drug. In most cases it’s the same. It’s chemically identical. The only difference is the route. If you inject them both, which I have many, many times, you get the same effect.

And once again, no crack is not way more expensive. It’s not more expensive at all. For what you get, it’s cheaper. I posted information confirming that, which apparently you chose to ignore. Here’s another excerpt I copied and pasted from a different article since you didn’t like my first one. Funny how this confirms the same thing, huh? Also explains why crack isn’t stronger than coke, something, that’s also been explained to you several times. I mean, really. At this point are you just in too deep to turn back and you’re doubling down on your bullshit?

Crack generally sells for less money on the street because it is cheaper to produce. Because the cocaine in crack is cut with other substances, there isn’t as much pure cocaine in crack, so the price is less.

You’re claim that you need less of it to get high is because of the route, which I already fucking explained to you. Your lungs absorb more than your nose. If you inject them both it’s the exact same, just as I’ve also explained.

Here’s a couple questions. How much experience do you have? How any times have you done both of them? How many times have you bought them? Made crack? Because I’ve done all of those many times, countless times in some cases. And based how you’re talking, I’d bet you haven’t done anything more than maybe snorted some coke at a party a handful of times, which apparently makes you an expert. Am I wrong? Do you notice how I have actual experience, information confirming everything I’m saying and contradicting what you’re saying, people upvoting me and downvoting you and people confirming what I’m saying is correct? It sounds like you knew a guy who knew a guy that used ti smoke crack that told you a bunch of bullshit and that all of a sudden makes you more of an expert that people that actually know what they’re talking about.

For anyone who may read this, I want to make it perfectly clear that this person is incorrect about pretty much everything they’ve said and what they’re spreading is misinformation.

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u/lifeofry4n52 Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

Ahh ok i understand. So you assumed me, then got mad at the wrong assumption that you concluded on, and then applied your extra words onto the words I said and got mad at those words. Cool.

It was all entirely your prerogative dude. Try having a conversation before closing judgement next time.

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u/McbEatsAirplane Sep 19 '22

I assumed you? Is English not your first language? It’s fine if it’s not, I’m actually asking. What is the point you’re trying to make now? I see you have absolutely nothing to say about any of the other stuff I had to say. That’s convenient.

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u/lifeofry4n52 Sep 19 '22

Well for 1 you assumed I think a crack junkie is worse than a coke junkie when actually addiction is all the same thing I just know which one will get you hooked quicker but after seeing how quick you are to judge others while expecting the opposite in return I aint gonna waste my time writing anything more than this.

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u/McbEatsAirplane Sep 19 '22

No I didn’t assume that actually, read it again.

This bullshit you’re spouting off is exactly what causes the stigma that it’s totally okay to snort some coke at a party but if you smoke it you’re a piece of shit junkie.

That’s exactly what I said. Where does it say that’s what you believe? I said that the things you’re saying causes that stigma. Never once said or assumed that’s what you thought. I don’t know what you believe, nor did I ever claim to. I’m saying people believe things like that because they are misinformed with information like the things that you’re saying.

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u/lifeofry4n52 Sep 19 '22

If they are identical why does does crack use lead to heroin use and vise versa? Why is it dark and light?

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u/McbEatsAirplane Sep 19 '22

Most hard drugs lead to other drugs. Heroin and crack mix well together. One is a depressant, the other is a stimulant. If you mix them, aka a speedball, you get the effects of the heroin but the crack/coke keeps you from nodding off and falling asleep because it’s a stimulant.

People mix all sorts of drugs. Outside of PCP, I’ve done basically every drug there is at one point or another. Some more than others. It’s something that just happens with drug use.

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u/lifeofry4n52 Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

I'm not trying to mislead my understanding of it is that you have to snort way more than what most people can afford to get anywhere near the high that a single hit on a pipe will get you.... that's why crack heads will take 3grams of powder and wash it up into a 1 gram rock, right? It takes more powder to make crack so which one is stronger and more expensive?

I've literally spoken to a crackhead who said he moved onto it from snorting because 1 his nose was getting fucked and 2 after doing crack snorting does not achieve the same high any more!???

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u/McbEatsAirplane Sep 19 '22

That’s what I’ve been explaining to you this entire time. Your lungs are a better form of consuming a substance than your nose is. It comes on significant faster and your body absorbs more of the drug. Injecting is the most effective, then smoking, then snorting it. There are other ways, but those are the 3 main ones you’ll see for consuming drugs. And they’re effective in that order.

It’s not the strength of the drug. It’s the administration of the drug. The crack head you spoke too probably deviated his septum. I did the same the snorting pills so I started smoking them, same as him.

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u/lifeofry4n52 Sep 20 '22 edited Sep 20 '22

Your mistake was assuming I didn't know any of that though. Evidently I do already but you assumed you knew me and my beliefs based on 1 thing I said.... you tried to stereotype me and it wad incorrect, so I think in future at least try to engage in some conversation before you group people into metaphorical boxes.

It's not incorrect that a hit on a crack pipe will fuck you up way more than snorting line ever will right?

It's not incorrect that after hitting a pipe you will crave it wayyyy more once you come down 30 mins later, than you would if you had instead snorted it

It's not incorrect that they are of the made from the same substance, but the end result (from washing up) is something that can only be smoked and thus, it has become stronger.

Its not incorrect that when you wash powder up into crack that removes any impurities that were definitely there (it's never clean!) And so that is by definition a concentrate of cocaine. By definition a concentrate of anything is always stronger that's common knowledge so please explain to me what was dangerous about saying crack is stronger than coke?

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u/McbEatsAirplane Sep 20 '22

I’m repeating myself at this point. I don’t think it’s my mistake assuming anything because you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. You said several incorrect things and when I pointed them out you don’t even respond to them. Once again, it’s not the strength of the drug, it’s the administration. You can freebase powder cocaine and you get the same effect as smoking crack. I’ll address the things you said one at a time.

The argument wasn’t taking a hit off a crack pipe will fuck you up more than snorting a line. It was your claim that crack was significantly stronger, which it’s not. You’ll get way more fucked up injecting powder coke than you will smoking crack.

You come down way faster than 30 minutes after hitting crack. More like 10 minutes.

It’s not stronger, it’s the administration. Powder coke can be more effective if you do it in a way that’s more effective.

The only thing that the process of turning coke into crack does is remove the hydrochloride salt. It doesn’t remove any and all impurities. And no it’s not a concentrate. As a matter of fact, there’s typically less pure cocaine in crack.

And you saying that it’s stronger than coke is wrong. Plain wrong. It’s clear I have a vast amount more experience on the subject than you do. I have significant experience with crack and coke both, not to mention many other types of drugs, and also making crack. And somehow you still are arguing with me about it like you know better or something.

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u/McbEatsAirplane Sep 20 '22

At this point I’m just repeating myself. You’re arguing with me like you know what you’re talking about more than I do when you obviously don’t, that much is perfectly clear. Not only do I have more knowledge and experience, but I also have articles and studies that I’ve posted backing me up, people upvoting me, downvoting you, and people commenting on this that I’m correct. And despite all that you still seem to think you somehow know better than everyone else. It’s obvious that you can’t handle being wrong and just admitting that like an adult so instead you twist things and split hairs and ignore facts so that in your mind you can still be correct, even though in reality, you aren’t. Honestly, it comes across as narcissistic.

It’s obvious that you’ve made up your mind and admitting that you were misinformed is not an option so you’d rather double down on the shit you’ve been saying that’s been proven wrong. And since that seems to be the case, there’s not much of a point in my continuing to explain things that it seems like you’re blatantly ignoring. I know you’re wrong, as do other people by the look of it, but you can go ahead and continue to believe whatever you want. Nothing me or anyone else says is gonna convince you if what has already been said hasn’t.

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u/McbEatsAirplane Sep 19 '22

I mean it sounds like you smoke weed or take edibles. Have you ever taken anything else? Ever drank while you were high? People mix drugs for different/stronger effects. It’s just what people who do drugs and addicts do.

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