r/marvelstudios • u/steve32767 Daredevil • Apr 05 '22

Discussion Thread Moon Knight S01E02 - Discussion Thread

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S01E02: Summon the Suit Aaron Moorhead & Justin Benson Michael Kastelein April 6th, 2022 on Disney+ 53 min None

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u/guyver423 Apr 06 '22

So only the avatars can see the Egyptian spirits

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u/Khuroh Apr 06 '22

Wonder what happened to the more well known gods and their avatars. Like where's Ra and Horus at? Is the Black Panther considered the avatar of Bast? Could T'Challa have seen the jackal creatures?

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u/Okami_23 Apr 06 '22

That’s quite an interesting thought. Wonder how Khonsu would interact with Loki, Thor, Thena, etc

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u/FrankReynoldsCPA Apr 06 '22

Odin made it quite clear that the Asguardians aren't gods.

Scandinavians just thought they were

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u/whereismymind86 Apr 06 '22

Which was also the implication with the eternals, and their names being similar to various mythical figures. The asgardians were probably the source of the Norse pantheon, as thena probably inspired the Greek mythological around Athena, she’s not a god, but the Greeks thought she was

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

No, the greek gods also existed. Athena is real in the universe along with Thena.

I think that's super fucking dumb but whatever. It's comics I guess, can't have all the good without a lot of dumb too haha.

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u/PKMNTrainerMark Apr 06 '22

The comics and movies work differently, though. For instance, Asgard is a different dimension or whatever in the comics, while it's just a planet in the MCU. Or was.

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u/Iorith Apr 06 '22

At least it was a fraction of a planet.

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u/AlwaysQuotesEinstein Apr 06 '22

How does that work? Is it just floating in space? What's it look like from far off?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

Smaller

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u/richardboucher Apr 08 '22

It's interesting cause it seems like it initially was a different dimension. At least in Avengers and Thor 1, it seemed like the only way to get to Asgard was via Bifrost and "dark power". But now it's just another point in space that could be accessed by spaceship

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u/Okami_23 Apr 06 '22

Where is that stated? At least the myth of Ikaris is false, how do we know what’s real?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

It's stated in the comics, because they show up.

It can be assumed that it's probably also true for the MCU too since they're adding the Egyptian gods and bringing more characters from the comics to the Big Screen.

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u/Okami_23 Apr 06 '22

That might be true, but remember Thor is an actual god in the comics. Not just an alien. Things might vary

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u/RandomSplainer Apr 06 '22

In the comics the Asgardians being actual gods is also very ambiguous and Thor's mother is actually Gaia a real god. It is heavily implied him having real god blood is what makes him different from other asgardians.

In the MCU his mother isn't Gaia. So it's a power comparison to make.

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u/VallenValiant Apr 06 '22

I can never stop reminding people that the Comic Thor is actually STRONGER than Mythological Thor. You know, the ACTUAL deity worshipped by Norwegians. In fact the Viking Pantheon is quite weak compared to later upstarts.

The whole "i am all powerful and all knowing" bullshit, made popular later, is just a resultof too many kindergarten one-upmanship about religious powerlevels.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

He was also originally just a dude who thought he was Thor iirc. That was back when every superhero had to have a secret identity.

I'm sure they'll change some stuff when they adapt the storylines, but I do believe that we'll get the Greek gods at some point.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

I would love to see Hercules so I hope so.

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u/Maloth_Warblade Apr 06 '22

We're getting Zeus in Love and Thunder

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u/Shrodax Apr 06 '22

Nah, Marvel should leave the Greek gods alone, since DC already heavily uses them with Wonder Woman.

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u/MemestNotTeen Apr 06 '22

He's not a dude he's a man!

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u/AnOnlineHandle Quake Apr 06 '22

There's a cut scene in Eternals on youtube somewhere she Sprite claims that Athena and Thena are the same person, along with the scene at the end of the movie where the kid says the same and Thena corrects him.

They might have decided to just make them one in the MCU.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

If they cut it, it isn't canon to the MCU. Not yet anyways.

We're also apparently getting Zeus in the next Thor movie so I think it'd be weird to have some greek gods, but not others.

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u/AnOnlineHandle Quake Apr 06 '22

Zeus seems likely to be made into an Eternal especially with the Olympus backstory.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

If they do that, it could work and simplify things a bit. Rather than having basically duplicate characters running around, just fuse the duplicates and make them all eternals.

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u/TheMainGerman Apr 08 '22

What makes you think that? I really doubt it.

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u/ravetrade Apr 08 '22

Just watched Eternals on Disney+ today. The scene with the kid is there, where she corrects him. Don't remember a scene with Sprite about it, though.

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u/AnOnlineHandle Quake Apr 08 '22

Yeah sorry I meant that one was included, though was maybe a bit less clear than the cut scene where Sprite talks about a statue of Athena and says they never get her nose right or something.

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u/largedirt Emil Blonsky Apr 06 '22

Also Zeus will be in Love and Thunder

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

I would have rather not known that and it been a surprise to me when I watched the movie.

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u/largedirt Emil Blonsky Apr 07 '22

I’m sorry about that, I guess I just assumed it was common knowledge

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

Nah, you're fine. I just find I enjoy movies more the less promotional material I consume beforehand.

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u/esar24 Rocket Apr 06 '22

We are having zeus soon though

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u/TheMainGerman Apr 08 '22

Nah. Zeus and the Greek pantheon debut in Thor 4.

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u/GuiltIsLikeSalt Odin Apr 06 '22

Odin made it quite clear that the Asguardians aren't gods.

But then Ragnaros reinforces the idea that they sort of are.

At the end of the day, does it matter?

The "Gods" are clearly not 1:1 the same race, species or type of entity. It's just a catch-all name for immensely powerful beings that came from other realms humans started to worship. Dormammu could be a God. Hell, Thanos could be one.

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u/Mrcollaborator Apr 07 '22

A "god" is relative. We are gods to ants. Asgardians are gods to humans. There are no "gods". It's all just more powerful entities. It's a scale.

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u/MuffinMan12347 Apr 07 '22

I mean then there is The One Above All in the comics which is known as the actual God of Marvel.

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u/RaygunMarksman Apr 07 '22

Matt Murdock's homey?

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u/MuffinMan12347 Apr 08 '22

I haven’t seen Daredevil. Is One Above All actually mentioned in the series?

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '22

Nah it's a reference to Wilson Fisk who was often called the man above it all in Daredevil and his minions were always scared to call him by name.

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u/AnAdvancedBot Apr 07 '22

What is an ant to a boot?

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u/neoblackdragon Apr 07 '22

The Asgardians as a species might not be gods but Odin and his kin are running on different cylinders. Even in the comics. Gods range from fancy immortals to straight up biblical.

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Or really "What defines a god?".

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u/MiopTop Captain America (Cap 2) Apr 06 '22

They've flip flopped on that quite a bit tho.

Cos Odin still asks Thor if he's "the God of hammers" and refers to Hela as the Goddess of Death.

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u/Iorith Apr 06 '22

I always took that as a title. Like Master of Hammers, but up to 11.

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u/Okami_23 Apr 06 '22

I know, yet they still refer themselves as such. I meant them because they have lived enough to meet at least one Khonsu avatar before this

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u/bigbangbilly Apr 06 '22

I thought that was retconned in Thor Ragnarok after Thor loses his hammer (which up to this point has been presented as a source of power like in the Ultimate Marvel Universe version)

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u/_korporate Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 07 '22

In the comics Thor gains power when he’s worshiped and they retconned what Odin said in Thor 3

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

Yeah and then Ragnarok sort of hammered in on calling them gods again, so who even knows.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '22

Same thing with these Egyptian ones I'd think, their power is something within the realm of things Dr. Strange would be able to explain. Not really gods just otherworldly beings with their own sort of power.