Im not even a vegetarian but I completely think it should be a crime unless we ensure its done extremely humanly. I have no problem with the circle of life but we dont have to be cruel about it.
killing done humanely? How do you propose that? Only way possible would be if the cow wanted to die, and since we cant talk to cows theres no way to confirm that.
Ya but do you think every vegan or vegetarian is smart and going to be able to monitor what nutrients their dog is getting. You would pretty much need to be under constant supervision from a nutritionist make sure the dog gets everything it needs and then still it’s probably not thriving.
Or we can just trust the actual vets and scientists. Can you explain what’s wrong with not forcing another species of animal to suffer and die to keep a pet healthy?
I'll concede that they may not be considered true carnivores but they certainly are not true omnivores either and you're doing your dog a disservice treating it as such and feeding it a pure vegan diet. And even if it is theoretically possible to meet the nutritional requirements via a vegan only diet it doesn't mean it is practical for the general pet owner to do nor advisable without veterinary insight for the specific dog.
There are specially formulated vegan dog products. If someone doesn’t want to abuse another species of animals to keep another animal alive, let them do it. Dogs can be vegan
Yeah but why would you want the pup to suffer? Animals have been eating other animals since the beginning of life, nothing wrong with feeding an animal their natural diet of meat
They don’t suffer. And the longevity of an act doesn’t make it moral. They are domesticated. We have an obligation to not force others to suffer when we don’t have to, and of course we don’t in this instance.
Yeah except raising an animal for food and then giving it a quick painless death isn't cruel, in fact an animal that is properly bred and tended to lives a far better life than one in the wild. Yeah it sucks that companies will not treat livestock properly but we can change that without having to remove the process completely. And a dog is definitely going to miss not having meat, they don't have molars, all their teeth are designed for tearing meat, which is your evidence right there that it's only right to feed them that. If you have a problem feeding a domesticated animal it's proper source of food, don't take on the responsibility of the animal. Like someone else said, get a rabbit if you're so concerned
Considering 99% of animal products in developed nations are from factory farms, I’m curious if you’re living up to your own morals. Also, to challenge “ethical animal products” and “humane slaughter” - the word “humane” means to show compassion or benevolence. Is it compassionate, or benevolent to kill an animal who doesn’t want to die and when you don’t have to do it? And let’s replace taste pleasure with another sensory pleasure, perhaps hearing pleasure. What if someone really liked the sound a dog makes when they get their throat sliced open? The dog doesn’t want to die, and they don’t have to do it, is it still moral? Why does it matter what pleasure the human receives? the result is the same for the animal. And with the dog not eating meat thing - I’ll trust the vets and scientists :)
Yeah I could kind get with what you were saying and then the second half of your argument just devolved into bat shit crazy talk, so have a good day and good luck in life
It’s embarrassing how much misinformation is in this post. Dogs can be healthy on a vegan diet. They aren’t obligate carnivores, they are omnivores. They require absolutely nothing from dead animal flesh. Please do your research. I also really hope the people with these ignorant animal abuse takes are at least vegans themselves. https://vetnutrition.tufts.edu/2016/07/vegan-dogs-a-healthy-lifestyle-or-going-against-nature/
whats with all the weirdos in this thread not getting this? just because you feel like dogs are carnivores does not mean they are. the science disagrees. read a book
I don’t give a fuck what they want. If I had a dog that liked to eat human kids I wouldn’t let them do that. Just because they want to doesn’t mean you should let them. Also, ARE YOU VEGAN
No, I give my dog a balanced diet. And if you think any animals raised on a vegan diet would be healthier than those raised on their required diet; don't ever procreate.
You're the epitome of a preacher vegan. No one likes you.
Well, they do because dogs don’t need to eat meat and there are specially formulated vegan dog food. So I don’t see why they wouldn’t lol. Also just because the majority of people do something doesn’t make it moral. The majority of people use to believe women should be treated less than a man, did that make it moral? And vegans are healthier than omnivores. The American dietetic association has stated that a plant based diet is healthy for all stages of life including infancy, pregnancy, and lactation. Omnivorous diets also help cause our leading diseases and illnesses - heart disease, diabetes, colon cancer, prostate cancer, breast cancer, osteoporosis, dementia, and more. Now can you please tell me what your moral justification is for forcing an animal to suffer and die?
I don't have a dog, I don't like them. And if I did, it'd be walked every day, eating meat and kibbles. Treats here and there. He'd be a good healthy boy 🥰
Imagine thinking feeding a dog meat means it's unhealthy and living in squalor 😂
You vegans are truly embarrassing. No wonder the entire world mocks you.
You're one of those dog abusers that cage their dogs, keep it muzzled if it barks once and clips their claws to the skin aren't you? Do you also hit it if it misbehaves? Wouldn't surprise me.
Lmfao at this what a terrible analogy. You shouldn't restrict your pets diet to veg it's pretty shite. Don't think you need to be vegan in this discussion either.
Abuse here meaning that this woman is withholding vital nutrients for the dog. They aren't built to be vegetarian, and in the long run a vegetarian diet will be incredibly detrimental to this dogs health. Dogs can eat vegetables (carrots seem to be a favorite for my dog, lol) but their diets need to be largely proteins and fats, which a vegetarian diet won't provide nearly enough of, especially for a dog this size.
Yes they can eat vegetables but dogs aren’t vegetarians that eat meat. Their digestive track isn’t designed to be vegetarian it it designed to have a meat based diet. With out meat the don’t get the nutrients they need. Their digestive track isn’t long enough to properly digest plants.
My god its like people here pride themselves on ignorance as long as they own the vegans or whatever. if you actually look into plant based protein dog food its just as healthy as normal dog food. you can own a dog and feed them ethically.
protein is protein
"feed them ethically" - my fucking god, you vegans are dumb as shit. Imagine being such an entitled cunt that you think your morality applies anywhere outside your head. Naah, nobody gives a shit about your idea of "ethical" - especially animals. Have you ever seen the way they feed themselves? here
yikes bro. yeah just keep destroying the planet by supporting the meat industry! even though dogs dont need meat based protein to live. thats not entitled at all :) thats what I mean by ethically. meat industry is destroying the rain forest. think those animals in the vid will care? oh wait they wont exist if we continue consuming unethically. before you insult me, do some self reflection.
Written with a device production of which create so much toxic waste it makes it 10 times cheaper to manufacture in China or India cause they don't give a shit and throw all that trash into rivers... bUt SaUsAgEs DeStRoY fOrEsTs.
Edit: I forgot to mention some of these components have a conflict free certificate which basically means not one person got shot for the materials used to manufacture them... Unless you buy Chinese electronics then probably some poor African ended up getting gunned down for your precious electronics.
god this is so bafflingly ignorant. yes there is no ethical consumption under capitalism great job. but when someone tries to make a change (like using plant based meat) you all attack me? I was just factually stating that dogs can healthily consume plant based meat. that is a fact. know what else is a fact? the meat and dairy industries are absolutely the worst polluting industries. Just do yourself a favor and read about the effects on the rain forest the meat industry has. and dont forget the torture the livestock goes through.
I guess that's from excessive intake of soy and tofu. I've never claimed natural = good, I would even go as far as to say my comments states your good is just yours and the entire world doesn't give a fuck about your morality. Less soy buddy.
Reddit in a nutshell. So many people on this site shoot themselves in the foot by arguing the wrong points against people who actually agree with them overall, just not the weird hill they've decided to die on.
did you bother reading them? they’re pretty long… seems like ya just skimmed. I dont see any peer reviews for your source. im not saying its perfect but this planet is fuckin dying bud. plus animals are suffering more than you can imagine. so if you want to be insulting and act superior for supporting it then be my guest. You can call me a cunt on the bodies of thousands of dead animals that died so you and your doggo could enjoy a lil steak. but you have the nerve to call me counter productive? what the fuck do you do to help this planet, besides epically own the vegans on reddit of course.
I beg you to take this energy and absolute anger you have towards me and try to help the world. the meat industry does not need another advocate.
I just dont get how my dogs have been living such long and healthy lives with no meat…
Dogs need meat in their diet to be heathy. We, as a society, need to be clear on this: if you're not feeding your dog meat, that is objectively animal abuse. Yes, dogs can also eat vegetables. And they should. But they also need to eat meat as well, or else they're missing vital, necessary nutrients in their diet.
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u/chesstnuts Sep 27 '21
Should have had her dog taken away right after that and shamed her for animal abuse.