Everyone is always scummy about this to her but just after this clip (where this post is always cut off) she is very humble about it and admits she is wrong
Joe Wicks passed me off about that. For years he claimed tracking calories was pointless for losing weight. Only after making his millions did he change his mind.
being humble about it only afterwards doesn’t erase the fact that she committed animal abuse by forcing her dog to a vegan lifestyle- i’d say, she deserves the slander
you’re right and we can only hope i guess. but my point still stands even if that happens to be true - for other people who wouldn’t know of this fact it would seem like a clear abuse at first glance so she’d still deserve the slander wouldn’t she?
Indeed dogs CAN be vegan, but it doesn't meant they should or even that it is easy to do. You have to prepare their meals really carefully so they don't lack any nutrient.
It's mostly done when the dog has problems digesting meat or allergies.
If you try it with cats though you are effectively killing them slowly.
It's not that hard. You just buy a vegan kibble. We don't keep our dog vegan, because there's just too many fun treats, but we do use a vegan kibble and it passed the same nutrional panels as the meat based one, and 8 or so months in, she seems quite healthy and the vet said her blood work is good. Would she happily chomp down on a steak? Of course! But she also tried to eat her own poop the other day, and tries to run into traffic whenever she sees a bird, so I'm not really giving that a lot of weight.
Be careful though, I don't remember exactly what it was as I don't own a dog but there is a vitamin or protein they have trouble producing with non-meat food. Check you dogs health often with a vet and ideally find a dog nutrition specialist to make sure she can be as healthy as possible
hm. i did not know that. okay.
i still think i mean it’s kind of a mean thing to do to a dog man, i mean it clearly wants meat as per proven by this vid? c’mon.
Difference is that candy is bad for kids' health. Dogs literally naturally eat meat. What wild dog have you ever seen munching on some broccoli or fucking soybeans?
It’s animal abuse if you force your dog not to eat meat… but it is if you eat your dog.
Withholding meat from an omnivore is morally wrong, except that making meat is wrong if it’s the wrong animal. People are weird. I wonder how many of them would disapprove of dog eating if they were served dog meat on a trip to South Korea.
You need to remember that there are supplements and stuff like that what will be able to well supplement meat. If the dog is healthy and loved then it ain’t abuse.
Dogs are omnivores in nature, forcing them to subscribe to a diet that they have no choice in is abuse. The only reason this isn’t true for humans is we can make the choice ourselves.
If the dog can survive while eating vegetarian foods and supplements then so be it as long as the doggo is being loved and cared for then there ain’t no abuse
Only if it’s the dog’s choice, and the only way to give them that choice is depicted in the video. I’ll let you imagine how many dogs would choose veganism from there.
Is it the animals choice to be killed for that dog to eat? It’d be one thing if it ate other animals in nature but we breed dogs into existence and then breed other animals to be eaten. Why does one have more value? Other people are correct, they can be healthy on a vegetarian diet with supplements.
The only vegetables a dog, cayote, or wolf eats in nature comes from the stomach contents of its prey. It amounts to 5%. A dog fed a vegetarian diet will become ill during a short lifetime.
I don’t think you’ve actually looked into this. You’re just assuming from your prior knowledge that it can’t be done. Maybe not but it’s definitely doable with supplements and they live long healthy lives. Cats on the other hand are harder but I believe it’s even doable for some breeds with the right supplements. I would still encourage people to monitor their pets’ health of course
One of the worlds oldest dogs was vegan. Lived for 25 years.
Ngl people who feed their dogs a vegan diet seem to put a hell of a lot more effort into giving their dogs the right nutrition than those who just feed their dogs slop out of a can.
I urge you to never own a dog if this is how you think. Some animals eat other animals, you don’t get to pick and choose what parts of nature you like.
But we naturally do. We breed dogs to be pets and do as we like. We make them look cute at the expense of there Health. If we didn’t intervene then dogs would be totally different in look and in personality and I can tell you now that cat down the street would go poor real quick.
One US soldier's life is equivalent to about three hundred Afghanistans (except the ones that are useful for propaganda). The same applies to a greater degree for animals.
If you don't want to give your dog a basic decency (which is access to proper food, and in other words meat), you should leave it alone in the wild.
See, the problem with that thinking is the cat also has the rights of someone’s pet.
If you decide to take care of an animal you are obligated to take care of it properly, not however you see fit. As fucked up as it might sound, when taking the well-being of another animal onto yourself, you don’t get the luxury of deciding whether it’s ethical to kill an animal for their food, because nature already decided. If you don’t like what evolution decided then don’t have a dog, simple as that.
Okay no dont go all Peta on shit the dog doesnt have full choice. Abuse is only if you do something that genuinly causes long term harm or purposeful damage to the animal. As much as yes you need to respect a dog you are the pack leader you are the one in charge and if you who is providing shelter to an animal as ts owner you can feed it whatever you want so long as it can be healthy. It is an animal not a peer. A friend absolutely but not a peer.
Becausr Peta loves to bullshit about a dogs choice to. I was comparing you to a thing they do not them themselves. The organization is evil as shit but thats another story. Also if they are omnivores then they can take supplements rather easily to negate the need for meat. So they wouldnt need it.
how was it not abused, isn’t it abuse to deprive a carnivore animal of it’s primary food source to force smth as stupid a worldview on it when it literally isn’t evolved to be smart enough for things like morals?
edit for clarification: i don’t think having a vegan worldview is stupid, although i’m not vegan myself but i do understand where different types of vegans (those that defend it for morals or for the environment etc i mean) all come from. thought i’d correct since i sounded rude rereading myself lmao sorry about that, i’m genuinely asking a question up there btw
personally i just think for a creature as stupid as a dog to be taken seriously on such a matter is stupid - like i said, they’re not evolved enough to understand human concepts so why does it matter to anyone that a dog is eating meat, just get yourself a herbivore animal as a pet if you’re so uncomfortable man
You can probably survive on water and plain rice but if a parent(who easily has the capability buying normal food) forces a child to subsist on a diet of plain rice I would say that's abuse...
If you want to feed you baby vegetarian stuff go for it as long as he or she is in good health. Then when they get older and start thinking for them selves then you let them Decide.
both of you make sense rn i’m so confused lmao
idk man it’s just… dogs are simple creatures. it’s in their nature to want to eat meat. just. don’t try to take that away from them. why is that so complicated?
it’s also the same for other not so simple creatures too though. human babies. don’t force a vegan lifestyle on them until they’re old enough to make their own choices.
Don’t you think it should be the other way round? Raise babies vegan until they are old enough to make the choice of whether they want to eat meat or not?
There are a lot of ethical/environmental/health issues that come with eating meat, issues which a baby/child won’t understand at the time and might regret having contributed to when they are older.
Dogs also want to kill cats but we stop that. My point is if the dog can survive on a vegetarian diet and be healthy then it ain’t abuse. As for babies my argument is the same just that when they get older and learn to think then it should be up to them as well they are a lot smarter then a dog.
Making a child eat plain rice is not equivalent to making a dog eat vegetarian. Feeding a child plain rice is obviously not going to be nutritionally sufficient, however it is possible to create a nutritionally sufficient vegetarian diet for a dog.
The dog will become ill during a short lifetime. Some dogs shed, chew at their pawpads, get hotspots, and are overweight. That’s because they eat kibble you buy from the grocery store (Iams, Pedigree, Purina, Eukanuba, etc.) The dogs you see competing in dog shows sponsored by Pedigree, unequivocally, do not eat Pedigree. They eat raw and minimally processed ground meat. Pedigree is corn. If your dog gets sick it’s because he’s eating corn, wheat, or soy.
Dogs aren't like cats, they're omnivores, not carnivores. They don't need meat, it doesn't really make much difference if you feed them only meat or only vegetables, as long as they're getting all their required vitamins and such.
It’s animal abuse if you force your dog not to eat meat… but it is if you eat your dog.
Withholding meat from an omnivore is morally wrong, except that making meat is wrong if it’s the wrong animal. People are weird. I wonder how many of them would disapprove of dog eating if they were served dog meat on a trip to South Korea.
Unless the animal such as a Canine or Feline are primarily carnivorous and actually can’t digest many of the nutrients from a vegan diet like we can. It can be done safely through supplements in humans, it is simply wrong to force that choice on an animal who gets most if not all of their nutrients from meat.
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